GibCor's Top Secret RED 4K 3D Shoot

[Ken Corben]

Well,

Gibby and I promised the reduser community you'd see it here first. The results of GibCor's "Top Secret" RED ONE shoot from Saturday is being released tomorrow. Special thanks to Billy Summers and #13.
So here's the skinny:

BTW - I can't afford to send 3D glasses to everyone so you'll have to see the results when we screen them in LA later this month or see our GibCor 4K 3D feature in a RealD theater near you "Coming Soon."

Sharky

A quantum leap in 3D production and stereographic post-production from a tapeless workflow, resulted in a successful 3D test shoot and screening on Saturday, September 1st . Producers Steve Gibby and Kenneth Corben of GibCor, teamed up with their 3D production partners Max Penner and Tim Thomas at Paradise FX to produce one of the first stereo 3D shoots originated with RED 4K cameras.

GibCor provided RED camera #8 and their associate, Billy Summers, provided RED camera #13. Both were literally “out of the box” from the first 25 RED cameras released on August 31st. The team shot a 4K 3D dual camera test, and captured REDCODE RAW to two RED 8 GB compact flash cards.

The production alliance between GibCor and PFX has been in development on their RED 4K 3D projects since February in anticipation of the cameras’ release this year. “The results of this first RED 4K 3D shoot will enable us to bring great stories, shot in stereo 3D, to audiences like never before,” said producer Steve Gibby. The RED 4K cameras were fitted with a pair of RED compact zooms (18-50mm) and mounted to the Paracam. The Paracam is a 3D camera system that employs a beam splitter and has digital control of the inter-axial and convergent positioning of each of the RED ONE cameras. By Noon the team was viewing 3D content, originated from a tapeless 4K workflow.

The 4K 3D post workflow was seamless thanks to the SCRATCH system and Lucas Wilson from Assimilate. The 4K REDCODE RAW .r3d files were imported from CF cards into a beta version of REDCINE running on an Intel based Mac system. The left and right eye files were de-bayered from 4K RAW to 2K files then imported to SCRATCH as .dpx files. SCRATCH allowed for “plug and play” into Paradise’s dual projection system for quick stereo 3D playback. After the screening, veteran 3D stereographer Max Penner said, “To take 2 cameras that have never been tested out of the box, then shoot and project 3D all in one day, is almost unheard of. All done with no umbilical cables, tape decks or digitizing. This changes everything!”

Paradise FX and GibCor are in negotiations with several major studios regarding this technology and it’s implementation in the motion picture industry. This is the first of a succession of stereo 3D tests with the RED ONE camera. Ongoing tests will help to define a workflow to apply to future 3D productions in both Large Format Film and Digital Theatrical Releases. The RED ONE camera has a small 3D form factor with a high resolution at a decent price, making it highly promising for future 3D films.


About GibCor
Emmy-winning producer/director/cinematographer Steve Gibby (www.cut4.tv) has now teamed up with award-winning producer/director/cinematographer Ken Corben (www.kennethcorben.com) to form GibCor as their unified production and distribution company. Their combined backgrounds include over 1,000 national television programs that aired on 18 different broadcast and cable television networks. Both Gibby and Corben have worked worldwide in such diverse production genres as: sports, travel, nature, music, lifestyle, reality, cultures, and documentaries. GibCor has multiple 3D and 2D features and HDTV series in development for 2007-08 and beyond. Extensive information on both Gibby and Corben is currently available on their individual web sites. A dynamic web site for the new GibCor company will be online in October 2007.

About Paradise FX
Founded in 1992, Paradise FX Corp is a production and post-production team based out of Los Angeles. Tim Thomas and Max Penner founded Paradise after back-to-back 65mm projects that had them on the road for the first 3 years, circling the world several times. From 65mm to 35mm and now to Red 4K – Paradise FX is well equipped to handle any medium. Prior to Paradise, Max Penner was associated for over 12 years with Ed Dijulio and Cinema Products. Max was instrumental in bringing the Showscan camera system up to speed and making it production friendly. Tim Thomas draws experience as a Key grip and Motion Control Technician for several companies as well as a wide background in Large Format and Special Venue prior to teaming up with Max.
Fusing creative development with technical skills Paradise FX has been involved with clients such as IMAX, Paramount, Universal, Disney and many more. Paradise has designed a state of the art RED 4K 3D Dual camera system in addition to having several other 3D-HD/SD/35mm systems in development, and will continue to remain the leader in 3-D camera systems and personnel.

[Tonaci Tran]

Man, when I thought it couldn't get any better. Excellent news!!!

[Joseph Regner]

Amazing.... Can't wait to see the footage. Bravo!

[Kevin Halverson]

Way cool!

What interocular distance was used?

[Andrew Benz]

In the immortal words of my drill sergeant... WTF!!!... Over?

Respect!

- Andrew

[Casey Green]

Wow! Everyday, the test shoots and announced projects just keep getting better and better!

Well done, guys!

[Brook Willard]

Crazy, man... Post reads like a press release.

[Sam Druckerman]

Congratulations to Sharky & Gibby......

Best wishes for GibCor's future success!!!!

[Steve Tammi]

Very cool! Grats to all involved. Can't wait to see.

[Justin O'Neill]

Wow. That is incredible. I'm glad I live near LA so I can actually see this.

I need directions to my local holodeck!

[Alexander Nikishin]

4K 3D! Nice.

[Unwounded]

FAR OUT, that's awesome......so this screening your doing, is it big wigs only or is there someway average Red Joes like me can get to checkit out?

[jbeale]

Exciting stuff. I assume for this type of work the two separate cameras do need to match very accurately in exposure, color etc. Did you find that they matched up well "out of the box", or were individual adjustments necessary?

[Corrado Silveri]

wow...

My hat off, guys.

[IAN SUN]

I must admit you gents have surprised me with this one, I did not expect this right out of the gate.

Good on you, exciting times ahead.
I'm now looking at my two RED Ones with both eyes wide open.

[explosive]

Crazy, man... Post reads like a press release.

I think it was a press release :)

[Evin Grant]

"The force is strong with this one..." The LART just got a hell of a lot more interesting... and it was pretty damn interesting to begn with!

[Sanjin Jukic]

Bravo guys!

RED 4K 3D>>Absolutely amazing!!!

[Rob Lohman]

Damn! That's all I can say. I'm really sad that I won't see this on the big screen since I'll be out of LA for the rest of the month. Sigh :(

[Cory Strassburger]

that ROCKS you guys!! I've worked with Max Penner in the past (in the early days of the sony F900) and he's as cool and bad ass as it gets. I knew somewhere out there he would be involved with RedOne, obviously sooner than later! good for you guys, here's to taking the next level to the next level. Can wait to see the screening!

[Kyle Spicer]

I have to say I expected something like this from you two! This is great news and I'm sure both of you are stoked. Big Congratz!!!

[Álex Montoya]

Very nice, indeed. Anyway, could we get some frame grabs?

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

I have to say I expected something like this from you two! This is great news and I'm sure both of you are stoked. Big Congratz!!!

I also expected something "more" after Sharkguys post a few days ago, 3D is the next logical evolution for films (and has been since the fifties), hopefully with your workflow - going there will be feasable.

Good luck, please share more when you can!

[Mark Thorpe]

Hey Ken and Gibby,
Pushing the envelope never felt so good I bet. That's monumental mate. So I go out diving, spend the day with some (grey) suits and come back to the news of the century......knock 'em dead guys.....well I forgot, you already have.

Well done.
Mark.

[Álex Montoya]

How did you sync the cameras?

[david farland]

Crazy, man... Post reads like a press release.
I think that's the idea.

Now that's over, it's onto the field tests.......Yippee!!

[Eric Maran]

what if you already own a few different pairs of 3d glasses? :D

[PaulClements]

Sounds good Ken, look forward to seeing the results.

Paul

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks for the kind words everyone…

So, the “cat is outa the bag”, so to speak! Both Sharky and I have been right here in the middle of the RED User community, and we’ve had a ton of inquiries about what we’ve had to keep under NDA. We were finally ready to roll part of it out into the open, and RED User was naturally our first place to post some info on our project. Now that our RED User family has had a peek at our 3D project, this morning a press release on our RED 4K 3D project went out to multiple trades.

Let me just say this from the beginning: thank you RED Team for your dedication in developing RED One, lenses, and accessories. You’ve done “impossible” things in such a relatively short time span. The genie is now out of the bottle – the tools are starting to hit the streets, sets, and locations. Now its up to us, the users, to push these tools to their limit – and beyond!

I was way impressed by the RED Day at RED headquarters last Friday. Under intense time and resource pressure, RED Team, including Jim and every team member, stepped up as pros and exhibited the kind of attitude and customer service ethic that simply is missing in this industry. They made everyone feel like family.

There were shortages of some accessories on Friday, but RED Team apologized for that and accommodated everyone as best as possible. Think about this: Jim Jannard left for the NHRA Indy races the next day and took one of his RED One cameras – and didn’t even have a RED LCD to use on it because he made sure every last one of the LCD’s that were available went out with his customers on Friday. I’m one of the customers that got an LCD and it was indispensable for our RED 4K 3D shooting on Saturday. Thanks Jim and RED Team for your commitment to your customers – deeply appreciated.

RED #8 and #13 (Thanks again Billy!) performed really well right out of the box. To be sure, being in the very first batch of shipping cameras, you’d expect some bugs to pop up. We had nothing that I’d call a “bug”, and when something didn’t work quite right we later found out that it was operator error as we figured out the our field workflow.

The build of the camera, lenses, and accessories is solid – built like a tank for sure. IMO this stuff will take a professional beating and easily come back for more. We used RED 18-50 zooms on both of the cameras. The results were excellent.

The LCD is lightweight, mountable almost anywhere, and dances well with the system.

The relatively small size and mounting options for RED One were critical to the 3D work we did. Our crew was able to mount the cameras on the Paracam without problem.

A big thanks to Lucas Wilson of Assimilate for bringing their SCRATCH system to our 3D testing! It made working with the footage a cakewalk for sure.

Lastly, a huge thanks and kudos to our friends at Paradise FX! They jumped in with their extensive 3D experience and together we had great fun while figuring out how to set up and operate the Paracam with RED One cameras. BTW…we also shot some 2D test shots with each camera, right out of the box…and the results were excellent.

The bottom line is that we not only set up the Paracam RED 4k 3D equipment – but then rolled it out into the lot and easily cranked out some 3D footage. After Lucas worked his SCRATCH magic, we loaded the files up to the projectors, put the 3D glasses, and held our collective breath – then there it was – our Paracam/RED One 4k originated 3D short! Believe me, it was a total rush! We all hooted and watched it over and over again – a bunch of image hungry guys getting a major buzz.

We’re under NDA on many details of the technology involved – can’t say more now. As we can, we’ll give you some more details on our project.

We believe 2D production will obviously always be with us, and we’ll naturally continue to do 2D production with RED One. But RED One 3D opens some exciting possibilities! In the coming months and years we expect our PFX/GibCor RED 3D systems to deliver some amazing images as we put them to use in the multiple genres of production around the world.

Again, thanks for the kind words guys…we’ll get you more info when we can.

Parting thought: RED 2D seriously rocks…but RED 3D is a mindblower!

[Ken Corben]

Excerpt from Hollywood Wiretap:

Katzenberg's army of followers seems to grow almost daily. Steven Spielberg is on board and is preparing to work with Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson to produce a 3D film. They join devotees like Titanic director James Cameron and a certain Yoda from San Francisco named George Lucas, who intends to trot out his six Star Wars flicks in 3D starting in 2009. "Jeffrey's Mr. Go Go," says Lucas. "The time has come for 3D to become more than some theme park attraction. We see a business there."

http://www.hollywoodwiretap.com/?module=news&action=story&id=17670

[Paul Leeming]

Looking forward to being able to put a deposit down on the ParaCam technology.... hopefully the Red business method will begin to flow on down the line to associated projects etc. It can only lead to great things!!

[Lucas Wilson]

...we loaded the files up to the projectors, put the 3D glasses, and held our collective breath – then there it was – our Paracam/RED One 4k originated 3D short! Believe me, it was a total rush! We all hooted and watched it over and over again – a bunch of image hungry guys getting a major buzz.

It was pretty damned cool. There's always that pucker moment right before you hit play when you think "man, I sure hope this works." And then we hit play... and it worked... and it was crisply defined stereo. Well... there was a bit of an anticlimax because I got the eyes mixed at first, so it was pseudo-stereo. Kinda weird hearing a room of previously quiet people yelling "PSEUDO!" Not a normal crowd call. : )

A quick flip of layers in SCRATCH, and "poof" - stereo.

The crew I got the chance to work with was fantastic... all serious pros. It was 107 in Van Nuys on Saturday, and we were shooting outside... and everbody remained in really good spirits. :) Steve and Ken... thanks for giving me the opportunity to be a part of it.

To go from two new, untested cameras out of the box to a successful stereo screening in one day is nothing short of amazing.

Looking forward to much more...

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[Steve Freebairn]

It was pretty damned cool. There's always that pucker moment right before you hit play when you think "man, I sure hope this works." And then we hit play... and it worked... and it was crisply defined stereo. Well... there was a bit of an anticlimax because I got the eyes mixed at first, so it was pseudo-stereo. Kinda weird hearing a room of previously quiet people yelling "PSEUDO!" Not a normal crowd call. : )

A quick flip of layers in SCRATCH, and "poof" - stereo.

The crew I got the chance to work with was fantastic... all serious pros. It was 107 in Van Nuys on Saturday, and we were shooting outside... and everbody remained in really good spirits. :) Steve and Ken... thanks for giving me the opportunity to be a part of it.

To go from two new, untested cameras out of the box to a successful stereo screening in one day is nothing short of amazing.

Looking forward to much more...

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

That is way funny! Sounds incredible! The slight flicker of 3d films was pretty distracting before. Digital should be amazing to see.

[Ken Corben]

that ROCKS you guys!! I've worked with Max Penner in the past (in the early days of the sony F900) and he's as cool and bad ass as it gets. I knew somewhere out there he would be involved with RedOne, obviously sooner than later! good for you guys, here's to taking the next level to the next level. Can wait to see the screening!

I've worked with Max and Tim at Paradise FX since '97 when we shot the first underwater 3D with Sony HD cameras. Max is not in a box and therefore doesn't need to think outside it. Tim is the coolest guy under pressure I know - a rock.

It was a no brainer on who Gibby and I were going to work with on RED 4K 3D. Paradise FX is a leader in 3D technology.

BTW - That is Tim on the left muscling the submersible with the 3D camera rig inside into position - he could damn near bench press the thing.

[planet e]

this is just super sicky sick! especially since james cameron's "ghost of the abyss" is just about my favorite. film. experience. ever! and so very few people have seen it. it was as much a film about making films as it was about its actual topic, the titanic. in 3D, no less.

and "sharkboy and lavagirl" is probably one of my daughter's all-time favorites.

this is just so mind-blowingly cool and that you did it straight out of the box is downright heroic. nice work. way to make a splash.

[Jarred Land]

Crazy, man... Post reads like a press release.

heh heh heh.. yeah, that sounds like gibby.

[Steve Gibby]

heh heh heh.. yeah, that sounds like gibby.

Who me? :whistling:

[Joe Carney]

And this is in 2K, wait until 4K is being projected.
wow.

[Hrvoje Simic]

This is totally fantastic!

I'm speechless...

[Justin Kirchhoff]

I'm pretty sure this news made me poop my pants a little.

[Adrian T.]

I'd say the LA screening will be 7-10 days after genlock is enabled this month in the Redone cameras in order to eliminate the multi-camera phase issues.

I knew that it must be 3D after this yesterday's post of Sharky! :whistling:
Congrats, Gibby and Sharky! And good luck!

[Jonathan Payne]

I have some professional 3D cinema conversion experience (like Nightmare Before Christmas 3D but on a different title) and amateur stereo photography experience and I'm a camera head so this couldn't be more up my alley/areas of interest!

So, maybe I missed it the info but...I live in LA - Where is this happening? When a date is locked down will a new thread be created so that we can easily be clued-in? I'm stoked to see this, thanks Gibby/Shark Guy :)!!!!

[bbb]

This is just too much...
How to sleep after all of this???
First there was nothing,then came RED
Total mess...so different
Amazing... Simply Amazing
Priceless...

Congrats, guys.... keep it going

[Jaime Vallés]

Unbelievable. Just plain unreal. You people are all nuts! I can't wait to see RED 4K-3D!!!! Wow, that's just too many caps letters in a row...

[Ken Corben]

FAR OUT, that's awesome......so this screening your doing, is it big wigs only or is there someway average Red Joes like me can get to check it out?

Yes, the first LA screening of our RED 3D sizzle piece is for A-listers. There can't be pitching going on in the screening if you know what I mean - not cool. This is showBUSINESS but I have a thing about excluding the "little guy." I"ll work on a 3D screening for the reduser community if there is enough interest. No promises but it would be fun.

Sharky

[Joel Kaye]

Katzenburg

"Katzenberg's pitch: 3D can spice up the industry's box office take, which is growing this year by only single digits despite blockbusters like Spider-Man 3 and Transformers. Theaters hope to charge as much as $5 more per ticket for 3D films. And the technology keeps viewers away from DVDs (3D films can't be seen on disc, yet) and thwarts piracy since 3D movies are harder to record.

There's an element of self-interest in Katzenberg's campaign. The 3D technology is best suited for special-effects and animated films like those produced by his company. DreamWorks has said it plans to release only 3D movies to theaters, starting in 2009 with an animated horror movie, Monsters vs. Aliens, as well as the latest in its Shrek franchise."

"I don't hear anyone clamoring for this," says box office tracker Paul Dergarabedian, founder of the research firm Media by the Numbers. "Maybe if there are some great films that you just have to see in 3D."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_37/b4049075.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily

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A case of Hollywood trying to create demand where there currently is little to boost ticket prices. They might just do it. They are the best in the world at hype and they have massive advertising reach. I'll see Beowulf 3D for sure.

[MikeCurtis]

Bad ass Gibby! Congrats! How to top shooting in 4K....4K 3D!

This'll be VERY cool to see. Tewtally worth delaying LART for this.

-mike

[Shawn Nelson]

Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two Reds at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two Reds at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause a real Red shoot needs a dude with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all Red shoots.
Lawrence: Well, the type of Reds that'd double up on a shoot like mine do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.

[Fix]

Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two Reds at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two Reds at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause a real Red shoot needs a dude with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all Red shoots.
Lawrence: Well, the type of Reds that'd double up on a shoot like mine do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.

Aaaaahh . Office space. Love that movie dude ;)

[Ken Corben]

Exciting stuff. I assume for this type of work the two separate cameras do need to match very accurately in exposure, color etc. Did you find that they matched up well "out of the box", or were individual adjustments necessary?

Yes we were concerned with production cameras matching for 3D on several technical levels. RED delivered beautifully on their end - no camera tweaks were needed to capture 3D with #8 and #13.

Nice job Red Team.

[Adam Jeal]

Fantastic news! - congrats to Gibby, Ken & Luki. Any chance of us eupopeans getting a sneaky peek of this on Assimilate's stand at IBC? (I know this is wishful thinking!)

You guys rule! :ninja:

adam

[Unwounded]

Yes, the first LA screening of our RED 3D sizzle piece is for A-listers. There can't be pitching going on in the screening if you know what I mean - not cool. This is showBUSINESS but I have a thing about excluding the "little guy." I"ll work on a 3D screening for the reduser community if there is enough interest. No promises but it would be fun.

Sharky

.........If there's enough interest..... :blink: You're gonna have to beat the overflow crowd of redheads away with a stick. :gun: Seriously though that would be very cool of you guys if you did a screening for redheads. I'm sure everyone would be happy to make donations for theatre costs or pitch in somehow to make it happen.....hell,... I'll put on a funny hat and sell JUJU BEEs at the concession counter if it helps :nerd:

[rsperttula]

Thats bloody awesome! Can't wait to see this!

[Jonathan Payne]

We're (the little guys/Redheads) interested! Just tell us when and where!

[Lucas Wilson]

Fantastic news! - congrats to Gibby, Ken & Luki. Any chance of us eupopeans getting a sneaky peek of this on Assimilate's stand at IBC? (I know this is wishful thinking!)

Sorry, Adam... it is wishful thinking. :)

I am not GibCor, but I think they want their first RED 3D piece that is publicly available to be a knock-it-out-of-the-park experience.

I mean... at the end of the day, we did it. But it was what you might call an abbreviated delivery schedule. We took a few shortcuts here and there. :)

Lucas Wilson
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA

[chuck colburn]

Well,

Gibby and I promised the reduser community you'd see it here first. The results of GibCor's "Top Secret" RED ONE shoot from Saturday is being released tomorrow. Special thanks to Billy Summers and #13.
So here's the skinny:

BTW - I can't afford to send 3D glasses to everyone so you'll have to see the results when we screen them in LA later this month or see our GibCor 4K 3D feature in a RealD theater near you "Coming Soon."

Sharky

A quantum leap in 3D production and stereographic post-production from a tapeless workflow, resulted in a successful 3D test shoot and screening on Saturday, September 1st . Producers Steve Gibby and Kenneth Corben of GibCor, teamed up with their 3D production partners Max Penner and Tim Thomas at Paradise FX to produce one of the first stereo 3D shoots originated with RED 4K cameras.

GibCor provided RED camera #8 and their associate, Billy Summers, provided RED camera #13. Both were literally “out of the box” from the first 25 RED cameras released on August 31st. The team shot a 4K 3D dual camera test, and captured REDCODE RAW to two RED 8 GB compact flash cards.

The production alliance between GibCor and PFX has been in development on their RED 4K 3D projects since February in anticipation of the cameras’ release this year. “The results of this first RED 4K 3D shoot will enable us to bring great stories, shot in stereo 3D, to audiences like never before,” said producer Steve Gibby. The RED 4K cameras were fitted with a pair of RED compact zooms (18-50mm) and mounted to the Paracam. The Paracam is a 3D camera system that employs a beam splitter and has digital control of the inter-axial and convergent positioning of each of the RED ONE cameras. By Noon the team was viewing 3D content, originated from a tapeless 4K workflow.

The 4K 3D post workflow was seamless thanks to the SCRATCH system and Lucas Wilson from Assimilate. The 4K REDCODE RAW .r3d files were imported from CF cards into a beta version of REDCINE running on an Intel based Mac system. The left and right eye files were de-bayered from 4K RAW to 2K files then imported to SCRATCH as .dpx files. SCRATCH allowed for “plug and play” into Paradise’s dual projection system for quick stereo 3D playback. After the screening, veteran 3D stereographer Max Penner said, “To take 2 cameras that have never been tested out of the box, then shoot and project 3D all in one day, is almost unheard of. All done with no umbilical cables, tape decks or digitizing. This changes everything!”

Paradise FX and GibCor are in negotiations with several major studios regarding this technology and it’s implementation in the motion picture industry. This is the first of a succession of stereo 3D tests with the RED ONE camera. Ongoing tests will help to define a workflow to apply to future 3D productions in both Large Format Film and Digital Theatrical Releases. The RED ONE camera has a small 3D form factor with a high resolution at a decent price, making it highly promising for future 3D films.


About GibCor
Emmy-winning producer/director/cinematographer Steve Gibby (www.cut4.tv) has now teamed up with award-winning producer/director/cinematographer Ken Corben (www.kennethcorben.com) to form GibCor as their unified production and distribution company. Their combined backgrounds include over 1,000 national television programs that aired on 18 different broadcast and cable television networks. Both Gibby and Corben have worked worldwide in such diverse production genres as: sports, travel, nature, music, lifestyle, reality, cultures, and documentaries. GibCor has multiple 3D and 2D features and HDTV series in development for 2007-08 and beyond. Extensive information on both Gibby and Corben is currently available on their individual web sites. A dynamic web site for the new GibCor company will be online in October 2007.

About Paradise FX
Founded in 1992, Paradise FX Corp is a production and post-production team based out of Los Angeles. Tim Thomas and Max Penner founded Paradise after back-to-back 65mm projects that had them on the road for the first 3 years, circling the world several times. From 65mm to 35mm and now to Red 4K – Paradise FX is well equipped to handle any medium. Prior to Paradise, Max Penner was associated for over 12 years with Ed Dijulio and Cinema Products. Max was instrumental in bringing the Showscan camera system up to speed and making it production friendly. Tim Thomas draws experience as a Key grip and Motion Control Technician for several companies as well as a wide background in Large Format and Special Venue prior to teaming up with Max.
Fusing creative development with technical skills Paradise FX has been involved with clients such as IMAX, Paramount, Universal, Disney and many more. Paradise has designed a state of the art RED 4K 3D Dual camera system in addition to having several other 3D-HD/SD/35mm systems in development, and will continue to remain the leader in 3-D camera systems and personnel.

Sharkguy,

Who's that wierd ass looking guy in the photographs?

Chuck

[Steve Gibby]

Sharkguy,

Who's that wierd ass looking guy in the photographs?

Chuck

I took those pics. I'm gonna tell Max Penner you said that! You told me you've known him for a long time, but last Saturday when I asked him if he remembered Chuck Colburn (not "Coburn"!) he said "Who?"

Just kiddin' - he said you're a good ole coot and to tell ya "Hi"! :biggrin:

[Randall Nott]

Sharkguy,

I've got to admit that when I first saw the Katzenberg quote in your signature I thought maybe you were being facetious about a technology that just hadn't taken off. Now I see that you guys aren't just taking this to the next level, you've gone all the way up to the roof, and leaped off! And then filmed it! In 3D! Okay, maybe the metaphor just got too long, but WOW! Really. WOW!

Maybe you guys could coordinate some kind of showing with the rumored LART after-party. Or would that be too soon?

Suffice it to say, there is interest.

[Shawn Nelson]

I took those pics. I'm gonna tell Max Penner you said that! You told me you've known him for a long time, but last Saturday when I asked him if he remembered Chuck Colburn (not "Coburn"!) he said "Who?"

Just kiddin' - he said you're a good ole coot and to tell ya "Hi"! :biggrin:

I must be blind. Where are these photographs?

[chuck colburn]

Shawn,

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[chuck colburn]

Gibby...

Ole coot huh?
I feel like Henry Fonda in "On Golden Pond"
You tell Max it's about time he got some readin specs. And tell him if he got some stronger ones (+3.00 diopters or such) he would not have to hold his head so far back from what he's looking at. lol

Chuck

[chuck colburn]

Yes we were concerned with production cameras matching for 3D on several technical levels. RED delivered beautifully on their end - no camera tweaks were needed to capture 3D with #8 and #13.

Nice job Red Team.

Sharkguy,

Speaking of matching... were those two RED zooms you were using? And if so, how close did the focal length markings and footage scales agree with each other?

Chuck

[Steve Gibby]

Speaking of matching... were those two RED zooms you were using? And if so, how close did the focal length markings and footage scales agree with each other?

Both cameras used RED 18-50 zooms. From what I observed and what Max said, the lenses were calibrated pretty close to each other. He liked the build of the lenses, and when we did the 2D test shots with #8 and Lucas put the footage up on his monitor, Max seemed to really like the quality of the images we were able to get with the camera/18-50 setup..

Everyone was stoked with the 3D images, considering what a short time we had to shake down the cameras, shoot, and post. Lucas' magic with SCRATCH helped immensely.

[Shawn Nelson]

Hey Steve,
Big time congrats on this test! It was a real treat to meet you and Pam this last Friday. I had told my dad ahead of time that I was looking forward to seeing "Red, Jim & Co and Gibby". I look forward to seeing your 3d work in the future!

[Albert Cheng]

Congrats Steve and Sharky on being the first. I knew you guys would pull it off. Max and the guys at Paradise rocks. I can't wait to see some screenings.

[Steve Gibby]

Hey Steve,
Big time congrats on this test! It was a real treat to meet you and Pam this last Friday. I had told my dad ahead of time that I was looking forward to seeing "Red, Jim & Co and Gibby". I look forward to seeing your 3d work in the future!

Thanks Shawn. It was way cool to meet you and your dad, and to talk shop. I think you have some great ideas for how you want to use #27. Go get 'em!

RED Day was a magical day for sure. That night I drove up to L.A. to prep for the 3D tests and try to get some sleep....yeah right! Too stoked to sleep...

As you can tell from what Sharky and I have said on this thread, #8 and #13 did real well in the 3D test...

We'll put up more of our 3D info when we can...

[Roberto B]

RED Day was a magical day for sure. That night I drove up to L.A. to prep for the 3D tests and try to get..gibby, c'mon stop it.. post your 2D footage! :-) less talk and more pics :innocent:

[Steve Gibby]

gibby, c'mon stop it.. post your 2D footage! :-) less talk and more pics :innocent:

The 2D shots were merely to test the cameras out before launching into the 3D testing. We share info on our projects because this community is interested in real world projects with RED One. That said, we'll post pics and footage from our projects when we're ready...and not before. :gun:

[Roberto B]

gibby please! :help: we accept 2D.. :ranting2:

[Proteus]

Congratulaions Gibby and good luck with your projects!!!
I'm happy for you and what your efforts would mean to 3D cinema because I'm a 3D fan too!

I hope you'll post a frame or two of 3D converted to cyan-red anaglyph so anyone of us can see with just a cheap pair of glasses!
Or just post a stereo pair and I'd be happy to do the conversion properly and upload the anaglyph!

[Steve Gibby]

Congratulaions Gibby and good luck with your projects!!!
I'm happy for you and what your efforts would mean to 3D cinema because I'm a 3D fan too!

I hope you'll post a frame or two of 3D converted to cyan-red anaglyph so anyone of us can see with just a cheap pair of glasses!
Or just post a stereo pair and I'd be happy to do the conversion properly and upload the anaglyph!

Thanks Proteus, we're way stoked about 3D as you might guess!

The first 3D tests were a shakedown cruise so to speak. In short, we adapted the cameras to the Paracam, matched them, tested some individual camera 2D sequences, viewed those results, tweaked cameras and rig more, rolled the rig out onto the lot and shot some 3D sequences in natural light, processed the footage in SCRATCH, output it to files for the projectors, put glasses on, and watched our 3D footage! As mentioned before, a huge thanks to RED, and our associates at Paradise FX, and Assimilate.

Next we have a complete 3D production of a short movie on location scheduled, with full crew, actors, props, jib, ActionCam RED, etc. That edited piece will be what is shown in the screenings in L.A. that Sharky mentioned earlier in this thread.

After shooting the short, we'll post some DSLR stills of the crew and Paracam/RED in action. We won't be releasing any stereo pairs prior to those screenings, but we'll see about posting some stills of 3D converted to cyan-red anaglyph in advance of the screenings.

We're having fun with this! The images we've achieved to this point are stunning...RED One is the real deal for sure!

[Proteus]

The first 3D tests were a shakedown cruise so to speak. In short, we adapted the cameras to the Paracam, matched them, tested a some individual camera 2D sequences, viewed those results, tweaked cameras and rig more, rolled the rig out onto the lot and shot some 3D sequences in natural light, processed the footage in SCRATCH, output it to files for the projectors, put glasses on, and watched our 3D footage! As mentioned before, a huge thanks to RED, and our associates at Paradise FX, and Assimilate.

Next we have a complete 3D production of a short movie on location scheduled, with full crew, actors, props, jib, ActionCam RED, etc. That edited piece will be what is shown in the screenings in L.A. that Sharky mentioned earlier in this thread.

Gibby all this sounds very, very interesting! Of course, it's a bit of a challenge to overcome all technical difficulties and then make 3D art with it -especially the later! But it's that challenge and the fact that it still is "unexplored territory" that makes it soooo... interesting!

I too, believe that RED is the proper type of camera for this task because of its RAW ability, where the decisions are all left to the cinematographer.


After shooting the short, we'll post some DSLR stills of the crew and Paracam/RED in action. We won't be releasing any stereo pairs prior to those screenings, but we'll see about posting some stills of 3D converted to cyan-red anaglyph in advance of the screenings.

We're having fun with this! The images we've achieved to this point are stunning...RED One is the real deal for sure!

I'm sure you have a lot of fun! And I would really love to see the short, but I live in Europe. I hope there will be 3D capable D-Cinemas here soon, to enjoy the new 3D evolution and your work!

BTW, have you thought of releasing part of your 3D work (eg shorts) to a format for early 3D adopters (home cinema 3D fans)?
I think that although 3D productions are rare, there are thousands of 3D fans that would be willing to buy quality 3D-HD shorts, movies etc that they could see with their projectors, Plasma or CRT screens, perhaps with shutter glasses. There may not be many high refresh rate displays yet, but thats a minor detail for ..early adopters! EDIT: Even anaglyph in HD would sell very well, in my opinion amd to a larger market!

But there are already some 3D capable HDTVs. You may know that Samsung has released a projection TV that can display 3D @ 120fps (60fps/eye) using LED instead of a lamp for better color! "The HLT generation of Samsung DLP HDTVs are capable of displaying future 3D games, movies, and other programming via 3D compatible glasses and hardware."
See: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HLT5687S-Slim-Engine-1080p/dp/B000N53T0K

And soon a 3D-Blu-ray player from Mitsubishi
see: http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9764622-1.html

Anyway, I'm looking forward to see samples of your work, even on anaglyphs!

[Jared VanLeuven]

So, we should be seeing SharkGuy & LavaGibby in theaters soon, eh? :)

Amazing work, guys! Truly incredible.

[Ken Corben]

I have been asked to provide 3D content for one of the major electronic manufacturers to use for their 3D home system demonstrations. I was thinking great white sharks in 3D but they need it ASAP so it will probably be great bait ball sequences from Mexico.

Very cool systems indeed...

[chuck colburn]

Jeffrey,

How about a large fir bearing animal chewing on a "Chevy"?

Chuck

[Proteus]

I have been asked to provide 3D content for one of the major electronic manufacturers to use for their 3D home system demonstrations. I was thinking great white sharks in 3D but they need it ASAP so it will probably be great bait ball sequences from Mexico.

Very cool systems indeed...

Haha, anyway that's good news! Don't forget though that the first impression counts for the consumer... whoever is the first, might be remembered... and that might be a good mass advertisement oportunity for your company!

IMO any impressive sequence, even small clever things in 3D could have an impact to the viewer.. The trick is to make him see from a different perspective ...what he was taking for granted -until now! :biggrin:

(The funny thing is I was also interested in that area from the beginning... I've done a lot of research (I'm more on the technical side) I have also cancelled a 3D project in HDV in favor of the RED camera, but I don't know yet If I'll manage next year to continue, (I'm currently occupied on a totally different area) but I hope so!)

[Joel Kaye]

I have been asked to provide 3D content for one of the major electronic manufacturers to use for their 3D home system demonstrations. I was thinking great white sharks in 3D but they need it ASAP so it will probably be great bait ball sequences from Mexico.

Very cool systems indeed...

Man - that sounds really cool Sharkguy. Great Whites might be cooler... but that rig you guys have is truly amazing. I think underwater and 3D is a really good match because it's surreal to begin with.

Congrats! Can't wait to see some footage.

[Johnny Friday]

sounds like a 3 piece in 3D:
a. bait balls
b. marlin feeding on bait balls
c. dorado schools nailing bait balls

oh....and a lobster :bleh:

[Mark Thorpe]

.....hey, equal rights for nudibranchs too!

[Johnny Friday]

.....hey, equal rights for nudibranchs too!

I'm all for the nudis! :biggrin:

[Steve Gibby]

So, maybe I missed it the info but...I live in LA - Where is this happening? When a date is locked down will a new thread be created so that we can easily be clued-in?

Can't release that yet. As we get closer to the screenings, and we're sure we can have the second screening, we'll post info on a new thread here on RED User.

Gonna be fun!

[albert rudnicki]

Where would be the best place to learn about the production and post production setup with 3d content?
I have ordered a second cam with that intention.
Thanks
Albert
www.yayofilms.com

[Phil Becque]

Well I go away for a few weeks (my daughter just got married and had her reception in India) and it's RED 3D in 4K!! Way to go Gibby and Ken!!

Hearty congratulations to everyone involved with the project; it's just sounds totally awesome! I sure this will signal the start of a sea change (no pun intended Ken) in commercial 3D productions. I have no real idea about all the post work required to get the 3D image to pop out at the viewer but I can't wait to see it!!

I do hope everything goes well with your A-listers; you need big backing to get this off the ground and fortunately you have the collective talent to pull this kind of thing off! I'm really pleased for you all. It must seem like a dream come true! But then of course you had that dream in the first place - so well done - well done!

Let me know if you are coming over to the UK and we'll have a beer or two! I'm buying . . . .

All the very best to you both. Phil

[Steven Parker]

That's fantastic, guys! Best of luck...

and YES there is definite interest in a LA screening:biggrin:

[Jonathan Payne]

Gibby: Wonderful! I look forward to it!

[chuck colburn]

How about this pardner.....

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/videoedsys/revfeat/video_return_duke/

[David Limpus]

Gibby,

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.

David

[jbeale]

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.
I don't know if inter-ocular distances for 3D work are typically set for natural spacing, or wider for exaggerated 3D effects, but try this- measure the distance between your two eyeballs- for me it's about 65 mm.

How could I shoot natural-looking 3D with two Red cameras side by side? The red body alone is 132 mm wide and you'll need several more cm at least for the side cable access.

[chuck colburn]

I believe, (if I remember right) that a side by side configuration results in too large of an interocular distance.

[Proteus]

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.
David

A beam splitter is used to let you choose a smaller interocular distance than what a side by side camera placement would allow, like 6.5cm as is the average human, or even smaller down to zero (2d). Its main drawback is that you can't use a very wide lens and it makes the total system larger and more awkward. Also the image in the upper camera is recorded flipped horizontally and it acts as a permanent one stop ND filter (not important for RED).

[David Limpus]

If it was possible to obtain a 2K frames from the two red one's on there sides would this be closer to the interocular distance? I just have not seen a measurement from the centre of the pl mount to the highest point on the body of the camera. This removes the side by side connector problem, reduces the rez but if RED made the 2K windowing available to be sideways and at 72 fps it would be interesting to compare.

[Proteus]

If it was possible to obtain a 2K frames from the two red one's on there sides would this be closer to the interocular distance? I just have not seen a measurement from the centre of the pl mount to the highest point on the body of the camera. This removes the side by side connector problem, reduces the rez but if RED made the 2K windowing available to be sideways and at 72 fps it would be interesting to compare.

The 2k windowing to the side would have asymmetrical distortion caused from the lens which would damage badly the 3D perception, so it can't be done this way.

Also you'd have to crop the image to adjust the "window" in post and thus reduce further the 2k resolution (vs 4k).

EDIT: Add to this, the doubling of the focal length too!

[Ryan Sims]

I think you could shot great 2K 3D images with a single RED. There are many methods. 3D is not new technology. I've done things like this before with mirrors for still photography and SD video 20 years ago.

http://www.hineslab.com/WebPageImages/MirrorStereo5Konica35frnt.jpghttp://www.hineslab.com/WebPageImages/MirrorStereo4SamplePix.jpg

Check out this guys website: http://www.hineslab.com/MirrorStereo.html

If you want 4K 3D, then your gonna need 2 RED cameras.
Just remenber that RED's 2K is better than 1920x1080p HD video. Mirrors can allow for a small single-camera 3D rig with no genlock issues.

[chuck colburn]

I know about "Hines labs" ( see the CP-65 cameras) what does this have to do with "single camera 3-D shooting")

http://www.hineslab.com/StereoCam.html

ooops you said two cameras

sorry

[Ken Corben]

Well... there was a bit of an anticlimax because I got the eyes mixed at first, so it was pseudo-stereo. Kinda weird hearing a room of previously quiet people yelling "PSEUDO!" Not a normal crowd call. : )

A quick flip of layers in SCRATCH, and "poof" - stereo.


I wasn't going to tell that story - I was stoked you knew the right buttons to push to get it right - very impressive SCRATCH demo.

[Steve Gibby]

Where would be the best place to learn about the production and post production setup with 3d content?
I have ordered a second cam with that intention.
Thanks
Albert
www.yayofilms.com

There's a learning curve in getting your head around 3D. I'm just in the middle of that learning curve, but I've hooked up with other professionals who are experts in it. My best advice to you would be to do a lot of online tech board searches on 3D, find guys who are interested in it, and form alliances with them.

Contact me offline via PM and I'll give you some more ideas on this...

[Ken Corben]

More great news on the RED 4K 3D front coming this week. From what I know the RED camera is opening doors to productions Jim may have never thought of thanks to our talented and creative team.

Great Stuff!

[husakm]

To use one camera is a bad idea from following reasons :clown2: :
- you lose resolution
- you can not adjut interocular distance
- your zoom range is limited
- most of the optical attachment produce side effect (vigneting, image look disparity due to polarization ....)

[Terry Delahunt]

A quantum leap in 3D production and stereographic post-production from a tapeless workflow, resulted in a successful 3D test shoot and screening on Saturday, September 1st . Producers Steve Gibby and Kenneth Corben of GibCor, teamed up with their 3D production partners Max Penner and Tim Thomas at Paradise FX to produce one of the first stereo 3D shoots originated with RED 4K cameras.



Very exciting!! Well done guys! Thanks for letting us in on this. Look forward to learning more. (Could you post a slightly larger photo of the set up - showing the two RED's?)

Thanks!