my POCKET CINEMA rig

[Robert Batta]

Hi All,

this is my new little cinema rig
height 2 kg :)

download the 720p (PAL 25p) demo video:
http://files.filefront.com/pocket+cinema+720pm2t/;8383475;;/fileinfo.html

[Yannick Hagman]

How did you mount the cam exactly?

[Rocco Schult]

didn't want to download the MPEG2. What cam is it ?
looks interesting.

[Robert Batta]

How did you mount the cam exactly?

i hardmounted and supported with cavision plate

[Robert Batta]

didn't want to download the MPEG2. What cam is it ?
looks interesting.

is Canon HV10

some snapshots from the video:

[kmikami]

Where did you film that?

[Robert Batta]

Where did you film that?

in Miskolc :) (Hungary)

[Roberto B]

Hi All,

this is my new little cinema rig
height 2 kg :)

download the 720p (PAL 25p) demo video:
http://files.filefront.com/pocket+cinema+720pm2t/;8383475;;/fileinfo.html

where can me get one?..

edit
let us know a comprehensive accessories list please..

[Robert Batta]

where can me get one?..

edit
let us know a comprehensive accessories list please..

adapter tutorial:
http://www.jetsetmodels.info/pics/vh57x_tut.pdf

[Robert Batta]

and my setup:

Canon HV10 -> 37-43 step up -> macro set (Raynox DCR-250 -> 49-52 step up -> and +4 asian macro) -> 52-55 step up -> 35mm "Daniel's GG" DOF adapter (VH57X from Daniel's GG-holders http://www.jetsetmodels.info/vibrating.htm) -> 50mm F1.4 Carl Zeiss Jena -> matte box (from ebay) -> Cavision R15B80 rod support and SpiderBrace2

[Roberto B]

suta is beautiful.. you're there.. there's an indie free style over there..

vs brevis, what would it be your bet?..

on the other hand, i'm looking for PL & OCT-19 mounts.. i have some cine glass for the job..

[Priyesh P.]

At first I thought it was some old canon super8 camera attached to a 35mm adaptor...

[Unwounded]

At first I thought it was some old canon super8 camera attached to a 35mm adaptor...

That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. I was thinking "wow,....they're posting goofy pics of retro cameras now.....we really are out of things to post till they start shipping the first reds". But that's actually kinda cool now that I know.

[Andrew Benz]

Suta, your a little bad ass!! I am dying to put something like this together and not wait for the RED Rock Rig (though much respect is given). I have looked at all the adapters for years and never pulled the trigger (Cinemek, Hello?). I really want to put together a similar rig to shoot the LART in October, but cannot get my hands on an adapter for that time any more hints or help from this community is greatly appreciated.

Cheers-- Andrew

[Andrew Benz]

At first I thought it was some old canon super8 camera attached to a 35mm adaptor...

Hi Priyesh

I hope your well sir... I thought the same thing!

Got your e-mail, thank you very much. Been slammed lately.

Cheers-- Andrew

[Emanuel A.]

Hey Andrew, were you a Guerila35 follower too?

[Andrew Benz]

Hey Andrew, were you a Guerila35 follower too?

:biggrin: Haha... Yup... and after a few months of deliberation I was about to put a deposit down when all the sudden... the website changed a little and they were no longer taking deposits. Its sad really, I thought they had something there...

Hey E. what do you think about Suta's rig, I am just now beginning my research that Suta laid out to Filmmakers Gang (BTW FMG-- I agree great indie spirit there...). Is this an adapter or the instructions on how to build one or both? I would love an SGpro but the waiting period is a killer for me.. I have access to a M2 as a last resort. I really need to put together a hv20 rig for the LART. Any and all help will be to everyones benefit here at reduser.

Thank you Emanuel.. still waiting on you to return the pm about that project. :-)

Cheers my friend-- Andrew

[Emanuel A.]

Hey E. what do you think about Suta's rig, I am just now beginning my research that Suta laid out to Filmmakers Gang (BTW FMG-- I agree great indie spirit there...). Is this an adapter or the instructions on how to build one or both? I would love an SGpro but the waiting period is a killer for me.. I have access to a M2 as a last resort. I really need to put together a hv20 rig for the LART. Any and all help will be to everyones benefit here at reduser.You know Andrew, I'm a HV20 lover. Actually, I'm buying three of them. It's an amazing dream camcorder. My mistress... :) Or shall RED be "the" ONE when arrive?... :umm: :unsure: LOL

My doubt is between Brevis and now this one though there's a brazilian one that has gathered my attention too.


Thank you Emanuel.. still waiting on you to return the pm about that project. :-)

Cheers my friend-- AndrewThis is a project for life. I'm very stubborn -- I hope to have chosen the right translation :) when I make a point with no return, it's for life. You'll have news. For life, my friend! ;-)

[Bruce Allen]

I really want to put together a similar rig to shoot the LART in October, but cannot get my hands on an adapter for that time any more hints or help from this community is greatly appreciated.


Andrew - I have a brand-new SGpro r3 (as well as Nikon lenses, a HV20, a Zacuto shoulder mount system and a 1.2K HMI ;). I already offered everything I own to the LART. Was denied. If you need any of my stuff, PM me. You may borrow it with pleasure.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Andrew Benz]

You know Andrew, I'm a HV20 lover. Actually, I'm buying three of them. It's an amazing dream camcorder. My mistress... :) Or shall RED be "the" ONE when arrive?... :umm: :unsure: LOL

My doubt is between Brevis and now this one though there's a brazilian one that has gathered my attention too.

As a matter of fact E. it was you and Bruce that got my attention on this little gem and made me realise the potential. I will do my due diligence and start making calls to the various manufacturers. Now, I a yen for the Brazilians, please give us a link I would love to check it out.

--- One question, does anyone know off the top of their head how the RED Rock guys made the actual physical connection between the canon xl1 eye piece to the hv20?



This is a project for life. I'm very stubborn -- I hope to have chosen the right translation :) when I make a point with no return, it's for life. You'll have news. For life, my friend! ;-)

That's what I thought, I just wanted to make sure... but we should spend some time to flesh it out more... I look forward to all of our creative ventures, you have been a great resource and friend.

Cheers-- Andrew

[Emanuel A.]

As a matter of fact E. it was you and Bruce that got my attention on this little gem and made me realise the potential. I will do my due diligence and start making calls to the various manufacturers. Now, I a yen for the Brazilians, please give us a link I would love to check it out.
Bruce is actually a real nice guy, very indie indeed. One of us. Here's the link:

http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=1760

Lovely forum.

[Robert Batta]

suta is beautiful.. you're there.. there's an indie free style over there..

vs brevis, what would it be your bet?..

on the other hand, i'm looking for PL & OCT-19 mounts.. i have some cine glass for the job..

Hi ,Filmmaker's gang

thanks :)

vs Brevis....hmmm maybe my DOF adapter a little bit more sharpness than Brevis35 (but not sure)... very bright ( much-much bright than my Redrock M2 !) thanks the Canon Ee-A focusing screen

sorry my bad english :innocent:

[Emanuel A.]

Send a PM to rawfa @dvxuser.com -- he's a nice good fellow* and very knowledge on these rigs. He already had Letus, M2 and Brevis (his choice).

* El señor (he's still waiting for his nick @dvxuser.com so if you Jarred will read this, leave there the add-on -- he deserves it! Half brazilian, half portuguese (actually, cousin of a former teacher of mine and filmmaker too, former Jean Renoir's assistant -- go figure! His cousin's name is Paulo Rocha [ LINK (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0733846/) ] The world is actually a small place!)

[Emanuel A.]

Hi ,Filmmaker's gang

thanks :)

vs Brevis....hmmm maybe my DOF adapter a little bit more sharpness than Brevis35 (but not sure)... very bright ( much-much bright than my Redrock M2 !) thanks the Canon Ee-A focusing screenWhat's the low lighting performance? Same thing?


sorry my bad english :innocent::) Welcome aboard! ;-)

[Robert Batta]

What's the low lighting performance? Same thing?

:) Welcome aboard! ;-)

yes, very good in low light situations !

with HV20 much better..;)

[Andrew Benz]

BTW Bruce, I was replying to Emanuel and just saw this!


Andrew - I have a brand-new SGpro r3 (as well as Nikon lenses, a HV20, a Zacuto shoulder mount system and a 1.2K HMI ;). I already offered everything I own to the LART. Was denied. If you need any of my stuff, PM me. You may borrow it with pleasure.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com



Bruce,

I remember the offer and Gibby greatly appreciated it, but he has been inundated with all kinds of gear and goodwill... it was probably a matter of where to plug it into the process and keep up with it to make sure it is safe and cared for properly.

Bruce, this is awesome, I am smiling from ear to ear right now! This is huge and of course you will be fully credited at every opportunity. The other great thing is... I get to meet you and hang out a little! Haha... Also, what a great list of gear, I have been following the various forums and posts about the very thoughtful and logical process that led you to get this great gear.

I hope to get into LA a few days before the LART so I can shoot some very specific elements for the bts docco --ie, tabletop footage of all the various lenses (and other gear) being donated so everyone can get a good look from noob to pro on everything that is being used and how it is being implemented into RED's system of modularity. Plus many more things...

Bruce, you are a saviour and a godsend sir, I need to get to sleep soon but I will pm you shortly. You have my sincere thanks from me and everyone associated w/ LART.

Cheers -- Andrew

[Emanuel A.]

yes, very good in low light situations !

with HV20 much better..;)Much better with HV20? Why? How much light you lose?

By the way, where do you accessorize it? How much?

[Robert Batta]

Much better with HV20? Why? How much light you lose?

By the way, where do you accessorize it? How much?

this adapter with HV20 better than my actual setup (HV10)

ok i have two rigs:

1. HV20 + Redrock M2
link:
http://www.redrockmicro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3957

2. HV10 + self made vibrating adapter (this actual thread)

[Emanuel A.]

Your impression on both Robert?

M2 vs. this hungarian adapter (sorry but I don't remember yet the name)

and BTW, HV20 vs. HV10 -- isn't it the same thing grosso modo? Although I'm talking about losses from the adapters themselves, not between different camcorder models...

[Andrew Benz]

Hey Robert (aka Suta)

Sorry for semi highjacking your thread, but what can I say other than that your cool rig and demo inspired me to speak up and get moving. Thank you for the great info!

Andrew

[Robert Batta]

Your impression on both Robert?

M2 vs. this hungarian adapter (sorry but I don't remember yet the name)

and BTW, HV20 vs. HV10 -- isn't it the same thing grosso modo? Although I'm talking about losses from the adapters themselves, not between different camcorder models...

Emanuel,

this is my adapter tutorial:
http://www.jetsetmodels.info/pics/vh57x_tut.pdf

and the products:
http://www.jetsetmodels.info/products.htm

but is not mine ! :)

[Roberto B]

http://www.redrockmicro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3957
do you also have any tutorial for your friends?.. or their contact? :wink:

[Robert Batta]

do you also have any tutorial for your friends?.. or their contact? :wink:

check the #31 post ;)

[Emanuel A.]

Robert, knowing filmmaker's gang I bet he's trying to refer about your ladies friends...

On the other subject and also asked for the same poster, is there any chance for cine lenses mounts like those previously referred (PL and OCT19) ?

[Robert Batta]

Robert, knowing filmmaker's gang I bet he's trying to refer about your ladies friends...

On the other subject and also asked for the same poster, is there any chance for cine lenses mounts like those previously referred (PL and OCT19) ?

ohh some links is a problem ?
sorry...

[Robert Batta]

PL and OCT19 not possible ( in my opinion)
is a Canon EOS mount .. (extension macro tube)

[Roberto B]

hey suta, perhaps may you help here:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3898

your lens doesn't seem to breathe so much comparing others at SLR side, right?

[Robert Batta]

hey suta, perhaps may you help here:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3898

your lens doesn't seem to breathe so much comparing others at SLR side, right?

ok i have this lens:

Sigma 20mm f1.8
Canon FL 55mm f1.2
Zeiss Jena 50mm f1.8
Super Takumar SMC 50mm f1.4
Zeiss Jena 35mm f2.8
Photex Tilt&Shift 35mm f2.8
Porst MC 135mm f2.8

later i making test footages with this lens ...

[Bruce Allen]

Awesome rig. Cheers Suta!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[Priyesh P.]

Hi Priyesh

I hope your well sir... I thought the same thing!
Hi Andrew, everything's fine - the city is waiting for your visit :-)
- about this camera: maybe I had something like the attached camera in mind...



Got your e-mail, thank you very much. Been slammed lately.

Cheers-- Andrew
You're welcome!

Best regards,

Priyesh

[Robert Batta]

Awesome rig. Cheers Suta!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

thanks Bruce ! :-)

[Simon Smith]

Nice rig. Pic very sharp for an adapter.

[Steve Gibby]

Andrew - I have a brand-new SGpro r3 (as well as Nikon lenses, a HV20, a Zacuto shoulder mount system and a 1.2K HMI ;). I already offered everything I own to the LART. Was denied. If you need any of my stuff, PM me. You may borrow it with pleasure.

All offers for assistance to LART were/are appreciated, but obviously we only have so much room on the team, facility space, and time/space for equipment usage. Your offer was very much appreciated, but as producers of the event we went a different direction on camera equipment.



I hope to get into LA a few days before the LART so I can shoot some very specific elements for the bts docco --ie, tabletop footage of all the various lenses (and other gear) being donated so everyone can get a good look from noob to pro on everything that is being used and how it is being implemented into RED's system of modularity. Plus many more things...

Bruce, you are a saviour and a godsend sir, I need to get to sleep soon but I will pm you shortly. You have my sincere thanks from me and everyone associated w/ LART.


Andrew, as noted above, we have some other plans for equipment for you to use. Communicate with me via email and I’ll explain. Because of a busy production schedule the info on the camera equipment we’d like you to use hasn’t been communicated to you. Sorry about that - my bad. Thanks for your proactive support for LART Andrew. Much appreciated…

[Bruce Allen]

Suta, by the way, have you tried different placing the GG further away from the HV20 via an extension tube? I am finding that sometimes that helps combat vignette a bit. I also PM'ed you about more stuff.



and BTW, HV20 vs. HV10 -- isn't it the same thing grosso modo? Although I'm talking about losses from the adapters themselves, not between different camcorder models...

HV20 is slightly better in low light than the HV10 because it has better noise reduction and also it has the 24p mode, which is more sensitive.

BTW, the thread hijacking continues... I'm very sorry. Come to LA and I will seriously buy you a ton of beers / dinner (in LA, a ton of beers is probably more expensive!).

>



Andrew, as noted above, we have some other plans for equipment for you to use. Communicate with me via email and I’ll explain.

Haha, I'm denied again! Gibby, I still love all of the invaluable advice you give on the forums (tripods and whatnot), so no problem. As a director I must admit that I've used "I'm sorry, but we're going in a different direction" once in order to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they'll enjoy the trip too ;) Hope you don't mean it that way though! I think I also offered to buy you lunch / drinks / dinner or something too when you're in LA - if you can find time for it, let me know, seriously. And I said you should stop by by the trailer company I work at so we can start using some nice 4K stock footage in our trailers ;)

Andrew, I was rather wondering why someone didn't just offer you their Red... it's going to be in October, after all! Looks like you're in luck ;) My stuff and my help will still be there if you need it but it looks like you might not be needing it. Have fun! Still hope to meet you.

>

Sorry, Suta. Okay, another question - the SpiderBrace looked to put the center of gravity too far forward to me, so I went with the Zacuto system. But yours is so light overall that it still works okay? It looks very elegant and fantastic, by the way.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[chuck colburn]

Hi Bruce,

What kinda trailers does the company make you work for?
I've been thinking about getting a new one for my Glaspar mini cabin crusier.
It's 16.5 feet long and has a beam of about 73 inches.

Chuck

[Bruce Allen]

Hi Bruce,

What kinda trailers does the company make you work for?
I've been thinking about getting a new one for my Glaspar mini cabin crusier.
It's 16.5 feet long and has a beam of about 73 inches.

Chuck

Sweet! With a nice boat like that, you'll definitely need a good trailer to do it justice. We do some pretty big trailers, so we'd be fine with your order. We're called mOcean so as you can tell, we love anything water-related.

I work on mostly the trailer titles so if you need some words painted across the side of your trailer saying "The World Ends This October" (preferably Trajan font, with bevel and shine), I'm your man. PM me.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

[chuck colburn]

LOL

Mayby on the transom too!

[Robert Batta]

Suta, by the way, have you tried different placing the GG further away from the HV20 via an extension tube? I am finding that sometimes that helps combat vignette a bit. I also PM'ed you about more stuff.


Sorry, Suta. Okay, another question - the SpiderBrace looked to put the center of gravity too far forward to me, so I went with the Zacuto system. But yours is so light overall that it still works okay? It looks very elegant and fantastic, by the way.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Bruce,

i not trying the new vibra adapter with HV20... maybe later ( if your question not this ..sorry my bad english translate)

SpiderBrace:
i like it ..
please see this music video :
http://files.filefront.com/szatmari+vs+mosquito+i+wa1mpg/;8411745;;/fileinfo.html

This is a first job with my other Redrock M2+HV20 rig and all footages make with SpiderBrace (shoulder mounted or with strap)

the strap+SpiderBrace combo is very stable and easy focusing !!

[Robert Batta]

ok here is my new short film
i not use SpiderBrace...only handheld shots (little shaky)

...enjoy :)

http://files.filefront.com/bogi+streammov/;8412471;;/fileinfo.html

720p screenshots:

[Robert Batta]

more screenshots:

[Robert Batta]

this is my new home made top handle grip and lcd hood update

[Tom Lowe]

Haha, pretty nice.

[Robert Batta]

good handy balance like a figrig..

[Robert Batta]

i tested my 35mm vibration DOF adapter with HV20 in low light

HV20 in 25p and cine mode
shutter 1/25

720p .m2t sample footage (28MB):
http://files.filefront.com/hv20+rig+720pm2t/;8645072;/fileinfo.html

and some rig pics :

[Garth Philpot]

great looking footage for pennies ...

[Robert Batta]

hi All,

i make with my pocket cinema rig (canon hv20+daniel's 35mm vibrating adapter)
this music video

the singer footage make with canon hv10 (no dof adapter) and the other footages with the pocket cinema rig

video download here:
http://files.filefront.com/kefir+jatszom+web+1mpg/;9203687;/fileinfo.html

i put some frame grabs

enjoy :)

[John Fairstein]

Suta (Robert) -- Thank you for the camera info, the movies and clips. You are a great artist! I especially liked bogi_stream.mov. -- John

[vincelucero]

Kick ass man. Reminiscent of the old handheld 8mm's or Arri's. Great look.

I've been looking at those canons closely. Great images. Are they all color corrected in post? I heard the downfall is lack of manual controls like IRIS! How does this affect your shooting (if at all) or is the auto iris good?

[SIRAJ KUMKHE]

i think he must goin redteam:)

[Robert Batta]

a pleasure :)))

thanks

[Robert Batta]

Kick ass man. Reminiscent of the old handheld 8mm's or Arri's. Great look.

I've been looking at those canons closely. Great images. Are they all color corrected in post? I heard the downfall is lack of manual controls like IRIS! How does this affect your shooting (if at all) or is the auto iris good?

thanks Vincelucero,

yes is color corrected in Edius Pro

i use the HV20 in cine mode and fixed all footages with exposure func.
use a Chinon Auto 50mm f1.9 lens at f4 + vibrating DOF adapter

[Robert Batta]

this music video shot with my ProDOF-V 35mm cinema dof adapter and Canon HV20

http://www.vimeo.com:80/1270368
or
http://www.vimeo.com/1276803 (this better audio sync)

lens:
Sigma 20mm f1.8
Canon 50mm f1.8 mkII
Fujinon-T 100mm f2.8
Sigma 28mm-105mm f2.8-f4 zoom lens

post done in Edius Pro with white balance, color balance, YUV curve, strobe, old movie and sharpness plugins

enjoy :)

[Vico Martin]

Wow, Jetsetmodel people are amazing, they can cut Aluminium and create a piece!

And look at this cost!!

Really interesting Stua, thanks for this contact.

[Vico Martin]

Hungarian black metal Rocks!

And the lenses rocks too, congrats!!, incredibole sharp of the Sigma 20!!

[Robert Batta]

This hungarian music video making with ProDOF-V and ProDOF-S 35mm dof adapters with Canon HV20 and HV30

video:
http://www.vimeo.com/1810601

ProDOF-S & HV30 rig:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/2870419952_ae5531ace2.jpg

ProDOF-S screengrabs:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/2886857959_4a032ce9f7_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2886857955_d52b69888c_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2886857967_f24e607e74_o.jpg

[Robert Batta]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2886857963_af1a994d25_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/2886865393_a43a0f8acd_o.jpg