Panavision Genesis

[kunal2]

Hi all,whats the differrence of a Panavision Genesys camera and a Red one,excluding price tag that we all know Panavision is insalely overpriced
cheers
Digitalchemist

[kunal2]

Hi all,whats the differrence of a Panavision Genesys camera and a Red one,excluding price tag that we all know Panavision is insaneely overpriced
cheers
Digitalchemist

[Zach Hilton]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Genesis can't record 4k raw data to compact flash. Hug plus since you don't need a refrigerator following your camera. :)

[Brook Willard]

Kunal, have you read through the RED FAQ yet? It's in my signature.

[pixeltv]

Hi kunal2,

Panavision:

Pros: shipping, multiple features already shot with it. Good looking image, FULL Panavision accessories integration and compatibility, HD deliverable (makes post easier), log curve (they call it Panalog, resets white to 70% and arcs/tapers it off above that level), compact form factor with recorder (integrates with SRW-1 without need or SRPC-1, which is built into camera). Also has dual link HD-SDI outputs if fully uncompressed is desired. Super 35mm sized image sensor. Panavision is a trusted name - see the long list of features already shooting on it. The name brand, and the quality that implies, clearly carries significant weight in Hollywood, as evinced by the list of projects already shot on it. Can record audio in sync with video. Single sensor CCD for cine lens compatibility.

Cons: 1080p is highest resolution, max frame rate is presently 50 fps, but can shoot variable frame rates, rental only from Panavision, limited availability (about 40 some odd worldwide right now). No mechanical shutter, and no through the lens viewfinding.

http://www.panavision.com/publish/2004/07/01/Genesis.pdf

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Red One:

Red One, if ships with specs as stated (YES unfair to compare shipping to unfinished, but let's just project forward a year and assume these are all still the same specs from everybody for the moment)

Pros: Can record up to 4520x2540 in data mode, purchaseable for $17,500 for the body (Viper is circa $80K I think), Super35mm sized sensor, windowable sensor, works with PL mount S35 and S16 to start with, Nikon and B4 mounts to follow for compatibility, 1-60 fps recording in 4K, 1-120fps recording in 2K w/S16 lenses, data, onboard, or HD-SDI recording options, records audio as well (at least 4 channels). Record RAW data to REDRAID, record Redcode full raster wavelet based codec to either solid state memory device or RedDrive devices (based on 2.5" SATA disk), or to any standard HD-SDI type device (if shooting HD resolutions). Shoot 720p, 1080p, 1080i, 2K, 4K, or 4.5K. Record (depending on format you're shooting) to to the above list. Purchaseable or rentable. I've seen some test images and....WOW.

http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/08/thoughts-on-flavors-and-better-when-it.html

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See:

http://www.hdcompare.com/Cameras.htm

Cheers!

PTV

[kunal2]

Thx all for these info

[kunal2]

Thx a lot brook i'm gonna read it



Kunal, have you read through the RED FAQ yet? It's in my signature.

[Greg]

PixelTv, you wrote "records 2k with s16mm lenses"

You are saying you must use s16mm lenses when recording 2k?

[jaadgy akanni]

Kunal, it's completely normal if you still can't wrap you head around the fact that such a good professional camera like this could cost so little. That's the magic of the RED revolution. You're probably still thinking, whats the catch?
C'est incroyable, n'est-ce pas?

[Antoine Fabi]

en effet !

c'est incroyable.

[REDHKSC]

Plus 8 has ordered 20 RED ones and many RED PL lenses will be purchased for the Panavision 's Cameras........the price .....it's so irresistible..


Thanks RED 's business policy to cut all the Distributor's and agent 's commission.

Can it work in ASIA ? CHINA ? HKG ? Thailand ?

Who's know better than .........................

Stewart
ex- many Cameras Vendors / Agents / System integrator in ASIA

[pixeltv]

PixelTv, you wrote "records 2k with s16mm lenses"

You are saying you must use s16mm lenses when recording 2k?

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Greg,

I do not affirm nothing. The information is in the indicated sources:

http://www.panavision.com/publish/20...01/Genesis.pdf
http://www.hdforindies.com/2006/08/thoughts-on-flavors-and-better-when-it.html
http://www.hdcompare.com/Cameras.htm

[gdv]

PixelTv, you wrote "records 2k with s16mm lenses"

You are saying you must use s16mm lenses when recording 2k?

Does the Red need S16 lenses for shooting 2K at 100fps? or shall we put it that way:
For shooting 2K at RedCode you may even use S16 lenses, you don't necessarily need 35mm lenses but you may also use 35mm lenses since all 35mm lenses can work on S16.
You can look at the red web site page
http://www.red.com/cameras/format_options
This is my interpretation to format option chart stated by Red.
I must admit it is not so clear maybe because it is all written on a black background.
The black background in the web site was my first reject to the Red project that is why it took me sometime to be more involved in it.

[David Mullen ASC]

PixelTv, you wrote "records 2k with s16mm lenses"

You are saying you must use s16mm lenses when recording 2k?

In windowed 2K mode, you can use 35mm lenses... and/or lenses that only cover the smaller windowed area such as Super-16 lenses which would vignette for the entire sensor area. The depth of field / field of view would be similar for shooting in Super-16, in other words, a 50mm lens would behave more like a telephoto than it would if you were shooting in 4K mode using the full sensor area.

The only difference between using a 25mm 35mm cine lens and a 25mm lens made for Super-16 cameras, for example, would be how much it vignettes in the 35mm cine frame area -- the 35mm cine lens would be designed to cover that area but the Super-16 lens doesn't have to and therefore is usually a physically smaller lens. Otherwise, the only difference is that a 25mm has a less wide view in the 2K windowed area than it does in the bigger full sensor area because the lens image is essentially being cropped down. Therefore in 2K windowed mode, you'd probably want to own some shorter focal lengths to get wide-angle images.

Not sure if 2/3" B4 lenses cover the 2K windowed area but probably.

[vidalsosa]

... The black background in the web site was my first reject to the Red project that is why it took me sometime to be more involved in it.

Poor you... like they say, never judge a book by its cover. Hopefully you must have learnt a thing or two from your whole Red experience.