Red Import Duty

[Damian Grady]

Hi,

We're just waiting to take delivery of our Red One and obviously we'll be paying VAT on it when it hits UK Shores. As well as VAT there's also import duty to factor in but does anyone know which category the Red One comes under because there are a few that could apply and their rates range from 0% to about 7%.

For instance, if it's classed as a digital camera the rate is 0%, but if it's a camcorder then the rate is 4.2%.

If anyone knows the answer, please do tell.

Cheers

[John Winzar]

The International Tariff Code relevant to the RED camera identifies it as a digital still camera so you are looking good

[Michael Stanmore]

Damian, I cannot stress this enough:

IF you have a bunch of stuff on order that are all coming in the same shipment:

FEDEX WILL TRY TO APPLY 1 (ONE) TARIC CODE ONLY TO THE ENTIRE SHIPMENT!!!

Worse still they will chose THE HIGHEST ONE!!!

For us, that was the LCD monitor... somewhere in the teens... like 14% or so.

So when they called and told me we had £4000 to pay in VAT and ID I said... you're 'aving a laugh mate...

They admitted their system is totally stupid and retarded and told me to Email them the Taric codes of each individual item in the shipment.

Which I did...

Since most of the items (including the Red One body) are 0%... they decided to apply that across the whole shipment

and consequently I DID NOT pay import duty on anything.

Just the VAT of course... no getting round that.


So PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT let them have their way. They are morons and don't deserve a dirty penny more than their due.



Having ranted thusly... I can't remember where I put the TARIC codes for all the gear... but I found them somewhere here on Reduser... so if you do some searching, you'll find them.

Good luck.

[Damian Grady]

Hey Michael/John,

Thanks for your replies. Much appreciated. I'll certainly look out for Fedex pulling that trick Michael.

Quick question, can the guys at Red not classify the items on dispatch? Otherwise how do fedex know what is in the boxes? It would save a lot of messing about surely?

[Dave Blackham]

Damian, I cannot stress this enough:

IF you have a bunch of stuff on order that are all coming in the same shipment:

FEDEX WILL TRY TO APPLY 1 (ONE) TARIC CODE ONLY TO THE ENTIRE SHIPMENT!!!

Worse still they will chose THE HIGHEST ONE!!!

For us, that was the LCD monitor... somewhere in the teens... like 14% or so.

So when they called and told me we had £4000 to pay in VAT and ID I said... you're 'aving a laugh mate...

They admitted their system is totally stupid and retarded and told me to Email them the Taric codes of each individual item in the shipment.

Which I did...

Since most of the items (including the Red One body) are 0%... they decided to apply that across the whole shipment

and consequently I DID NOT pay import duty on anything.

Just the VAT of course... no getting round that.


So PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT let them have their way. They are morons and don't deserve a dirty penny more than their due.



Having ranted thusly... I can't remember where I put the TARIC codes for all the gear... but I found them somewhere here on Reduser... so if you do some searching, you'll find them.

Good luck.

Yes they did this to me and Im still trying to sort it out after 18 months. its a digital stills camera which is a low taric code not the video one........

This is is what I was told by Red who have been very helpful.

HTS shown on our invoices is from the United States Harmonized Tariff Schedule - 8525.80.5050.

Each country has minor variances to the last 4 digits of the classification. It is our understanding that for the European Union, the proper tariff code is EU-TARIC 8525.80.9100; however, you need to double check with a local Customs broker.


The link to the EU site is here.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&Type=&Action=1&Lang=EN&SimDate=20091116&YesNo=1&Indent=-1&Flag=1&Test=tarchap&Periodic=0&Download=0&Taric=8525809100&taric=Browse&Country=----------&Day=16&Month=11&Year=2009#OK

[Michael Lindsay]

Michael's point is good..

At least he sees method to custom madness. I thought they just made it up as they went along. One of my cameras I paid a fortune in duties and the other I paid nearly nothing.

I've started getting my Red stuff from Red pinewood for this very reason.

regards

Michael L

[Damian Grady]

I've started getting my Red stuff from Red pinewood for this very reason.

regards

Michael L

I thought you could only get Red from red.com?

[John Winzar]

Hey Michael/John,

Thanks for your replies. Much appreciated. I'll certainly look out for Fedex pulling that trick Michael.

Quick question, can the guys at Red not classify the items on dispatch? Otherwise how do fedex know what is in the boxes? It would save a lot of messing about surely?

RED do supply the classification - we recieved a complete list with the code for each component as part of the invoicing documentation.
8525.80.5050 is the magic number for Australia which describes a digital still camera.
I am surprised to see in another post the suggestion that 8525.80.9100 is considered appropriate in Europe - this appears to describe a digital video recorder or some similar technology which the RED is certainly not

[ericyoung]

Think UK TARIC code should be 8525.80.3000 as a digital stills camera - 0% customs import duty. Everything else being an accessory for digital stills camera should be 8529902000. And yes, it's worth querying if more than 0% duty is applied.

[Damian Grady]

RED do supply the classification - we recieved a complete list with the code for each component as part of the invoicing documentation.
8525.80.5050 is the magic number for Australia which describes a digital still camera.
I am surprised to see in another post the suggestion that 8525.80.9100 is considered appropriate in Europe - this appears to describe a digital video recorder or some similar technology which the RED is certainly not

A member of the Bomb Squad at Red quoted 8525809100 too. There seems to be a lot of different numbers being posted I honestly don't know which is the right one.

[Damian Grady]

Yes they did this to me and Im still trying to sort it out after 18 months. its a digital stills camera which is a low taric code not the video one........

This is is what I was told by Red who have been very helpful.

HTS shown on our invoices is from the United States Harmonized Tariff Schedule - 8525.80.5050.

Each country has minor variances to the last 4 digits of the classification. It is our understanding that for the European Union, the proper tariff code is EU-TARIC 8525.80.9100; however, you need to double check with a local Customs broker.


The link to the EU site is here.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tarchap?ProdLine=80&Type=&Action=1&Lang=EN&SimDate=20091116&YesNo=1&Indent=-1&Flag=1&Test=tarchap&Periodic=0&Download=0&Taric=8525809100&taric=Browse&Country=----------&Day=16&Month=11&Year=2009#OK

I guess the problem is, If I check with a local broker, what do I tell them the RED One is? Video Camera? Digital Camera? Digital Still Camera?

Help!

[Michael Stanmore]

I have to head out to work now, but when I get back... I'll dig through my archives and see if I can find the ones we used.. which are for the UK.

It sounds as though the difference in codes are because the USA uses different codes... and maybe Oz uses different codes too... so you need UK ones... I'll try to find mine.

Mik.

[Damian Grady]

I have to head out to work now, but when I get back... I'll dig through my archives and see if I can find the ones we used.. which are for the UK.

It sounds as though the difference in codes are because the USA uses different codes... and maybe Oz uses different codes too... so you need UK ones... I'll try to find mine.

Mik.

Thanks Mik. That would be great!

[ericyoung]

RED can only put their own US codes on for export - which differ in the last 4 digits.

Coming into the EU, the UK code should be 0% 8525 80 3000 for "Digital Cameras", which is what you should quote to Fedex if there is a dispute. Just tell them that this is the usual code which has been used for RED One cameras have been imported into the UK.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds/cgi-bin/tardesc?ProdLine=80&Type=&Action=1&Lang=EN&SimDate=20091116&YesNo=1&Indent=-1&Flag=1&Test=null&Periodic=0&Download=0&Taric=8525803000&Country=US%2F0400&Day=16&Month=11&Year=2009

[nigelsmith]

That's why I ordered a Red one and all accessories from Red Europe Ltd at Pinewood.
It saves worrying about all this stuff, and it's where your camera will go for any warranty issues.
Alan Piper there is very helpful.

[Damian Grady]

I Didn't even know you could order the Red One anywhere other than via Red.com. Why did Red not recommend the Pinewood option when they knew I was ordering from the UK?

[Antony M]

That's why I ordered a Red one and all accessories from Red Europe Ltd at Pinewood.
It saves worrying about all this stuff, and it's where your camera will go for any warranty issues.

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My camera had to go back to the USA 3 weeks ago. No option to send it to Pinewood.

[ericyoung]

Alan Piper at Pinewood is super helpful, but RED Pinewood sadly still does not appear to be a full facility repair centre, unlike RED Canada it seems. Don't know about RED Japan.

Reminds me I must get round to sending off my RED dead 16GB CF card to RED USA asap...!

[Michael Stanmore]

damn it. I don't have those TARIC codes on the external drive I have with me here. The codes are with my files back in London... but I'm not going to have access to those for a while... I'm really sorry...

But seriously... they're up on the site here somewhere. Good luck.

Mik.

[Antony M]

TARIC codes:

Camera 8525 80 30 00 = 0%
Accessories 8529 90 20 00 = 0%
Battery pack 8507 80 00 00 = 0%
Drives 8471 70 90 00 or 8523291500 = 0%
LCD 8531 20 00 20 or 8528599020 ?? = 14%
8gig card 8542 32 00 23
Various cast handles etc 7616 99 50 60
Rods 7228 40 00 00
Bolt set 7318 22 00 00
Camera lens 90021100 50 = 6.70%
T Shirts 61091000 00 = 12.00%

[Michael Stanmore]

Good stuff Antony.

Remember to ITEMISE the accessories one by one... and beside each put the taric code that is 0%.

An overworked Fedex guy will look down the list... see all the 0% ones vastly outvoting anything else... and apply 0% to the lot.

:)

[Damian Grady]

Thanks Antony, you absolute star!

Michael, how do I get fedex to see these EU/UK numbers if Red fill in all the documentation at their end and with american numbers?

I've not ordered something this complicated from overseas before so please excuse my noobness.

cheers

[Michael Stanmore]

Oh don't worry about that. When the gear shows up in the UK (probably at their depot at Gatwick), they'll give you a call to talk about paying for the VAT and import tax.

It's at this stage that you say "WHAT??? £4000 of import tax? I don't think so me ol' mucker!" and the conversation goes on from there.

[Alan Piper]

Gents, I only just spotted this thread, so excuse the late response;
RED Europe at Pinewood sells the full range of RED products, including the RED One camera body. There is no restriction however to stop you ordering direct from RED.com, and there is no automatic mechanism which re-directs any orders placed on-line. We do not force you to buy from one point-of-sale or another. That is totally up to you, the customer.
RED Europe UK prices are in Sterling and include freight, insurance and Import Duty into the UK (EU). The Harmonised Tariff Codes in use in the EU differ from those in use within the US and are open to some interpretation.
After extensive consultation and agreement with HMRC in the UK, the R1 camera body is coded as 8525.8091.00 and attracts an import duty of 4.9%, which must be applied to the inclusive value of the product, plus freight and insurance. Different products carry different codes of course.
If you are importing the product yourself, and manage to get a zero % import duty applied, please remember that HMRC (and Customs in other EU countries) have the right to impose retrospective taxation if they decide....

As to Pinewood being up to full service ability; we are close. Not just yet, but close.

[ericyoung]

...After extensive consultation and agreement with HMRC in the UK, the R1 camera body is coded as 8525.8091.00 and attracts an import duty of 4.9%, which must be applied to the inclusive value of the product, plus freight and insurance...
If you are importing the product yourself, and manage to get a zero % import duty applied, please remember that HMRC (and Customs in other EU countries) have the right to impose retrospective taxation if they decide....

Damn, that that's unfortunate. :sad: I assume you did try to get a 0% rating?


As to Pinewood being up to full service ability; we are close. Not just yet, but close.

That's really good news! Please post when you're there. :biggrin:

[ericyoung]

Will DSMC cameras be 0% as they are half a digital stills camera?!

[Damian Grady]

Just to add a bit more confusion to the debate, Red emailed me and said that the Red One shipment will be described as a "Video Digital Still Camera" on the shipment documents.

This is like an episode of 'SOAP'. :D

[Ed Watkins]

Hey Alan,

Will Pinewood be able to do the Epic trade ins?
It'd be nice to be able to send our R1 body to Pinewood rather than to the US.

Thanks,

Ed.


Gents, I only just spotted this thread, so excuse the late response;
RED Europe at Pinewood sells the full range of RED products, including the RED One camera body. There is no restriction however to stop you ordering direct from RED.com, and there is no automatic mechanism which re-directs any orders placed on-line. We do not force you to buy from one point-of-sale or another. That is totally up to you, the customer.
RED Europe UK prices are in Sterling and include freight, insurance and Import Duty into the UK (EU). The Harmonised Tariff Codes in use in the EU differ from those in use within the US and are open to some interpretation.
After extensive consultation and agreement with HMRC in the UK, the R1 camera body is coded as 8525.8091.00 and attracts an import duty of 4.9%, which must be applied to the inclusive value of the product, plus freight and insurance. Different products carry different codes of course.
If you are importing the product yourself, and manage to get a zero % import duty applied, please remember that HMRC (and Customs in other EU countries) have the right to impose retrospective taxation if they decide....

As to Pinewood being up to full service ability; we are close. Not just yet, but close.

[Damian Grady]

Here's a question that I'm sure someone knows the answer to. When our Red One arrives from the US the value of our order on the shipment will be just under $40,000. Obviously to work out the duty and VAT payable that amount has to be converted in to GBP, so what exchange rate do they use?

[Stephen Williams]

Here's a question that I'm sure someone knows the answer to. When our Red One arrives from the US the value of our order on the shipment will be just under $40,000. Obviously to work out the duty and VAT payable that amount has to be converted in to GBP, so what exchange rate do they use?

The rate on the day they do the paperwork

[ericyoung]

The rate on the day they do the paperwork

It doesn't change daily - HMRC sets, I believe, a monthly exchange rate to iron out daily spikes and troughs.

[Stephen Williams]

It doesn't change daily - HMRC sets, I believe, a monthly exchange rate to iron out daily spikes and troughs.

Hi Eric,

HMRC has weekly rates updates on their site
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_RatesCodesTools

Stephen