New Red Formats chart

[Damien Molineaux]

I found this, here : http://www.red.com/cameras/format_options

I suppose this is what is available now, on the released cameras. I see 2K windowed up to 100fps, sweet !

Congrats Red team, I haven't had a chance to say so yet, BRAVO !

You've done it, it's there, they're out there, in the hands of the lucky few who found out about the project first and believed. Bravo to them, and to all Red believers.

And thank you,
Damien

[Brian D. Goff]

If I read this right, then we have S35mm in redcode raw 30 frames - I thought S35mm was only for RAW port!?

[PaulClements]

If I read this right, then we have S35mm in redcode raw 30 frames - I thought S35mm was only for RAW port!?

Yes, you can still use S35mm lenses but you won't get as much information recording from the sensor that you would if you were recording from the RawPort at 2540p.

I don't believe this means that you will record the whole sensor using S35mm lenses and scale to 4K.

What the format chart doesn't tell us is whether it is using scaling or cropping, essentially you could shoot 2k with S35mm and 35mm lenses cropped anyway, what many are hoping for is the ability to use S35mm/35mm and scale to 2k in camera so that you can benefit from not having two sets of lenses yet still have the lower file size

[Jack Wester]

S35mm. Fantastic!
100fps overcranking. Fantastic!

[Paris Remillard]

Uhhh...yeah...it looks like the full 2540p sensor area can be recorded onboard now @30fps. That's great. And Jarred mentioned before that the aspect ratio can be set in camera to limit data rates if shooting 2.39:1 or 2:1 or whatever.

[Unwounded]

100fps. Nice, can't wait to shoot some overcranked footage.

[Harmonica]

I would offer the disclaimer that there have been numerous occasions where bad specs have been unintentionally published on that page. I will wait to hear it from an official, but, if it's true, that's fantastic news!

[Adrian T.]

:) All together now: "Hip Hip..."

[Jack Wester]

:) All together now: "Hip Hip..."

...Hurray!!!!

[Adrian T.]

...Hurray!!!!

That was fast! :tongue:

[Damien Molineaux]

Yes, you can still use S35mm lenses but you won't get as much information recording from the sensor that you would if you were recording from the RawPort at 2540p.

I don't believe this means that you will record the whole sensor using S35mm lenses and scale to 4K.

What the format chart doesn't tell us is whether it is using scaling or cropping, essentially you could shoot 2k with S35mm and 35mm lenses cropped anyway, what many are hoping for is the ability to use S35mm/35mm and scale to 2k in camera so that you can benefit from not having two sets of lenses yet still have the lower file size

Maybe this option allows for the recording of a wider format but with less height, so that you have a similar data rate as a 4k 35mm frame, but you're using the width of the S35.

Indeed, this chart has not always been correct, nor easy to understand, I've made wrong interpretations in the past. Let the Red team rest a little and I'm shure they'll clear this up soon enough.

Cheers,
Damien

[G.A. Kokes]

I for one am not disappointed at all with this. The question still out is:

How fast the footage can be turned into RGB or some other deliverable?

For us, it is not a big deal to take some time out at the end of the day or mix the process in during a days shoot. I could see how it might be for some though.

Cheers,
G

[Harmonica]

Maybe this option allows for the recording of a wider format but with less height, so that you have a similar data rate as a 4k 35mm frame, but you're using the width of the S35.

Hmmm... I think you may be on to something, Earthling!

[Evin Grant]

Do you still get "look around" in 2540P Redcode?

[Anders Holck]

Do you still get "look around" in 2540P Redcode?

Yes, just open your left eye.

Seriously, 100fps and onboard 2540p is great news.

[Damien Molineaux]

Yes, just open your left eye

good one, thanks for the laugh !

[Brook Willard]

Evin, I think you do. If memory serves, Mysterium's full active pixel array is 4,900 x 2,580. That said, I'm not sure if those pixels are reserved for black levels/goodies or if they're actually visible in Look Around.

I guess we'll find out later today.

[Damien Molineaux]

Do you still get "look around" in 2540P Redcode?

I seem to recall you do, the myterium is actually 4.9k so it would allow it.

Cheers,
Damien

edit : Brook, you beat me to it, that's because I was still laughing from Anders post.

[Kyle Spicer]

This is great news! I'm sure more things will change in the future, but I can only see them getting better :).

[jbeale]

According to a post a while back, you don't get to use all 4900 pixels for real imaging purposes.
Stuart:"The maximum recordable pixel array is 4520 x 2540. The pixels outside of that area are used for sensor alignment." http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=17824&postcount=2

[Damien Molineaux]

I've been searching for a while, but no luck, where's Gibby when you need him ! Oh yeah, he's picking up his Red, lucky b...

Anyway, I recall some precise info about the look around in both 4k and 4.5k, but I may be mistaken, maybe it was only in 4k (the info, not the look around).

Cheers,
Damien

[Warren Kommers]

I shoot music videos and commercials. Im going to be honest here as much as Im excited by this camera. The consensus amongst myself and other professional cameramen is that we are concerned about the limited full frame fps. In our fields that stuff is used all the time. I can't tell you how much we use 36 or 40 fps on a Arricam LT for commercials and mv's. I hope these frame rates will be enabled at some point by an update. The windowed DOF will not match full frame without comprimise. A 435 will be in use even more now. I know Ive mentioned it before on other forums but I really think this is being overlooked. Hopefully its in the works.

[S. Um]

The camera can't be everything to everybody. No matter what they put in there, there's always going to be things that they leave out. So I'm just happy that they released the cameras on time (after a few schedule changes).

I'm sure there will be a bigger and better Red Two coming down the pipe.

[Warren Kommers]

The camera can't be everything to everybody. No matter what they put in there, there's always going to be things that they leave out. So I'm just happy that they released the cameras on time (after a few schedule changes).

I'm sure there will be a bigger and better Red Two coming down the pipe.

Don't get me wrong. There is much to be excited about. However, Red in a overall sense is way ahead of schedule in a overall technological timeline. There is plenty of time and if the future fps is limited by the hardware of Red one I would pay more or wait until it was capable of doing what a sync 35mm body does. I know my needs are not unusual. Belive me. Sometimes excitement can cause us to overlook certain things. This is not to say Red has done many many things right.

[Evin Grant]

There may soon be the ability to shoot 2K Redcode RAW "Scaled" from the full sensor size in an update. This has beed discussed as a way to allow for faster FPS onboard. If you're shoting Commercials and MVs that should be plenty of resolution and a reasonable trade off.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Er...

I don't see anywhere on that chart that says we can record 2540p onboard. 2540p is listed for teh RAW Port option. Onboard (REDCODE) recording options are still 4K and 2K.

[Warren Kommers]

There may soon be the ability to shoot 2K Redcode RAW "Scaled" from the full sensor size in an update. This has beed discussed as a way to allow for faster FPS onboard. If you're shoting Commercials and MVs that should be plenty of resolution and a reasonable trade off.

Absolutely. It's more about the DOF and field of view than resolution. Even theatrically, as long as its not a wide shot, this should suffice.

Oh and I apologize for my sloppy typing with my novice iPhone fingers.