Other Camera Forum disappears...

[Cristina S]

...with valuable information. Why?

[Tom Lowe]

Bottom line is that Jim does not want us posting about "other cameras" here anymore. He made that crystal clear last night. Since this is his house, we should respect that.

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

Bottom line is that Jim does not want us posting about "other cameras" here anymore. He made that crystal clear last night. Since this is his house, we should respect that.

Some of us may have missed that post, the only thing I know is that apparently there was some kind of attack.

I guess I can live with the thread going down since it was pretty much the VDSLR section and not the other cameras section but I dispute the idea that it is crystal clear why it happened.

[Tom Lowe]

Jim himself made it clear! There was no "attack." Jim made an impassioned post saying that he didn't want this stuff posted here anymore, then the whole forum was moved offline. That should be the end of it. He's told us before that he really didn't want vDSLR posts here. But I guess he'd finally had enough.

Let's move on. If you want to discuss those cameras, there are plenty of places to do it online.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I fail to understand why anyone would be surprised or find anything objectionable with that section of the forum going down. If so please be objective and tell me your reasoning.

[Sarah C.]

I personally visit here to learn about Red Digital Cinema.

~s :)

[Pawel Achtel]

heheh.... no more jokes at Michael Bravin's expense.... :banned:

What is the chance that he is going to get himself a RED camera and post here about it? :ihih:

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Yeah, makes sense to me, you don't ask for pizza in a sushi bar...

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yeah, makes sense to me, you don't ask for pizza in a sushi bar...

But what if I want unagi on my pizza?

Anyway, the forum is gone. Deal with it. Plenty of other places to discuss those other products.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Jarred hosts a great one: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=174

You'll find piles of info for all prosumer cameras there.

[Mitch Gross]

heheh.... no more jokes at Michael Bravin's expense.... :banned:

Nooooooooo, say it ain't so!!

[M Most]

heheh.... no more jokes at Michael Bravin's expense.... :banned:

What is the chance that he is going to get himself a RED camera and post here about it? :ihih:

Michael Bravin was one of the earliest buyers of a Red camera. I believe his original reservation number was 51.

[Nick D]

I think it is unfortunate that we can't communicate about other choices and how we can try to match to Red footage coming from the Red One, forthcoming Scarlet and Epics.

I know I learned a lot from other users and it was my 2nd favorite thread compared to Recon. In fact, much of the comparisons swayed me AWAY from Canon 7D...

Isn't open dialogue and transparency in choices outside of Red, be it accessories, lenses or cameras, valuable market research that can be used internally by Red?

Why not let us blab away so you can keep your finger on where we are snooping around while waiting for product to release?

[Frank Weeks]

Jim himself made it clear! There was no "attack." Jim made an impassioned post saying that he didn't want this stuff posted here anymore, then the whole forum was moved offline. That should be the end of it. He's told us before that he really didn't want vDSLR posts here. But I guess he'd finally had enough.

Let's move on. If you want to discuss those cameras, there are plenty of places to do it online.

Does that mean no more time lapses stuff. I'll miss that.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I think it is unfortunate that we can't communicate about other choices and how we can try to match to Red footage coming from the Red One, forthcoming Scarlet and Epics.

I know I learned a lot from other users and it was my 2nd favorite thread compared to Recon. In fact, much of the comparisons swayed me AWAY from Canon 7D...

Isn't open dialogue and transparency in choices outside of Red, be it accessories, lenses or cameras, valuable market research that can be used internally by Red?

Why not let us blab away so you can keep your finger on where we are snooping around while waiting for product to release?

That was not the majority of the content of the section. Was it? I didn't check much. For actual 7D discussion I go to 7D dedicated forums. You'll find more info there.

Threads discussing this topic, that stay on topic, still remain: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39339

[Cristina S]

Bottom line is that Jim does not want us posting about "other cameras" here anymore. He made that crystal clear last night. Since this is his house, we should respect that.Very well, close it. The information posted might at least be available. There was some valuable stuff posted there. A few of us don't care about brand policies, whatever. For that data's sake, that is all. In the name of filmmaking. Thank you.

[Nick D]

This was not the content of the section. Threads discussing this topic, remaining on topic, still remain: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39339

There you go, another helpful Red User! Thank you for the tip and saving me another couple of nights worth of forum hunting!!

[Pawel Achtel]

Nooooooooo, say it ain't so!!

Did someone say that all this would be a lot of fun until Jim comes home and locks the liquor cabinet back up....

Jim is back home and the cabinet is locked up. We will have to figure out what can be done about that...:devil:

[Pawel Achtel]

Does that mean no more time lapses stuff. I'll miss that.

...until the Epic is out. It is a good sign. :laugh:

[Ryan S]

Yeah, makes sense to me, you don't ask for pizza in a sushi bar...

Sure I do! Sushi Pizza! Is tasty.

[Ryan S]

Bottom line is that Jim does not want us posting about "other cameras" here anymore. He made that crystal clear last night. Since this is his house, we should respect that.

I'm hoping that just means no threads solely devoted to other cameras. When I read your post, I first thought no more side-by-side comparisons, which would really suck.

[Pawel Achtel]

Michael Bravin was one of the earliest buyers of a Red camera. I believe his original reservation number was 51.

Two girlfriends sounds like trouble, no? :biggrin: I would not expect Michael....

...anyway, who is going to do side-by-side comparison between Alexa and M-X now? This is the question!

[Tom Lowe]

heheh.... no more jokes at Michael Bravin's expense.... :banned:


Maybe Jim can make an exception just in this one case with Bravin, Arri, Mitch, etc. :smilielol5:

[Pawel Achtel]

time to choose :devil:

[Jannard]

Maybe Jim can make an exception just in this one case with Bravin, Arri, Mitch, etc. :smilielol5:

We are keen to do a side by side test of the new Arri cameras and EPIC (or even a RED ONE with Mysterium-X sensor). We'll find a place to put the results here on reduser.

Maybe we can even get the two companies together for a controlled test? Bravin?

Jim

[Cristina S]

So, no "other cameras" forum data? Not even accessible for reading?


Very well, close it. The information posted might at least be available. There was some valuable stuff posted there. A few of us don't care about brand policies, whatever. For that data's sake, that is all. In the name of filmmaking. Thank you.

[Pawel Achtel]

Maybe we can even get the two companies together for a controlled test? Bravin?

Jim

Sounds like a great idea.

Nah, Mike will never agree to that...:001_tt2:

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sooner or later some independent third parties will do this test for sure.

Btw, right now I heard that prices for Arri new cameras code named Alexa:

A-EV Euro 50.000 / U$ 70.000
A-EV Plus Euro 70.000 / U$ 100.000
A-OV Plus Euro 130.000 / U$ 185.000

[Rob Ruffo]

Sooner or later some independent third parties will do this test for sure.

Btw, right now I heard that prices for Arri new cameras code named Alexa:

A-EV Euro 50.000 / U$ 70.000
A-EV Plus Euro 70.000 / U$ 100.000
A-OV Plus Euro 130.000 / U$ 185.000

Aside from perfromance, we must consider that these cams are like semi-portable (and I use the word semi with great generosity) science projects. Weight and tech issues are serious issues on a set, and there a recently updated Red wins hands down.

[Alexander Ibrahim]

Is there a link to Jim's post talking about his reasoning? Did that disappear with the forums/sections that were removed?

I kind of thought that the REDUser conversation about the vDSLR's was better than what you find elsewhere, so I'll miss it.

I completely agree though its RED's backyard, and I'm happy to play by their rules.

[Van Din]

Is there a link to Jim's post talking about his reasoning? Did that disappear with the forums/sections that were removed?Yes, gone with all the threads.



I kind of thought that the REDUser conversation about the vDSLR's was better than what you find elsewhere, so I'll miss it.Me too.

[J Davis]

There is WAAAAY more info on vDSLR's covering countless threads in DVXuser. Much more than there ever was here, 7D section has over a thousand threads – and on all the same topics.
Literally there was nothing new in these deleted threads. No great loss.

Roberto already linked there. Back in post 10

[Liam Hall]

I guess if people are pissed at the Other Cameras board being consigned to the RedUser history folder then they could always start their own forum or their own camera company or both...

[Jeff Coatney]

Good riddance. It was becoming ridiculous. Footage from a Red One and a Canon 5D can seamlessly intercut? What a waste of bandwidth.

[MichaelHalsell]

Do we know of any other manufacturer's website or forum that allow readers to post alternative product solutions? RED had been gracious enough to allow that nonsense for a brief moment, but is totally correct and within their right to remove those threads.

For those truly saddened, suffering withdrawal and wants to resuscitate the dead threads, the following domain is available.

sadtoseeyougo.com

[Bérenger Brillante]

After reading the Arri / Red thread, I can only understand Jim deleting this section. I, as a customer, was pissed off... so JJ as the maker... ouch.

[Rick Presas]

Shame that forum got closed.


Do we know of any other manufacturer's website or forum that allow readers to post alternative product solutions? RED had been gracious enough to allow that nonsense for a brief moment, but is totally correct and within their right to remove those threads.

see, to me the coolest thing about reading all those 7D threads was seeing how the 7D was so obviously NOT a alternate product solution. It was reassuring to know that the $10,000odd i plan on spending on a 2/3" scarlet is be WELL WORTH IT and I wasn't better off putting together an HDSLR rig for the sake of a 35mm sensor.

You're right though, this is REDs forum and they may do as they like.

[Michael Schmitt]

I don't come to this forum to read about other cameras. I come here to read about the Red and Scarlet.

[Rick Presas]

I don't come to this forum to read about other cameras. I come here to read about the Red and Scarlet. very true. but with no footage and only limited info on as-yet-nonexistent scarlet and epic there's really only so much you can read.

but the way i see it, we can still use off-topic to pass the time before we all have our patience and fidelity to the brand rewarded to us in the form of DSMC :beer: :beer: :beer:

[Meryem Ersoz]

a lot of us aren't passing the time, we're shooting our RED cams and testing out all the new goodies and building our businesses.

dvxuser, dvinfo, creative cow, 2-pop, CML - all good places to talk about other cameras...there is no lack of intelligent, available discussion about these cameras.

given that, i don't really understand what is lost by shutting down that forum. it all seemed a little bit out of place, anyway.

i would like to see canon build out a similar community, with interactive conversations with their CEO and camera development teams.

the people who are complaining about the end of this forum are complaining to the wrong people - why aren't you spending the same energy encouraging the other camera manufacturers jumping on board this clearly successful model and building out these communities?

you should be goading the big camera companies to follow this lead, instead of complaining about why RED isn't supporting the building of communities around competitors' cams...

now that would be really cool.

[Michael Schmitt]

dvxuser.com covers a lot of cameras. I frequented that site for a year before I bought my HVX200.

[Stephen Williams]

Good riddance. It was becoming ridiculous. Footage from a Red One and a Canon 5D can seamlessly intercut? What a waste of bandwidth.

Hi Jeff,

Why ? It's done all the time in the real world.

Stephen

[Stephen Williams]

Aside from perfromance, we must consider that these cams are like semi-portable (and I use the word semi with great generosity) science projects. Weight and tech issues are serious issues on a set, and there a recently updated Red wins hands down.

Are you saying there has never been a technical on set issue with a Red camera? The new cameras from Arri look quite similar in size to Epic.
David M had the right idea I think!

[David Cherniack]

I for one will miss it. It was a good place to get an quick sense and news of what was happening with other cameras in relation to Red. I wish I had seen JJ's final post. I only saw his pleas in the Arri thread to be respectful. If some people ignored that decent advice it's they that should have been withdrawn, not the forum.

I'm afraid the banning doesn't wear well with the Red brand of open discussion.

[gediminas alexandras]

I'd have to agree with David. Seems only fair to weed out the bad apples on the forum who are not contributing constructive and fair criticisms to the debates that take place and instead are causing a nuisance. To take away the abundance of information on there only hurts indie film makers who come here looking for useful information from working pros about the best way to get their project made.

I'd wager that a lot of the people on this forum have taken the plunge into VDSLRs for their pet projects. Talking to pros about the trials and tribulations in the field creates more awareness of the possibilities that Scarlet/Epic are going to open up for indie film makers.

I for one read dvx, c5d, reduser, creative cow etc etc.

I found the information on reduser to be quite useful as it was coming from people with much more experience than those on some of the other forums.

I don't expect Red to HAVE to put it up; but taking it away is a little bit rude IMHO.





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[Gavin Greenwalt]

It's tough to extend an olive branch of cooperation and mutual respect when you semi-officially run a forum full of trolling the competitors. Unfairly or not REDUser reflects on RED and Jim Jannard.

Trashing on all the other cameras on REDUser just gives the impression that RED publicly is all about being a responsible member of the film community while underhandedly running a little army of brown coats.

[Tom Lowe]

You guys seem to think that some kind of "incident" or trouble caused this. That is NOT the case. There was no incident or rudeness or anything like that. There were no "bad apples." Jim simply expressed his desire for us to no longer post about other cameras on his RED forum here. He said the equivalent of "This is REDUSER not NIKONUSER." It's as simple as that.

If Jim invites you to his mansion and asks you not to talk about "X" are you going to sit there and talk about it? No. Same thing.

Let's move on and stop doing this = :beatdeadhorse5:

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Let's move on and stop doing this = :beatdeadhorse5:

Agreed.
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