RECINE-X as a plugin for After Effects

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

A good friend of mine suggested this to me, so I thought I would open it up to discussion.

REDCINE-X is fantastic but it is just not in the right position to be used in the most efficient way. It would be great if the entire interface was ported over/made available as a plugin for Adobe after Effects.

You are natively able to work with R3D's in AE already and the ability to have a proper timeline inside RX would be useful. At the moment the process of correcting one shot at a time is not enough for some of use to switch to it, despite it being a great application.

[Kim Frank]

I would love to see that!

[Stephen Gentle]

It might be useful for some, but I'd expect that the vast majority of people using RED wouldn't be processing or finishing their work in After Effects...

I'm also confused as to what kind of workflow you'd use RCX in After effects with. Could you explain?

[Kwan Khan]

RX+RR+AE Pluggin & Support... One more Vote...

Hey Chris,
I also like to know what kind of Workflow you have now, using AE + RX together?

[Ivan Cortazar]

One vote for AE plugin, acnd Color as well. ;-)

I love Redcine X, but I mostly edit with proxies, so Redcine X, it is not much use for me, unless I need to get extra in underexposed footage. The fact that you can't import xml files in Redcine - X is downer for me. But hey it is Free! Thanks Red.

[Steve Sherrick]

... The fact that you can't import xml files in Redcine - X is downer for me. But hey it is Free! Thanks Red.

Not yet anyway. There has been talk about a plug-in architecture inside Redcine-X and if some smart programer types were to work their magic, it seems that a conform tool might be possible. Not to mention, other useful plug-ins.

[Clint Childers]

Redcine-X as a plug-in is a good idea, but it would be more useful in editing applications like Final Cut Pro, or Premiere where you could have a powerful color correction right inside the editing timeline. Even creating a complete 4K online edit and color correction in one package. I always felt like Apple needed to release a program with all of the abilities of Color and Final Cut, into one application. Just click on a tab and have color, or Redcine-X appeare, with your timeline and clips ready for color correction. That's the future. Adobe or Apple will create that sooner or later.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'd take an AE plugin version of RC-X just because I'm greedy. What would really make me happy though is up to date support for R3D files in AE along with support for the RED Rocket. Allow me to import looks I create in RC-X into AE and still have full control over all the RAW info.

[Paul Leeming]

Actually, why not make this broader and have a simple Red R3D decoder plugin for Windows and OSX, kind of like us Windows users install ProResDecoder and it enables ProRes decoding in all media apps automatically.

A system-wide codec plugin offered by Red themselves would mean that none of us would have to wait for the major NLEs to catch up with Red which is such a fast moving target to keep up with for these monolithic app companies.

Thoughts?

Paul

[Sarah C.]

I'd take an AE plugin version of RC-X just because I'm greedy. What would really make me happy though is up to date support for R3D files in AE along with support for the RED Rocket™. Allow me to import looks I create in RC-X into AE and still have full control over all the RAW info.

Yes!

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

It might be useful for some, but I'd expect that the vast majority of people using RED wouldn't be processing or finishing their work in After Effects...

I'm also confused as to what kind of workflow you'd use RCX in After effects with. Could you explain?

At the moment I only use Redcine to correct shots that need correcting before going out to whatever codec for editing, so I don't use it a lot. If the interface with the power of Redcine-X acted like a plugin (much like Magic Bullet) for After Effects, Premiere Pro, Vegas, and Final Cut I would probably be happy to pay for it. That is how much I love the new Redcine!

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

On the contrary I think quite a large number of people use After Effects with Red.

It is perfect for individuals or smaller companies.

[Alex Carr]

Anything with VFX I do all my Onlining in After Effects, But I wish the new color science was added... That would be a major advancement.

I do wish that after effects had more Scopes, but there is a plug-in called testgear that gives you several Scopes RGB parade / waveform / Vectorscope. They work pretty well.

[Elsie N]

Actually, why not make this broader and have a simple Red R3D decoder plugin for Windows and OSX, kind of like us Windows users install ProResDecoder and it enables ProRes decoding in all media apps automatically.

A system-wide codec plugin offered by Red themselves would mean that none of us would have to wait for the major NLEs to catch up with Red which is such a fast moving target to keep up with for these monolithic app companies.

Thoughts?

Paul
Brilliant!!!

[shashbugu]

Grading a Long form feature in After effects is a nightmare, its just does not make any sense. We know the R3d plug in will be updated with the new color science and FLUT in FCP, AE and PPRO. Actually the design of Redcine-x is far more conducive for long form color grading than After Effects is. But no other codec is allowed into Redcine-x, spoiler! adobe CS5 is the NLE software everybody is anticipating. Poor mans autodesk smoke.

[shashbugu]

Actually, why not make this broader and have a simple Red R3D decoder plugin for Windows and OSX, kind of like us Windows users install ProResDecoder and it enables ProRes decoding in all media apps automatically.

A system-wide codec plugin offered by Red themselves would mean that none of us would have to wait for the major NLEs to catch up with Red which is such a fast moving target to keep up with for these monolithic app companies.

Thoughts?

Paul

I second this brilliant, brilliant, brilliant

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Grading a Long form feature in After effects is a nightmare, its just does not make any sense.

We are not all doing feature work with big budgets. Some people are happy to use After Effects. Boils down to money and time. For a 3-15min product it is great.

[Stephen Gentle]

We are not all doing feature work with big budgets. Some people are happy to use After Effects. Boils down to money and time. For a 3-15min product it is great.

That's how I use it at the moment but it really feels like a square peg in a round hole... There may be better workflows (and if there are I'd love to hear about them!) but the way I use it is a nightmare, say, if you make any changes to the edit after you've imported the project into After Effects...

I'm planning to move to a Final Cut/Color workflow once the new version comes out, and use After Effects just for what it really excels at - things like animating titles and for compositing.

[Shawn R]

If you were going to have a plug-in it would be nice to be able to export clips out of After Effects with the actual clip names and proper timecode burn-in. Maybe there is a plugin for that already, lol.

[Tony Bacak]

smoke can't handle red raw either - slow import and an interface not changed since it was born.