A full 35mm sensor

[kunal2]

Hi all,was curious to know why the Redone doesn't have a full frame 24x36 mm sensor,and who manufacture their sensors,i think this camera is a boon to cinematographers,a miracle considering what we get for the price tag,this is going to drastically change the world of cinema,new doors will be open,i've been shooting on film SLR for 12 yrs,it's only 3 yrs that I went digital,i must say i've double my talent during that short experience with digital,it's amazing now what i can do with my EOS 20D DSLR,i hope will get quality results with the RedOne cameras same as Canon DSLRs taking in considration that both companies uses CMOS sensors and i also hope we get a grading software which function like lightroom ,you can do miracles with it
thx RedOne
kunal
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[Fergus Meiklejohn]

It is a full size Cinema 35mm chip. In film cameras the film runs vertically through the gate, not horizontally as in stills cameras.
Brook's fantastic FAQ's and/or Evin's many posts on this subject would explain it much better than I can

[kunal2]

thx fergus

It is a full size Cinema 35mm chip. In film cameras the film runs vertically through the gate, not horizontally as in stills cameras.
Brook's fantastic FAQ's and/or Evin's many posts on this subject would explain it much better than I can

[Stephen Williams]

Hi,

You could not use normal PL mounted lenses for 1 thing.

Stephen

[Daniel Gourley]

Hi,

You could not use normal PL mounted lenses for 1 thing.

Stephen

And that means what exactly?

[Stephen Williams]

And that means what exactly?
Hi,

PL mounted lenses are designed to cover the S35 negative area not a 8 Perf Visstavision (Nikon still camera) frame.

Stephen

[kunal2]

who manufacture the Mysterium sensor ?

[kunal2]

Hi all from RedOne,can we have a peek of how you assemble this camera in your factory,it is a very historic moment.....long live Red

[kunal2]

If we can attain this image quality after post process with RedOne cameras that would be wonderful.
cheers
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[jbeale]

And that means what exactly?
In the motion picture industry, "full frame" is typically S35 which is only 24 mm wide, instead of 36mm like a still film camera. For details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35_mm_film

The great majority of lenses designed for movie film shooting cover this 35mm or S35mm format (max. frame width of 24 mm). Movie or 'cine' lenses are different from normal still lenses because they are designed to be controlled remotely or by "focus pullers" so they have geared rings instead of manual grips. Good cine lenses are also designed to minimize "breathing", the tendency to zoom in or out slightly while changing focus. The "PL" style mount is common for 35mm film lenses. If you aren't familiar with film production, it may surprise you to learn that some good cine lenses are comparable to, or even higher in price than a Red camera body. See for example http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/c7a682995edb4e7585256b4d001ebd57/A7B41020E9EEEA6A85256CF60019CF69
If you designed a larger format camera you'd also have to throw away all the PL-mount lenses you might have and start over- not an attractive choice. Red was designed to match the S35 film frame and the PL lens mount so that industry standard motion picture lenses can be used without modification.

Jim Jannard has said little about the "Mysterium" sensor other than the specs listed on the red website. http://www.red.com/cameras/tech_specs
Apparently the chip is a brand-new, custom design (eg. Red intellectual property) and it is not some stock chip from Sony, Panasonic, etc. as is found in most video cameras. To my knowledge, no manufacturing details on the chip or the camera have been released.

[kunal2]

It would be interesting though to know some information about the manufacturing of this kind of sensor,and also if it can match a canon/Nikon sensor or better ?

[Joel Kaye]

It would be interesting though to know some information about the manufacturing of this kind of sensor,and also if it can match a canon/Nikon sensor or better ?

Well they'll probably never talk too much about the sensor since it's a trade secret. You could always search for a patent though.

Within a couple weeks I'm sure we'll have side by side tests with still cameras. Just sit back and enjoy some Ozzy until then. :red_bandana:

[Jiri Bakala]

Very nice photos, Alchemist! Thanks for posting.

[kunal2]

Hi,thx a lot dear

[Chuck T.]

It would be interesting though to know some information about the manufacturing of this kind of sensor,and also if it can match a canon/Nikon sensor or better ?

There are several manufacturers that produce similar sensors below are few:

1. Altasens
2. Dalsa
3. Panavision
4. Vision Research
5. IDT

And you have the big boys (i.e. Sony, Kodak, Panasonic etc...) You can also have one custom built for about ~750K, but that's just a sensor you will need a lot more that that.

RED makes their own sensor and it's got great specs.

[Jannard]

We manufacture our own sensor. The specs, along with the footage, speak for themselves. As far as I know, no other camera company makes a full cinema size sensor (S35mm) that shoots 4k at 60 fps.

I have posted some frame grabs from the NHRA Nationals (today) that can give you an idea of the quality. The 1st is a bit soft from motion, the 2nd two are crisp as crackers.

Jim

[kunal2]

Hi can we have the links please

[Joel Kaye]

Hi can we have the links please

Click the "New Posts" button above and look for the thread called Red in Indy

[mdo]

Hi can we have the links please

Indy shots so far (click on the magnifying glass):


Here is a quick pic from the pits.

From the starting line...

Night shot...

[Chuck T.]

As far as I know, no other camera company makes a full cinema size sensor (S35mm) that shoots 4k at 60 fps.
Jim
Vision Research has a camera that can shoot @4K (4096 x 2440) resolution and 125fps. Now the price and image quality.....:innocent:

[whachusay]

Jim Jannard should be President!

[Michael Schrengohst]

What - and take a cut in pay?

[Phil Bates]

Vision Research has a camera that can shoot @4K (4096 x 2440) resolution and 125fps. Now the price and image quality.....:innocent:

Image quality is decent. I welcome to see the side by side comparison with Red. Price is, oh...about 8x to 10x as much.

Phil
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[Mike Prevette]

Having shot a lot with the Phantom 65 (vision reasurch's 4k camera), I can tell you it can't hold up against the red. It's image is crude at best, and it's really not a well built general filmmakers tool. It's totally designed around high speed only.

_mike

[whachusay]

What - and take a cut in pay?LOL! :tongue: