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Brook Willard
08-30-2007, 10:55 PM
With so many elements of filmmaking earning the potential for change with the RED ONE shipping tomorrow, there's one key part of every [narrative] camera department that is due for a refresh: the camera truck. As it stands, there are four key areas to a functional camera truck:

Storage space
Camera cart parking
Workbench[es] with compressor
Darkroom

Larger shows can have camera trucks ranging from 10-ton up to full 48' trailers [which is overkill for most any show]. Large camera trailers will often have a built-in generator, a significant compressor with many outlets throughout the truck, air-conditioning throughout the truck [with roll-down flaps to keep the cold air in], a giant lift gate, one or two side doors, a small lounge with some niceties [a food fridge, microwave, coffee maker, etc.], etc. There's generally a significant amount of working space, often in a clean environment [behind flaps and doors, independent of the rest of the truck and the darkroom], an array of battery chargers, etc. These things are rolling camera department embassies... some are ridiculously nice.

But with the changeover from film to a digital workflow, that darkroom is useless. Darkrooms on camera trucks will generally have a raw stock fridge and a pretty decent sized workbench inside [with compressor outlets]. But what's the point now? This is where the change starts.

With so many changes now able to happen instantly, parts of the post environment can be brought to set. We all know that a DIT/camera technician is necessary to deal with backing up footage and getting it into the post workflow, but why stop there? As I've said in the past, the possibilities now go well beyond a laptop on a magliner.

So imagine if a solid 10' or so of the truck became a veritable nerve center for the shoot. It would have several high-end Mac Pros [and a possible XServe node cluster] hooked to several displays mounted to the wall for space savings. All systems could be switched through these monitors and one keyboard/mouse.

The computers would be mounted to a series of shock-mounted racks and wired with all sorts of toys. The first and most notable feature would be a series of striped and mirrored hot-swappable RAIDs. This way, footage could be dumped onto one master server. When drives are full or ready to be sent to the editor, the drives could simply be pulled from the system and sent to the post house where they could be plugged into an equivalent RAID. Since the system would be redundant as well, a mirror of the drives could be sent elsewhere or simply locked up in a safe environment.

The next would be a series of decks [D5, DVCAM HD, you name it. It would be customized to a show's workflow]. Many shows will ship their dailies from transfer to the producers to be screened at the studio on a tape-based format. The presence of these decks in the truck would allow an instant turnaround - dailies in real-time from the set.

If a tape-based dailies workflow isn't desirable, the system could hook up to a cloud server and transfer dailies over the internet. Again, this would be up to the show... but it's a possibility with the technology available today.

The system would also have dedicated bays or adapters for the various RED storage mediums: CF readers, EX34 readers, 1.8" SATA interfaces and enough FW800 or eSATA hookups for RED DRIVEs and RED RAMs. With a truck designed from the ground-up to create a seamless interface with the camera, a very secure and purpose-built interface could be built on the desk. Recessed plugs and ports designed for nothing other than connecting to the aforementioned media.

There would be other little surprises as well... the ideas don't stop here. This is just a little taste.

So what's the workflow? The RED media gets delivered to the truck. The DIT would click the displays into an ingesting machine and start the copy to the RAID. Meanwhile, he could click the displays over to a color correcting machine and grade the footage [with the built-in 3-wheel/knob color controls built into the desk, of course] using REDCINE or another application. By creating a LUT on the fly, the DIT could transfer the settings to a SD card and take it to set. Meanwhile, on another machine connected to the same monitors, he could be editing dailies and pump them out onto tape. We're really talking about more than a DIT here... two people would probably be more suited [one in the truck, one on set], but you get the picture.

One person at one desk in the truck could safely ingest, confirm and delete footage from the media. He could also grade the footage and send a LUT to set. He could also assemble dailies and ship them out from the truck. The post process starts immediately after shooting with a setup like this.

But this is just a bloated given at this point. It's a dedicated overkill system for something that can be handled by a laptop on a set. Why bother taking it farther? And what if you need to get stuff to set? Again, the idea goes further.

As with most trucks, this truck would have a few camera carts parked inside. The carts, however, would be outfitted with a laptop and the necessary interfaces [CF reader, etc.] to ingest data on-set. The laptop would save the ingested data to a hot-swappable drive that could be returned to the camera truck during the shooting day. If the whole shooting day is handled on the camera cart, the cart could be plugged into the truck's network at the end of the day and the footage could be transferred without the need for swapping drives.

The problem with something like this is that it uses up valuable space on a camera cart. But since we're talking about a truck designed from the ground-up for RED... why not design the cart from the ground-up? There are ways to install these parts on a cart while still maintaining the sturdy work and storage space that is needed on a cart. Furthermore, the on-cart ingest system would only be used when the truck is unreasonably far away.

At any point in the day, the DIT could transfer settings [like the aforementioned potential LUT for the camera] onto a laptop [handheld] or onto the camera carts to quickly get approval or color pointers from the DP. This way, if the DP wants the DIT standing by for color tweaks, the entire process can move from the truck to set. All it takes is a wireless transfer of data or a quick plug/swap to get data synced between machines. The nature of the DP/DIT/LUT relationship is another thing that would vary from set to set.

So now there's both a truck-based and cart-based workflow. It can go farther, of course. Part of the benefit of a digital workflow is the instant turnaround time. What if the director or producers want to see dailies on-set? Obviously the playback operator has these tools at his disposal, but the workflow room of the camera truck would quickly become a popular place at lunch.

While it has no home on a camera truck, it would not be difficult to build an air-conditioned 4K theater inside of a smaller box truck. Take the footage from set, grade it and pump the 4K files to the theater truck. Sit the producers in there with some frappucinos and call it a day. For those times when the big cheeses are on set, the entire dailies process can be kicked up to 4K in real-time on set.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many little bits and pieces of a camera truck that could be reconfigured to suit a large-budget RED feature. A complete on-set workflow solution like this may seem like absolute unbridled overkill [and it is...], but it would appeal to a certain feature crowd.

We all know the low-end: a laptop, a CF reader and a RAID on a cart. This solution has been more than enough for the HVX for years and will be more than enough for many/most RED shooters. The low- to mid-end solution is already locked up. I just haven't seen a truly "high-end" solution yet. I think that a truly purpose-built, adaptable RED solution for studio features enabling instant turnaround time for all of these new elements of the filmmaking workflow would be quite valuable. Imagine being able to present something like this to a studio that's nervous about the camera?

And the price? Still less than a week's worth of film/processing/transfer.

Just something to think about.

[Oh yeah, if somebody [i]does suddenly decide to build something like this... come on... call me. I know I've just forfeited any rights to my little idea and all that but... :)]

Tonaci Tran
08-30-2007, 11:10 PM
Incredible post Brook.

Álex Montoya
08-30-2007, 11:13 PM
Very nice

jbeale
08-30-2007, 11:23 PM
quite a post! At the start where you said "workbench with compressor" I was somehow thinking digital- ("would that be lossy or lossless compression...?")

Matthew Lochman
08-30-2007, 11:49 PM
Do you really think this is viable? I feel inspired by the modularity of the RED ONE, so recessed knobs and built in desks might not be my cup of tea, but the ultimate digital camera truck- hell yeah- Been thinking about this for a while. I have the truck Brook if you want to get more specific about the practicality of the various needs of a digital workflow... Lets push this thread a little further. Anybody have any other Ideas?

Blair S. Paulsen
08-31-2007, 12:00 AM
Brook - the ideas and plans I have been working on for over a year are amazingly similar to yours - two great minds perhaps :sorcerer: .

Whatever final form any particular cart, van, on set network, etc takes - one of the most compelling aspects of the RedOne is the system that surrounds it and the modern workflows it enables. Mike Curtis claimed that the release of the RedOne would be an inflection point in this industry and I'll bet anyone cash money he is absolutely right.

From the ground up. Starting with a clean sheet of paper. Insert "cliche" here (yes, the use of the quotation marks was meant to be ironic). The sensor is amazing, working in RAW color space is amazing, 11 stops of DR is amazing, RedCode is amazing, etc but what will disrupt the industry most of all is a system that took the whole pipeline into account during the design phase. The RED system is a skillful blend of fresh thinking with carefully selected integration with legacy systems.

The RedOne is the cutting edge of electronically based image acquisition, using data as the media in a highly functional end to end ecosystem. Working with it stands to be one of the greatest joys of my life, I look forward to sharing it with many of you - from the captain's chairs in my RED Sprinter camera van after we just drilled some sweet golden hour images and are watching them minutes later in 4K :matrix: .

Brook Willard
08-31-2007, 12:22 AM
I threw diagrams and such together for myself a while ago. I've been compiling my dream camera embassy [based on a 48' trailer] for a while based on all of my camera truck experience over the last few years. I think I'll keep those images on my end for the time being [gotta save something for myself :)], but since I figured that many of us have our own ideas... it's worth chatting about.

I recently brought it up with a friend who spends a lot of time in reality work. I said 10-ton, he said Sprinter. I said 48', he said ambulance. Part of the beauty of the RED ONE is that everything about it can scale... from camera to workflow to the freakin' truck. We all know where my eyes point, but there's nothing to keep something along these lines from hitting every dollar point on the scale.


Do you really think this is viable? I feel inspired by the modularity of the RED ONE, so recessed knobs and built in desks might not be my cup of tea

I left tons of little details out of my dream truck idea... but nothing in that "darkroom" would be locked in. I may post a little example of what I mean.

Carl-August Savgård
08-31-2007, 01:26 AM
Since I do a coulpe of Videoassist gigs a year, I have been thinking about at on-set workflow that is lean and mean. I've been researching possibilites for a while now and I think I have a good system, I'll post it later.

PaulClements
08-31-2007, 03:08 AM
Did you include a bed and kitchen in your plans Brook? I can so see you living there :)

Steven Parker
08-31-2007, 03:49 AM
I recently brought it up with a friend who spends a lot of time in reality work. I said 10-ton, he said Sprinter. I said 48', he said ambulance. Part of the beauty of the RED ONE is that everything about it can scale...


Exactly! I know Blair's got a tricked-out van coming; Brook, you're talking 48' pimp-mobile... I'm just hoping I can make do with Pelicans in my old Jeep Cherokee!

But what's really cool is that my Jeep WILL make do... this modular system and its community is perfect for me and my means - and you and yours. When I get to DP the show that needs a 48' truck, I'm calling Brook. When I can't justify 48 feet, I'll call Blair. And for everything else, the old Jeep will do just fine...

Greg M
08-31-2007, 05:43 AM
would love to see your diagrams...I have been working on a very similar camera truck.

donatello b
08-31-2007, 09:57 AM
i'm not sure what i'm going to do about transportation ??
currently i have a 2 seater convertible and it's more then enough room for 3 light meters and myself -
i'm starting to think it's not going to handle RED ( if i have it all in cases ) - i think if i do a custom foam thing in the trunk ( no cases) i might be able to work out of the trunk? .. tripod would have to go in passenger seat .. then i could just drive right up to the set - for stages i just drive right into the stage !! set up a 30" monitor on the hood and 2 of us sit in the car viewing the takes !!! if we want privacy we put up the top ... this way i offer a slightly different package then others ????

Brook Willard
08-31-2007, 05:04 PM
Did you include a bed and kitchen in your plans Brook? I can so see you living there :)

Heheh... if transpo gives up their cab [with bed inside...], I'll totally live there.

Paul Kalbach
08-31-2007, 06:04 PM
I've been using a funky 1980 Ford ambulance as a production truck for several years. It's got compressed air system, DC to AC inverter (and an espresso maker), shoreline, a lift gate, and lots cabinets and shelves, etc. I may be putting it up for sale if my dream-truck comes through; I have a fire dept. connection where I might be able to obtain one of their 911 paramedic box trucks which they'll be retiring soon.

Andrew Benz
08-31-2007, 06:39 PM
Great thread Brook, thank you... Also, Paul- cool camera truck, very effective set up I am sure...

Very cool Zeke!!! Though big$$$$$ (see post below)

Joe Carney
08-31-2007, 06:39 PM
Brook part of what you want is already for sale.
Called the Fun Mover from four winds rv.
They have a 39ft rv with a cargo area of 96" x 163" in the back with
a hydraulic lift. And yes you can live in them for extended periods.

http://www.fourwinds-rv.com/funmover/

select floorplans and check out the 39D or 39C. I beleieve they come with a
8K on board generator.

You can add an Air Conditioner in place of the escape hatch too.

Matthew Lochman
08-31-2007, 07:02 PM
Fun Movers are nice- got a couple of those too, but the pimp-wagon is the Renegade... this will be the ultimate DigiCamera truck.

Joe Carney
08-31-2007, 07:25 PM
Fun Movers are nice- got a couple of those too, but the pimp-wagon is the Renegade... this will be the ultimate DigiCamera truck.

I checked out their web site, pretty cool. What do they go for, around 400K or more?

I thought the Fun Movers were still under 200K.

Matthew Lochman
09-01-2007, 12:12 AM
I checked out their web site, pretty cool. What do they go for, around 400K or more?

I thought the Fun Movers were still under 200K.

Fun movers are under 200k but like I said Renegade's are pimp wagon's- The one shown as stock is 250k you can custom build to your hearts content though... :)

Carl-August Savgård
09-02-2007, 06:43 AM
Here is my diagram of what I'm thinking of a lean and mean video assist on set. Right now with this setup I can only record 1 camera. But you could also do a live event mixing set up, 5 cameras, record prores with this kit. Multiple cameras, just add a macbook and a IoHD.

What do you guys think?

mezmo
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Hi guys.
Good discussion here and some great ideas.
I'd tend to go for a DIT van and seperate camera
van, the reason being, a camera crew needs to
be on the move to the next location while the
director and DIT review and select OK takes for
processing.
Don't forget the DIT will have to micro manage
about 1.5 - 2 million data frames/files on the
average digital feature film. Not an easy task.
Condensing footage for editorial is essential and
probably the main task at hand for the DIT.
He would attempt to store all these frames in one on set
computer system and clone them to data tape, on set.
Selected takes could be processed to a high quality
HI DEF codec and sent via portable Hdisk to the editor.
When principal photography had finished, the on set computer
can then be set up in the editing facility so additional
takes can be extracted and processed. The data tape
copy of all original footage would be in the safe at the
production office.
To have some actors on set for one hour can cost as
much as a complete Red kit including lenses.
Reshoots are never an option so a bullet proof filing
and back up system is essential and the main concern
for Dfilm aquisition at this time. A DIT van should handle this.
As for LUT's, I'd like the DP to get the hang of this and
not waste to much time on it. Editing on set would seem
a total waste of time and I'd try to scuttle this idea on
the first day of a shoot. But that's just me.
Every project will be different but this basic workflow
is acceptable to my company insurance broker at this time.
Hope this helps. Mezmo

Matthew Lochman
09-03-2007, 12:15 AM
This seems very practical Mezmo and is the most realistic solution I've heard thus far. I like the Idea of big trucks, obviously, and new cameras, obviously, but I haven't been able to merge the two in my mind in any meaningful way yet... Big trucks have their place on certain shoots and in certain departments, but the D-camera dept.? Yet to be seen- It seems that the first impulse is to mentally create a new sort of bridge 'department' between acquisition and post, something akin to an IT department, which I'm sure will be increasingly needed in the digital cinema world to come. But right now the industry functions in a much more mechanical way, and the changes that will take place are anybodies guess. High Technology is becoming cheap, and as soon as it is proven reliable, it will become assimilated into the industry on a massive scale. The Red One being the obvious reference- internet, wireless transfer, robotics, Satellite uplink, etc., being but a few others...
We will first need to learn how to fit our new cameras into the existing industry, and then we can chisel away at it, and bring about the digital cinema Renaissance that we all yearn for.

Justin Anderson
09-03-2007, 02:17 AM
Hm...

I like.