View Full Version : Allstar A-mount system is available! --with REDONE approved!
ALLSTAR
02-06-2010, 11:38 PM
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/A-mount.jpg
A-mount system included A-mount and various adapters for different lenses. With the system, you can change your lenses quickly and safely, without adjusting the back focus length.
On A-mount system, now you can use Contax C/Y ,Leica R , M42, Nikon F , PL and BNCR lenese. In the future, there will be rehousing A-mount/PL lenses in the future as well.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_9385.jpg
With Allstar system, you can change those lenses at the same time, quickly and safely.There is Allstar A-mount system introduction video:https://vimeo.com/370601650
Now you could purchase these items of A-mount system:
A-mount for REDONE(item code: AM-r)
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/image/red_accessories_pic/_MG_3366.jpg
this product is made of 7075 Aluminum and stainless steel, it is very strong and durable.The price of A-mount is $350 USD.
A-mount got RED ONE warranty approved, so no problem on upgarding your camera after changing into A-mount :
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31890&highlight=Jarred+Land&page=16
*Allstar Universal Mount(item code: AM-un $320)
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/image/red_accessories_pic/AM-un2.jpg
Allstar universal mount goes with Mount base for different cameras, you use different mount base for different camera. It is made of thick stainless steel, and is very strong and accurate.
Mount Base:
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/html/red_accessories/A_M_mb.htm
Cine Adapters:
PL-adapter (item code: PL-a)
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/pl.jpg
it can be put on A-mount for you to mount your PL lens. It's very easy and fast to mount the lens on it, and also is very strong and firm. The price of PL-adapter is $290 USD.
BNCR-adapter (item code: BNCR-a)
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/bncr-1.jpg
This adapter is similar to PL-a, it can be also put on A-mount for you to mount your BNCR lens. The price of BNCR-a is $310 USD.
OCT-19-adapter (item code: OCT-a)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_0494.jpg
This adapter is similar to BNCR-a, it can be also put on A-mount for you to mount your OCT-19 lens. The price is $310 USD.
Still camera lens Adapters:
Nikon F-adapter (item code: F-a)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/--1.jpg
This adapter is made of stainless steel, it can be mount on your Nikon F lens very easy, so that "Nikon lenses people" can use it on the A-mount. The price of it is $180 USD/per.
here is F adapter install introduction http://vimeo.com/19708265
Contax C/Y adapter (item code: C/Y-a)
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_P3DOF3ifa9I/S1vXUC-YfXI/AAAAAAAAAWk/6Q3TtOXJacw/s720/_MG_3356.JPG
This adapter is like F-adapter. It can be put on the C/Y lens very quickly. The price is $180 USD/per.
here is CY adapter install introduction http://vimeo.com/35266735
M42 adapter (item code: M42-a)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/m42mount.jpg
This adapter could be screwed on the M42 lens. The price is $130 USD/per.
Leica R adapter (item code: R-a)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/R.jpg
This adapter can be put on the Leica R lens. The price is $190 USD/per.
here is R adapter install introduction http://vimeo.com/22769278
if you would like to order the products, you can visit the website: http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/html/red_accessories/Accessories.html
please send me the item code and the number of the products you want to purchase
to my email: allstar.cine@gmail.com
And I will reply the payment information.
thank you those who are tracking these products and thank you for your support.
:party:
ALLSTAR
02-06-2010, 11:42 PM
Some people suggested me to use universal system (like IMS) on my A-mount, however, my design not only can let you lock different lenses on your machine, but also improve the way to assemble the lenses, faster and safer. Moreover, the direction of lenses can be changed.
Due to some reasons, I cannot work over 2 days a week right now,:mad2:and this is very disturbing me.:emote_hanged:(I will explain if there is any chance in the future.) But this situation will be better in few months. I`ll update my wedside ASAP.
MichaelHalsell
02-07-2010, 02:31 AM
Great work and RED approved! What is the approx weight of the A-Mount and the F-Mount adapter?
Tom Gleeson
02-07-2010, 02:43 AM
Fantastic concept but like many others I will be swapping my Red one out to Epic. Investing further in the Red One is not smart in my position. Is there a plan to make this concept work with the Epic?
MichaelHalsell
02-07-2010, 02:56 AM
Fantastic concept but like many others I will be swapping my Red one out to Epic. Investing further in the Red One is not smart in my position. Is there a plan to make this concept work with the Epic?
Tom how is that possible, when the Epic is not a shipping product. 7500 RED Ones Vs. 0 Epics? How does one engineer to an unknown variable?
With the MX upgrades, means many owners are expressing in interest in keeping or extending the life of the RED One. RED is still shipping the RED One. So I don't believe the RED One has one foot in the grave. Not yet at least.
ogauchan
02-07-2010, 09:37 AM
Great invention. I got it about a week ago and absolutely loving it, very highly recommended to every RED owner should won one unless you can afford a real Pl lens.
Omkar
Sanjin Jukic
02-07-2010, 09:44 AM
Allstar,
congrats.
This mount will make at least 10 years long use of RED1 with MX upgrade!!!
David W. Jones
02-08-2010, 06:28 PM
Well I'm out.
Just did the math and $6000.00 for lens adapters is too much for a frugal kind of guy like me.
Julio Quintana
02-08-2010, 07:00 PM
Well I'm out.
Just did the math and $6000.00 for lens adapters is too much for a frugal kind of guy like me.
Ouch. It sounds like it's much cheaper to just use lenses with the same mount.
Kwan Khan
02-08-2010, 07:42 PM
Well I'm out.
Just did the math and $6000.00 for lens adapters is too much for a frugal kind of guy like me.
Please try your calculations again, Still Time to Get It Right.
ALLSTAR
02-09-2010, 01:22 AM
Great work and RED approved! What is the approx weight of the A-Mount and the F-Mount adapter?
thank you Michael!
the approx weight of A-mount is 235g, and F-adapter is 147 g.
ALLSTAR
02-09-2010, 05:27 AM
Great invention. I got it about a week ago and absolutely loving it, very highly recommended to every RED owner should won one unless you can afford a real Pl lens.
Omkar
thank you! Gauchan! for your post and support! If possible, would you please post someof your experience about using the mounts?
anyway, thank you!
:emote_hippie:
ALLSTAR
02-09-2010, 05:39 AM
Well I'm out.
Just did the math and $6000.00 for lens adapters is too much for a frugal kind of guy like me.
lol it seems that you have a bunch of lenses!
but except the A-mount cost $300 and PL-adapter cost $260 (these two you only need each only one!)
the other adapters (for Nikon and Contax) are $150.
if you want to have every adapter for each lens, then $6000 can buy 40 adapters for your 40 lenses!
if you would like to order 40 my adapters, I definitely will give you discount.
and thank you for your tracking here!
:emote_hippie:
David W. Jones
02-09-2010, 06:40 AM
Please try your calculations again, Still Time to Get It Right.
1 A Mount, 1 PL Mount, 36 lens adapters.
What does your math come out to?
All the Best!
Kwan Khan
02-09-2010, 07:35 AM
1 A Mount, 1 PL Mount, 36 lens adapters.
What does your math come out to?
All the Best!
Hey David,
Now you turning my coffee into theorems. If two wrongs don't make a right, lets try three. (lol)
Solution:
$300 (A-Mount) + $260 (PL-Adopter) + $150 (Nikon-Adopter) + $150 (Contax-Adopter) + Watch following video 33 Times for free (Quick change adaptor within 10 sec) = $860 :party:
http://www.vimeo.com/6047700
Good health, good luck, and happiness for today and every day
David W. Jones
02-09-2010, 07:49 AM
I don't want to change adapters at all during a shoot.
And the last thing you want is a renter mucking with changing out adapters.
Otherwise I'd just keep on doing what I am now & switch out mounts.
By the way, are there rear lens caps that come with the new lens mounts?
ogauchan
02-09-2010, 09:33 AM
I don't want to change adapters at all during a shoot.
And the last thing you want is a renter mucking with changing out adapters.
Otherwise I'd just keep on doing what I am now & switch out mounts.
By the way, are there rear lens caps that come with the new lens mounts?
Hi David,
I am not really getting the point. I have had this adapter for last 8-10 days, for me it just changing a mount for one time(A mount), after that you use whatever lens you have Nikon, PL, C/Y......and if i have 36 lenses, and that can be use in my RED by just expending $6000, i would blindly jump. It's just my thought(you don't have to agree)
ogauchan
02-09-2010, 09:42 AM
thank you! Gauchan! for your post and support! If possible, would you please post someof your experience about using the mounts?
anyway, thank you!
:emote_hippie:
Hi ALLSTAR,
I love to but i don't know what to put, but its for sure, i used to use my camera 2-3 times a month only because i had to rent PL lenses(Coz i don't own any) but now i just snap my Nikon lens and go and shoot. I waited for a while for this mount since you put your first video and it was worth of every single penny.
Omkar
MichaelHalsell
02-09-2010, 09:47 AM
I don't want to change adapters at all during a shoot.
And the last thing you want is a renter mucking with changing out adapters.
Otherwise I'd just keep on doing what I am now & switch out mounts.
By the way, are there rear lens caps that come with the new lens mounts?
Yes David you are correct. That would cost you $6000.
Mitch Gross
02-09-2010, 10:14 AM
David, you really have me curious. Could you post a list of the 36 different lenses you have in your kit?
David W. Jones
02-09-2010, 02:20 PM
Here are a few.
MichaelHalsell
02-09-2010, 02:24 PM
David nice set. What is the short and longest focal length in that photo?
Shane Betts
02-09-2010, 02:48 PM
Here are a few.
And you call yourself a frugal kind of guy? Those of us with three or four lenses can be called frugal but 36?
Totally envious BTW.
Nick Gardner
02-09-2010, 02:51 PM
How many of those are redundant?
Nick
Kwan Khan
02-09-2010, 03:55 PM
The last thing you want is a renter mucking with changing out adapters.
In this case, you're absolutely right.
It's Really Better to Buy in Bulk and save
MichaelHalsell
02-09-2010, 04:01 PM
In this case, you're absolutely right.
It's Really Better to Buy in Bulk and save
True
ALLSTAR
02-12-2010, 11:58 PM
Hi everyone*
I think I should explain more about the function of my A-mount system, and my suggestion for purchase.
A-mount is a kind of lens mount that I invented by myself. There is no lens use this system now.*But with adapters, it can be put together with many kinds of lenses. And the adapters improve yhe way to connect the lenses and also the lenses can change the direction. So my suggestion is, putting adapters on your lenses that you use very offten can make your work more efficiently. If you dont have enough budge, you can just buy 1-2 adapters for switch. If you use PL or BNCR lenses, you only need one adapter.
I have a bad news and one good news. The bad one is, the first 10 units are sold, which means no more 100 use discount. And the good news is, I will make SONY α adapter. Please give me time. Thank you !!!! **
Dave Blackham
02-13-2010, 12:14 AM
Hi everyone*
the good news is, I will make EF and SONY adapters. Please give me time. Thank you !!!! **
Fantastic news.........
Martin Weiss
02-13-2010, 03:51 PM
The bad one is, the first 10 units are sold
I'd say that is good news; more reviews coming in soon.
I am excited about the first "native" solution for Contax on the R1.
Derek Wan, HKSC
02-13-2010, 11:10 PM
And the good news is, I will make EF and SONY adapters. Please give me time.
Please make Nikon G lens iris control and Leica R B-mounts first.
Thanks,
Nano-25
02-14-2010, 05:07 AM
hi allstar
i am Nawaf from kuwait
i have both red lens and nikon lens
i need to switch between them in very short time
so what is the procedure to buy your mount?
Best Regards
Johnny Friday
02-14-2010, 08:08 AM
Please make Nikon G lens iris control and Leica R B-mounts first.
Thanks,
I AGREE here as well....Next solution is IRIS control on G lenses please, then you have my attention and business.
and very nice work BTW
Mikael Lubtchansky
02-15-2010, 12:59 PM
With the system, you can change your lenses quickly and safely, without adjusting the back focus length.
Hello ALLSTAR. very interesting and clever lens mount option for the red one !
Was wondering if there is any way you can adjust the back focus when using this mount (except by using shims in the lenses) ?
Thanks
Mikael
Dustin Cross
02-15-2010, 02:04 PM
Allstar,
This looks very interesting, but the video is a little confusing. There are three things in the video?
A-mount - this is the part that mounts on the camera
F-adapter - this is installed on the Nikon lens and allows me to mount Nikon lens to the A-mount
PL-adapter - this is connected to the A-mount and allows me to use standard PL mount lenses
Is that all correct?
Do all the adapters have proper FFD so I don't have to change FFD as I go from Nikon to PL lens?
How soon will you have the BNCR adapter ready. If FFD stays correct for PL, BNCR, and Nikon, I want this!
Mahalo,
Dusty
George A.
02-15-2010, 02:29 PM
Will this, in time, be available for Epic/Scarlet as well?
Martin Weiss
02-15-2010, 02:35 PM
hi allstar
i am Nawaf from kuwait
i have both red lens and nikon lens
i need to switch between them in very short time
so what is the procedure to buy your mount?
Best Regards
Hi Nawaf, please hop over to the Real Name thread to get your username sorted.
Allstar is (understandably) quite busy these days, so I'll try an answer.
When you have the A-mount installed on your RED, you'd need one PL-mount adapter, which would allow you to use the RED lenses, and then you need (at least) one Nikon adaptor to use the Nikon lenses. For speediest swap, you'd need one adaptor for each lens.
Andrew Walker
02-15-2010, 03:27 PM
Hi Nawaf, please hop over to the Real Name thread to get your username sorted.
Allstar is (understandably) quite busy these days, so I'll try an answer.
When you have the A-mount installed on your RED, you'd need one PL-mount adapter, which would allow you to use the RED lenses, and then you need (at least) one Nikon adaptor to use the Nikon lenses. For speediest swap, you'd need one adaptor for each lens.
See I was thinking that 3 Nikon adaptors might be enough to start out with. That way you can have two on lenses you use the most and then just swap the third around onto whatever lens you need.
Dustin Cross
02-15-2010, 05:29 PM
Allstar,
Is it possible to make a Nikon (f mount) adapter more like you PL adapter so I just have to buy one and just mount Nikon lenses like normal? I know this won't be as nice as your current F-mount adapter and won't be positive lock, but it would be a good alternative for people who just need to quickly put on a Nikon lens every now and then.
Dusty
Mitch Gross
02-15-2010, 06:06 PM
Hello ALLSTAR. very interesting and clever lens mount option for the red one !
Was wondering if there is any way you can adjust the back focus when using this mount (except by using shims in the lenses) ?
Thanks
Mikael
I don't think that the ALLSTAR mount alters the depth adjustment system of the RED One mount. So a collimating device such as the NULL Lens with one of ALLSTAR's PL mount adapters on it should prove accurate. Also, by using the NULL one could compare the various PL adapters to see if there are any variations and then shim the lenses appropriately. Nice match. With the Nikon version of the NULL (coming soon) you could do the same for Nikon lenses. Then all your lenses would definitely be dead on when swapping between them in the field.
JD Holloway
02-16-2010, 09:13 AM
wow EF mounts too?!?!!??!?
How are you going to control iris???
FANTASTIC NEWS!
Nano-25
02-16-2010, 10:05 AM
Hi Nawaf, please hop over to the Real Name thread to get your username sorted.
Allstar is (understandably) quite busy these days, so I'll try an answer.
When you have the A-mount installed on your RED, you'd need one PL-mount adapter, which would allow you to use the RED lenses, and then you need (at least) one Nikon adaptor to use the Nikon lenses. For speediest swap, you'd need one adaptor for each lens.
ok
best regards
Martin Weiss
02-16-2010, 11:28 AM
Nano,
Just read the info in the first post of this thread, there is the order email, prices, and order codes.
Mikael Lubtchansky
02-16-2010, 01:36 PM
I don't think that the ALLSTAR mount alters the depth adjustment system of the RED One mount. So a collimating device such as the NULL Lens with one of ALLSTAR's PL mount adapters on it should prove accurate. Also, by using the NULL one could compare the various PL adapters to see if there are any variations and then shim the lenses appropriately. Nice match. With the Nikon version of the NULL (coming soon) you could do the same for Nikon lenses. Then all your lenses would definitely be dead on when swapping between them in the field.
Thanks Mitch, with the much shorter flange for the nikons I thought it had to somehow be mounted way back thus removing red's back focus adjustment neck... but thinking about it... it certainly wouldn't have been officially approved if it did so... :-)
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 05:07 AM
Allstar,
This looks very interesting, but the video is a little confusing. There are three things in the video?
A-mount - this is the part that mounts on the camera
F-adapter - this is installed on the Nikon lens and allows me to mount Nikon lens to the A-mount
PL-adapter - this is connected to the A-mount and allows me to use standard PL mount lenses
Is that all correct?
Do all the adapters have proper FFD so I don't have to change FFD as I go from Nikon to PL lens?
How soon will you have the BNCR adapter ready. If FFD stays correct for PL, BNCR, and Nikon, I want this!
Mahalo,
Dusty
What you mentioned are totally right Dusty.
FFD stays correct for all kinds of lenses.
and BNCR adapter needs about one month.
thank you!
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 05:09 AM
Will this, in time, be available for Epic/Scarlet as well?
We might just need a plate!
I will let your A-mount keep alive on the Epic.
If it cannot, I will change a new one for you.
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 05:16 AM
Hi Nawaf, please hop over to the Real Name thread to get your username sorted.
Allstar is (understandably) quite busy these days, so I'll try an answer.
When you have the A-mount installed on your RED, you'd need one PL-mount adapter, which would allow you to use the RED lenses, and then you need (at least) one Nikon adaptor to use the Nikon lenses. For speediest swap, you'd need one adaptor for each lens.
Thanks Martin! what you posted here is correct.
"My time is limited by my nation" right now. I've been hoping that I can finish all of these works soon.
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 05:19 AM
Allstar,
Is it possible to make a Nikon (f mount) adapter more like you PL adapter so I just have to buy one and just mount Nikon lenses like normal? I know this won't be as nice as your current F-mount adapter and won't be positive lock, but it would be a good alternative for people who just need to quickly put on a Nikon lens every now and then.
Dusty
if you like so, P+S IMS system fits what you want.
Martin Weiss
02-17-2010, 05:22 AM
if you like so, P+S IMS system fits what you want.
Which unfortunately voids the warranty on your RED1 and kills the upgrade path to Epic. So you might want to wait with that option until your R1 is marked as executed.
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 05:30 AM
wow EF mounts too?!?!!??!?
How are you going to control iris???
FANTASTIC NEWS!
I just thought that I have to give up EF
I didn't want to control iris in the beginning, and just wanted to make EF adapter for other lenses to convert. However, I found out that its size bothers me a lot,and without iris control it isn't much helpful. So last night I decided to give up.
Sorry! everybody.:emote_headwall:
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 06:03 AM
I don't think that the ALLSTAR mount alters the depth adjustment system of the RED One mount. So a collimating device such as the NULL Lens with one of ALLSTAR's PL mount adapters on it should prove accurate. Also, by using the NULL one could compare the various PL adapters to see if there are any variations and then shim the lenses appropriately. Nice match. With the Nikon version of the NULL (coming soon) you could do the same for Nikon lenses. Then all your lenses would definitely be dead on when swapping between them in the field.
A-mount system keeps RED's adjustment system. And I am designing a kind of back focus-adjustable lens (with PL/a/F mount) . It can project charter on senser, so you can use it in any place.
Kwan Khan
02-17-2010, 06:07 AM
Nice... Good news @allstar
IAN SUN
02-17-2010, 07:17 AM
Great work! I would love to order your system because of the flexibility, but I need G lens iris control, are you planning to implement this soon? Otherwise I may have to go with the Optitek.
ALLSTAR
02-17-2010, 06:59 PM
G lens iris control is absolutely going to make ASAP, but I will make it on adapter. In other words, you`ll need to take lens off before adjust iris. I know it isn`t a good design but it`ll cost least. If you really want to get native iris control, maybe wait for my rehousing lens.
A mount could attach different type of lenese, not only a solid F mount.
MichaelHalsell
02-17-2010, 07:16 PM
Anyone know a good source for PL rear lens caps? Thanks.
Tim Morten
02-18-2010, 06:56 AM
G lens iris control is absolutely going to make ASAP, but I will make it on adapter. In other words, you`ll need to take lens off before adjust iris. I know it isn`t a good design but it`ll cost least. If you really want to get native iris control, maybe wait for my rehousing lens.
A mount could attach different type of lenese, not only a solid F mount.
As a current ProLock user, I'd really encourage an externally accessible iris control, even if it adds cost. Removing the lens to change aperture seems impractical on a shoot, and I already own lenses that don't have iris rings of their own.
Mitch Gross
02-18-2010, 07:30 AM
ALLSTAR, as I look at it, the best way to use your adapter system is to purchase these varius mount adapters and leave them on the lenses. But that means that the rear lens caps will no longer fit on the lenses. Are you going to offer A-mount rear lens caps?
ogauchan
02-18-2010, 08:01 AM
ALLSTAR, as I look at it, the best way to use your adapter system is to purchase these varius mount adapters and leave them on the lenses. But that means that the rear lens caps will no longer fit on the lenses. Are you going to offer A-mount rear lens caps?
To answer your question, He sends adapter with their own rear cap. You can see the one i got with adapter.
Omkar
MichaelHalsell
02-18-2010, 08:07 AM
cool.
Mitch Gross
02-18-2010, 09:10 AM
Lovely, thank you.
Martin Weiss
02-18-2010, 03:43 PM
To answer your question, He sends adapter with their own rear cap. You can see the one i got with adapter.
Omkar
Yummy 85/1.4 :)
ALLSTAR
02-19-2010, 02:25 AM
As a current ProLock user, I'd really encourage an externally accessible iris control, even if it adds cost. Removing the lens to change aperture seems impractical on a shoot, and I already own lenses that don't have iris rings of their own.
Hello~
We all know that "one cannot sell the cow and drink the milk"
Now I can just offer this way to control iris, if you want better, you could wait for rehousing lenses. ProLock supports Nikon lenses very well, but only for Nikon lenses.
ALLSTAR
02-19-2010, 02:26 AM
Yummy 85/1.4 :)
Contax 85mm1.4 is soft for me, I like ZA 85/1.4 more.:001_cool:
Dustin Cross
02-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Allstar,
Any plans to make an OCT-19, FD, or PV adapter for your A-mount?
Is it possible to make an F-mount that attaches to the A-mount instead of attaching to the Nikon lens? That would be a nice choice for those who don't use Nikon very often, but would still like to be able to quickly use Nikon lenses.
As soon as you have the BNCR mount ready I want one!
Thanks,
Dusty
ALLSTAR
02-25-2010, 06:52 AM
Allstar,
Any plans to make an OCT-19, FD, or PV adapter for your A-mount?
Is it possible to make an F-mount that attaches to the A-mount instead of attaching to the Nikon lens? That would be a nice choice for those who don't use Nikon very often, but would still like to be able to quickly use Nikon lenses.
As soon as you have the BNCR mount ready I want one!
Thanks,
Dusty
no way for FD, but OCT-19 and PV adapter are possible. maybe later, but now the point is completing the R and Nikon G adapter.
I try to design Nikon G adapter with Iris control on the lens, now the sample is almost ready. M42 and Leica Radapter are ready to be sell. And followed by BNCR mount and back focus length lens.
This is conflicting. For improving the imperfection of ensemble the still camera lens, I designed this adapter that is very strong and direction-changable. And now go back to the original ensemble way?
It is very easy to take apart the adapter, if you don't use Nikon lenses very often, you can buy one adapter for switch, which should be much inexpensive than buying one mount, you can consider with that:)
Dustin Cross
02-25-2010, 08:03 AM
Allstar,
I agree, your current F-adapter is great and going back is not as good. I will just get two F-adapters.
I really want the BNCR mount though, so please make it now. :)
Dusty
Andrew Rieger
02-25-2010, 05:37 PM
Allstar, Wow, this product really blows me away. I love how Red buisness plan of transparency has resulted in the creation of accessory companies that also utilize customer input in the creation of new and exciting products. A couple of questions...
1. How could you modify this system to be designed around the new Scarlet and Epic system? I am not sure how the new DSMC mount system works but I am sure that you will figure something out. (I think that the new mount uses 4 holes instead of six. have you considered building Nikon to PL adapters or does that not work?)
2. What back focus devices would you recommend to ensure that the lenses are spot on? Do you believe that the lenses will need some shimming in order to get them to all match up?
Basically, I am looking for the most robust way of mounting my Nikon style glass to the new system without having the lenses converted to PL mounts (which would be too expensive to be worthwhile).
ogauchan
02-25-2010, 06:14 PM
Hi Andrew,
As a AllStar mount user, I can't answer to your first question but on your second question, I have Nikon and C/Y mount both and both distance matches right on the spot. Once you screw on the mount it stay as rock. I loved it. I will be shooting a commercial next week with A mount with Zeiss/Contax lenses. I will post the result once it is done.
Omkar
ALLSTAR
02-27-2010, 05:15 AM
1. How could you modify this system to be designed around the new Scarlet and Epic system? I am not sure how the new DSMC mount system works but I am sure that you will figure something out. (I think that the new mount uses 4 holes instead of six. have you considered building Nikon to PL adapters or does that not work?)
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Scarlet and Epic's design is putting the mount on the board, so I can do like that, making one board for it. after they are out.
For Nikon to PL, it is easy and okay for the long length, like 80-200.
However, I don't just want to make Nikon to PL, I want rehousing. Maybe rehousing the new one 70-200.
ALLSTAR
02-27-2010, 05:21 AM
2. What back focus devices would you recommend to ensure that the lenses are spot on? Do you believe that the lenses will need some shimming in order to get them to all match up?
Do you mean device for adjusting BFL?
if yes, I am making it.
Gary Ploj
03-05-2010, 02:19 PM
Can you A-mount to a Canon camera...like a 5dMII? Or is it only for RedOne?
Dustin Cross
03-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Allstar,
Any status on your BNCR mount adapter? I am ready to buy as soon as you have BNCR ready. I really want this, but need BNCR.
ALLSTAR
03-14-2010, 04:17 AM
R and M42 will be available this week, and BNCR is in process, but I cannot tell you when it will be done. I hope it and other products can be done asap. Because time is very limited for me now, and I cannot reply the questions or delay the shipment, because I am now serving in the army-- Mandatory. From last August. I only have 8 free days in one month, and spend other time in the army where cannot use Internet, so I have to contact with my friend by phone and solve the problems and answer the questions, and all the sell service. This way, the process is easily becoming delay and mistakes. I apologize for all the inconvenience. And the manufacture process becomes very slow because I don't have enough time to communicate with the factory. So I do these works with times of effort in limited time. After 4 months, I will be free!! And everything can be worked as normal as before. Peace & Love.
Carmel Bruno
03-14-2010, 04:50 AM
Hey Allstar, you are superman... serving in the army, R&D, answering emails, posting on here, inventor, communicating with factory, mailing finished products, etc. etc.. Maybe you should work directly for RED. Good luck with it..
ALLSTAR
03-15-2010, 07:31 AM
Hey Allstar, you are superman... serving in the army, R&D, answering emails, posting on here, inventor, communicating with factory, mailing finished products, etc. etc.. Maybe you should work directly for RED. Good luck with it..
I've been living this way in past 7 months and this will end in 4 months. And then I can work NORMALLY.
Dustin Cross
03-15-2010, 08:59 AM
Allstar,
Totally understand. I served 8 years in the military. As soon as you have the BNCR mount I am buying. I would buy now and wait, but a couple other vendors took foreverand I don't want to deal with that again.
Dusty
ALLSTAR
03-20-2010, 07:13 AM
Hi, Guys
R adapter is available, the price is $150 ,Please visit page 1 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=549914&postcount=1)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_8667.jpg
Dave Blackham
04-03-2010, 01:14 PM
We received our A mount, its first rate, beautiful machining and very sturdy.
We fitted the R mount with Summilux 50mm f1.4, its very beautiful glass, even after a few shots its starting to transform the way we are able to use Red with other non cine lenses.
The R lenses we have seem to be able to work really well for our application. The are not as mechanicaly elegant as a true cine lens but one of the most workable we have. We will get the R lenses fitted with lens gears and 80mm fronts and I think they will be fine. The Leica glass is second to none. Ill post some tests here shortly.
The A mount is a real step forward, I cant recommend it highly enough.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6045&stc=1&d=1270328437
Dustin Cross
04-05-2010, 01:28 PM
Allstar,
Checking in Again on the BNCR A-mount adapter. I really want one!!!!
Dusty
Dave Blackham
04-10-2010, 02:05 AM
Glen, Working Gordon Setter.
Red One, M sensor, A Mount, Leica R 50mm Summilux. Ungraded.
Derek Wan, HKSC
04-11-2010, 12:54 PM
http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=581143&postcount=83
Allstar,
Can you make a B mount for Leica M lenses based on the info above? P+S IMS system accepts M lenses. Can you do something similar?
Also, I am still waiting for your Nikon mount with G lens iris control. Something like this would be nice (in terms of iris control).
http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g/
Thanks,
ALLSTAR
04-11-2010, 09:19 PM
The FFD of A-mount is 44mm, if I want to make it shorter, it will lose REDONE approved and your warranty.
So FD, M, 4/3...which has FFD less then 44mm won`t be mounted on A-mount.
The G lens adapter will work like F adapter, and iris ring control will on the rear of lens, it will provide iris detents like a native iris ring. I think it will perfrom better then that adapter.
BNCR....I need to finish G adapter first.:emote_hanged:
ALLSTAR
04-11-2010, 09:34 PM
After trying some Leica lenses, I have to say: If you want to get still camera lenses for movie camera, Leica lenses is the best choice, the only defect is too expensive, or I`ll get a set of Leica. Ziess isn`t a competitor in still camera lenses, specially ZF, just won in price.
Dustin Cross
04-30-2010, 05:07 PM
Hopefully you will be able to modify your A mount to work with Epic.
Dusty
Gary Ploj
05-06-2010, 08:50 AM
Hi,
I asked this question before, didn't get a response...can you use A-mount on a Canon camera?
Thanks.
David (dudi) Namir
05-06-2010, 08:55 AM
After trying some Leica lenses, I have to say: If you want to get still camera lenses for movie camera, Leica lenses is the best choice, the only defect is too expensive, or I`ll get a set of Leica. Ziess isn`t a competitor in still camera lenses, specially ZF, just won in price.
Thanks for the confirmation.
I do have a set of Leica van Diemen rehoused lenses. 10 absolutely magnificent gorgeous lenses.
15mm 19 21 25 28 35 50 75 100 135mm
John Fairstein
05-06-2010, 11:25 AM
Allstar A-mount system is available! --with REDONE approved!
Hi Allstar - I just want to confirm that my wonderful Allstar mount has been approved by RED and will not void warranty or make the RED ineligible for the Stage 2/3 Epic upgrade. Jarred's list at http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29327&highlight=approved%2Blens%2Bmounts and Martin Weiss list at http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20179 don't list Allstar as approved. Do you have a link or quote from Jim or Jarred? This is very important that we have some form of written approval from RED - Thank you, John
C.H.Haskell
05-06-2010, 12:29 PM
It is approved, I asked Jarred myself....perhaps he can chime in again. I am currently DPing a feature in Dublin Ireland using and testing the ALLSTAR A-mount and its hands down the best alternative to PL mount I have used. I wish I could get my Leica M glass converted but as many know its complicated. Turned my Nikon ZF set into a quality robust set of lenses with a mount that can stand real world production use. Wrapping feature tomorrow and I will be following up with a full review. When there is an A-mount made for the EPIC I plan to continue using it, simply no comparison with an f-mount (nikon). cheers.
Dustin Cross
05-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Allstar,
Any word on BNCR adapter for your A-mount. I am ready to buy two A-mount systems once you have a working BNCR adapter. PLEASE!!!!
Thanks,
Dusty
Martin Weiss
05-21-2010, 11:58 PM
A-Star mount has been approved.
(And it's awesome, I might add.)
ALLSTAR
05-31-2010, 12:01 PM
Hi guys , there are prototype of BNCR and G Lens adapter. BNCR adapter are doing the surface treatment right now, Will available soon. I'm so apologize for keeping you waiting, after 2 months when I retire from god damn army, I can control the rate of scheduled progress normally.
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/bncr.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/gf.jpg
With A-mount system, you can use different lenses in a project, because you don`t need to waste time on changing mount. for example:
This is a tight-buget commercial project, so I rent a set of Zeiss T1.3 MKIII to shot major scene:
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/IMG_8937.jpg
and Nikon G 14-24mm for wide shot
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/IMG_8928.jpg
and Lieca 90mm for close-up
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/IMG_8931.jpg
Kwan Khan
05-31-2010, 12:32 PM
Nice Work
Dave Blackham
05-31-2010, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the confirmation.
I do have a set of Leica van Diemen rehoused lenses. 10 absolutely magnificent gorgeous lenses.
15mm 19 21 25 28 35 50 75 100 135mm
We are doing this too. We don't have the Van Diemen converted lenses but the Leica R's with gears fitted work just fine. The images are beautiful.
And I can take the A mount off and put them on a 5D, and they cover FF35.......
Gary Ploj
06-02-2010, 10:01 AM
I've been asking the same question but no one has answered....
A-mount to Canon?
Yes or No
David Battistella
06-02-2010, 10:17 AM
I've been asking the same question but no one has answered....
A-mount to Canon?
Yes or No
no.
already answered in this thread about four times.
david
Gary Ploj
06-02-2010, 01:28 PM
Sorry, I missed that...any reason why?
David Battistella
06-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Sorry, I missed that...any reason why?
Flange distance.
David
Gary Ploj
06-03-2010, 04:15 PM
Thanks for explanation. Too bad.
Andrew Walker
06-08-2010, 09:12 AM
My A-Mount with the PL-mount and 3 Nikon mounts are now sitting in customs. Hopefully that doesn't take long because I would like to get my mounts before the weekend. Might have a job for them this weekend.
Zakaree Sandberg
06-08-2010, 12:02 PM
mine were out next day... but of course the post office effed my delivery up
Andrew Walker
06-08-2010, 04:37 PM
mine were out next day... but of course the post office effed my delivery up
Well the post office has never failed me yet. So hopefully I'll have them before the end of the week. How are you liking your setup right now. How many Nikon adaptors did you get?
Dustin Cross
06-08-2010, 07:02 PM
Allstar,
Is it possible to make an OCT-19 adapter for your A-mount?
Dusty
Zakaree Sandberg
06-08-2010, 10:15 PM
I got 5 adapters...
Andrew Walker
06-10-2010, 12:27 PM
Looks like my A-Mount left customs yesterday and should be getting to me today or tomorrow. I can't wait. Now I just need to figure out how to mount some anamorphic adaptors that I just got onto my ZFs.
Chester Lehmann
06-22-2010, 10:05 AM
Allstar,
I have my A-Mount for 3 or 4 month now, and it is a wonderfull accessorie, very usefull, I love it.
Now it's my time to upgrade to MX sensor... No problem with A-Mount on the new sensor?? This question is because I don't know if the original RED One PL-Mount suffer any changes when upgrading the camera.
Andrew Walker
06-22-2010, 10:41 AM
Allstar,
I have my A-Mount for 3 or 4 month now, and it is a wonderfull accessorie, very usefull, I love it.
Now it's my time to upgrade to MX sensor... No problem with A-Mount on the new sensor?? This question is because I don't know if the original RED One PL-Mount suffer any changes when upgrading the camera.
I'm using the Allstar A-mount with my RED MX and there has been no problem what-so-ever. So far I'm really liking my A-mount and I think its something that people should buy if they want to shoot with certain still lenses. Mainly all the ones that have a manual iris.
ericyoung
06-22-2010, 02:47 PM
Allstar,
I have my A-Mount for 3 or 4 month now, and it is a wonderfull accessorie, very usefull, I love it.
Now it's my time to upgrade to MX sensor... No problem with A-Mount on the new sensor?? This question is because I don't know if the original RED One PL-Mount suffer any changes when upgrading the camera.
In case you missed it on the M-X upgrade email - Make sure you put the original RED PL mount back on before sending back for M-X upgrade or they won't do the upgrade!
ALLSTAR
06-27-2010, 06:26 AM
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/bncr-1.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy276/allstar-cine/bncr2.jpg
Hi, guys
BNCR adapter is ready to go, the price is $280
ALLSTAR
06-27-2010, 06:30 AM
Allstar,
Is it possible to make an OCT-19 adapter for your A-mount?
Dusty
It is possible, but not now, I have to finish other products first.
Johnny Friday
06-27-2010, 09:54 AM
In case you missed it on the M-X upgrade email - Make sure you put the original RED PL mount back on before sending back for M-X upgrade or they won't do the upgrade!
I recently sent mine in for upgrade and asked it they cared if i left on my locking Nikon mount....They said no problem. It was not mandatory to send it back with my PL mount installed---just to make it clear. BUT, i'd suggest calling or emailing your rep first.
George A.
06-27-2010, 10:18 AM
Allstar,
Amazing news with the BNCR mount.
Now that you have most adapters, I hope it will be very easy to implement them on the upcoming EPIC.
Zakaree Sandberg
06-27-2010, 10:46 AM
ordered my bncr mount 3 days ago:)
ALLSTAR
06-27-2010, 10:42 PM
Allstar,
Amazing news with the BNCR mount.
Now that you have most adapters, I hope it will be very easy to implement them on the upcoming EPIC.
Hi,
A-mount will be attached on EPIC easily, just need to wait for EPIC available.
After finishing nikon G adapter, I`ll stop produce new types of adapter, and focus on rehousing lenses.
Thank you very much
Derek Wan, HKSC
08-02-2010, 11:45 PM
Is the Nikon G version available yet? How many different ones are you making/selling now? Sorry, I have been busy and have not kept up with the forum lately?
ALLSTAR
08-05-2010, 08:14 PM
Hi Derek,
It will be available soon.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_9757.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_9763.jpg
five parts
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_9760.jpg
test video:
http://vimeo.com/13927314
David Kellermann
08-06-2010, 03:11 AM
Amazing! Does the aparture ring has hard stops? And will there be perhaps a possibility to keep the electronic contact to the camera for the pro redmote to use it as a follow focus?
Larry McKee
08-06-2010, 02:55 PM
Very nice!
Zakaree Sandberg
08-06-2010, 07:04 PM
time to buy that 70-200
ericyoung
08-08-2010, 09:37 AM
I recently sent mine in for upgrade and asked it they cared if i left on my locking Nikon mount....They said no problem. It was not mandatory to send it back with my PL mount installed---just to make it clear. BUT, i'd suggest calling or emailing your rep first.
I was just going by the MX upgrade email - I think they've been fine with their own Red Nikon mount instead in the past, but probably not with a third party mount like Allstars. Safer just to put the PL mount back on probably?
Zakaree Sandberg
08-08-2010, 10:44 AM
I was just going by the MX upgrade email - I think they've been fine with their own Red Nikon mount instead in the past, but probably not with a third party mount like Allstars. Safer just to put the PL mount back on probably?
I keep my A mount on..
i think its an approved mount, you can keep it on.
Shane Betts
08-08-2010, 09:19 PM
It's approved but I would tend to swap back to the PL before you send it in. I can vouch that little variances from the plan can cause delays.
Larry McKee
08-08-2010, 10:01 PM
Amazing! Does the aparture ring has hard stops? And will there be perhaps a possibility to keep the electronic contact to the camera for the pro redmote to use it as a follow focus?
My guess is "yes" to the hard stops and "no" the electronic contacts.
ALLSTAR
08-13-2010, 06:46 AM
You are right, Larry
Derek Wan, HKSC
08-13-2010, 08:02 AM
Hi Derek,
It will be available soon.
test video:
http://vimeo.com/13927314
Great to hear that. I hope the aperture ring is not as smooth as it looks. I am afraid the iris would be hard to turn without much friction on the metal ring.
In any event, it's a piece of great work. Please let us know as soon as this adapter ships, thank you.
ALLSTAR
08-29-2010, 10:28 AM
hi Everyone,
Finally I retired from the army couple days ago,( :hurray:goodbye to tanks and my rifle)
Now I can concentrate on the producing and offering better service
Nikon G adapter is lasering mark, and will be ready on stock soon. The price is $210, higher than F adapter, because the producing of it is more difficult and it has more parts.
However, I am not satisfying with this edition.
The construction of iris ring is way too complex. So it is going to be on sale for introducing price $180 USD/ per. While supplies last.
Next time I will improve the construction to let it be more simple.
I am now also making OCT19 adapter, when it is done, I will focus on producing rehousing lenses.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_9344.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/SANY0712.jpg
below is pictures of rehousing phototype, it is now still in design
I will keep working harder
thank you very much
Larry McKee
08-29-2010, 11:01 AM
Congratulations on completing your military service. I'm looking forward to seeing your new products. Especially eager to see what you do with lenses.
Dustin Cross
08-29-2010, 11:42 AM
Tom,
What lenses are you planning to rehouse? Which mount PL or A-mount?
The three zooms would be great.
17-35mm f2.8
28-70mm f2.8
70-200mm f2.8
Either the Canon L or Nikon. That set in PL with proper gears and manual iris would be awesome.
Dusty
ALLSTAR
08-29-2010, 09:11 PM
I'm rehousing prime lens, I choose the lens which has the best optics resolution.
Nikon 24/1.4 G (not sure yet)
35mm TBA
50mm TBA
Sony 85/1.4 ZA
Sony 135/1.8 ZA
They are expensive, but I need their optics quality.
And zoom lens will choose:
Nikon 14-24 G
Sony 24-70 ZA
Nikon 70-200 G
All of them will have PL mount, and could be added A or F mount on the rear.
I don't like the green and red chromatic dispersion on Canon lenses, and iris will be difficult to deal with.
All rehousing will be cine-style(gears, front diameter....), and cover FF35. It won`t have electronic contact, electronic contact brings trouble, and all mechanically could let it work until next century.
Thanks
Allstar
David Kellermann
08-30-2010, 02:03 AM
Why did you chose the Sony 24-70 over the Nikon 24-70? I used the Nikon on a feature resently and was very pleased. Also it would probably match nicely with the Nikon 14-24 and 70-200... Anyway I'm looking forward to these lenses!
off topic: Do you know if there is a way to change the mount on Canon HDSLRs to Nikon? Or if there are good adapters with the right FFD?
Dustin Cross
08-30-2010, 06:52 AM
That sounds awesome! Will you be able to change the rotation of the focus gearing on the Nikons or will they rotate backwards from cine standard?
What about expanding the focus rotation? All those AF lenses have a very short focus throw.
Dusty
Dan Kanes
08-31-2010, 04:13 PM
Wow! This is awesome. I'll gladly send you a sigma 24mm 1.8 with broken autofocus if it helps your quest.
Sigma might not be a bad
Option...they have:
20mm 1.8
24mm 1.8
28mm 1.8
30mm 1.4
50mm 1.4
85mm 1.4
Looking forward to trying some Allstar PL primes!
Dan
Derek Wan, HKSC
08-31-2010, 08:01 PM
hi Everyone,
Nikon G adapter is lasering mark, and will be ready on stock soon. The price is $210, higher than F adapter, because the producing of it is more difficult and it has more parts.
However, I am not satisfying with this edition.
The construction of iris ring is way too complex. So it is going to be on sale for introducing price $180 USD/ per. While supplies last.
Next time I will improve the construction to let it be more simple.
So, if I want the next badge "improved G mount (at $210)", how soon will I get it?
I need at leaset two Nikon G, one Nikon F, one Leica R and some PL, plus an A mount, naturally. Will I get them all in one shipment soon?
I kind of lost track on how many items you have available for sale (not to mention the upcoming offerings), do you have a website that list everything we could order right now or down the road?
Marc Berger
09-15-2010, 01:26 AM
Hi Allstar,
sorry if this was asked before:
Could I use a Allstar Nikon G-mount directly with the PL mount from Red?
Thanks,
Marc
Kwan Khan
09-15-2010, 05:15 AM
Hi Allstar,
sorry if this was asked before:
Could I use a Allstar Nikon G-mount directly with the PL mount from Red?
Thanks,
Marc
Nope, You need A-Mount
Dustin Cross
09-15-2010, 07:42 AM
I have been using my All Star mount with PL, BNCR, and Nikon adapters for a couple months now and it is AWESOME!
We had some problems with the BNCR mount in the begining. There was an easy fix, but Tom didn't like that solution, so he sent me seven different BNCR adapters until he had it just right.
The mount is great. It makes it so easy to switch between PL, BNCR, and Nikon lenses. And the support from All star is great too.
Dusty
Dan Kanes
09-16-2010, 01:05 PM
A Mount ROCKS.
Can't wait to see the next innovation from These Guys.
Brilliant work.
Kwan Khan
09-22-2010, 05:56 PM
I'm rehousing prime lens, I choose the lens which has the best optics resolution.
Nikon 24/1.4 G (not sure yet)
35mm TBA
50mm TBA
Sony 85/1.4 ZA
Sony 135/1.8 ZA
They are expensive, but I need their optics quality.
And zoom lens will choose:
Nikon 14-24 G
Sony 24-70 ZA
Nikon 70-200 G
All of them will have PL mount, and could be added A or F mount on the rear.
I don't like the green and red chromatic dispersion on Canon lenses, and iris will be difficult to deal with.
All rehousing will be cine-style(gears, front diameter....), and cover FF35. It won`t have electronic contact, electronic contact brings trouble, and all mechanically could let it work until next century.
Thanks
Allstar
Any update?
ALLSTAR
09-25-2010, 06:31 AM
I have one bad news about G adapter..
Now it can controll the iris,
but it cannot have steps on iris ring, because it has 3mm play.
So I cannot make step mark on it.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_9460.jpg
I am re-designing the whole stuff to solve the problem.
So ..there will be another long waiting...
so...please kill me as you wish...:emote_whack:
but if you can not wait, these units of G adapter now I have, will be sold for $150/each. You can controll exposure through the screen, or false color.
And even if you are not satisfied about the function, you can still use it as a F adapter. (You just have to emsemble the three parts in the photo)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_9466.jpg
You can refer to the A-mount website.
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/html/red_accessories/A_mount_system.htm
Hi Kwan,
the first rehousing lenses will be simga 50mm/1.4
Kwan Khan
09-25-2010, 03:46 PM
Thanks for update.
Hi Kwan,
the first rehousing lenses will be simga 50mm/1.4
Sigma 50mm and Nikon 50mm, two lenses are close cousins in terms of performance.
Is there a specific reason why you're going for sigma instead of Nikon?
Dan Kanes
09-25-2010, 05:24 PM
Please put me down as first in line for a reservation on your PL mounted 50mm Allstar Lens :)
ALLSTAR
09-25-2010, 11:37 PM
Kwan, are you talking about ZF 50mm?
Kwan Khan
09-30-2010, 11:36 PM
Kwan, are you talking about ZF 50mm?
yes ZF 50mm. I believe rehousing sigma 50mm will cost much less compare to ZF 50mm.
ALLSTAR
10-07-2010, 08:03 AM
sigma 50mm has little better perfrom than ZF, especially at 1.4. Although people just like the brand, but I just believe in real test.
Kwan Khan
10-07-2010, 11:19 AM
got it.
Any ETA on sigma 50 (PL)?
jawafilms
10-16-2010, 02:21 PM
I have purchased 1 all star mount with Nikon f mount.. i want to know if i can use a tokina 11-16
using that mount and how will i focus it..
also can you suggest me what lenses i should go for
to complete a good set at a reasonable prices
Larry McKee
10-16-2010, 02:55 PM
Focusing the Tokina is easy. Just move the focus ring to the MF position. Adjusting the iris is the challenge. You will need to get Allstar's Nikon G mount for any lens that doesn't have an iris ring.
As far as reasonably priced lenses, I have had really good luck with the Nikon AIS lenses. The Zeiss ZF lenses are very popular, as well.
Cliff Hokanson
10-17-2010, 12:01 AM
Yes this is a huge price just put the $6000 as a down payment on a lens.
C
John Fairstein
11-01-2010, 06:45 AM
Hi ALLSTAR - Any news about the OCT-19 mount adapter?
[QUOTE=ALLSTAR;644881]hi Everyone,
I am now also making OCT19 adapter, when it is done, I will focus on producing rehousing lenses.
Kwan Khan
11-05-2010, 12:57 PM
Update please on (Sigma 50mm PL) @ All-Star
Derek Wan, HKSC
11-20-2010, 06:10 PM
Allstar,
Have you finished the improved B mount for Nikon G mount lenses yet?
ALLSTAR
11-25-2010, 09:49 AM
Hi, Kwan , Rehousing the lens isn`t easy, I take all parts off just retain the glass, then make new housing. That is a very complex work. Please give me more time.
OCT-19 adapter is testing, new Nikon G adapter will be producced later, I have to finish the lens first.
Kwan Khan
11-25-2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks for the heads-up Sir
will be waiting...
Derek Wan, HKSC
11-26-2010, 09:35 PM
Hi, Kwan , Rehousing the lens isn`t easy, I take all parts off just retain the glass, then make new housing. That is a very complex work. Please give me more time.
OCT-19 adapter is testing, new Nikon G adapter will be producced later, I have to finish the lens first.
Thanks for the update.
John Fairstein
12-01-2010, 05:49 AM
Just received ALLSTAR's OCT-19 A-mount adapter, and I am really impressed with the quality of his work. The adapter fits my Lomo roundfront anamorphics perfectly. A quick test confirmed my back focus setting on the RED works fine for this A-mount as well as the PL and BNCR A-mounts. Will check the Nikon A-mount when I get a Nikkor.
There is no need to buy an adapter for each lens in my kit, I simply swap adapters - takes less than 10 seconds. Now I use my PL, BNCR, OCT-19, and (soon) Nikkor lenses interchangeably without changing the mount on the RED. The fit and finish of these parts is incredible at a low price. Next I plan to look at his Shoulder System.
A-mount system included A-mount and various adapters for different lenses. With the system, you can change your lenses quickly and safely, without adjusting the back focus length.
On A-mount system, now you can use Contax C/Y ,Leica R , M42, Nikon F , PL and BNCR lenese. In the future, there will be rehousing A-mount/PL lenses in the future as well.
Zakaree Sandberg
12-01-2010, 07:04 PM
I wish A-mount was the standard!
being able to switch from a zeiss zf, to a pl mount cooke, too a bncr canon in seconds is amazing..
i just wish there was a -A mount adapter for the 7/5D
Peter Mosiman
12-02-2010, 10:35 PM
Just received ALLSTAR's OCT-19 A-mount adapter, and I am really impressed with the quality of his work. The adapter fits my Lomo roundfront anamorphics perfectly. A quick test confirmed my back focus setting on the RED works fine for this A-mount as well as the PL and BNCR A-mounts. Will check the Nikon A-mount when I get a Nikkor.
There is no need to buy an adapter for each lens in my kit, I simply swap adapters - takes less than 10 seconds. Now I use my PL, BNCR, OCT-19, and (soon) Nikkor lenses interchangeably without changing the mount on the RED. The fit and finish of these parts is incredible at a low price. Next I plan to look at his Shoulder System.
This sounds awesome. I would love to pick up an Allstar Mount to OCT-19 A-mount. Have you had any back focus issues switching between the Lomos to the PL's?
ALLSTAR - the OCT-19 mount is not on your website, how would one find it when I have the money to buy one...
Seth H
12-03-2010, 10:57 AM
Anyone heard from Allstar in a while?
Been trying to get a hold of him to purchase
Christopher Barrett
12-03-2010, 05:56 PM
Seth, I just ordered the PL adapter for my Allstar mount and received it promptly. Mr. A. Star was very responsive (as he usually is).
CB
John Fairstein
12-04-2010, 09:08 AM
Peter - For back focus, I test OCT-19, PL, and BNCR lenses on A-mounts to come up with an average setting at 3 meters and infinity. (I probably should also use 1 meter.) The lenses I use for testing are classic Super Baltars, Lomos, Angenieux, and a modern Duclos 11-16.
I use the RED focus assist meter on a contrasty subject. The range for my lenses is roughly +/- 6-degrees of rotation on the RED mount. I don't know what the range is in microns. I attribute most of the variance to to the lenses themselves, not the A-mount. The average setting works fine for me.
ALLSTAR is great to deal with, and his mounts are really well made. - John
This sounds awesome. I would love to pick up an Allstar Mount to OCT-19 A-mount. Have you had any back focus issues switching between the Lomos to the PL's?
ALLSTAR - the OCT-19 mount is not on your website, how would one find it when I have the money to buy one...
Michael Panfeld
12-06-2010, 05:52 PM
Hi:
Any thoughts about adapters for other cine mounts? I am thinking about Arri standard, Arri bayonet, OCT18, Eclair, R-35, Aaton...etc.
Also, will BNC lens fit in the BNCR mount? What is the pricing on the OCT19 mount (its not up on your website yet).
Thanks for bringing such a great product to the RED community.
Timothy Eaton
12-08-2010, 09:49 AM
Allstar,
By any chance, are you planning to attend the RED Community Event Thursday night in Hollywood? If not, what is the return policy on the mounts, since I can't see them function before ordering? Do you ship FedEx?
Thanks, Tim Eaton
Zakaree Sandberg
12-08-2010, 09:14 PM
Allstar,
By any chance, are you planning to attend the RED Community Event Thursday night in Hollywood? If not, what is the return policy on the mounts, since I can't see them function before ordering? Do you ship FedEx?
Thanks, Tim Eaton
he lives on the otherside of the world, so I doubt it.
also.. you WONT want to return the mount.. guaranteed
ALLSTAR
12-09-2010, 08:29 AM
Oct-19 will be available in next week, $280
I`m in Taiwan, all of my products are made in Taiwan. You will like the design of A-mount, it not just lock the lens solidly. The most important, it could increase your work efficiency.
Michael Panfeld
12-09-2010, 09:41 AM
Oct-19 will be available in next week, $280
I`m in Taiwan, all of my products are made in Taiwan. You will like the design of A-mount, it not just lock the lens solidly. The most important, it could increase your work efficiency.
Hi: I am looking at getting your whole system: A-Mount $300, PL, $260, BNCR $280, and OCT19 $280. That's a total of $1120. Do you offer package deals? What about taxes, duties, and shipping costs? (I am on the East Coast (zip 20006)
Also, is the OCT19 mount like the BNCR and PL mounts, in that you only need one. Or is it like the still lens mounts, where you need a mount on each lens?
Where are you in Taiwan? I have seen most of the South, from Tainan to Kaohsiung to Kenting National Park.
Thanks
ALLSTAR
12-09-2010, 08:28 PM
Hi: I am looking at getting your whole system: A-Mount $300, PL, $260, BNCR $280, and OCT19 $280. That's a total of $1120. Do you offer package deals? What about taxes, duties, and shipping costs? (I am on the East Coast (zip 20006)
Also, is the OCT19 mount like the BNCR and PL mounts, in that you only need one. Or is it like the still lens mounts, where you need a mount on each lens?
Where are you in Taiwan? I have seen most of the South, from Tainan to Kaohsiung to Kenting National Park.
Thanks
All of cine lens adapters for A-mount have similar design, you just need one to work. I`m living in Taipei:smile:
ALLSTAR
12-14-2010, 05:53 PM
OCT-19 adapter is available,the price is $280 USD.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_0494.jpg
Kaku Ito
12-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Hi,
Would G mount workable with newer DX lenses? To be able to use the Sigma 4mm Fisheye for DX would be great.
ALLSTAR
12-21-2010, 08:41 PM
Beacuse many people ask me about pototype G adapter, I made a simple video to explain it:
http://www.vimeo.com/18052876
Timothy Eaton
12-31-2010, 08:45 AM
Beacuse many people ask me about pototype G adapter, I made a simple video to explain it:
http://www.vimeo.com/18052876
Allstar, what is the status of the new G mount. When do you think it will be ready?
ALLSTAR
01-12-2011, 11:21 PM
I am so sorry that G adapter has no progress....
I am still strugle with something else....
but i will start to produce it in the middle of Feb.
I am going to LA from Jun. 17 to Feb. 8..
I would love to meet people..and if someoen would like to discuss or purchase my products, please email me at allstar.cine@gmail.com before next monday,and I can give you special price.
:patriot:
Justin Nguyen
01-15-2011, 09:48 PM
just saw your newly set up ebay accout! Rock on Allstar cine!
Alex Rask
03-12-2011, 12:32 AM
What would be an advantage of Allstar system vs IMS, in general?
And if there is an advantage, does Allstar make his system for SI-2K camera?
Mark Pugh
03-12-2011, 01:13 AM
Allstar, the world is waiting for your improved G adapter. How's it progressing?
Martin Weiss
03-12-2011, 02:55 AM
What would be an advantage of Allstar system vs IMS, in general?
The advantage would be that it is approved by RED, meaning installation does neither void the warranty nor the possible upgrade path to EPIC.
Kaku Ito
04-08-2011, 02:01 PM
Hi,
Is there any instruction material to install the G mount adapter?
EDIT:The vimeo clip "Prototyle G Adaptor" actually includes the assembling instruction.
http://vimeo.com/18052876
Mark Pugh
04-08-2011, 02:08 PM
I am so sorry that G adapter has no progress....
I am still strugle with something else....
but i will start to produce it in the middle of Feb
how's this going, Allstar?
Kaku Ito
04-09-2011, 06:01 PM
So my shipment came in and I replaced the stock Nikon mount with Allstar. Now I don't have to get scared to do the swapping of the mount between PL and Nikon.
I purchased the x1 PL mount, x3 F Mounts and x1 G Mount. The PL mount works very well. I like the customized look with the A-mount on my RED ONE.
The G mount is the prototype. I had a Tamron lens with no iris ring (G type) for my NEX-5 and tried to mount it with the G mount prototype, but unfortunately, the iris ring comes with the G mount would hit the auto/manaul switch located on the lens near the mount area. So I took the iris rings with me (there are two kind of rings come with the mount, one shallow one and one deeper one) to a used camera/lens shop (MapCamera in Shinjuku) for hunting lenses that can work with the ring.
I found that Nikon DX lenses are designed so that they are less likely to conflict with the iris ring (s), but the Tamuron and the Sigma lenses have the auto/manual switch that sticks out around the edge of the lens mount area that conflict with the iris ring.
So I picked up Nikon ED DX 10.5mm/F2.8 Fisheye and the Nikon DX ED 17 - 200 mm/F3.5 - F5.6. The wide range zoom is the kind of lens that doesn't come in the F mount lens series which is very useful for live music shooting to cover wider range of framing and that is the main reason why I wanted the G mount to work.
It took sometime to understand how to assemble it but finally made it to work well. There are some cons like the shallow ring is set into the A mount and it is hard to reach to turn to adjust the iris, but I think it opens up the RED ONE's lens choices a great deal with the DX lenses. It is too bad that the iris ring conflicts with Sigma lens especially with a lens like 4.5mm Fisheye (I'm doing a dome projection jobs that requires it). Maybe chopping off the area that is conflicting the auto/manual focus switch would work, so I would buy extra iris rings to experiment that soon. Thanks Allstar!
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=275934&id=581555833&l=03141b3098
Kaku Ito
04-09-2011, 08:36 PM
I mounted a Nikkor 70 - 200mm ED zoom lens with the AllStar Nikon F-mount adaptor and it is rock solid. Not that I recommend using without a lens support but I'm impressed.
ALLSTAR
04-11-2011, 08:05 AM
Thank you for your sharing. The feature of Allstar A-mount system is to improve the function of mount for still camera lenses, and to be more efficient. It needs to be used in person, so one can really understand. G-adapter is the weak part in A-mount system now, but I am working on it and I will make fine G-adapter.
You don't need lens support when you attach Nikon 70-200 on A-mount system. The F-adapter is solid like PL mount, and the weight of 70-200 is just like 16mm cine zoom lens. You really don't need lens support.
Btw, A-mount for Sony F3 is going to be available!!! The next will be AF100 (without any gap).
Hope I can get size of Epic mount module on NAB show, so that I can produce A-mount for Epic.
Kaku Ito
04-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Thank you for the clarification on the lens support. Not needing it is even better! I just wanted to be safe stating it. Good luck with all of the other product development, too.
ALLSTAR
05-20-2011, 07:20 AM
A-mount in the future will be devided into 2 parts: one is Allstar universal mount; the other part is "mount base".
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/image/red_accessories_pic/A_M_system.jpg
So, for different camera, you use different mount base. But you use same Allstar Universal mount.
The attached photo is Allstar Universal mount and F3 mount base. The 2nd pic is breaked up.
It works like the original Sony PL mount, and it's easy to install and switch.
F3 mount base is available!
And next, Micro 4/3 will soon be out, then Sony E and EPIC.
G adapter is now producing. I will post the update once it is finished.
Here is photo of Allstar Universal Mount.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/AM-un.jpg
And this is F3 Mount base.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3982.jpg
Two parts assembled together.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3967.jpg
A-mount system for Micro 4/3 camera:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4034.jpg
Mark Pugh
05-20-2011, 07:30 AM
You'll be doing very well soon. :)
GET THAT NIKON-G ADPTERS AND EPIC MOUNTS OUT THE DOOR!!!!!!
Kaku Ito
05-20-2011, 08:20 AM
If I were just interested in Nikon mount, other brand looks better, but your A-mout concept help production to provide easy switch over among different mounts, so please do the best for making better G-adaptor!! Looking forward to it.
Michael Panfeld
05-20-2011, 11:14 AM
A-Star, is the universal mount the one that you currently sell for the RED One? If so, does that mean that I can buy the system now and, when the EPIC mount base becomes available, just buy that part in order to use on the EPIC? Thanks
ALLSTAR
05-20-2011, 10:33 PM
There are more photos:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3984.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3990.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3992.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_3995.jpg
Allstar universal mount(item code: AM-un) can`t work on RED ONE, but Allstar mount for RED(item code: AM-r) could be mounted on all type of mount base by an adapter ring. The thickness of AM-un is much thicker than AM-r, also Allstar universal mount and mount base are made of thick stainless, not like most of F3 adapters in the market are made of aluminum.
About Epic mount base, there is no EPIC in my country yet, and I don't know when my EPIC will be available. I`ve tried to ask RED team but unfortunately, they can`t give me the dimension about it. So, I would like to ask you for a favor , is it possible to send me an EPIC PL mount Module? I will need 3-4 day to test and measure, and 4-6 day for shipping back. Then you will get a free A-mount for EPIC.
Erich Roland
05-21-2011, 05:55 AM
OMG.... thanks you Allstar for getting this F3 mount done quickly. These cameras have become popular suddenly with very few lens mount options available for some reason.
Just saw his post this morning and sent my order in.
If you have not yet seen Allstars products yet, you will be very happy, works like a champ... and built like a tank, and VERY reasonably priced.
OptiTek
05-21-2011, 06:30 AM
This is a bit confusing for me. F3 already has a quick change mount system. Why do you need another quick change mount on top of the original quick change mount?
RedOne is a different story- it doesn't have a quick change mount system so Allstar makes sense for RedOne.
Erich Roland
05-21-2011, 07:18 AM
This is a bit confusing for me. F3 already has a quick change mount system. Why do you need another quick change mount on top of the original quick change mount?
RedOne is a different story- it doesn't have a quick change mount system so Allstar makes sense for RedOne.
I can answer this one for our situation anyway.
First, the F3 mount adapters for anything but PL (which comes with camera), are few and far between. I have had this camera for 2 months and CANNOT get a nikon adapter. Im sure many different lens adapters will eventually be produced but right now only a Nikon from MTF is being made and they are in very short supply for some reason.
More importantly.... just about all Nikon adapters I have ever used... suck! Its because the Nikon mount system was never designed for cinema usage and they all wobble etc. The A-mount system turns the mount into a solid and secure PL style QR system that works like a champ!
Once you go A-star and have the lens adapters (we have on the Red-one), its a no-brainer to continue and put the adapter system on the next camera body and have the same capability. We use the old style Nikons, the new Ziess ZF's and the Lieca R lenses with Red-one and now (hopefully soon) for the F3.
Maybe Allstar will make a Canon eos mount with an aperature built in... please?
OptiTek
05-21-2011, 07:26 AM
Erich,
I guarantee there will be many adapters for this camera very soon. From engineering stand point this is redundant and completely unnecessary- that's all.
That's not to take away from the original (Allstar) idea for RedOne- I thought that was the right way to do it (for RedOne).
For end users that change mounts on location frequently that is....
Yes it makes a little more sense if you already have the system- but what if both your cameras will rent at the same time?
BTW let me know if you want to sell the original (F3) PL adapter- I could definitely use it....
And Allstar- to be clear- I think you did great job on the RedOne system. But not every system is suitable for every camera.
IMO A- mount is not suitable for F3. It does not make it any worse- just unsuitable for this camera.
With all due respect......
ALLSTAR
05-21-2011, 08:14 AM
This is a bit confusing for me. F3 already has a quick change mount system. Why do you need another quick change mount on top of the original quick change mount?
RedOne is a different story- it doesn't have a quick change mount system so Allstar makes sense for RedOne.
hi, thanks for your notice on my product. But you didn't get the point. Allstar A-Mount system is not only a quick-change mount.
I don't have extra original F3 PL adapter to sale, but I can sell you A-mount.
Cheers
ALLSTAR
05-21-2011, 09:09 AM
I can answer this one for our situation anyway.
More importantly.... just about all Nikon adapters I have ever used... suck! Its because the Nikon mount system was never designed for cinema usage and they all wobble etc. The A-mount system turns the mount into a solid and secure PL style QR system that works like a champ!
Once you go A-star and have the lens adapters (we have on the Red-one), its a no-brainer to continue and put the adapter system on the next camera body and have the same capability. We use the old style Nikons, the new Ziess ZF's and the Lieca R lenses with Red-one and now (hopefully soon) for the F3.
Maybe Allstar will make a Canon eos mount with an aperature built in... please?
hi Erich, You got the point! The mount of the still camera lenses is really not appropriate for cine camera. Besides the shortcoming of design, the material is very soft, including original Nikon and Canon lenses. It will wear under normally use, just like the F mount in this photo.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4005.jpg
Tighter and frequency lock and release will accelerate wear. A-mount's design avoid to use the original mount of the camera, so you have to put each adapter on each camera. it is a stupid design, but it works. And because of these adapters, it can protect your back lenses, and it let different cameras have same back focus length, same mount and same rear cap. It can also let your lenses and mount attached firmly and without play. You can also change the direction of the lenses, like use PL mount lenses. This design is from a cinematographer's viewpoint, not from an engineer.
I am not sure if I will make EF adapter. I am afraid that people will put cheap lens adapters on Allstar EF adapter. Because none of those cheap adapters are made of stainless steel, they will bring play and wrong back focus length. Then it will lost the meaning using A-mount.
Kwan Khan
05-21-2011, 09:23 AM
Great
Kaku Ito
05-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Any photo for the new G-adaptor design? I'll take three of those.
Dan Kanes
05-22-2011, 10:01 AM
BTW let me know if you want to sell the original (F3) PL adapter- I could definitely use it....
Do you think he's stupid enough to sell to a competitor?
Tom is not a Dummy.
Zakaree Sandberg
05-22-2011, 11:00 AM
Erich,
But not every system is suitable for every camera.
IMO A- mount is not suitable for F3. It does not make it any worse- just unsuitable for this camera.
With all due respect......
the way the nikon lenses turn into PL style mounts makes it worth it.. you can use your nikons with this awesome mount and quickly cross between using a f3 or a red one.. without having too disassemble the actual lens mount and putting on a new lens mount.. letting the cameras and the lenses stay the same. its brilliant
Erich Roland
05-23-2011, 05:16 AM
Erich,
I guarantee there will be many adapters for this camera very soon. From engineering stand point this is redundant and completely unnecessary- that's all.
That's not to take away from the original (Allstar) idea for RedOne- I thought that was the right way to do it (for RedOne).
For end users that change mounts on location frequently that is....
Yes it makes a little more sense if you already have the system- but what if both your cameras will rent at the same time?
BTW let me know if you want to sell the original (F3) PL adapter- I could definitely use it....
And Allstar- to be clear- I think you did great job on the RedOne system. But not every system is suitable for every camera.
IMO A- mount is not suitable for F3. It does not make it any worse- just unsuitable for this camera.
With all due respect......
Jacek, The A-star system works great for Red one and will work equally well for F3 for the same reasons. "Redundant and completely unneccessary" suggest that other options for using still lenses on F3 work as well (or better) and at the same or lessor costs.... and that is just not the reality presently. We will see I suppose when other products show up.
The A-star mount is beautifully designed, built like a tank and turns still lenses which are practically un-usable in they're native mounts into a solid "PL style" system and takes this inherent problem (wobbly mounts) off the table... all at a reasonable costs.
cheers, Erich
Kaku Ito
05-23-2011, 05:29 AM
Built like a tank and lens gets mounted very solid.
http://www.rawesome.info/images/stories/thumbnails/images-stories-kaku-DSC01527-450x252.jpg
Kaku Ito
05-23-2011, 05:41 AM
Think of something like this. This happened to me few times. The DP told me he is fine with one RED ONE MX being PL-mount and the other RED ONE MX being Nikon mount to reduce the cost of lenses. So I showed up to the studio like that. It was fine until the DP started saying "let's put the PL lens to the other one". I had to say, "I told you the Nikon mount RED ONE can't have the PL mount lens quickly". But he kept on forgetting. I ordered the A-mount the following week with PL-adaptor and Nikon F-mount adaptors. Now I can tell the DP, "okay, no problem, you can swap the lenses".
But Jacek, I admire your G-mount iris control.
OptiTek
05-23-2011, 08:57 AM
Ok I'm going to try again- common sense this time - maybe this will work.
Two systems:
1. Camera body->lens adapter-> lens
2. Camera body->neutral mount->a-mount adapter->lens adapter->lens
Which one do you think will have more precision- centering, tilt, flange distance, etc.
Mounting a lens on camera requires certain amount of precision. After a number of components you simply lose control over it(precision) and you are counting on luck.
I personally am not interested in luck when it comes to precision.
Others maybe OK with it.
As long as they understand it.......
again- I like the system- I think it's great for some applications- just not for this one....
Absolutely nothing personal I have more experience with this than most here and am trying to share the technical resource.....
As always- with all due respect......
Omkar Gauchan
05-23-2011, 09:56 AM
Ok I'm going to try again- common sense this time - maybe this will work.
Two systems:
1. Camera body->lens adapter-> lens
2. Camera body->neutral mount->a-mount adapter->lens adapter->lens
Which one do you think will have more precision- centering, tilt, flange distance, etc.
Mounting a lens on camera requires certain amount of precision. After a number of components you simply lose control over it(precision) and you are counting on luck.
I personally am not interested in luck when it comes to precision.
Others maybe OK with it.
As long as they understand it.......
again- I like the system- I think it's great for some applications- just not for this one....
Absolutely nothing personal I have more experience with this than most here and am trying to share the technical resource.....
As always- with all due respect......
With all due respect, i am not seeing any problem here. Seems You are trying to make a big fuss about it. This is as simple as lens adapter->Lens, i know you had the same opinion when the first A-mount came. Chiil out Jacek
OptiTek
05-23-2011, 10:05 AM
I'm sorry I upset you Omkar.
Erich Roland
05-23-2011, 12:08 PM
Ok I'm going to try again- common sense this time - maybe this will work.
Two systems:
1. Camera body->lens adapter-> lens
2. Camera body->neutral mount->a-mount adapter->lens adapter->lens
Which one do you think will have more precision- centering, tilt, flange distance, etc.
Mounting a lens on camera requires certain amount of precision. After a number of components you simply lose control over it(precision) and you are counting on luck.
I personally am not interested in luck when it comes to precision.
Others maybe OK with it.
As long as they understand it.......
again- I like the system- I think it's great for some applications- just not for this one....
Absolutely nothing personal I have more experience with this than most here and am trying to share the technical resource.....
As always- with all due respect......
Jacek, With respect, I am definitely not a lens technician and appreciate your concern since you are, but it looks to me like A-star has worked out the issues you point out.
I had the same question when the A-mount first arrived for the Red-one. I used the "target null" and back focused the Red spot on, and doubled checked a few lenses that they were coming up on the numbers. Them switched over to the A-mount system, put the A-star PL mount on and then the Null target once again, and it was perfect. Then I double checked the lenses and they were exactly on the money also. I then did a flat field test and all looked great. I understand the concern about the extra layer of adaptation but its nothing that precision engineering with quality metals and tight tolerances cant overcome. Ive seen too many lens adapters made out of cheesy aluminum and bad wobbly still lenses where next to this system with its rock solid mount wins easy over the (crappy) "single layer" adapter.
Now maybe at some point other high quality adapters will arrive on the scene and we will re-evaluate. Granted the possibility for errors are there, but if the numbers come up perfect, with a flat field..... then its a solvable challenge, and the A-star system has achieved it from our tests.
When you add to the equation that there are no Nikon, leica R, Nikon G, Yashica or any Single layer adapters available right now for the f3.... forget about it, just buy it you wont be sorry!
cheers, Erich
OptiTek
05-23-2011, 02:47 PM
Perfect!!!
I'm glad it worked out for you and hope it works out for everyone else.
Good Luck!!! (no pun intended)
Peter Corbett
05-23-2011, 02:53 PM
Well the MTF adaptor is selling heaps at the moment for the Nikon F and G mount lenses with iris control. I know as I have one on my F3.
When you add to the equation that there are no Nikon, leica R, Nikon G, Yashica or any Single layer adapters available right now for the f3.... forget about it, just buy it you wont be sorry!
cheers, Erich
Erich Roland
05-23-2011, 04:29 PM
Well the MTF adaptor is selling heaps at the moment for the Nikon F and G mount lenses with iris control. I know as I have one on my F3.
Great you got one. I have had one on order with Abel for 2 months, and they say they don't know when it will be available.
That's what I meant by "not available". Its been designed and some have shipped, but there is a supply problem... I'm guessing Japan.
ER
Peter Corbett
05-23-2011, 06:26 PM
No they are made in England. Send the guys at MTF an email and you may be able to get one quicker. http://www.mtfservices.com/home.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=104&category_id=2
ALLSTAR
05-23-2011, 08:29 PM
Ok I'm going to try again- common sense this time - maybe this will work.
Two systems:
1. Camera body->lens adapter-> lens
2. Camera body->neutral mount->a-mount adapter->lens adapter->lens
Which one do you think will have more precision- centering, tilt, flange distance, etc.
Mounting a lens on camera requires certain amount of precision. After a number of components you simply lose control over it(precision) and you are counting on luck.
I personally am not interested in luck when it comes to precision.
Others maybe OK with it.
As long as they understand it.......
again- I like the system- I think it's great for some applications- just not for this one....
Absolutely nothing personal I have more experience with this than most here and am trying to share the technical resource.....
As always- with all due respect......
I always attach importance on the precision, so we use the precision way to manufacture and make by high quality stainless steel, it cost higher then common adapters and mounts. Using A-mount system don`t need luck, and time will prove which mount will wear the lens more.
I appreciate you can share your experience and technical resource, but please use it personally first before you want to comment on it, also please respect our craft quality and effort.
ALLSTAR
05-23-2011, 08:34 PM
No they are made in England. Send the guys at MTF an email and you may be able to get one quicker. http://www.mtfservices.com/home.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=104&category_id=2
I don`t think you have F-step by the iris control. Allstar G adapter will provide F-step.
Dose OptiTek pro nikon mount provide F-step?
Peter Corbett
05-23-2011, 10:34 PM
The MTF doesn't have F-stop functionality, just a small thumb screw for adjustment. It does work, but it is a far from ideal solution. I have to hand it to Mike at MTF though. He made our F3 usable from Day One, because we couldn't afford to buy PL glass and we 're a long way from rental houses. And that is not to be forgotton.
ALLSTAR
05-24-2011, 12:09 AM
A-mount system for M4/3 was available!
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4034.jpg
The M4/3 mount base dosen`t need Rods support or need to screw some screws on camera. I have a special design on it and you just need a special tool to assemble. It is very precision and won`t have any play, very very solidly!
I test back focus by FDC
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4020.jpg
You will have PL-style nikon lens
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4029.jpg
Next, Sony E-mount base. If someone could provide EPIC PL mount for me, EPIC base will be the next.
Kaku Ito
05-24-2011, 12:37 AM
So how does the final G-adaptor look like?
Peter Corbett
05-24-2011, 01:25 AM
A-mount system for M4/3 was available!
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_4034.jpg
I can't see where the F-stop indicator you mentioned is (for Nikon G lenses).
ALLSTAR
05-24-2011, 02:18 AM
So how does the final G-adaptor look like?
Hi, Kaku
Please give me more time, I have made some parts to test, it won`t let you down. But Sigma lens can`t work on G adapter.
ALLSTAR
05-24-2011, 02:26 AM
I can't see where the F-stop indicator you mentioned is (for Nikon G lenses).
F-stop will on lens adapter, not mount. There are different iris on different lenses, so you can`t get F-stop if the control device is on the mount.
Peter Corbett
05-24-2011, 02:42 AM
F-stop will on lens adapter, not mount. There are different iris on different lenses, so you can`t get F-stop if the control device is on the mount.
Have you got any pics? Even if for Red. Very curious.
ALLSTAR
05-24-2011, 03:03 AM
Not yet, it will look like the prototype: http://www.vimeo.com/18052876
easier to assemble and more accurately.
Mark Pugh
05-24-2011, 04:02 AM
Not yet, it will look like the prototype: http://www.vimeo.com/18052876
easier to assemble and more accurately.
Allstar- please make the Iris Adjustment ring bigger -
make it come further out, and more forward from the A-mount, compared to the prototype, so that it is easier to get fingers in to adjust the iris.
ALLSTAR
05-24-2011, 05:02 AM
Yes, Mark, it will be bigger than prototype.
Jiri Vrozina
05-24-2011, 02:52 PM
ALLSTAR,
is there any chance Your A-mount system will work in "future" with FS100 and Canon L lenses? If so-when?
regards
Jiri
Kaku Ito
05-25-2011, 07:45 AM
Thanks Allstar. I can send you my Sigma lenses so you can work on it.
ALLSTAR
05-26-2011, 04:23 AM
Hi, Jiri, it will work with E-mount camera, but can`t work with Canon lens.
Kaku, I mean Sigma lens can`t work with G adapter, the space isn`t enough.
Kaku Ito
07-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Okay, Allstar, I will give up on Sigma. Do you know any other Spherical Fish-eye with F-mount with iris ring?
Michael Panfeld
08-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Any progress on the EPIC adapter?
Kaku Ito
08-17-2011, 10:01 AM
Tom from Allstar had visited me and worked on the measurement for producing the Epic A-mount. Hopefully he can come up with the mount soon!
ALLSTAR
09-03-2011, 12:17 AM
Hi everyone!
Sorry that It's been a long time I haven't update.
Here, I bring 2 news.
1. Epic mount base for A-mount will be available in September.
But I cannot have exact date, because after it's done, it will be sent to Red team for approval.
The price will be in between $200-$300 USD.
2. About G adapter, I know some of you have been waiting for a long time, I apologize for that. I have a test version now, it is very close to the final product. But some back shapes of some lenses don't fit with it, such as Nikon 10.5mm, 24-120, and 70-200. so it's why it is not the final version.
I will adjust It and make it to fit with more lenses. Here I am going to show you this testing version, since it is very close to the final one.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_8313.jpg
As you see, on the iris ring, you can mark F-stop and datum mark. I was planning to mark F-stop on iris ring through laser, so that you only have to make the datum point. But, it doesn't work, because the small lever in the lens rear is different on each type/brand of lenses.http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1031.jpg Some lenses' small lever move less, and some move more; Some have 9 stops and some have 8 stops. It is very complicate. So the best solution is, mark it by yourself. And you can have have very accurate F-stop.
(so I can tell you with whisper, those Nikon Mounts with iris control which had marked the F-stop on them are not gonna work.)
And how can we mark the F-stop by ourselves?
You can refer to another lens with iris ring, and use the light meter function on digital camera.
For example, using Sony F3, to assemble ZF 25mm F2.8 lens,and put a white polystyrene board in front of the lens, and then turn on the light meter, I got different percentage under different iris ring, like this:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1022.jpg
F2.8 with ND 1, 60%
F4 with ND 1, 44%
F5.6 with ND 1, 32%
F8 , 59%
F11 , 43%
F16, 31%
F22 , 23%
Then I put 14-24 g lens, adjusting the iris ring and mark F stop according to the percentage. Of course, if you refer wit T-stop lens, you will get T-stop on your G adapter.
it might be too complicate to explain with words, I will make a video to show you later.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1025.jpg
This is the most accurate way to get correct exposure if using G lenses. Other G-mounts/adapter on the market now cannot give you the correct iris F-stop. Unless the electronic Nikon mount are appeared.
You can choose the testing version, which is $170 usd. The final product will be about $220.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_8319.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_8320.jpg
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_8360.jpg
Here is the video of install introduction:
http://vimeo.com/28721229
Kwan Khan
09-03-2011, 03:51 AM
Fantastic
Kaku Ito
09-03-2011, 06:39 AM
Congratulation Tom!
ALLSTAR
09-07-2011, 06:23 PM
Here is the video of install introduction:
http://vimeo.com/28721229
Justin Nguyen
09-08-2011, 11:16 AM
Awesome work Tom! Looking forward to what other things you might have in the works.
Brian Harstine
09-08-2011, 11:20 AM
does anyone know what sensor size these lenses cover or are tested for?
Omkar Gauchan
09-10-2011, 09:47 PM
depend what lens you are using. but still it will cover EPIC.
ALLSTAR
09-11-2011, 06:58 AM
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1036.jpg
The adapter ring is available, you can combine A-mount for REDONE with other mount base through this adapter ring. $60 each
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1034.jpg
Kaku Ito
09-11-2011, 09:51 AM
Ah, the square one on the left, looks like the one for the Epic, but does Epic A-mount require this adapter ring?
Dave Blackham
09-11-2011, 09:53 AM
Ah, the square one on the left, looks like the one for the Epic, but does Epic A-mount require this adapter ring?
That was what I was thinking, I was also wondering it is was Titanium :-)
Elsie N
09-11-2011, 10:13 AM
That was what I was thinking, I was also wondering it is was Titanium :-)
hope not... that Ti is expensive.
Kaku Ito
09-11-2011, 11:18 AM
Is it Stainless steel Tom?
ALLSTAR
09-12-2011, 12:00 AM
Ah, the square one on the left, looks like the one for the Epic, but does Epic A-mount require this adapter ring?
Just A-mount for REDONE version needs this adapter. Allstar Universal Mount (item code: AM-un) could attach to mount base directly.
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/IMG_1038.jpg
EPIC mount base is made of 7075 aluminium.
Kaku Ito
09-12-2011, 05:50 AM
looking really really nice.
Kaku Ito
09-12-2011, 05:53 AM
so I have to get the epic base mount and the universal mount, or epic base mount, a-mount for RED ONE and the adapter ring?
Elsie N
09-12-2011, 06:00 AM
so I have to get the epic base mount and the universal mount, or epic base mount, a-mount for RED ONE and the adapter ring?
I'm confused about this as well. Just need to know what will be the least amount of hardware and dollars required to get Nikon G lenses to work on an Epic.
Christopher Barrett
09-12-2011, 06:14 AM
I read it as... if you already have A Mount for Red One then you need the Epic base mount and adapter ring. If you don't yet have an A Mount, you could just order the A Mount Universal and the Epic Base mount (no adapter ring).
ALLSTAR
09-12-2011, 08:14 AM
I read it as... if you already have A Mount for Red One then you need the Epic base mount and adapter ring. If you don't yet have an A Mount, you could just order the A Mount Universal and the Epic Base mount (no adapter ring).
Hi Christopher, Thanks, you are correct.
A-Mount for Red One version + adapter ring + mount base
or
A-Mount + mount base
Maz Mawlawi
09-14-2011, 07:23 PM
Please Let us know as soon as your Epic mount is approved! :thumbup1:
Justin Nguyen
09-16-2011, 03:58 PM
Very cool. I hope it gets approved by RED!
Tom is enabling my lens collecting addiction.
ALLSTAR
09-20-2011, 07:46 AM
We've test the Amount for Epic on EPIC, and it works very well. Now we are waiting for RED team's approve.
However, there is one bad news here, A-mount for RED version cannot use on EPIC, because it's diameter is too big for EPIC, it will touch and stock with the side handle and LCD cable.
I`m really sorry, this is an unpredictable problem when I start to make A-mount in 2009.
A-mount for RED version can still be used on other mount base, like F3 or AF100. I really apologize for the problem.
Elsie N
09-20-2011, 11:01 AM
I read it as... if you already have A Mount for Red One then you need the Epic base mount and adapter ring. If you don't yet have an A Mount, you could just order the A Mount Universal and the Epic Base mount (no adapter ring).
But in addition, you still have to buy the G lens adapter, right?
ALLSTAR
09-26-2011, 07:33 AM
Mounts are ready to ship, but we still wait for RED team approved.
the price of EPIC mount base is $180
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af225/allstar_cine/_MG_8483.jpg
A. Clint Litton
09-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Approval can't come soon enough! Never made the jump with my R1, but I know this mount will come in very handy for the Epic. Really incredible work, Tom.
Erich Roland
09-26-2011, 05:28 PM
Good gear, sign me up!
Kaku Ito
09-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Anxiously waiting....Jarred?
Jarred Land
09-27-2011, 07:54 PM
I received half a mount last week... not sure when the locking part is coming in.