How far backordered is RED

[Nathan Beaman]

Does anyone have a rough idea of where current order numbers are? Thinking about putting my order in now, but trying to gauge when I might expect it to ship. I'm assuming it will be quite a while.

Thanks!

[Stephen Williams]

Hi,

Approx 6 months wait.

Stephen

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

Last time we heard (which is a bit ago - 2months ago maybe) it was in the 2000+ range...

[Johnny Friday]

I ordered a second body about 7-10 days ago and was told expect around Spring of 2008....so, apr/may??

[Brandon Fraley]

i think i ordered in may. I thought that meant I'd get it around March, anyone know if it's actually sooner?

[David Cubbage]

Yes, I should imagine there will be a surge in orders at IBC and after; especially after this weekend.

[Ken Corben]

No crystal ball here but the longer one waits the longer the cue will get. After shooting with #8 I can say there is no equal. Few if any will be selling their early Reds or canceling their order. I'd guess that RED will have a real grasp of the actual delivery time lines by November given the ramp up for production and addressing the fluid demands of the cameras and users.

[Jan Reiff]

i ordered in july and was told to get mine in 02/08, so i hope with some luck it will be january.

[Seung Han]

I tried an inquiry into the mysteries of the 'time stamp' to no avail.:glare: I wish you much more success!

[Brandon Fraley]

i ordered in july and was told to get mine in 02/08, so i hope with some luck it will be january.

sweet, i wasn't told an approximate delivery time when i ordered, so that's very comforting :)

[Seung Han]

I am considering ordering a second one with a friend but he is making an issue about not knowing when we would receive it. If you guys could give a tentative schedule even with a disclaimer that it could and very well change I'm sure many more people like my friend will feel more comfortable...

If not, I'm psyched about getting MINE!!!

[Stephen Williams]

Why not telephone Red and ask?

[Brandon Fraley]

Production camera schedule:
Serial numbers 1 (mine)-50 August 30th (50 units)
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)
Serial numbers 301- 700 November 10th (400 units)
Serial numbers 701- 1200 December 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1201- 1700 January 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1701- 2200 February 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 10th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 10th (700 units)

so if you order pre-IBC, you should get it around May, maybe?

[Curran Giddens]

more like March or April. AFIK there are less then 2500 pre-orders so far.

[Seung Han]

more like March or April. AFIK there are less then 2500 pre-orders so far.

If there are less than 2500 pre-orders now why do you say March or April when the schedule would place those cameras between February and March? I'm just confused...:umm:

[Sean R.]

These guys got it spot on. If you order now you can expect delivery in Spring of 2008, probably March. Once again though to remind all these are tentative dates and subject to change, however a good estimate.
The most important thing is the IBC dynamic. We expect a big influx of orders at IBC and an even bigger one right after so the queue will indefinitely be lengthened.

[number6]

Sean, how do those of us with a time stamp convert our multi-number order number into a four digit number? Annnnnnd, if a large entity orders say, 8 cameras at a time, does that constitute an order, or 8 orders?

[Andrew Benz]

Sean, how do those of us with a time stamp convert our multi-number order number into a four digit number? Annnnnnd, if a large entity orders say, 8 cameras at a time, does that constitute an order, or 8 orders?

I am not Sean... but it has been stated by Him and others at RED that the time stamp does NOT convert to a serial number... first ordered- first served- hence time stamp-- :) The serial number thing gave the early adopters a feeling of a well deserved connection to one another and the company, etc.

The other question is a good one... I have heard both ways...

[number6]

the time stamp does NOT convert to a serial number... first ordered- first served- hence time stamp-- :) The serial number thing gave the early adopters a feeling of a well deserved connection to one another and the company, etc.



But Andrew, those who order now must have a place in line, and the shipment dates refer to four digit numbers. Agreed the Fearless Fifteen Hundred should be so honored, but I'm just wondering what my four number designation is supposed to be so i can refer to the shipping schedule that has been posted. I know I'm in there somewhere, but I just don't know where?

[Mark Thorpe]

Expect a long wait unfortunately. I mean, sheesh, Jim Jannard ordered the first one off the production line, #1 man, and he's only just taken charge of his a few days ago!!............:wacko: Oops.....

[Seung Han]

Basically they made the effort to give us a tentative schedule but fell short of explaining how time stamps correlated to that schedule, so I keep hearing Spring time. It would be nice to know which month my time stamp falls into since they have already taken the trouble of making this schedule...

I tried explaining this to my Korean partner and he thought this was bizarre in a business sense, having the schedule even if it is tentative but not knowing where your time stamp fit into that schedule. I told him it was how Americans do business...LOL

He also thought I was crazy when I ordered my camera before the first 25 shipped. I showed him the site and the clips and he kept shaking his head frowning saying it was a scam. Business scams are the number one crime in Korea!

Anyway, I am trying to persuade him to place in order for the 2nd camera this week before the flood. He's shaking his head less now since he's seen the pics of the 25 delivered. Still frowning though on the time stamp and schedule...LOL

Also, I'm in Korea and tried calling once but couldn't get through.

Does anyone in Red use Skype? :tongue:

[number6]

Basically they made the effort to give us a tentative schedule but fell short of explaining how time stamps correlated to that schedule, so I keep hearing Spring time. It would be nice to know which month my time stamp falls into since they have already taken the trouble of making this schedule...

I tried explaining this to my Korean partner and he thought this was bizarre in a business sense, having the schedule even if it is tentative but not knowing where your time stamp fit into that schedule. I told him it was how Americans do business...LOL

He also thought I was crazy when I ordered my camera before the first 25 shipped. I showed him the site and the clips and he kept shaking his head frowning saying it was a scam. Business scams are the number one crime in Korea!

Anyway, I am trying to persuade him to place in order for the 2nd camera this week before the flood. He's shaking his head less now since he's seen the pics of the 25 delivered. Still frowning though on the time stamp and schedule...LOL

Also, I'm in Korea and tried calling once but couldn't get through.

Does anyone in Red use Skype? :tongue:

Seung, ask your Korean partner if he has ever seen the movie "Groundhog Day"?

[Johnny Friday]

Seung, ask your Korean partner if he has ever seen the movie "Groundhog Day"?

....now that's hillarious!! ....even watching that movie made me sick!! Good one!

[Seung Han]

Seung, ask your Korean partner if he has ever seen the movie "Groundhog Day"?

I am waiting for lines to converge but perhaps the answer is an emotional catharsis.

Great movie by the way, I can watch Bill Murray paint a wall...

[Jon McCoy]

Some heads-up would be much appreciated. Most of us don't have $16,000 under our beds (divided neatly into $2,000 sock bundles) - running a business, I (and for the benefit of shareholders) need to know when we've got to have $16,000 (and more for accessories) ready to pay Red.

I love what Red are doing, appreciate the cutting-edge issues that affect delivery schedules etc, etc, but when all is said and done, the emotion kept to one side - $17K is $17K. Say it slowly now - seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars. "Cheap" is a relative term.

[number6]

Some heads-up would be much appreciated. Most of us don't have $16,000 under our beds (divided neatly into $2,000 sock bundles) - running a business, I (and for the benefit of shareholders) need to know when we've got to have $16,000 (and more for accessories) ready to pay Red.

I love what Red are doing, appreciate the cutting-edge issues that affect delivery schedules etc, etc, but when all is said and done, the emotion kept to one side - $17K is $17K. Say it slowly now - seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars. "Cheap" is a relative term.

I agree. I'm not so horny to have the camera immediately... just would like a ballpark timeframe to plan ahead for.

[explosive]

Production camera schedule:
Serial numbers 1 (mine)-50 August 30th (50 units)
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)
Serial numbers 301- 700 November 10th (400 units)
Serial numbers 701- 1200 December 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1201- 1700 January 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1701- 2200 February 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 10th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 10th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 10th (700 units)

so if you order pre-IBC, you should get it around May, maybe?

For the later buyers that schedule is essentially pointless as we have no longer been issued serial numbers, but rather the orders have been time stamped - which in essence means... ::shrug::

I don't know what it means. haha... I just know that i am **guessing** my order will come sometime in march-april, so I am gearing it towards that.

If however, I am incorrect, and the order comes earlier that will make things a little more difficult.

Any idea why Red stopped issuing serial numbers?
That would be rather helpful to know where approx in the queue one is, yo.

[Seung Han]

Time Stamps or not, the second Red has been ordered!

Would still like to know the correlation between the time stamp and the tentative delivery schedule...:bleh:

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

More interesting to the higher reservation numbers is the fact of ramping the production per month goes up to 700 cameras in spring.

Hehe, there´s going to be a lot of stuff to watch........;-)

Jochen

[Michael Booth]

What will the availability be like next year at this time I wonder. That's probably when my order will be going in, or possibly Autumn 2008, but I would preorder accordingly if I knew when.

[Gary Ploj]

Hey,

I'm just happy to get one whatever time frame when it comes...May, June, Oct, etc…less not forget those non-RED people who won't get an opportunity to order one only those lucky 2500+ people so far. Those are the ones waiting on the sidelines wishing, dreaming, and viewing all those great pics and upcoming footage from this amazing camera.

Just be happy your getting one...like myself. Plus those cameras next year will be fine-tuned like a hot rod with all the bells and whistles. Jim and his team has worked their tails off to make this deadline a reality and I feel some are just thinking about themselves before others that may never get a chance to own.

2008 is going to be great year for the RED Indies. We should all celebrate and embrace the wait…don’t worry they will come…”be patent, REDheads…”

Cheers...

[Adrian T.]

Time Stamps or not, the second Red has been ordered!

Would still like to know the correlation between the time stamp and the tentative delivery schedule...:bleh:

Discard the 7 at the end, it's just a checksum.
1053904 / 4K = 2573
That's your serial number: #2573
:clown2:

[explosive]

What will the availability be like next year at this time I wonder. That's probably when my order will be going in, or possibly Autumn 2008, but I would preorder accordingly if I knew when.

If anything the queue will get even longer next year.

Word around the camp fire is this - once Steven Soderbergh and other films being shot on RED are released, at that point RED will filnally be proven in practice (on a major feature) beyond doubt to the big players and to those stubborn to change (most people) ... THEN we will see an enormous jump in pre-orders.

And by enormous i mean enormous. At this point, well, I have heard from a good source that the waiting list may leap to a 1 to 1.5 year queue. So... fellas if you are still vacillating about getting your Red, I wouldn't wait TOO long.

Lets face it, most the industry probably hasn't pre-ordered yet. Even if you buy now you are an early adopter. It is an inevitability that a large percentage of industry will eventually adopt it once the camera and more importantly THE WORKFLOW is undeniably proven beyond any doubt. Like, on paper, rather on the silver screen :)

[Simon Wyndham]

As time goes on the production of the camera will become refined, more efficient, and faster. And if the demand for the camera is such that there would be a 1 to 1.5 year wait, Red would most probably invest in additional production lines to speed things up.

Waiting times will only go up if they don't respond to the demand.

[explosive]

As time goes on the production of the camera will become refined, more efficient, and faster. And if the demand for the camera is such that there would be a 1 to 1.5 year wait, Red would most probably invest in additional production lines to speed things up.

Waiting times will only go up if they don't respond to the demand.

Well of course. But there will be a time when demand far exceeds supply, far more than now. And it will take time for manufacture capacity to catch up.

Think about it.

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

I'm not sure how many more orders will be placed in the near future. I'm almost positive I want to have a second camera by July or August 2008, at the latest, so I'm not sure if I should place another on order now or just wait. I always figured if I got mine in February, everything is going well and I can rent it out and make some money, I could place an order for a second by April or so and get that one a few months later, but maybe not. I'm not really sure what to expect.

Now I'm thinking maybe better to order another one earlier, because you can always cancel, than to wait too long. But it's still another $17,500 expended, even if I held off on accessories until a few months after delivery.

Arranging for the whole wire transfer last time was a pain in the butt just for a reservation. Will RED accept a credit card for the 10% down or whatever, then wire transfer for the remaining total? That'd be pretty easy to justify, I mean less than $2,000 on the credit card is easy to pay off at the end of the month, rather than tell my accountant to take money out of another account, etc. etc.

[Seung Han]

Will RED accept a credit card for the 10% down or whatever, then wire transfer for the remaining total?

Yes.

See sticky on main page about payment options.

[Tony Lorentzen]

Has RED confirmed that they've stopped giving people reservation numbers? If so - how on earth will we know when we will get our cameras?

[number6]

What will the availability be like next year at this time I wonder. That's probably when my order will be going in, or possibly Autumn 2008, but I would preorder accordingly if I knew when.

Booth, who can tell? There is a very good possibility that when the pocket Red comes out, or whatever it will be called, many would-be buyers of the Red One will switch to that camera because they may not be intending to make feature length movies and the smaller one will fulfill their needs. I actually think that the smaller Red will be the bread-and-butter, financially anyway, of the Red One Cinema Company, or whatever its proper name is. Of course, Red One will still be the flagship.