Rental rates for my HV20? :)

[Nik Manning]

In the spirit of the how much would you rent your RED camera for here goes how much would you rent a HV20 package for.
HV20
tripod
external shotgun mic
Total cost maybe $1500

DVX rental prices
http://www.zacuto.com/dvx100a.htm - $175 per day
Birns and Sawyer - $300 per day (http://www.birnsandsawyer.com/cgibin/BIRstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=PANADVX100A)

Obviously the picture quality is better than a DVX100. As some of the RED folks say you should price it on value so what should it rent for? I would say $100 a day? That sounds good to me. :) More or less what do you think?

How about $300 per day including me?

I know what you are saying who would rent a camera that costs $1000 to shoot a movie. What you are forgetting is that this can be a B camera to a Canon A1 or Xl H1 shoot. If 1 week out of your production you need a B cam this will only cost you $300 bucks.

[Desert Rune]

$70 tops.

[Bruce Allen]

$70 tops.

Wait till you see my HV20 rig ;)

I do agree, though - for example, some people mentioned $500 / day as a baseline for the Red ($1000 / day for a "real" camera package...). So, that's roughly 1/40th of the price.

Now, 1/40th of $1500 equals... $37.50!

So $70 seems high, even.

Separate the gear from yourself - people are paying $37.50 for the camera rental, $262.50 for YOU per day.

Quite frankly I prefer the thought of being paid for my skills rather than my equipment ;) Although producers don't always see things that way...

By the way, I think you're missing a few gizmos (preamp for shotgun mic, etc)...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Brad Hawkins]

I think the real benefit of a camera like the HV20 is what you can do with it when you add a RedrockMicro or similar 35mm adapter system and a couple of SLR lenses.

Otherwise, I think it is tough to put a real price on renting out your package. You're kind of in 'no man's land', in between those who have a fully decked out setup and those who offer just a camera.

Then again, if you find the right price there are always people shooting and maybe you can make back some of your investment!

[John Godden]

In the spirit of the how much would you rent your RED camera for here goes how much would you rent a HV20 package for.
HV20
tripod
external shotgun mic
Total cost maybe $1500

DVX rental prices
http://www.zacuto.com/dvx100a.htm - $175 per day
Birns and Sawyer - $300 per day (http://www.birnsandsawyer.com/cgibin/BIRstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=PANADVX100A)

Obviously the picture quality is better than a DVX100. As some of the RED folks say you should price it on value so what should it rent for? I would say $100 a day? That sounds good to me. :) More or less what do you think?

How about $300 per day including me?

I know what you are saying who would rent a camera that costs $1000 to shoot a movie. What you are forgetting is that this can be a B camera to a Canon A1 or Xl H1 shoot. If 1 week out of your production you need a B cam this will only cost you $300 bucks.

Is this a joke?

[kmikami]

Obviously the picture quality is better than a DVX100. As some of the RED folks say you should price it on value so what should it rent for? I would say $100 a day? That sounds good to me. :) More or less what do you think?

You're crazy. The HV20 is the same resolution as an f900 and it's smaller and lighter. Plus a lens and microphone are included! Your HV20 should rent for at least $1000 a day. Since that's the cost of the f900 body alone you're still saving the production money right?

[Nik Manning]

I agree with you folks but what about as a B cam or hdv deck? If an indie project shoots with a A1 then they can get this as a B cam for $100 or rent an A1 for maybe $300. Actually doesn't sound to bad $300 for 1 week rental. :)

[Desert Rune]

At $1000 for the HV20, it's better for someone to own it outright and absorb the taxes since it is so readily available. Then they can resell it at any time. This would be cheaper than renting. Renting only makes sense if the camera has to be insured and hard to find.

I'm assuming they own a separate shotgun and tripod, who doesn't?

[Nik Manning]

At $1000 for the HV20, it's better for someone to own it outright and absorb the taxes since it is so readily available. Then they can resell it at any time. This would be cheaper than renting. Renting only makes sense if the camera has to be insured and hard to find.

I'm assuming they own a separate shotgun and tripod, who doesn't?

True very true. I just figured if someone needed a B cam for a shoot one day this could be it. Rent it for a week and they can ingest with it instead of their hdv cam.

I will just have to have a killer sales pitch I guess. :) Thanks all if you need a B cam for your RED I got you.

[Charles Angus]

Maybe I'm just a knob, but I helped out on a shoot the other day. The scene was being shot on an HV20 (other scenes were film, SD, etc.). Neither I nor the DP could find out how to put the camera in a full manual mode exposure mode (ie, set gain, aperture separately).

If this is not possible, then how could this really be used in any kind of real production environment? I think it would be a hard sell renting the camera for more than $50 a day, plus op fee (dependent on skill and reputation).