any good wide angle/ fisheye options for 4k?

[Teague Kennedy]

since the 4k region on the sensor is Academy 35mm (smaller than 35mm still) and all our 35mm lenses will seem to have longer focal length, it will be tough to get the really wide and/or fisheye shots that I really like for some of my EFP work. Are there any adapters out there that might work well attached to, say the Nikkor 17-35 ?

[Evin Grant]

Adapters? As in front of lens? I doubt it.

[Teague Kennedy]

In that case, are there any good 35mm zooms in the 9-20mm category? -- or good nikon fisheyes?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Nikon has a 10mm fisheye. Never used it myself.

[J. Bernard Vallon]

the nikon 14mm is pretty darn wide. im thinking about getting one, if i need it.

[chuck colburn]

since the 4k region on the sensor is Academy 35mm (smaller than 35mm still) and all our 35mm lenses will seem to have longer focal length, it will be tough to get the really wide and/or fisheye shots that I really like for some of my EFP work. Are there any adapters out there that might work well attached to, say the Nikkor 17-35 ?

There's a Nikon 8mm (the cyclops lens) on ebay right now, you don't see them very often. If I remember right they made a 6mm also, both were fisheyes.

[Brook Willard]

You could always sell your car and pick up Arri's Ultra Prime 8R...

[chuck colburn]

You could always sell your car and pick up Arri's Ultra Prime 8R...

Now there's an idea... sell my truck, oh wait, it's the dogs truck and he won't let anybody but me in it....

[Matt Uhry]

Try a Peleng 8mm, you can get them quite cheaply on ebay with a PL mount. I have one in PL and one in Nikon. I shot a Honda Insight commercial with it, which is still on my reel. The Nikon one will sometimes clip the mirror shutter on the d70 camera so be carefull when you put it on the first time.

It's a FISHEYE. no attempt has been made to correct distortion. it prettymuch covers academy 1.85 which is about what you will need for the red 4k. Better coverage than the nikon 8mm.

I projected one at clairmont, it was giving 200lp/mm in center and 140 at the edge which is damm good.

Matt Uhry
www.fuzby.com

[Teague Kennedy]

Thanks matt, that sounds like a possibility.

[Jaime Vallés]

So, with that Peleng 8mm fisheye, one would get an effective 12.8mm FOV when shooting 4K Redcode RAW, right? If so, that's something I'll definitely want to add to my arsenal. I'm sure there's be plenty of distortion, but I can live with barrel distortion for those nice super-wide shots.

[Ben Goldenberg]

I have the 14mm Nikon, when I put it on my d200 it lost like 40 percent of its abilities, will this be the same on RED?

[Poi Boy]

I have the 8mm peleng... pretty cool . vignettes a bit at the corners in 4K still super wide at 3K with no vignette.
Aloha
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[Ivan G]

Can you post some footage with the Peleng lens? Please.....?

[Poi Boy]

I've only had it about a week so I don't really have anything to show yet but check out Uhry's site he has some great stuff.
Aloha
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[Jeff Kilgroe]

Tried to throw the Peleng 8mm on a collimator today... Didn't have much luck because it's such a wide lens. I compared my PL mount 8mm with a re-housed PL mount 8mm Nikkor fisheye. Was hoping to have the lenses on a RED, but that didn't happen, maybe next week. Comparisons were visual through the OVF of an Arri 435. IMO, my Peleng is superior just looking at what we could see through the viewfinder. it had better coverage - the Nikkor showed serious portholing -- shooting 4K with the rehoused Nikkor would be a problem. The Peleng did vignette, but that was almost completely outside of the s35mm / 16:9 area, so shooting with this lens in 4K will work pretty good with a slight crop. No problem in 3K, just like Poi says. Damn good lens for the cheap price. I'll do some better tests with the RED, but my eyes are pretty good and it looked to me like the Peleng resolved just as much detail, if not more, than the Nikkor.

[Medavoym]

How about the Kinoptik Tegea 9.8mm? It's a wonderful lens and I'm sure it covers 4K with RED.

[Ken Corben]

We have tested various adaptors on PL lenses in 4K and viewed the results projected in 4K and on Cinetal monitors from a Prores HQ - it is a NO GO. Shoot quality glass clean or shoot HDV.


You could always sell your car and pick up Arri's Ultra Prime 8R...

The 8R fits nicely in the pro underwater housing and the burst chart tests for this lens in 4K are stunning.

[Poi Boy]

hey shark guy, what does a housing like that go for ?
Aloha
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[Ken Corben]

hey shark guy, what does a housing like that go for ?
Aloha
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Check out post #598

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=562&page=60

[Etienne Caron]

since the 4k region on the sensor is Academy 35mm (smaller than 35mm still) and all our 35mm lenses will seem to have longer focal length, it will be tough to get the really wide and/or fisheye shots that I really like for some of my EFP work. Are there any adapters out there that might work well attached to, say the Nikkor 17-35 ?

I'm asking myself the same question... my Nikon AIS are great and Zeiss ZF would be more great... but with the 1.62x factor, its kind of useless if you want "wider" shoot".

My choice is:

Nikon 12-24mm f/4 DX
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1224.htm

or

Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 AF-S (NO DX, so you have to apply the 1.62x)
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/14-24mm.htm


The 14-24mm got really really good reviews, but there is no filter thread. So you have to use a matte-box with filters... its no big deal when you're shooting fiction. But my purpose of having this lens is to shoot documentary too and got to find a way to fit some "thread" into the sun-hood and fix some circular ND.

Do you think that the motor of the 14-24mm's (using Birger to focus) will make some noise that will bring weird look from a sound guy ?

thanks

[Michael Hastings]

hey shark guy, what does a housing like that go for ?
Aloha
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http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=152507#post152507

Here is an updated description of housing price and options.

[Michael Hastings]

since the 4k region on the sensor is Academy 35mm (smaller than 35mm still) and all our 35mm lenses will seem to have longer focal length, it will be tough to get the really wide and/or fisheye shots that I really like for some of my EFP work. Are there any adapters out there that might work well attached to, say the Nikkor 17-35 ?

Since the RED has a sensor that is the same basic size as the "Digital" DX or APS-C size of many DSLRs there are a lot of lenses available in the still world - specific to the digital size sensor (won't cover full frame) but perfect for the RED. If you go with birger nikon or canon mount you have

Canon 10-22 which is rectilinear and sigma recently introduced several fisheyes - in both full circle on the RED sensor size and fisheye but not full circle.

4.5mm F2.8 EX DC Circular Fisheye HSM


http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3336&navigator=6

8mm F3.5 EX DG Circular Fisheye
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3319&navigator=4


10mm F2.8 EX DC Fisheye HSM
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3337&navigator=6


I think Sharky is right - there really aren't any adapters that would give you real good 4K results AND that Arri 8R is AWESOME.

[jbeale]

Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8 AF-S (NO DX, so you have to apply the 1.62x)
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/14-24mm.htm


Please note, "DX" or no "DX", I have always seen DSLR lenses listed by their true focal length in mm, not some kind of scaled focal length as the above quote seems to imply.

[jbeale]

4.5mm F2.8 EX DC Circular Fisheye HSM
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3336&navigator=6


It is an interesting lens, is it shipping yet? I have yet to find any actual images from it.

Oops, here is one. Apparently, the circular image diameter is 12.3 mm at the focal plane.

Sample Image:
http://www.nikonians.org/dcfp/user_files/84136.jpg

Discussion of this lens:
http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=157&topic_id=22081

[Michael Hastings]

Please note, "DX" or no "DX", I have always seen DSLR lenses listed by their true focal length in mm, not some kind of scaled focal length as the above quote seems to imply.

jbeale is right, focal length is focal length. You only apply a conversion so you can think of the equivalent angle of view on a different format - so when thinking of RED or an APS-C DSLR like a Canon REBEL or 20D,30D,40D - you multiply by 1.6 to get the equivalent on a full frame SLR.

But if you are comparing the 10mm of the 10-22 to a Zeiss PL mount 10mm on RED it would be the same.

THE DX or EF-S designation only tells you that it won't cover a full frame Digitial or film SLR, the millimeters are still the same.


Don't know if the 4.5 lenses are shipping.

[Lewis-M Soucy]

How about the Kinoptik Tegea 9.8mm? It's a wonderful lens and I'm sure it covers 4K with RED.

Anyone got a confirmation on this?

I'm offered a deal on 3 lenses:

-35mm ZOOM ANGENIEUX 25X250mm Arri B mount for 3000$
-35mm ZOOM ANGENIEUX 20X120mm T 1:2.6 Arri B mount for 4890$
-35mm Super Wide Kinoptik 9,8 mm Retro-focus (110° field) with matte and casing for 1600$

Does any of this sounds interesting or is this looking for trouble? Would I need adaptors? Which?

I heard the Kinoptic is quite fun and good, and I checked the clip posted here... Rather cool rendering!

I'm thinking on getting the Red lenses anyway, but this might widen a choice of focals? My goal would be to have all lenses PL ready... Is this possible?

[Matt Uhry]

Anyone got a confirmation on this?

I'm offered a deal on 3 lenses:

-35mm ZOOM ANGENIEUX 25X250mm Arri B mount for 3000$
-35mm ZOOM ANGENIEUX 20X120mm T 1:2.6 Arri B mount for 4890$
-35mm Super Wide Kinoptik 9,8 mm Retro-focus (110° field) with matte and casing for 1600$

Does any of this sounds interesting or is this looking for trouble? Would I need adaptors? Which?

I heard the Kinoptic is quite fun and good, and I checked the clip posted here... Rather cool rendering!

I'm thinking on getting the Red lenses anyway, but this might widen a choice of focals? My goal would be to have all lenses PL ready... Is this possible?

Kinoptik 9.8 covers 4k fine, impressive correction of distortion you could say it's a bit retro in the contrast dept. Center resolution is good, edge resolution? - we'll you can't have it all for this cheap!

Instead of those old Angenieux's you should look for a cooke 25-250 Mk2 and a 20-100 - much better lenses at similar prices.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Thanks Matt! Although I assume from the lens scouting I'm doing that the Cooke are MUCH more hard to find nowadays... And I'm pretty sure the Red hype has got something to do with it...