A New Dawn...

[Mardi_Gras]

I woke up this morning with a very different feeling. I feel reinvigorated and inspired, especially with Tonaci and Blair doing the marathon slam last night (much appreciated guys!).

Jim (the mad scientist) and his team of pure genius has unleashed a beast called the R-1 and the industry shall never be the same again.

This is truly one historic occasion and I'm truly honored to be a partaker in it.

Congrats all!!!!

[Andrae Palmer]

I know the feeling.. now I wish January or February would come already.

[gdv]

I think you Red fans are rushing to fast. Once you have the camera test it, put it on trial, shoot some footage, or shall we change the terminology from footage to data, see how it works with post what does it take to get a good final product. I don't want you to have early celebrations which turns to big disappointment, I am sure there will be some faults along the way which will need to be corrected.
This camera was not made to replace Panasonic HVX200 with P2 cards or Sony F900R. After all this camera is to compete with 35mm cameras which were developed by the best companies in the world like Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision.
Come up with ideas to improove it, to make its workflow fluent, easy to use. You can send your idea to the Red team or apply it yourself in your production.
Take it easy.

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

This camera was not made to replace Panasonic HVX200 with P2 cards or Sony F900R. After all this camera is to compete with 35mm cameras which were developed by the best companies in the world like Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision.
Take it easy.[/QUOTE]

I agree. This is a high end tool for high end work.
I am happy that my camera is nr 2000 and something, so all the DVgeeks can hammer out any faults & bugs.:)
Still I am envious of the people unpacking it right now...
And to the RED team: A massive achievement. Well done!

JJ
DP
Denmark

[Mardi_Gras]

I think you Red fans are rushing to fast...
This camera was not made to replace Panasonic HVX200 with P2 cards or Sony F900R. After all this camera is to compete with 35mm cameras which were developed by the best companies in the world like Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision.
Take it easy.

No brainer really... It's a 4K camera for chrissakes! I doubt if anyone on this board is hearing this for the first time. About taking it easy... well, can't promise anything, but we'll try.:sarcasm:

[laguun]

This camera was not made to replace Panasonic HVX200 with P2 cards or Sony F900R. After all this camera is to compete with 35mm cameras which were developed by the best companies in the world like Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision.


Gdv,

hate to burst your bubble, but you seem to have missed the last 8 years.

The 35 & 2/3 1080 digital cinematography cameras as
Sony F900/750
GV Viper
Panavision Genesis
do replace Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision Millenium 35mm film cameras since the beginning of this decade on a daily basis.

In Hollywood, in London, Berlin, Paris, anywhere. Top directors and top DP are using 1080p cameras as alternative or replacement to 35mm film, happily and successfully. On A-budgets, where money doesn´t matter, because its their free preferred creative choice.

Just a partial list of a few directors who repaced or mixed 35mm film with digital cinematography:

* Bryan Singer - Superman Returns,
* Mel Gibson - Apocalypto,
* David Fincher - Zodiac,
* Michael Mann - Miami Vice, Collateral,
* Andy Wachowski und Larry Wachowski - Speed Racer,
* George Lucas - Star Wars Episode II und III,
* Robert Altman - A Prairie Home Companion,
* David Zucker - Scary Movie IV,
* Robert Rodriguez - Sin City, Grindhouse,
* Lars von Trier - Dogville, Manderlay,
* Michael Moore - Bowling for Columbine,
* Sylvester Stallone - Rocky,
* Jean-Jacques Annaud - Two brothers
* James Cameron - Ghosts of the Abyss, Aliens of the Deep,
* Francis Ford Coppola - Youth without Youth

That doesn´t even include the ones who opted for DSLR and 24P DV as

* Tim Burton - Corpse Bride
* David Lynch - Inland Empire,

and the ones who started shooting with red as it still was a prototype

* Timur Bekmambetov - Wanted
* Peter Jackson - Crossing the line,
* Steven Soderbergh - Guerrilla.

I think it is pretty interesting to see how many Academy Award winners and nominees are in this list, and that all of them began with 35mm film instead of sensor btw.



Come up with ideas to improove it, to make its workflow fluent, easy to use. You can send your idea to the Red team or apply it yourself in your production.
Take it easy.
Good tip, however, this is exactly what has happened here - since the recent 20 months.

[liquidigital]

Take it easy.

I don't know why you'd want to steal anybody's joy. I'm not even a reservation holder and I'm really excited for these guys and the Red team. It's okay to be excited about stuff.

[Otto]

Gdv,

hate to burst your bubble, but you seem to have missed the last 8 years.

The 35 & 2/3 1080 digital cinematography cameras as
Sony F900/750
GV Viper
Panavision Genesis
do replace Arriflex, Moviecam and Panavision Millenium 35mm film cameras since the beginning of this decade on a daily basis.



I can not agree, because ARRI is still selling 16 & 35mm cameras like hell. There are waiting lists about 6-12 months for the Arricams and Arri 416...

[vidalsosa]

I can not agree, because ARRI is still selling 16 & 35mm cameras like hell. There are waiting lists about 6-12 months for the Arricams and Arri 416...

LOL, I bet they do!!!

You know with the RedOne now out in the wild, Arri, Sony and everybody else whose market base feels threatened, will spend massive amounts of money in disinformation campaigns like the one here. It should and will be expected.

In the meantime, RedOne rules!!!

[caliente]

hi guys I am using the HDW F900R Camcorder with canon HD-EC lenses and Zeiss ultra prime lenses so i want to order a ARRI MB-16 Matte box with FF-3 Follow Focus anybody knows the exact accessories for this Matte Box because i want to make an order and i didn't use it before,

[laguun]

I can not agree, because ARRI is still selling 16 & 35mm cameras like hell. There are waiting lists about 6-12 months for the Arricams and Arri 416...

like hell? I don´t agree.
Sony has shipped over 4000 hdcam cameras, red has orders for 2000 in the books...

... and that arri delivers slows doesn´t imply that they sell much.

I sadly have no sales figures from them (have asked several times), but the highest serials i have seen on 235 and 416 were on the lower 3-digits, not thousands as sony or red.

Btw: Don´t get me wrong: I have the highest respect for Arri, good friends work there, and my grandmother was working at arri as well. I have been and am using and owning Arri products since i started in the industry, and they are great (almost all of them).

However, i am afraid that they really will miss their window of oppurtunity. When, in the early 2000s, i asked for a digital Arri, they answered, nothing we would sell. Mid 2000, we already spendt our money at sony for hdcam, i was inquiring about a second camera, and the D20 wasn´t for sale. Recently, when i told them that we probably would decide to buy red, they doubted that red was doable (in a polite way, ibc 2006). We then ordered red.

Their market share is slipping dramatically - and they don´t have a product to competete with Panavision, Sony, Red and Grass Valley as of yet.

I have seen too many brilliant german manufacturers fading away as they didn´t took the digital challenge in time. I would hate to see history repeat itself another time with arri camera.

But they better start moving. The 35mm camera market seems to swing from film to sensor as market leader within the next 12 months. 5 years ago, Arri owned that market basicly alone. Look where we are now.

FWIW: Arri camera is just a part of arri. Arri laser/scan, light etc won´t be affeted in that amountas Arri camera.

[laguun]

hi guys I am using the HDW F900R Camcorder with canon HD-EC lenses and Zeiss ultra prime lenses so i want to order a ARRI MB-16 Matte box with FF-3 Follow Focus anybody knows the exact accessories for this Matte Box because i want to make an order and i didn't use it before,

I would contact ARRI directly.
However,
http://www.viewfactor.net/
is building a competing system which looks pretty interesting - for FF and MB.

more information here:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3082&highlight=viewfactor

[vidalsosa]

hi guys I am using the HDW F900R Camcorder with canon HD-EC lenses and Zeiss ultra prime lenses so i want to order a ARRI MB-16 Matte box with FF-3 Follow Focus anybody knows the exact accessories for this Matte Box because i want to make an order and i didn't use it before,

Wrong forum... This right here is reserved for all things RedOne, the new king of the block... .:gun:

[Otto]

will spend massive amounts of money in disinformation campaigns like the one here.

Sorry but please don't create new rumors.

I ordered 6 Red's, 1 Arricam and 1 Arri 416 the last 8 months - so I know what I'm talking about. And I'm not part of any disinformation campaign.

There will be different fields still for Red's, 35mm & 16mm.

[vidalsosa]

Sorry but please don't create new rumors.

I ordered 6 Red's, 1 Arricam and 1 Arri 416 the last 8 months - so I know what I'm talking about. And I'm not part of any disinformation campaign.

There will be different fields still for Red's, 35mm & 16mm.

No rumors buddy. Its been on since the revolution began. I'm only saying they will have no choice but to invest massively in an all out disinformation campaign now that the RedOne is set to break all the rules. What else can they do... really.

[vidalsosa]

Otto Said:

That's funny RED has a 5 camera ordering limit at this point...

RED

I was beginning to wonder if that has changed. What a way to give up the mask. I knew it.:ninja:

[Sean R.]

Edit: I should have been more clear. We had a 5 camera order limit. We can cater to larger orders with the right approvals.
Regardless Otto, let me know if you have any questions about your reservations/orders. I'm here for one and all, big and small.

[laguun]

I'm only saying they will have no choice but to invest massively in an all out disinformation campaign now that the RedOne is set to break all the rules. What else can they do... really.

Sorry, that is wrong.

Arri as a company doesn´t use such methods. Never did in the recent 90 years. They are a very polite company.

What else can they do? Well, focussing on all the 4K filmrecording with the Arrilaser, rent out trucks (lenses, light, grip etc) of gear to peter jackson as before... even when the rental budgets sinks from $5.500.000 with camera to 5.200.000 without camera. They have enough work.

Furthermore, Otto is fully right on one thing: Their sales aren´t dropping as of now. Its the market which is getting bigger, and in the long run, that will be highly problematic if Arri doesn´t participate. Certainly, there are customers who buy red instead of Arri. ANd that will become mainstream. But as of now, its the -additional- sales which Red generated, which make red such a success.

Sony, with its
- 163.000 employees
- 68 Billion Dollar Revenue
is in a totally different Ballpark.

Sony consist out of much more than cameras.

Sony displays will like red very much. since years they try to convince DCI cinemas to go for 4k, and 2K (where christie is strong) has over 90% marketshare in the dci installations.

Sony pictures -always- used what they thought would be the best tool for the job. Be it Sony, Arri, Panavision.

Sony camera, in the DV, AVHCD, HDV, DVCAM, XDCAM, Digital Betacam etc spaces won´t feel pressure as well. The Z1 alone sold 4.000 units a quarter in Germany alone.

The cinealta PMs (HDCAM, HDCAM sr, XDCAM HD) might feel pressure, but don´t forget - their main business is broadcasters, event, sports etc - not cinema. And Reds buyers and clients are a niche in which Sony didn´t sell to much anyhow. Don´t expect NHK to switch their Olympic features away from Sony or Panavision. They want cameras with intercom, remote control, real-time colocorrection, internal wireless audio etc - even when that means compromising image quality. Thats where the huge sales are for Sony.

Just one example, the WDR, a local public state broadcaster here in Germany bought 350 XDCAM units (not HD) recently. They won´t use red (as of yet). They want boring fast workflows, in PAL. Maybe EVEN in 709. Certainly not above that - besides maybe 10 cameras for their top-programs. Thats were red could come in.

[Chuck T.]

- 68 Billion Dollar Revenue

To add.... that is 68 Billion every year.

[Adrian T.]

Edit: I should have been more clear. We had a 5 camera order limit. We can cater to larger orders with the right approvals.
Regardless Otto, let me know if you have any questions about your reservations/orders.

If "Otto" is "Otto Nemenz" I think he will be approved to order more than 5 cameras. :biggrin:

[Mike Prevette]

If "Otto" is "Otto Nemenz" I think he will be approved to order more than 5 cameras. :biggrin:


I was thinking the same thing.

_mike

[Sean R.]

Also what we we're thinking here, that's why I asked the res.# instead of saying something else.

[mezmo]

Hi Guys,
Yes Otto Nemenz would be the only Otto I know with
pockets that deep.
And be nice to him he's a great guy and knows
a helluva lot about camera rental.
You could all maybe learn somthing here if he
comes back and posts again.
Mezmo.