David Lynch! [Archive]

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 08:25 AM

Completely agreed, Sanjin. I admire his work but I think he made a wrong option on this one. Inland Empire could be a better pleasant watchable experience as far as wideangle stuff is concerned. There's no resolution enough to resolve on the big screen. CineAlta 900 series would had been a better route. No matters how much inconvenient that EFP-style camcorder could be though I think the RED Mini will beat the RED ONE.

jaadgy akanni

08-25-2007, 08:44 AM

David Lynch desperately needs RED at least to move to 4K digital acquisition and also finally to get rid of Sony PD150 Wide Angle lens distortion that made Inland Empire less attractive to watch.

Wow, I love Lynch but as hard as I've tried these couple of days, I can't get past the first 10 or 15 minutes of Inland Empire.

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 08:52 AM

No matters how much inconvenient that EFP-style camcorder could be though I think the RED Mini will beat the RED ONE.

Not sure if we would know anything new about RED MINI
until the next NAB. And for the release we would need to wait about
a year from now. Too far to think about it.
Also the future is now.
That's the RED ONE.
Shipping starts next Friday.

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 09:27 AM

That's my opinion, anyway. And believe it that's what Lynch would think about your suggestion on the RED ONE.

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 09:30 AM

That's my opinion, anyway. And believe it that's what Lynch would think about your suggest on the RED ONE.

Idea about the RED MINI is very OK.
And before we think about it let us see what we would
get from the RED ONE that staring next week to reach
the first reservation holders.
Looking forward to read the first impressions.
If he needs RED from November his agent could contact me anyway.

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 10:14 AM

Sanjin,

We're talking about form factor, not anything else. I don't need to have any RED ONE release in order to know what expects us. RED MINI will probably have the same 4K REDCODE RAW quality than the RED ONE but a better form factor and indie spirit, that's for sure! And Lynch would be the first one on my list, that's correct.

E.

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 10:34 AM

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 10:39 AM

A RED pocket camera will bring the delicious indie moviemaking to the anti-mainstream self determination movement where artists like David Lynch or Lars von Trier shine. They are our flags and we their children.

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 11:40 AM

Agree again.

Roberto B

08-25-2007, 11:49 AM

hey sanjin, i believe it's time for that lvt's pic.. already posted by us.. emanuel too.. post it again.. where's it?.. i could search it but the credits are yours sanjin.. this would show to this community the hood that we're made..

Roberto B

08-25-2007, 11:51 AM

here's posted by the free spririt sanjin..

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/LarsVT.jpg

where are you now stephen?..

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 12:27 PM

Yes, I took this photo from the cover of the book that I have.
Also the file is running from my server.
The publisher credits are already on the photo.
And for sure Lars is getting his hand on RED soon.

Priyesh P.

08-25-2007, 12:54 PM

I believe that Lynch won't follow your suggestions. I mean, why did he choose a pd150 instead of a dvx100? He already stated that he liked the gritty, dirty look of the pd150.

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 02:13 PM

Which suggestion are you talking about?

If it is the case of a choice around 4K for our friend Lynch, I can just agree on both parts of the original sentence. The other (part) one too. In part, that's why I've added to the Sanjin's suggestion the RED MINI's form factor though Lynch doesn't give a damn for more resolution, latitude or whatever. LVT the same.

Sanjin, I believe Filmmaker's gang is referring to your part (post) not the photo itself. Your idea on sharing your idea with us. You've actually been the author. We live in a postmodern age so there is a concept on the edge of the authoring. Who's really the author? That's what both authors are asking about the art and moviemaking itself. For example, both are true artists but probably not even according their own standards. PJ is nothing more nothing less than a copyist. Crossing the Line is the finest sample. I'm sorry guys if I may break your RED heart but now we're talking about (part of) my own work field (aesthetics) not technology nor commercial(s) presentation. :-)

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 02:46 PM

Emanuel, maybe I didn't get the point immediately because I am just jumping from tread to tread and actually I'm busy with other things now. But about that David "Lynch doesn't give a damn for more resolution, latitude or whatever" I do not know so much and I am not sure about that. Artists are so often trying to confuse the press and shock the audience with their own extravaganzas. It was always ARTISTIC CHIC to mess the outer world with that kind of smoke curtain. At the end of course that Lynch would like 4K RED acquisition, no doubts. A high film budget vs. artistic freedom is what Lynch always rolling on in his interviews. Also by the way PJ is an artist too. Just in one Jackson's New Zealand spirit I would say.

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 03:22 PM

Art is a complex predicate. Not possible to sum up in a forum discussion. What's art? Who's the artist? On the edge, we must know, we should know, that's their subject. And that's why "Lynch doesn't give a damn for more resolution, latitude or whatever". At least, as his philosophy basis. That's why kalone is saying he has preferred the PD150 dirty look instead a better performer DVX100. kalone is correct in his assertion. However, I'd recommend Gilles Deleuze as an useful reading for this matter.

Sanjin Jukic

08-25-2007, 03:40 PM

However, I'd recommend Gilles Deleuze as an useful reading for this matter.

Also to watch "L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze" 3set Gilles Deleuze interviews/lectures DVD.
Editions Montparnasse>>LINK (http://www.editionsmontparnasse.fr/fr/)

By the way David Lynch is "Cartier" guy. You should know Emanuel what does it mean exactly.

And on all those Sony PD150 "aesthetics" smoky stories I do not give a sh*t.

He had a show at Fondation Cartier pour l'art contemporain in Paris this Spring.

March 3–May 27, 2007
David Lynch, The Air is on Fire

Link>>http://fondation.cartier.com/ (http://fondation.cartier.com/)

Keith Alan Morris

08-25-2007, 03:59 PM

I taught at the college where Lynch used to pick his assistants. My wife worked in the placement department there. She shared his job postings with me. He wrote the most demanding, cool, funny job postings I've ever seen.

I shared it with over 1400 students while I taught there. His big thing looking for an audio engineer was,

"I need someone who doesn't talk, chime in, or interrupt my process at any time, who can keep quiet and do the jobs that I can't. Who can be a shadow and doesn't think they're funny, or witty or talk much, and only answers when spoken to."

He goes on which makes him sound less like a tyrant of course but I always remembered that part. I'm paraphrasing but its a good lesson for students.

His new book is fantastic. I saw him speak at Columbia in NY and he really talks like a painter. He smoked through the whole thing, he was very calm, and he never got too intellectual. I heard guys in the crowd mumble afterward, "Man if he can make it, I'll have noooo problem." I left there really saddened by my fellow peers, but inspired by his talk.

The moderator asked him how he came up with the name Mulholland Drive and he said, very dreamily, "I was driving in the darkness, and my headlights flashed across the street sign and dropped back off into the darkness, and then...the wind."

A couple students rolled their eyes. I wanted to punch them.

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 04:44 PM

Yes, I know you're a man of the philosophy too. That said, your opinion on the PJ work is not so accurate, acceptable or suitable. OK, I'll prefer this latter one in your regard. :-) As you well must and should know what I want to mean. One point I can make succeeding Deleuze. He would be interested to know «The Lord of The Rings» actually. «Crossing the Line»? I doubt. Although it is just a trailer, though all the PJ style is there. But Deleuze wouldn't call it as anything else than smokie. Both PJ samples. :) And I wouldn't quote him on the smoky PD150-dirty-like Lynch's stories.

I'm far away to stand that you don't recognize who is or was Deleuze or Lynch but I wouldn't say the same about PJ. In this case, I'd add: «...was». Being «present or even yet placed on the future». But not the Deleuze's «L'image cristale» where past, present and future take place altogether.

BTW, I like the PJ movies. Well manufactured.

Gbabymogul

08-25-2007, 05:54 PM

Interesting story KM900.

I call those dudes, tire kickers. Some are enthused about the journey, whilst others natter about the traffic...

edit: for new topic ...

ps - so dudes don't misunderstnd - short films can be many many things and they all don't have to be like the above. It's the way they've been vanilla beaned (in the marketplace of production and writing) with the rules that prompted this post... :wink:

this post is written was sponsored by beer. honey nectar. p**** remover. wheat and...

Emanuel A.

08-25-2007, 06:20 PM

I call those dudes, tire kickers. Some are enthused about the journey, whilst others natter about the traffic...

(...)

this post is written was sponsored by beer. honey nectar. p**** remover. wheat and...Hey D., as good north american as you are, you sum up my point very well. As well, Deleuze's.

:beer: :)

Gbabymogul

08-25-2007, 07:07 PM

Hey D., as good north american as you are, you sum up my point very well.

:beer: :)Haha, probably.

As well, Deleuze's.More with you. I disagree with him on Antonioni. Lol.

Don't get me wrong, I love a good popcorn flick (and may make one myself one day) but it's the lack of subtext and intelligent visual metaphor in both short and features that I decry. Also the fact that so few even try it today.

Oh well, at least i'll be screening my 'ode to
poetry and story'. Beers on me. for all my fellow revolutionaries...hehe...
:beer: ,mate.

Victor

08-25-2007, 08:11 PM

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1567556/20070821/story.jhtml

I hope he goes Red, since he says "The world has moved on" from film.

Please. The majority of movie productions still shoot FILM. For Lynch to say that the world has moved on is absurd, just like his movies. How does this guy get funding?!

Keith Alan Morris

08-25-2007, 08:58 PM

I cant find out how much the film actually cost. since he made it in his spare time, i bet it was really inexpensive. he probably funded it himself. and if he keeps shooting digital like he says he's going to, he'll probably "keep" getting funding.

i'm watching Inland Empire right now (half hour into it) and its pretty good so far. (except for the nasty fisheye crap/out of focus. oy.) He seems into the speed of digital, and I dont think Red will give that to him. There's no autofocus. :-)

Jason Murphy

08-25-2007, 09:19 PM

But he might for some project want to work on a bigger canvas, and let's face it, shooting on a RED One will still be less cumbersome and faster than shooting on film, at the very least there's no lab turnaround, and instant playback. And I'm sure Lynch would be into tapeless acquisition, as far as speed goes. But he also seems to like the texture of DV, which you're just not going to get on a RED One... :)

Regardless, Inland Empire is a great movie, but it was a strange experience to say the least (still need to see it a few more times, I think, to really get a good handle on it). I watched it at the NYFF last year, and my thought was that DV REALLY freed Lynch up. His other films are really visually and aurally sumptuous and go down smoothly. Inland Empire really felt like a hit of raw, unfiltered Lynch. It's rough, very potent stuff, but I feel like it's much closer to Lynch's personal vision than anything he's done since Eraserhead. Not that this necessarily makes it a better movie per se, but it's certainly the work of a real master. Feels almost like you're getting inside his head and swimming around in his consciousness for a few hours, which is kind of a scary place, though Lynch himself seems like a very nice guy. Heard him on NPR the other week, and he's one of the most gracious, personable interviews I've heard in awhile; not at all what you would expect from his movies.

Simon Smith

08-26-2007, 01:06 AM

Please. The majority of movie productions still shoot FILM. For Lynch to say that the world has moved on is absurd, just like his movies. How does this guy get funding?!On box office?

Sanjin Jukic

08-26-2007, 04:07 AM

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/Lynch_SonyPD150.jpg

Lynch is an artist, a pure one and filmmaker who lives in Hollywood.
He never wanted to be a box office commercial sort of successful director à la Lucas,
Spielberg, Jackson etc...class.
He lives in his own world that consists a of soft dreamlike horror.
That the best describes Hollywood as not a nice place to live at all.
He also likes women and women like him too.
David Lynch is a charming person and American
artist/filmmaker recognized oversees as creative one and influential.
By my point of view he is quite OK but not the best filmmaker in a way of
dreamlike movie making. He is still far away from a DREAMLIKE film style of
Bunuel, Fellini, Tarkovski or Kurosawa.
And all of them were much women liking too.

Jason Murphy

08-26-2007, 06:55 AM

Please. The majority of movie productions still shoot FILM. For Lynch to say that the world has moved on is absurd, just like his movies. How does this guy get funding?!

First of all, the guy makes movies cheaply. The biggest budget he's ever worked with is $45 million on Dune, which admittedly was a fair amount at the time, but nothing's been close to that since. Over the past decade or so, his main funding has come from France, where his reputation is HUGE, and his bankability is perhaps a bit higher than here, relatively. He also got some funding for Inland Empire from Poland. And basically, he shot and edited this thing on DV himself over the course of a few years; it's not going to cost that much.

The second thing is that while his movies may seem absurd, and sometimes are, they generally do seem to (often deeply) resonate with audiences in some way; they're not simply inept little movies.

And actually, if you think about it, Lynch is not so wrong about film. Most people day-to-day don't shoot film anymore; they used to 10 years ago. Also, if you look at it from a numbers perspective, most people shooting moving-image content these days (which includes TV, indies, and your little brother's YouTube productions) are not shooting film. If you look at it in terms of budget, then sure, most of the highly-budgeted major studio work is shot on film. But it's going to be hard to argue that this (relatively niche) market is representative of the world at large.