Aspect Ratio options

[Finner]

This may have been discussed before but I have not seen it. I assume there will be a menu for aspect ratio settings to view on the EVF and LCD. Just wondering what the options will be and if these varied settings will be available in the 4k, 2k, HD lens configurations?

[Brook Willard]

You will be able to fully customize your "ground glass" in camera - that is, you will be able to choose what aspect ratio is displayed while shooting. AFAIK, the camera will still record to the "full frame" of whatever format you're shooting [so if you shoot 4K, you get the 35mm sensor area even if your EVF was cropping to 2.35]. You can complete your crop in REDCINE to whatever aspect ratio you choose.

This is all AFAIK - things change.

[Finner]

Great

Thanks Brook. Multiple Ground Glass choices in all formats is very helpful. I'm glad to hear that.

[Brook Willard]

What I'd love is the ability to upload a PNG [or comparable] file via SD or USB to the camera to act as a fully custom overlay. That is, I could create a ground glass in Photoshop to whatever specification I prefer and just load it onto the camera.

[Ralph Oshiro]

For those of us too cheap to pop for the EVF, I imagine that the on-board LCD will also be able to show reticles for the most common formats? I especially like the gray-out-the-rest-of-the-frame kinda reticles. Hopefully, at least including, 1.33:1, 1:78:1, 1.85:1, and 2:35:1 aspect ratios. I could actually really care less about 1:33:1 (or 1:66:1 for that matter), since I'll be happily acquiring 2:35:1 most of the time! Has anyone at RED confirmed this feature yet for the on-board LCD?

[Brook Willard]

Yes, the LCD can display exactly what the EVF can display. It's all user-selectable: the image, the focus assist, waveform monitors, menus, storage information, etc.

[Ralph Oshiro]

Thanks for that quick reply! That's super-cool! Will the waveform monitor be superimposed over the image like in the old JVC KY2000 EVFs?

[Brook Willard]

Don't know. I expect it'll be "tiled" - with the image in one place, the waveform in another, data displays in a third, etc... maybe we'll even get RGB parade and a vectorscope... who knows?

Well, I guess a few people know. But we don't. All in time.

[Don Woods]

And then since you have full frame you can re frame shots.. oh I love 5K

[Brook Willard]

Yes, 4K will leave a tremendous amount of space for reframing/cropping to wider aspect ratios in post. That said, bring up your appropriate frame lines/ground glass while shooting and pretend like there's no "overscan" - better to do it right the first time. ;)

[Chris Kenny]

Here's a feature request. Obviously being able to see outside of the frame is very useful, so one certainly wants the ability to, for instance, see the entire 4.5K 16:9 frame while shooting for 4K 2.35:1, with overlays showing the frame line. From what I've read, the camera can do this.

But for visualization purposes, it would also be great if it were possible to toggle this off, so you would just see the 2.35:1 frame, and have it expand/letterbox as appropriate to fill as much of the viewfinder/LCD/external monitor as possible.

This option would be particularly useful for external monitoring. The camera operator wants to see outside of the frame for practical reasons. The DP and director probably just want to see what the shot is going to look like as accurately as possible. Judging frame composition, etc. would be easier without the distraction of stuff that won't actually appear in the shot.

Also, ideally the camera could do this when reviewing footage, not just "live".

[Stephen Webb]

Here's another feature request (and one I've asked for before, but I reckon it doesn't hurt to mention it again!)

It'd be great when shooting in 2.35:1 (or 2.39:1) to be able to make use of the full width of the sensor so we'd be shooting 4520x1924 (ish) - it'd actually be a lower data-rate than 4096x2304 but would have a higher resolution than shooting 4k then cropping. Would this be possible? Pretty please?

[Billy Summers]

Could you shoot and view in 16x9 yet still see a "TV safe" 4x3 outline?

No, your only able to view in S35 (4.5k), 35mm (4k), or S16mm (2k) viewed in 2:35, 1:85 and 16x9...right?

[Don Woods]

Yes, 4K will leave a tremendous amount of space for reframing/cropping to wider aspect ratios in post. That said, bring up your appropriate frame lines/ground glass while shooting and pretend like there's no "overscan" - better to do it right the first time. ;)

I agree 100% but there has been times in post where I would have love the frame just a little different. I am stocked that I will be able to change things latter. Sometimes a frame looks good and then when you start post and start weaving a storie together it just dosen't fit. Well now we can make it fit.

[Dominic Jones]

Here's another feature request (and one I've asked for before, but I reckon it doesn't hurt to mention it again!)

It'd be great when shooting in 2.35:1 (or 2.39:1) to be able to make use of the full width of the sensor so we'd be shooting 4520x1924 (ish) - it'd actually be a lower data-rate than 4096x2304 but would have a higher resolution than shooting 4k then cropping. Would this be possible? Pretty please?


But for visualization purposes, it would also be great if it were possible to toggle this off, so you would just see the 2.35:1 frame, and have it expand/letterbox as appropriate to fill as much of the viewfinder/LCD/external monitor as possible.

This option would be particularly useful for external monitoring. The camera operator wants to see outside of the frame for practical reasons. The DP and director probably just want to see what the shot is going to look like as accurately as possible. Judging frame composition, etc. would be easier without the distraction of stuff that won't actually appear in the shot.

Also, ideally the camera could do this when reviewing footage, not just "live".

I'll put another vote in for both of those.

Also, and I've mentioned this before too so forgive me if it's already been decided on, a nice solution to a "ground glass" for 2.35:1 and 2.39:1 would be to have the "out of frame" area reduced in brightness as an option, as well as a more traditional guide framing...

Also, whilst I'm thinking about it, since it is also possible to shoot with anamorphics and take a centre-cut image to print, a stretch to anamorphic framing would be a great option too - anamorphic glass obviously has quite a distinctive look, which would be nice to have in the arsenal if desired.

[Zane Roach]

It'd be great when shooting in 2.35:1 (or 2.39:1) to be able to make use of the full width of the sensor so we'd be shooting 4520x1924 (ish) - it'd actually be a lower data-rate than 4096x2304 but would have a higher resolution than shooting 4k then cropping. Would this be possible? Pretty please?

Wider field of view too. Gets my vote.

[Stephen Webb]

Wider field of view too.

A good analogy for me is shooting s35mm for output to an anamorphic 35mm print.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

Here's a feature request. Obviously being able to see outside of the frame is very useful, so one certainly wants the ability to, for instance, see the entire 4.5K 16:9 frame while shooting for 4K 2.35:1, with overlays showing the frame line. From what I've read, the camera can do this.

But for visualization purposes, it would also be great if it were possible to toggle this off, so you would just see the 2.35:1 frame, and have it expand/letterbox as appropriate to fill as much of the viewfinder/LCD/external monitor as possible.

This option would be particularly useful for external monitoring. The camera operator wants to see outside of the frame for practical reasons. The DP and director probably just want to see what the shot is going to look like as accurately as possible. Judging frame composition, etc. would be easier without the distraction of stuff that won't actually appear in the shot.

Also, ideally the camera could do this when reviewing footage, not just "live".


Here's another feature request (and one I've asked for before, but I reckon it doesn't hurt to mention it again!)

It'd be great when shooting in 2.35:1 (or 2.39:1) to be able to make use of the full width of the sensor so we'd be shooting 4520x1924 (ish) - it'd actually be a lower data-rate than 4096x2304 but would have a higher resolution than shooting 4k then cropping. Would this be possible? Pretty please?


Another vote here.

Emmanuel

[Justin Anderson]

For those of us too cheap to pop for the EVF, I imagine that the on-board LCD will also be able to show reticles for the most common formats? I especially like the gray-out-the-rest-of-the-frame kinda reticles. Hopefully, at least including, 1.33:1, 1:78:1, 1.85:1, and 2:35:1 aspect ratios. I could actually really care less about 1:33:1 (or 1:66:1 for that matter), since I'll be happily acquiring 2:35:1 most of the time! Has anyone at RED confirmed this feature yet for the on-board LCD?

I would just prefer being able to set my own aspect ratio with up to 2 decimal place accuracy.

[Jaime Vallés]

It'd be great when shooting in 2.35:1 (or 2.39:1) to be able to make use of the full width of the sensor so we'd be shooting 4520x1924 (ish) - it'd actually be a lower data-rate than 4096x2304 but would have a higher resolution than shooting 4k then cropping. Would this be possible? Pretty please?

Lower data rate... might mean higher frame rates? 60p in 4K 2.35:1 Pretty please??? ;)

Even if we don't use the full 4.5K width, I'd love to shoot 4K cropped in camera to 2:35:1 at 60p for 4K slo-mo on board to RED-FLASH. Anyone? Bueller?