New Video of "Crossing"...

[Jannard]

Since there was so much drama over posting a 1K frame grab instead of 4K, I decided that we wouldn't post the new 1K trailer from Peter Jackson's "Crossing the Line" today. We had planned to, but I can see clearly that we should wait until we can figure out how to post the real 2K (2GB) Pro-res file. We probably can figure out how to do that in a week or so. I know you won't mind waiting.

Jim

[Martin Jäger]

that's gonna be a nice candy to kill my waiting-time :)

[HD Hildebrand]

Forget the drama queens - let's see it!

Appreciate all the posting to date though - sincerely.

[Emanuel A.]

Thanks Jim! Welcome indeed. You must shut out ALL fears, doubts and so on...


Forget the drama queens - let's see it!

Appreciate all the posting to date though - sincerely.

The RED company's success will be ours not just their success.

<PS> However, the 1K version could be a bonus for us your believers... :)

[readyandaction]

is no problem there jim. looking forward to the 2k versoin when ready.

[JustinGD]

haha, "figure it out" I don't believe it. I think you could send Peter Jackson to my house with a projector if you wanted to. But this is much more dramatic, I can't wait. Thanks Jim.

[Brook Willard]

Sweet! I should finally be able to post here from my computer again by then! :)

[Jarred Land]

Too bad.... this 1k version looks sooooo good.

[Emanuel A.]

Too bad.... this 1k version looks sooooo good.
Jarred, shut up and don't tease us anymore... :)




<PS> However, the 1K version could be a bonus for us your believers... :)FOR THOSE LIKE MYSELF WHO HAVE NO YET A FAST PC (hey I said PC not Mac :)) WE BEG YOUR COURTESY ON A 1K VERSION. Thanks.

[Adam Jeal]

Hi Jim,

I think I might have a solution. Using this plug-in, you can share massive files over the internet using p2p. It works with FireFox on Mac or PC and the more people you share a file with, the faster it gets. Oh, and it's free!:)

http://allpeers.com/

[Evan Owen]

Since there was so much drama over posting a 1K frame grab instead of 4K, I decided that we wouldn't post the new 1K trailer from Peter Jackson's "Crossing the Line" today. We had planned to, but I can see clearly that we should wait until we can figure out how to post the real 2K (2GB) Pro-res file. We probably can figure out how to do that in a week or so. I know you won't mind waiting.

Jim

Very wise. Looking forward to seeing it. :biggrin:

[Joe Aurili]

Too bad.... this 1k version looks sooooo good.

Just "sooooo good", not "off the fricking charts" ??? :)

[Scott Webster]

Is that the original grade or the new Park Road Secret Sauce formula?

[Obin Olson]

pleeeeeease post the 1k thanks

[Emanuel A.]

You see Jim & Jarred, we all beg you! Thanks Obin!

[Álex Montoya]

Nah... c'mon now... the 1K will entertain us until the 2k comes

[Jarred Land]

pleeeeeease post the 1k thanks

ok.

http://24puser.com/Crossing1k.mov

[Evan Owen]

ok.

http://24puser.com/Crossing1k.mov

Haha! I guess that's one way to minimize bandwidth... fake everyone into thinking you're not going to release it yet. :usd:

Thanks, Jarred.

Downloading... :matrix:

[CJ Roy]

Wow, I really don't know how to take this. Customers are being punished for requesting a higher than 1k image/footage from a 4k camera that they've ordered, when those cameras are being used to shoot high-budget films right now?

This is a spiteful response to reasonable requests. There's no reason for this.

Thanks.
-CJ

[EDIT] I take it back. Thanks for posting the file.

[Jarred Land]

i hope my little buddies are firing up the mirrors.. my bandwidth is gonna run out pretty quick.

[Cory Schulthies]

Thank you, I have been waiting so long, and I was almost regretting not blowing off studying for final exams to go to nab.

[Morning Glory]

CJ, what are you talking about, they gave us what we wanted! They just like to tease it out of us, make sure we're still dedicated.

[Kyle Presley]

Thanks Jarred! Downloading now!

[Emanuel A.]

ok.

http://24puser.com/Crossing1k.movThanks pal. Actually, I already had a poll thread in order to ask it, now outdated. You two are good friends!

[CJ Roy]

CJ, what are you talking about, they gave us what we wanted! They just like to tease it out of us, make sure we're still dedicated.

I edited my post and thanked them for posting the file. When I first posted, the file hadn't been made public. I don't understand the teasing, though. Obviously we're still in it if we haven't cancelled our order, right? I just don't see a need for the drama, it is a 4k camera after all.

[CVB]

i hope my little buddies are firing up the mirrors.. my bandwidth is gonna run out pretty quick.

As soon as I have it I'll throw it up on our server too. BTW, I've seen it three times on the big screen ;)

[Morning Glory]

oh yeah, that's the stuff.


I really love the look of the soldier, who sees the tank, probably first time he's ever seen a tank, a new technology in WW I that totally changed the rules, and yea, makes me think of the look on more contemporary faces as new technology is about to be released that will, as said many times before, totally change the rules.


heh.

[Morning Glory]

I edited my post and thanked them for posting the file. When I first posted, the file hadn't been made public. I don't understand the teasing, though. Obviously we're still in it if we haven't cancelled our order, right? I just don't see a need for the drama, it is a 4k camera after all.

well, where would this industry be without the drama?:wink:

I do look forward to the 4K kind though quite a bit, seems like you and me will have some sychronous drama unfolding, being so close in #s

[Emanuel A.]

As soon as I have it I'll throw it up on our server too. BTW, I've seen it three times on the big screen ;)And at last, now I am far away for just 4 minutes in order to watch it too! Good move. The RED #111 & #647 appreciate.

[Jarred Land]

I edited my post and thanked them for posting the file. When I first posted, the file hadn't been made public. I don't understand the teasing, though. Obviously we're still in it if we haven't cancelled our order, right? I just don't see a need for the drama, it is a 4k camera after all.

party pooper.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

hahaha

[CJ Roy]

well, where would this industry be without the drama?:wink:

Further evolved, more efficient, ethical and not infamous for being full of children? ;)

[Morning Glory]

I edited my post and thanked them for posting the file. When I first posted, the file hadn't been made public. I don't understand the teasing, though. Obviously we're still in it if we haven't cancelled our order, right? I just don't see a need for the drama, it is a 4k camera after all.


party pooper.


hee hee!


BTW, thanks for the clip, Jarred!

And Jim, thanks for the drama!

[Emmanuel Cambier]

party pooper.

What a wimp…:tongue:

[Jarred Land]

Further evolved, more efficient, ethical and not infamous for being full of children? ;)

sounds like a not very fun place to be.

[albert rudnicki]

Love, love, where is the love ?

[Fix]

Thx a bunch for the file :). Cant wait to see it. After running around shooting people in kayak, its time for some war shoots from the RED cam. Is this one only cut or further graded as well?

[Daniel Gourley]

Be-a-utiful!

[Kyle Presley]

Jackson is mad! That was awesome. It looks fantastic. I had some trouble with playback. It got the jitters right when it picks up. Anyone else?

[Jim Arthurs]

I just don't see a need for the drama, it is a 4k camera after all.

Get used to it, it's just an odd form of marketing, I guess... this is the fifth or so "Punishment and Reward" cycle we've been through over misc footage and stills in a year.

Goes like this...

1.) RED publishes something, anything.
2.) People scream "Thank you! Thank you!".
3.) Minutes later, people complain, "Hey, why isn't it....?".
4.) RED answers back, "We're busy enough as is, guess we'll just go dark".
5.) People reply, "No!!! We're sorry! Damn you others who wanted more!!!!".
6.) RED, "ah, we love you, here you go, more stuff!".

Wash, rinse and repeat every few months.

I've started doing something similar as a behavior training program with my dog.

Works wonders on him.

[Joe Aurili]

That looks amazing! The sharp wide shots blow me away.

[Fix]

yust watched it. Im yust curious... why dident you guys post this footage earlier? It looks extremly good! Above my expectation. Im almost speechless.

[Emanuel A.]

sounds like a not very fun place to be.LOL...

[Emanuel A.]

Get used to it, it's just an odd form of marketing, I guess... this is the fifth or so "Punishment and Reward" cycle we've been through over misc footage and stills in a year.

Goes like this...

1.) RED publishes something, anything.
2.) People scream "Thank you! Thank you!".
3.) Minutes later, people complain, "Hey, why isn't it....?".
4.) RED answers back, "We're busy enough as is, guess we'll just go dark".
5.) People reply, "No!!! We're sorry! Damn you others who wanted more!!!!".
6.) RED, "ah, we love you, here you go, more stuff!".

Wash, rinse and repeat every few months.

I've started doing something similar as a behavior training program with my dog.

Works wonders on him.LOL (Part II)

[Jarred Land]

You just won post of the week Arthurs..

[Craig Schober]

so sharp. i like that. from that kind of sharpness you can go in any direction or just keep that native surreal look.

my only complaint is frame 35.79 (biplane before takeoff). there's a single frame dip in luma. is that a post/quicktime problem, boris/natascha problem or am i the only one seeing it making my quad g5 the problem?

[Daniel Gourley]

so sharp. i like that. from that kind of sharpness you can go in any direction or just keep that native surreal look.

my only complaint is frame 35.79 (biplane before takeoff). there's a single frame dip in luma. is that a post/quicktime problem, boris/natascha problem or am i the only one seeing it making my quad g5 the problem?

Saw this as well. Thout it was a QT thing in the compression????

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Thanks for posting the full version of "crossing"! I finally get to see it (yaaay). I will put up a mirror shortly to help ease the bandwidth load.

Edit> guess I got too excited, not the full thing... Anyway, now I just want to see the full short even more. This looked awesome, even @ 1K for web delivery.

[I Bloom]

Get used to it, it's just an odd form of marketing, I guess... this is the fifth or so "Punishment and Reward" cycle we've been through over misc footage and stills in a year.


F-ing genius.

[Karl H]

can i ask a very silly question?

i appreciate this clip- downloading now. but its a bit odd that you're posting footage from an alpha prototype when you've already admitted to improving this picture quality dramatcally in the last few months and you're 2 weeks away from shipping.

boards were respun to reduce noise, rolling shutter reduced. DR improved, FPN gone...... are you saying there is no footage at all from the final production camera that we could see? We havent had a 4K image since all these changes have been made to the Red architecture...

i havent seen this clip before, so its all good to me (looking forward to the 2K post very much).

Edit : wait a sec, is this the whole film? now i see why u r posting it

[CVB]

Guys, keep in mind that this is the trailer version of the movie... not the whole movie. If you get a chance check out the full version at IBC.. its well worth the time to see it on the big screen. I think that the flickers are artifacts from quicktime because I didn't see it when I saw it at Cinegear. Mirror will be up in 1/2 hr.

[Unwounded]

Looks Awesome. Just one question. This is still only a trailer of a longer version right? That's not a complaint in any way, I'm very happy. :) ....ya see


Edit........I write too slow. Question withdrawn.

Well then How long was the trailer shown at NAB?

[CVB]

They showed the full short at NAB. I'm guessing that the original would be close to 1 Gig. Its a fair synopsis of all the best shots though. I'm not complaining. :)

[Jannard]

The full length version is about 13 minutes. At this resolution the download would be about 1.5GB. Too much for now. Plus we want as many people as possible to see it 4K.

Jim

[Unwounded]

Look foward to seein it in 4k. Keep us posted on screenings. thanks again for the bone.

[Paul Plonka]

It`s perfect. Thanks for link. Now waiting to see on IBC.
Paul

[Evan Owen]

Awesome! Very nice editing... it captures the feeling of the film very well!

One thing, and I'm not trying to be negative here, just asking an honest question. There seems to be a pinkish tint to the blown-out highlights of the clouds around 1:50-1:51. I didn't notice this when I saw the film at 4K, but it went by so fast I'm not sure I would have. I also seem to remember a pinkish tint to the blown-out spots on the famous milk bottle though. Is there an easy explanation for this?

Ok, I'm done. *ducks*

[Keith Alan Morris]

Must...have...camera...now....Brain...bursting...

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

Thanks Jim & Jarred!
Can't wait to see what others do with the Red One when it starts shipping!


(Reading and learning not very much posting until the camera ships:matrix:!)

[CVB]

Ok, mirror is up... get it while it lasts

CROSSING LINK (http://www.emissivity.com/movies/Crossing1k.mov) (Right click, Save As..)

[Emanuel A.]

The full length version is about 13 minutes. At this resolution the download would be about 1.5GB. Too much for now. Plus we want as many people as possible to see it 4K.

JimJim, we fully understand. But nothing is so much when we have been here since day one.

Cheers,
E.

[Matt Setnes]

Excellent work and exceeds expectations in regards to quality and detail.

No need for pre-defending, but there a few things I'm not pleased with or at least somewhat skeptical of. I won't point them out because it's ancient footage regardless. Thanks for posting though!

[Cory Schulthies]

This really made my day. this will be a nice marketing tool for those of us who want to rent the camera out or sell our clients on paying a bit more to get RED footage.

1.5 GB eh, Do I smell a torrent coming on?

[Gavin Greenwalt]

*cough* bittorrent *cough*

[Ivan G]

SHWING! :sarcasm:

[Brook Willard]

Well I can officially confirm that a 1K over EDGE is a no-go on the iPhone.

Bugger. Who wants to compress me a version? :wink: :)

[Craig Harding]

There seems to be a pinkish tint to the blown-out highlights of the clouds around 1:50-1:51.

If I'm recalling correctly the original discussion when the first crossing short was released after NAB, it emerged that Jackson's team had done some color grading in post which included some pink added to cloud highlights.

I haven't seen the new trailer yet (still downloading) but my first guess would be this is what you're seeing.

[SalaTar]

Jim,
how about just paying for the bandwidth?
Get the web up to par and call this a test

[Alexander Nikishin]

Awesome, thank you for posting Crossing Jim & Jarred, it looks great even at 1080P!

[Gbabymogul]

That's fing Bananas

Pj knows his game. Purely cinematic. I dig it and completely forgot about the camera.

On second viewing this looks like a top grade still camera and a Super sweet 35mm negative copulated all night long.
Lionel Ritchie would be proud.

I noticed a few things but they're not too important considering this camera is not the final prod. one.
:beer:

[SalaTar]

using 24puser bandwidth is kind of slacking....

[Roberto B]

Well I can officially confirm that a 1K over EDGE is a no-go on the iPhone.

Bugger. Who wants to compress me a version? :wink: :):construction:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Here's another mirror..

Crossing Trailer - 1K (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/Crossing1k.mov)

[chuck colburn]

Huh????????

[Dave Cooper]

Two nick-picks :

1) That photograph would look new unless the soldier poured coffee on it

2) There is ghosting on the slow-mo scenes

I would guess frame blending was on for the slow-mo process.


Other than that, the footage looks sharp and nothing less of amazing.

[SalaTar]

looks video to me

[Gordon Prince]

Huh?????????????

[Joe Carney]

I'll see about getting it uploaded to vuze.com, great gui/p2p system designed around the Azureus bittorrent client.

[Cail Young]

2) There is ghosting on the slow-mo scenes

I would guess frame blending was on for the slow-mo process.

The alpha camera only supported 24fps so any slow-mo was done in post.

[Scott Webster]

I suggest before watching the clip that everyone who hasn't, read the Onfilm Article (http://www.onfilm.co.nz/editable/DigiFeature.pdf) on the shoot.

Remember prototype cameras, 2 day shoot.

Next week whole new ball game.

[Alexander Nikishin]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7214/duhnm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Casey Green]

Awesome trailer... it seems there are a couple of new shots in there that weren't in the short (and I don't mean the silly post above this), but its been a while since I saw it at CineGear...

The music builds perfectly. If you haven't downloaded it yet, you're missing out... you gotta see it.

thanks for putting this up, Jim.

[Shawn Nelson]

Lol, yeah, that was the worst moment in an otherwise good movie.

I gotta tell you guys, the experience of being the first into the tent for the first screening of this on NAB morn was amazing :-)

[Jaime Vallés]

Awesome stuff! Thanks for posting this. I saw the 1080p ProRes version at the NYC Apple seminar, and it indeed looked spectacular.

[Michael Schrengohst]

The full length version is about 13 minutes. At this resolution the download would be about 1.5GB. Too much for now. Plus we want as many people as possible to see it 4K.

Jim

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red

What was this shot with???

The people in Dallas are still at the hotel waiting to see
"Crossing the Line". We were the only city in the Apple
tour that Red went missing. I know a few rental houses
here in Dallas will be getting Reds.

And instead of Motion Jpeg for the the 1K version
try PhotoJpeg or H.264. I think you have some
progressive to interlacing going on.

[Jaime Vallés]

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red

What was this shot with???


I believe I read somewhere that it was shot using a Varicam. Not bad, huh? And to think that we'll be capable of shooting stuff that looks eons better... :gun:

[Unwounded]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7214/duhnm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL....... SOny Ess Kaput.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red

What was this shot with???

I believe it was shot with a Varicam... It seems that's what I recall along with a comment about the backgrounds being "a mile away" to get the shallow DOF look.

As for the Dallas Apple event, I had to go to Dallas last month and almost added 2 days onto the beginning of my trip to attend. I'm so glad I decided to pass on the extra two days, seeing how I didn't miss anything. :bleh: Still though, that's a bummer for all hoping to have seen the camera and perhaps Ted or someone from RED and "crossing".

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

That's some awesome looking footage. The aerial and landscape shots are absolutely stunning.

On the down side, you just made it that much harder for me to consider buying any camera that I can comfortably afford.:waaa:

[Roberto B]

that was the worst moment in an otherwise good movie.
you have good eye..

Alejandro

[Kenn Michael]

That's some awesome looking footage. The aerial and landscape shots are absolutely stunning.:

Yep. Great to see those shots again. Seeing those wide shots projected in 4K made my soul rejoice! That's really the test of a great visual format - the way it captures vistas... and Red can definitely do it. :sorcerer:

[Hrvoje Simic]

You have put a smile on my face tonight. Thanks guys.

[Teague Kennedy]

Yep. Great to see those shots again. Seeing those wide shots projected in 4K made my soul rejoice! That's really the test of a great visual format - the way it captures vistas... and Red can definitely do it. :sorcerer:
Also a great reminder that you CAN get deep deep depth of field if you stop down enough.

[Poi Boy]

Also a great reminder that you CAN get deep deep depth of field if you stop down enough.

at 500 asa.. not a problem.
Aloha
-A

[Dave Cooper]

The alpha camera only supported 24fps so any slow-mo was done in post.

I know, that is why I said frame blending must have been on.

[Jason Francois]

Get used to it, it's just an odd form of marketing, I guess... this is the fifth or so "Punishment and Reward" cycle we've been through over misc footage and stills in a year.

Goes like this...

1.) RED publishes something, anything.
2.) People scream "Thank you! Thank you!".
3.) Minutes later, people complain, "Hey, why isn't it....?".
4.) RED answers back, "We're busy enough as is, guess we'll just go dark".
5.) People reply, "No!!! We're sorry! Damn you others who wanted more!!!!".
6.) RED, "ah, we love you, here you go, more stuff!".

Wash, rinse and repeat every few months.

I've started doing something similar as a behavior training program with my dog.

Works wonders on him.

wooof!

EDIT: Thanks for the footage. Happy to have seen it in 4k, so I don't feel so tense. :)

[Ogar]

Wow!!!

[Sam Druckerman]

Love the new color grade/music edit.

Thanks, JJ & JL !!

[Thom Steinhoff]

That was amazing!!! I was in the front of the line in NAB and honestly when I saw it there--I was in shock and I forgot how truely stunning it was. This brought it back in a big way and brought it "home" for me.

To the skeptics, watch this and go back to the still gallery and bring up:

http://www.red.com/skin/img/gallery-still/005634.jpg

Imagine the detail, clarity and depth you see in that picture, now imagine it as a tiff. Now put those together 24 times a second for this entire trailer... Now spice in variable shutter speed, and variable frame rates (remember this was shot on "on/off" prototypes)...

Holy-mother-of-God-I-may-be-having-a-heart-attack!

Come on--Back to work--Let's see if we can't crank out 516 cameras as fast as physically possible. After that--you can rest a little. :)

[Jason Francois]

I'm sorry, but trying to find fault in that is just that...trying to find fault. If that doesn't stir up the old filmmaking juices then you're just bitter and jaded, so find the door.

[Cory Mitchell]

Having just watched this trailer, the best compliment I can offer is that I completely forgot that I was watching a new digital prototype camera.

Good stuff and good work. Thanks for this preview Jim, Jared and the other Reds...

visionmind

[Rick Darge]

Holy crap............................... [game over]

i forgot how purdy this looked

[Simon Blackledge]

hehe.. that's so cool :) congrats guys!


S

[Álex Montoya]

Truly beautiful. Hmmmm... when do we get the 2K version?

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

it looks superclean :nerd:

[Sean R.]

Super 35 clean

[Michele Gavazzeni]

I'm in love

[Carl-August Savgård]

Mirror:

http://hawkeye.digital-elephant.com/client/redclip/

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

Thanks for putting the 1k Clip online, I'll be watching it in 10 minutes (currently downloading).

Also, REALLY thank you for putting up a 1k clip: in Belgium, if you take a standard broadband internet connection, you can only maximum download or upload 12 gigabyte per month... so having a 1k clip is less download, and is (for me, on this monitor and computer) still enough to look at. Loved the last 1k clip of Crossing the Line also.
Can't wait to see the full version at IBC (if I make it).

[Tim Lüdin]

Hey, thanks a lot for the clip. That's the first time I see more than the teaser. I'll be at the IBC show in 2 weeks to see it in full 4K glory. But this clip already looks great. I can't hardly wait. Keep on posting clips like this. I think as a pro, you can realy see the quality, when you know where to look.

The potential of this cam is unbelievable and these pictures are still from alpha cams. Crazy. I know, I know, I saw the highlights clipping etc. but the overall impression is great. And the production cams will even be much better.

I'm realy looking forward to hear about the first DPs testing the cam in about 2 weeks. But I'm very shure, the cam will stand up to those tests.

So see ya at the IBC. :biggrin:

Tim

[Eric Edwards]

Where is IBC and when is it taking place?

[Eric Edwards]

Nevermind, I found out, Amsterdam in early sept. I dont think I can make that...

[Damien Molineaux]

Oh my...

Utter beauty, I'm salivating to think I'll finally be able to see the whole film in all its 4k glory !

Thank you for this.

I keep thinking how PJ and his team shot this in two days, wow ! Inspirational.

Damien

[David Cubbage]

Thank you, thank you, thank you Red for this trailer; and thanks to Curt for mirroring the trailer so I could share in the joy of seeing it.

I was looking forward to seeing the 4k version at IBC, together with the Red One, but unfortunately, we are shooting pickups and I can't make it; that's why I am so happy to see the 1k trailer posted here. It's truly awesome; I have to pinch myself sometimes to make sure I didn't dream that I ordered a Red. I know I won't be getting delivery until January 2008 but waiting is all part of the emotional experience when you buy into a dream.

[Loomis]

Oh, yeah. It's OK :)

Wonderful, folks. Had me sufficiently awestruck. Thanks to all for the mirror links as well, as it made the painful task of downloading slightly less so.

[Floris Liesker]

And the production cameras will be even better...

[johannperry]

Thanks Jeff, Jarred's bandwidth is now exceeded. much appreciated

[Martin Drew]

Since there was so much drama over posting a 1K frame grab instead of 4K, I decided that we wouldn't post the new 1K trailer from Peter Jackson's "Crossing the Line" today. We had planned to, but I can see clearly that we should wait until we can figure out how to post the real 2K (2GB) Pro-res file. We probably can figure out how to do that in a week or so. I know you won't mind waiting.

Jim

The 1K is great, thanks. So will there be a 2K post too or was that just a touch of irony??? 2Gb isn't particularly onerous by bitTorrent.

M

[mjeppsen]

FreshDV (http://www.freshdv.com/2007/08/new-crossing-the-line-1k-trailer-released-red-footage.html) has a mirror of the new 1K trailer here (http://www.freshdv.com/mjeppsen/video/red/Crossing1k.mov). Please use right-click, save as. (Update: link fixed)
Thanks to the Red team for sharing this new cut.

[Colin Hubick]

I noticed on the 1k trailer of the crossing there seems to be a gamma shift at frame #785, at frame #802, at frame #859, and again at frame #1034. I've downloaded the trailer from a couple other locations, but it seems to be consistant through-out all the dl's. Has anybody else noticed this? I'm curious why the shift?

Colin

[C.H.Haskell]

Thanks Curt for mirror!

[Jannard]

I noticed on the 1k trailer of the crossing there seems to be a gamma shift at frame #785, at frame #802, at frame #859, and again at frame #1034. I've downloaded the trailer from a couple other locations, but it seems to be consistant through-out all the dl's. Has anybody else noticed this? I'm curious why the shift?

Colin

There were some problems in the conversion. We are doing it over and will post today or tomorrow. Sorry for that.

Jim

[Colin Hubick]

There were some problems in the conversion. We are doing it over and will post today or tomorrow. Sorry for that.

Jim

no apology neccesary, and not a crticism of the trailer. I'm not a DP, just work in post, and these things stick out to me :-) thanks for the quick response.

Colin

[Jarred Land]

good eye Colin. I will let you guys know so you can swap out the mirrors as well with the new trailer.

[Colin Hubick]

good eye Colin. I will let you guys know so you can swap out the mirrors as well with the new trailer.

sorry guys, I can't seem to stop starring at this, but one more quick question. Is the shift that happens on the isolated frames the true intended saturation of the image or is the lift through-out the more accurate representation of the image?

Colin

[Gavin Greenwalt]

I also noticed that the dreaded Windows Quicktime Gamma Shift occurs since it's an independantly encoded H.264 quicktime.

I'm still awfully suspicious how Apple can encode properly for their trailers page but the rest of the world can't deliver a color accurate h.264 quicktime for the PC market.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

(SNIP) I'm still awfully suspicious how Apple can encode properly for their trailers page but the rest of the world can't deliver a color accurate h.264 quicktime for the PC market.

Perhaps you should contact Oliver Stone, hash out a script, maybe Jeff Daniels could do Steve Jobs with a liberal dose of "the Dude" as an affectation...

[Poi Boy]

Anybody have a working link ? I came late to the party.
Aloha
-A

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I'm still awfully suspicious how Apple can encode properly for their trailers page but the rest of the world can't deliver a color accurate h.264 quicktime for the PC market.

I have asked the same thing myself many times in other forums!

[Simon Blackledge]

Do Apples trailers look the same on both pc and mac? have they placed an extra tag in their QT's maybe? :-/


as for re-encoding.. feel free but just saying you know.. and its an encoding issue.. fine.. leave it.. still looks bleedin great!

s

[Corey Culp]

Perhaps you should contact Oliver Stone, hash out a script, maybe Jeff Daniels could do Steve Jobs with a liberal dose of "the Dude" as an affectation...

Don't you mean Jeff Bridges?

[Poi Boy]

Links anyone ?
-A

[Desert Rune]

hubickc,

I noticed the gamma dips as well, but figured those were likely post-workflow issues that have still to be worked out. My first thought was, "does Red One record superwhite?" as I have similar experience working with DV/HDV footage.

There is one dissolve where the saturation/hue shifts ever so slightly. Anyone catch that?

[Rick Darge]

Wow... I keep watching this damn footage.. and I keep laughing in the faces of naysayers who told me that the camera was fake as I show them the new red footage, ala, Clockwork Orange style

[Charles Perkins]

mirror:

www.runjumpfly.net/RED/Crossing1k.mov

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Actually you don't need to be on a pc to have that f****** gamma shift happening. I get it each time I make a h.264 or when I encode a DVD on my G5.
That Apple gets away with it is a true subject of marvel to me.:ranting2:

[Poi Boy]

Thanks Chas !
-A

[Brook Willard]

Finally back on a computer! Now I get to actually watch this...

[liquidigital]

Truly amazing stuff. I smiled the whole time and can't wait to see what everybody ends up shooting when they first receive their cameras. Jarred thanks for taking the time to post this and thanks also to the mirrors.

Cheers -- Mike

[Brook Willard]

Nice trailer, guys... that's badass. Can't wait to see the ProRes.

[chuck colburn]

I must be doing something wrong here.. All I see is a white screen with a blue Q with a test tube in the center.

[Unwounded]

I must be doing something wrong here.. All I see is a white screen with a blue Q with a test tube in the center.

..................Waaiitt foorr it.

[Brook Willard]

Chuck, it sounds like the file hasn't finished downloading. Save the file to your disk and try it from there.

[chuck colburn]

Hi Unwounded,

OK I waited five minutes and still nada. lol Thanks though.

Chuck

Brook,

I don't have a disc. I think...

[Brook Willard]

That is, save it to your computer. If you're on a peecee, right-click the link and save it to your disk. Let it finish downloading and then double-click on the video file [wherever you save it]. On a Mac, hold [Option] and click on the link. It'll download to your desktop... just double-click on it there.

[chuck colburn]

That is, save it to your computer. If you're on a peecee, right-click the link and save it to your disk. Let it finish downloading and then double-click on the video file [wherever you save it]. On a Mac, hold [Option] and click on the link. It'll download to your desktop... just double-click on it there.

I did the MAC option click thing and it showed that I was downloading a 293MB file and that it would take 15 min. So I cancaled that as I think my roomy would not like that.

[Brook Willard]

Yeah, that's the right file. You'll have to download it to watch it.

[Unwounded]

I wasn't kidding about the waiting for it comment......Literally i opened up the window then surfed the web for a little bit and then a little while later I heard the opeing music swell. presto.

[chuck colburn]

Thanks anyway guys. I think this is an old computer. it says it is a G4 at 800 mhz. with 1.25 GB SDRAM

I did not want to tie up his availble storage space.

[Keith Nealy]

So what's the answer to this gamma problem? I am on a PC and it is driving me crazy.

I went into the Quicktime player controls and color corrected a bit and then it popped.

What format gives the most accurate rendition?

Aloha,

Keith

[Jarred Land]

dont worry man we are working on it :)

[Emanuel A.]

I can't find any problem. Everything is smooth (though on VLC is darker and with no sound :clown2:), clear and clean over here. Actually, more than ever. This time runs like any trailer downloaded from hollywood, shot in 35mm. :) Good work guys, especially to who did the conversion. I suggest every upcoming RED ONE footage (popping up in weeks) may follow this method going with 1K first wherever you go after... Not all can playback 2K or 4K :watsup: on their own laptop on the kitchen or bathroom... LOL

http://www.clicksmilies.com/usersmilies/einzelusersmilies/bath.gif

No confusions at all! LMAO

[Stephen Gentle]

So what's the answer to this gamma problem? I am on a PC and it is driving me crazy.

I went into the Quicktime player controls and color corrected a bit and then it popped.

What format gives the most accurate rendition?

Aloha,

Keith

Open it in VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/). It's a lot more accurate (I think)

I wish there was some way to change the gamma in Quicktime... VLC won't play the sound (but it looks great!)

[Emanuel A.]

Well, Stephen (Gentle? :huh: :unsure:) I hope one day you may pay more attention to my name from anywhere...than you probably would do if mine was Jarred, for instance. :)

Did you actually read my post? Or don't you care about my hassle with the VLC and you don't give your magical tip on your method in order to put the player working properly... :holloween:

Keith, go with the Media Player Classic. It works fine!

EDIT -- Just joking! It just goes darker, not so big deal! Why doesn't the VLC play the sound? Anyone can explain me the mystery?

[Brook Willard]

Emanuel, you sure love to delete posts! :)

[Simon Blackledge]

how was this scaled from 4K >? Looks to have had no filtering applied to keep sharpness.. just curious.. awsome though!


s

[Emanuel A.]

Emanuel, you sure love to delete posts! :)Did you think that only VLC had hassles, Brook? :) The Jelsoft software (reduser.net and dvxuser.com php provider) or my browsers (??!) doesn't/don't allow me to edit my posts as my wish. Sometimes yes, sometimes don't.

[Brook Willard]

It's just a giant prank Jarred's playing on you. :wink:

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Do Apples trailers look the same on both pc and mac? have they placed an extra tag in their QT's maybe? :-/


Yeah I'm not sure how they manage it. They might just have been compressed for a "middle denominator"--a bit bright on PCs and a bit dark on Macs. I don't know. But it always looks ok.

Quicktime programmers claim it's a problem with directDraw. *Cough* bullshit *cough* yeah because nobody else is able to tackle the burden of coding:


Codec = GetFileCodec "C:\H264file.mov"
if Codec == 'H264 then
(

Apply f*($#ing gamma correction
)
else
(

Don't apply F*#)$*@ing gamma correction
)

Uncompressed, Tiff and JPEG quicktimes exhibit no problems at all. But every single other compression scheme I've used with quicktime goes to hell.

Speaking of which... REDCode is going to decode properly... right?

[Emanuel A.]

It's just a giant prank Jarred's playing on you. :wink:Word. Be sure of that! Bad boy. ;-) BTW, I hope you can increase my PM box on dvxuser.com higher than the 500 messages store. And please chief, don't ask me to delete no one of the messages there. I have true jewels stored. BTW part II, follow my last contribution:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=107447

:poster_oops:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=43731&page=45

I already have the Isaac's approval! You see, you can't beat me no matters how much new RED ONE footage you'll post... :bleh:

[Keith Nealy]

I just saw the video played with VLC (as compared to media player.

WOW Wow Wow. It's like a fog lifted. The clarity was amazing with that increased Gamma.

We need to find a solution for PC's to view quicktime with the correct color rendition. Anyone figure outhow to get sound with VLC?

Any suggestions?

aloha,

Keith

[Stephen Gentle]

Well, Stephen (Gentle? :huh: :unsure:) I hope one day you may pay more attention to my name from anywhere...than you probably would do if mine was Jarred, for instance. :)

Did you actually read my post? Or don't you care about my hassle with the VLC and you don't give your magical tip on your method in order to put the player working properly... :holloween:

Keith, go with the Media Player Classic. It works fine!

EDIT -- Just joking! It just goes darker, not so big deal! Why doesn't the VLC play the sound? Anyone can explain me the mystery?

There's no real need to flame me (or make fun of my last name) because I recommended that Keith view the video in VLC, even it you were having problems with it. It just looks a lot less washed out on my PC.

But I checked, and I aggree that it does look better in Media Player Classic

[Gavin Greenwalt]

You can always adjust it in your display controls temporarily for a specific application window.

[Emanuel A.]

There's no real need to flame me (or make fun of my last name) because I recommended that Keith view the video in VLC, even it you were having problems with it. It just looks a lot less washed out on my PC.

But I checked, and I aggree that it does look better in Media Player ClassicDon't take the things so seriously, my good fellow. As I said, I was just kidding with you. Nothing serious. This community works like a family, a big family of gentlemen ;-).

Cinema is not just picture or motion picture. The sounds counts. PJ knows it. As well, JJ or JL.

[Emanuel A.]

I meant the sound counts. The sounds, a few times.

[Casey Green]

We need to find a solution for PC's to view quicktime with the correct color rendition. Anyone figure outhow to get sound with VLC?

Any suggestions?



You can always adjust it in your display controls temporarily for a specific application window.

PowerStrip is a great tool for making custom settings for your Video Card. It has Gamma controls, Color Temp, allows access to hardware level controls, and loads and saves the customized settings. Free Trial:

PowerStrip (http://www.download.com/PowerStrip/3000-2086_4-10395724.html)

[Andrew Benz]

It's just a giant prank Jarred's playing on you. :wink:

I really enjoyed the clip, a real godsend for those of us in the hinterlands. I have not had the time to really scrutinize the footage yet but I appreciate everyone for pointing out specifics and the subsequent follow up by RED.

OT---Hey Brook, I am really glad to see your website up. I really like your layout and especially your use of icons and how they translate your various skillsets--very direct, very clean. Of course, my favorite is RED Ninja-- because what the hell else would it be !!: :ninja:

cheers,

Andrew

BTW, I would really would like know your various rates and have that discussion so I can have some ideas for various types of future projects--- Do you like to fly? :tongue:

[Emanuel A.]

I have not had the time to really scrutinize the footage yet but... How dare you, Andrew? :) This is the first product ever released shot on RED. It's a trailer but a trailer is a product anyway.

[Stephen Gentle]

Don't take the things so seriously, my good fellow. As I said, I was just kidding with you. Nothing serious. This community works like a family, a big family of gentlemen ;-)..

I know, I was joking too. But that post did sound kind of nasty until you added the little disclaimer.

Anyway, I would really like to see the full film (1K is fine). If RED were to post a torrent I volunteer to seed for a while (possibly a few days depending on certain factors).

[Andrew Benz]

How dare you, Andrew? :) This is the first product ever released shot on RED. It's a trailer but a trailer is a product anyway.

Heheh, I was going to make a smart ass comment about the damn story getting in the way of a great product demo... I have been slacking a little on my RED habit, so I have to stay up all night and get caught up with all the developments--- BTW-- I am really happy about Zakeree joining the RED Team, I just think it's really funny that I found out over at XXX.com with Stephen's post calling my attention to it... So congratulations Zakeree, that is great! Now just a little more reading before my three hour nap.:wacko:



This community works like a family, a big family of gentlemen ;-).

Emanuel, this has to be in your sig!

[ericyoung]

...This community works like a family, a big family of gentlemen...

Ummm. Think there are a few ladies in this community as well!! :blush:

[Samuel Doyle]

thanks for the download....so sharp I could see my brother on his farm...

great stuff

[Álex Montoya]

So the 2K version is coming today?

[Thor Wixom]

My laptop is choking on the file, and it usually plays HD WMV files just fine.

Jim, Jarred, please consider making a WMV version directly from the source so the Windows guys don't have to recompress the QT file to get smooth playback.

Thanks.

-Thor Wixom

[Michael Schrengohst]

My laptop is choking on the file, and it usually plays HD WMV files just fine.

Jim, Jarred, please consider making a WMV version directly from the source so the Windows guys don't have to recompress the QT file to get smooth playback.

Thanks.

-Thor Wixom

?
My PC and Mac play the file fine.
It's those little gamma hits that
bother me. I wanted to show it
to a customer but will hold off
until they get a properly encoded file.

[tomcassetta]

Damn lightning storms in Colorado...

I've tried to download the clip twice now and my comp has dropped the d/l twice!

Here goes lucky number 3...:help:

[Vincent Rice]

The clip looks fantastic. It is a little dark in the first third but the colour in the airborne scenes is gorgeous. Noise is simply not a factor. Very encouraging.

[Corrado Silveri]

wow.

thanks.

cheers.

[Tom Funk]

The full length version is about 13 minutes. At this resolution the download would be about 1.5GB. Too much for now. Plus we want as many people as possible to see it 4K.

Jim

Hey Jim, I'd still be glad to put this to HD DVD. Granted it would "only" be @ 1080p resolution - but that's the most consumers are going to see any time soon at home... which may be a target market for some.
Heck, if enough people want a copy, it would be under $1/unit for me to replicate them. (The same encoding can be used for Blu-ray, but those would cost about $10/unit :wacko: )

[Júlio Taubkin]

Okay, I'm ready to sell my soul now... Great.

[Proteus]

I just saw the video played with VLC (as compared to media player.

WOW Wow Wow. It's like a fog lifted. The clarity was amazing with that increased Gamma.

We need to find a solution for PC's to view quicktime with the correct color rendition. Anyone figure outhow to get sound with VLC?

Any suggestions?

aloha,

Keith


For PC users: Just download the (free) KMplayer from the following link to see the light (and hear the sound)!

http://www.download.com/The-KMPlayer/3000-2139_4-10659940.html?tag=lst-0-1

Alt+Enter ->for Fullscreen/normal,
Space or double click -> for pause/play.
No need for Quicktime to be installed in the system.

NOTE: Before you begin playback, press Alt + F2 to turn off sound normalize. Avoid running two instances (it minimizes in the taskbar). Also, don't forget to maximize your LCD's brightness!

And if you are interested for the main Kmplayer's site:
http://www.kmplayer.com/forums/index.php

Enjoy!



BTW, as most of the RED fans here, I'm also impatient to see the 2K version!

[Álex Montoya]

Is it me or does the KMplayer downrez the clip?

[Jarred Land]

I just saw the video played with VLC (as compared to media player.

WOW Wow Wow. It's like a fog lifted. The clarity was amazing with that increased Gamma.

We need to find a solution for PC's to view quicktime with the correct color rendition. Anyone figure outhow to get sound with VLC?

Any suggestions?

aloha,

Keith

yeah VLC kinda kicks ass...

[Petr Dvorak]

try to use ol good MPlayer
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html

you need to download some more user friendly GUI for it

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

It´s just two weeks untill IBC, judging from the trailer - I have a really good experience ahead of me, can´t wait to see it all full 4K!

[Proteus]

Is it me or does the KMplayer downrez the clip?

It is you! :sarcasm:



EDIT: BTW, except for being a universal player, far more compatible than VLC, you can define everything in KMplayer, even the algorithm for resizing (e.g for fullscreen). Its not perfect, but its closer to this, as an all-in-one free player. And it gets better in each release.

[Thor Wixom]

For PC users: Just download the (free) KMplayer from the following link to see the light (and hear the sound)!

Proteus,

Thanks for the tip. The QT file plays back perfectly on my laptop now.

-Thor

[Joe Carney]

I published it to vuze.com, a very nice gui for the azureus bit torrent client.
If you decide to install vuze, lots of cool legal stuff.

http://www.vuze.com/details/HNZMMGKWQXXW7Z7PKH2KNCL3SFSQVQJT.html

You can send the above link to anyone interested.

No bandwidth or size limits, but since it's p2p you have to share.

[John V]

Remember this even if the clip is posted at 4k most people out there will not be able to see its true glory due to the lack of resolution in there computer monitors. Best and only was is in 4k projection or monitor. We who saw it at NAB can view this as a short taste of the whole movie. Cant wait till RED is everywhere.

[Álex Montoya]

Nah, it's not me.

If you don't change anything the KMplayer applies by default a smooth filter (under basic video controls), that effectively reduces the resolution.

[REDHKSC]

Since there was so much drama over posting a 1K frame grab instead of 4K, I decided that we wouldn't post the new 1K trailer from Peter Jackson's "Crossing the Line" today. We had planned to, but I can see clearly that we should wait until we can figure out how to post the real 2K (2GB) Pro-res file. We probably can figure out how to do that in a week or so. I know you won't mind waiting.

Jim

I watch the 2K files from APPLE's hardware but a lots of unstable during playback and is it enough for a 4K just 24 Frame p/s ?

72 Frame /s can down to 24P much smoother and go up to 120P is NOT BAD.

Thanks for allowing me to express my " MAD " ideas or specifications.

SNELL & WILCOX in the UK and STATES who have lots of experts in that area.

Cheers,

STEWART

[Michael Ragen]

Stewart, are you referring to the slow motion shots, because they were done in post. The alpha cameras they used only had 24p available.

[Jarred Land]

ok... i have the 2 gig 2k Pro-Res file here. Who wants to host it?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'll do it... May the force be with my server...

[Jarred Land]

pm me Jeff.

[Ivan G]

Holy S••T BRING IT!!!:w00t:

[laguun]

pm me Jeff.

hey jarred, great!
how do we play back prores on pc?

[damonbots]

hey jarred, great!
how do we play back prores on pc?

According to this thread, it seems that you must have FCP 6 installed to be able to play Prores in Quicktime applications:

http://www.creativecow.net/articles/wilson_tim/ProRes01/page02.html

I sure hope this info is wrong because I feel like I just got kicked in the nuts.

[laguun]

According to this thread, it seems that you must have FCP 6 installed to be able to play Prores in Quicktime applications:

http://www.creativecow.net/articles/wilson_tim/ProRes01/page02.html

I sure hope this info is wrong because I feel like I just got kicked in the nuts.


Hm, ok, >90% of the users out there are on windows or linux, so how do they playback that file?

[Evan Owen]

Hm, ok, >90% of the users out there are on windows or linux, so how do they playback that file?

But not >90% of the users in here.

I think the only way to play back ProRes (at this point anyway) is to get a Mac.

[Adrian T.]

Hm, ok, >90% of the users out there are on windows or linux, so how do they playback that file?

Are you kidding? Take a look at this recent poll: link (http://www.reduser.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=42). :innocent:

[laguun]

Are you kidding? Take a look at this recent poll: link (http://www.reduser.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=42). :innocent:

i was speaking of -users- not -reservation- holders.
our customers would appreciate the link, and very few of them are editors.

[wshultz]

Jeff, Can't we download yet? It's been two hours!

[laguun]

But not >90% of the users in here.

I think the only way to play back ProRes (at this point anyway) is to get a Mac.

exactly.

and the producers/distribution/finance/3d/elder DPs etc we would like to send a link will open the file and say: It doesn´t work! But its a Quicktime, they work on my computer!

I think it would be a good idea to have a crossplatform file asap.

Don´t get me wrong, FCP and AP are excellent product for their price, but in 2/4k mastering houses, you will rather find clipsters/flames/lustres/DS Nitris/Quantel/Speedgrade/Assimilate Scratch - and last time i looked, there is -one- Quicktime HD codec they couldn´t playback: Prores.

Furthermore, all FCP3,4,5 users are excluded as well, as, iirc, one needs 6 to playback Prores.

So are all 3D Animators who don´t have FCP on their 3ds max/Xsi etc workstations, all compositors running fusion, nuke etc, all cel-art/animators running Animo etc, all DPs running speedgrade on set or pre-viz 3d, all game designer running the most popular engines and even my mom.

No rant - just a marketing consideration.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Jeff, Can't we download yet? It's been two hours!

Not quite yet... Jarred is still uploading to the server via FTP. It's only a 1Mbps up pipe via remote FTP. 2GB @ 1Mbps = 4.5 hours roughly.

[wshultz]

I actually meant it facetiously since with 2GB I didn't think you'd be anywhere close! Sounds like we may have access tonight?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I don't know the exact file size, but I'd say we're about half way there.

[Charles Perkins]

i've pm jarred, if we need another mirror i'll do it.

[Justin O'Neill]

Man, I must be messed up because I'm thinking of running out and buying a Macbook Pro just to watch this ProRes footage.

I need a therapist quick.

[Jarred Land]

2 hours...

[DeaneThrussell]

just released my i ve left my final cut 6 software at the office is there a prores 422 codec i can install

or do i need smoke the tyres up on the car and get it

[wshultz]

Man, I must be messed up because I'm thinking of running out and buying a Macbook Pro just to watch this ProRes footage.

I need a therapist quick.

You ARE messed up. Here, come lie on my couch. Just start at the beginning. When did you first hear about Red...? Oh... services must be paid for at the end of the session. And we're out of time.

[Jarred Land]

Hm, ok, >90% of the users out there are on windows or linux, so how do they playback that file?

unfotunatly that windows model from 5 years ago doesnt really hold up anymore.. even just from visitors to this site its almost 50-50.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I think the first thing I'm going to do, other than enjoy the CTL trailer in full 2K glory on my 30" display, is burn it to an HD-DVD and watch it on a 71" DLP. Hehe.

I don't have any suggestions for you guys who don't have a Mac with FCS2... Not sure what RED's policy is or will be on transcoding this thing. They already did make the 1K quicktime available.

[Álex Montoya]

Noe, c'mon Jeff...

Please, do a 264 quicktime or a wmv. I'm begging you!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Hehe. I've just agreed to host for now. We'll have to see what's OK with Jarred.

Speaking of hosting, I'll set up another mirror or two by this evening... But I'll probably need some help from others if the demand is really high. Any volunteers? I'm not too worried about over-running my bandwidth allowed for the moth, but if enough people are trying to download at the same time, it could slow to a crawl....

[laguun]

unfotunatly that windows model from 5 years ago doesnt really hold up anymore.. even just from visitors to this site its almost 50-50.

Hi Jarred,

congrats on the delivery.

Yeah, on this site. However, out there in productionland - its not anywhere near that figure. And here, on reduser.net, we a rather convinced.

Its the nay-sayers, sceptical customers, the producers with their fancy blue-ray sony vaio i would like to send that link.

Besides, leaving out minimum 50% of the users isn´t exactly the no platform-preference approach :)

don´t get this wrong - i don´t want to rant or complain, i only recommend to publish a quicktime/avi/mpg actually useable for not only half of the folks here and a minority in the production offices - especially as even apple doesn´t publish their HD content in prores online for good reasons.

[laguun]

Noe, c'mon Jeff...

Please, do a 264 quicktime or a wmv. I'm begging you!

that would be a re-encode from the re-encode of an en-code.
that will be the mayority of views in 2k for most people worldwide.

i wouldn´t publish it that way, but make a master from the redcode to a format which not only 800.000 user (according to apple, and only if all fcp users have updated to version 6) could view.
Even if that means that non fcp-6 users will have to wait.

you only get one first impression.

[Álex Montoya]

I really think that a proper H264 1080p encode can make the clip justice. And everyone would be able to watch it.

[laguun]

I really think that a proper H264 1080p encode can make the clip justice. And everyone would be able to watch it.
i agree - but better without 3hrd generations of datareduction.
anyhow - all the good people at red deserve to have a party today, so i will rest my case.

[Álex Montoya]

But me, I am not complaining. Not now, 10 days before the footage starts flooding the internet.


I am too busy saving for the purchase of the camera.

[Desert Rune]

I really think that a proper H264 1080p encode can make the clip justice.

That would be a step backwards, IMO. The original clip posted by Jarred is encoded in highest quality Motion JPEG-A at 16mbit/s. It is a production, intraframe compression codec.

H.264 is problematic with gamma shifting issues mentioned earlier.

[laguun]

That would be a step backwards, IMO. The original clip posted by Jarred is encoded in highest quality Motion JPEG-A at 16mbit/s. It is a production, intraframe compression codec.

H.264 is problematic with gamma shifting issues mentioned earlier.
yeah, a production level codec would be the best.

[Álex Montoya]

While I love intraframe codecs, H264 is perfect as a delivery 1080 codec. Aside from the gamma problems, which were present as well with the MJPEG quicktime, the H264 is used for HD trailers and noone complains about it.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

H.264 is used to author BluRay and HD-DVD titles... It works. It would be nice to see a 1080p H.264 version, derived from the 4K source. Then again, was this trailer cut in 4K or was it cut in 2K ProRes?

Update: 1.8GB... getting close.

[jbeale]

(H.264) would be a step backwards, IMO. The original clip posted by Jarred is encoded in highest quality Motion JPEG-A at 16mbit/s. It is a production, intraframe compression codec.
H.264 is problematic with gamma shifting issues mentioned earlier.

I believe the gamma shift problem you attribute to H.264 is specific to particular decoders and viewers, and is not a problem intrinsic to the format. For the purposes of high-quality viewing and online distribution, H.264 is a very good format, perhaps the best currently available as far as quality per bitrate.

Actually, it would be an interesting test to just re-encode the ProRes trailer in H.264 at some reasonable bitrate, and see how much difference is really visible. Any bets on the outcome of that test?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

It's Onliiine!!!

Who wants to download it? You can do so by clicking here --> www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz)

This is the same trailer that was released a few days back as a 1K QT. This is the 2K ProRes format, only viewable by people with Final Cut Studio 2 and the ProRes codec.

Would appreciate anyone willing to offer up a mirror or two. I will have a mirror up later tonight, possibly two if there's enough demand.

[Mark Allen]

It's Onliiine!!!
www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz)

I'm getting no page there.

[Craig Harding]

You need someone to set up a bittorrent server for this. Seriously.

[Desert Rune]

POSIX error: Connection reset be peer.

[Adrian T.]

It's Onliiine!!!

Who wants to download it? You can do so by clicking here --> www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz)

"POSIX error: Connection reset by peer."
Is the file too large to be handled by your webserver?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm getting no page there.

OK, I'm on it... give me a few...

[laguun]

It's Onliiine!!!

Who wants to download it? You can do so by clicking here --> www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz)


sadly, unusable here.
2 di suites, 5 nles, 1 fcp (v5 on a powerbook).

but fcs 2 users - enjoy.

no joke - if someone in berlin wants to transfer it by tommorow to 2k uncompressed, and watch it on class HD 1 crts - give me a pm. fcs2 bring in equipped notebook required, however.

[Emanuel A.]

OK, we wait Jeff!

Not watchable at PC side?

[laguun]

OK, we wait Jeff!

Not watchable at PC side?

and not watchable on osx side, fcs 2 required.

[Adrian T.]

OK, I'm on it... give me a few...

Jeff? :unsure:
Did you pass out after watching the trailer? :bye2:

[luis bustamante]

Jeff? :unsure:
Did you pass out after watching the trailer? :bye2:

He might be lying dead on top of the of the keyboard! Call 911! :clown2:

[Ivan G]

He might be lying dead on top of the of the keyboard! Call 911! :clown2:

LMAO!!!!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

No, not dead. Having some server issues. Not sure if the whole file was uploaded successfully and even though it's there, it claims the file is incomplete or does not exist.

Sorting out technical difficulties... Please don't hold your breath, I don't have a good feeling about this one.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

OK..

Download is working now, the file is now a gzip (.gz) archive and that saves just a few bytes. I haven't been able to determine if the 2GB was a factor or not (it's not supposed to be). There are some file ID settings that are hosed on the server and QT / .mov is one of them. I don't have time to troubleshoot them right now with a hosting tech, but will do so in the morning. The file and server are remote to me, I am downloading the file right now via HTTP and it seems to be working. I'm getting about 400KB/sec, so speed is acceptable, but not great. I'm hoping it can sustain at least 150KB/s once people start going after it.

Anyway, go for it if you would like. However, I can't guarantee that the file is good. I haven't got confirmation yet from Jarred if the file size the server reports is good and I won't know if it's good until later tonight when I can play the file. I have to take off in a bit and don't think I'll be around when it finishes.

Edit-> www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz) ...Right click or ctrl/cmd click to save the file. Download at your own risk... the file may not play if it's not complete.

[Robert Mott]

OK..

Download is working now, the file is now a gzip (.gz) archive and that saves just a few bytes. I haven't been able to determine if the 2GB was a factor or not (it's not supposed to be). There are some file ID settings that are hosed on the server and QT / .mov is one of them. I don't have time to troubleshoot them right now with a hosting tech, but will do so in the morning. The file and server are remote to me, I am downloading the file right now via HTTP and it seems to be working. I'm getting about 400KB/sec, so speed is acceptable, but not great. I'm hoping it can sustain at least 150KB/s once people start going after it.

Anyway, go for it if you would like. However, I can't guarantee that the file is good. I haven't got confirmation yet from Jarred if the file size the server reports is good and I won't know if it's good until later tonight when I can play the file. I have to take off in a bit and don't think I'll be around when it finishes.

Edit-> www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz (http://www.mummydust.com/red/CTL_Trailer.mov.gz) ...Right click or ctrl/cmd click to save the file. Download at your own risk... the file may not play if it's not complete.
Did not take.

[luis bustamante]

Download is working now

thanks so much, already downloading, I'm getting 110k/s so I'll report back in 5 hours!

[Robert Mott]

Got it this time, the ending didn't seem to flow... Picture is gorgeous.

[Ben Feuer]

Thanks for donating your bandwidth to the cause, Jeff. Early adopters should toss up a torrent - I'll help seed...

[Zach Nelson]

I'm getting an error 2048 "Couldn't open the file CTL_Trailer.mov because it is not a file that QuickTime understands."

I'm on Vista ...

[Proteus]

1. No need to re-download the file. Just rename the CTL_Trailer.mov.mov to CTL_Trailer.mov.gz end extract.

2. The codec that has been used is the apch "Prores" so there is no hope for anyone running Windows to playback the movie. Only Mac users with the FCP installed will be able to see it. I hope that's not the intention...

For Windows users I would suggest a WMV advanced profile (VC-1) encode at average 10Mbit and maximum quality. That would be a good sample.
(I've done some HD tests and I found that x264 and Nero Recode's h264 are not comparable to WMV advanced profile). You can use Premiere Pro 2 for the encode.

[Zach Nelson]

i feel so left out

[McDiver]

For universal compatibility, an On2's Flix Pro encoding to Flash might be the best option.
There's a SteamingMedia evaluation of Microsoft's latest, and their conclusion seems to be:
"So, clearly there's little reason to switch from Flash or QuickTime to WMV. On the other hand, the improvements in quality you can achieve by using the latest WMV codecs make switching to them a no-brainer. As long as you pay attention to the details, your audience will thank you."
http://www.streamingmedia.com/article.asp?id=9659&page=5&c=8

Ironically, they felt the ON2 Flash encoding was slightly better than Apple's H264 encoding using Compressor. Who'd have thunk?
Then again, if you just up the data rate, all of these codecs would look pristine.

[Poi Boy]

wmv, simply the worst.
-A

[Proteus]

wmv, simply the worst.
-A


That's what I thought too (long ago), until recently, when I tried to encode Full HD 1080p@60fps with footage that contained subtle color gradients.

There was banding all over the place and/or noise etc at 10-16Mbit maximum bitrate (each codec's maximum) of x264, Xvid, Mainconcept h264 (that couldn't even encode to 60p although it was supposed to) and Nero Digital AVC (h264).
With WMV advanced profile at 10Mbit average, two pass, quality at max, encode was of the highest quality, and no banding at all (although a slow process).
I'm sure a better, professional (and prohibitively expensive) h264 encoder would provide very good results...