Hello Mr. Nikon.. Meet Red One.

[Jarred Land]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_1189026527.jpg

[S. Um]

Nice! Now you have to do some tests and compare Nikon vs. Red/Cooke/etc. lenses.

[David Battistella]

So,

It's just going to be six screws! nice.

the surprises just keep coming!

David

[Anders Holck]

So,

It's just going to be six screws! nice.


Hmm, I can only count 4 :-)

Looks pretty solid though.

[Thom Steinhoff]

Beautiful shot. I take it that is #10

Does this mean you have custom naming sorted out in a way we can name our camera where nobody else can claim that name?!

So Boris, Natasha and Deadwood are taken...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Finally!

Bravo!

I still cannot believe it!

Nippon Kogaku Japan - Nikon F mount on RED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do have ** attractive (manual) lens set of Nikkor F, Zeiss ZF, Sigma Nikon F mount,
Leica VISO M/Nikon F adapter, Schneider-Kreuznach M42/Nikon f adapter,
Cooke Panchro for M42 adapted/Nikon F adapter and Hasselblad/Zeiss/Nikon F.

++Primes:
14mm = Sigma AF/MF 14mm f/1:3.5 Multi Coated
24mm = Nikkor-N A 24mm f/1:2.8
28mm = Nikkor AI-S 28mm f/1:2.8
35mm = Nikkor AI 35mm f/1:1.4
35mm = PCS Arsat H f/2.8 Shift lens Made in Ukraine
50mm = Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm ZF f/1:1.4
50mm = Nikkor AF 50mm f/1:1.8 D
55mm = Nikkor-R-Micro AI 55mm f/1:3.5
65mm = Leica Elmar 65mm f/1:3.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
75mm = Cooke Speed Panchro 75mm f/2, T/2.3 adapted to M42/Nikon F adapter
80mm = Hasselblad - Carl Zeiss Planar T* 80mm f/1:2.8 to Nikon F adapter
85mm = Nikkor AF 85mm f/1:1.8 D
90mm = Leica Summicron 90mm f/1:2.0 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
105mm = Nikkor AI-S 105mm f/1:2.5
135mm = Nikkor-Q A 135mm f/1:2.8
135mm = Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 135mm f/1:3.5 M42/Nikon F adapter
180mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar Olympia 180mm f/1:2.8 Nikon F
200mm = Leica Telyt 200mm f/1:4.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
500mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Fernobjektiv 500mm f/1:8.0 M42/Nikon F adapter

++Zooms:
17-35mm = Nikkor AF 17-35mm f/1:2.8 D ED
35-80mm = Nikkor AF 35-80mm f/1:4.0-5.6 D
70-210mm = Nikkor AF 70-210mm f/1:4.0-5.6
100-300mm = Soligor Nikon/F 100-300mm f/1:5.0

[Brook Willard]

Oooo...

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Beautiful shot. I take it that is #10

Does this mean you have custom naming sorted out in a way we can name our camera where nobody else can claim that name?!

So Boris, Natasha and Deadwood are taken...

These names are for our beta cams...

[Rick Darge]

Sweet cherries.. Now lets see some imagery !

[Thom Steinhoff]

These names are for our beta cams...

Oh, that's the first time I've heard of Deadwood--I just assumed it was Jarred's #10. That combined with the "Serial number also on the side is for the first 25 post on release" and Jim saying "We'll look into custom naming" some time ago had me doing the math in my head.

Beautiful shot, none-the-less.

[Brook Willard]

So,

It's just going to be six screws! nice.

the surprises just keep coming!

David

My guess is that the 4 larger screws you see there reveal 8 more [which are visible when the camera has a PL mount] beneath it.

[Laco Zamba]

I see 4 and 6 screws :-)
Which we have to screw to exchange mount?

[David Battistella]

Hmm, I can only count 4 :-)

Looks pretty solid though.

Counting the wrong set!

[Joe Vinson]

Jarred, if you were hoping that shiny new RED was going to land you a DPing gig on the "Deadwood" series, I'm afraid I have some bad news...

[Desert Rune]

If I attach a 18-200mm VR lens, is it possible to use vibration reduction with the Red One? How about auto focus? Is there a possibility of licensing this protocol from Nikon?

I'm more run and gun, EFP style so changing primes is really not an option with me.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Screw them 4 and go Nikon F with manual lenses.

6 small screws are from the mount itself screwed before by RED.

[Anders Holck]

If I attach a 18-200mm VR lens, is it possible to use vibration reduction with the Red One? How about auto focus? Is there a possibility of licensing this protocol from Nikon?

The Nikon mount RED offers is passive.

Birger Engineering will offer a full blown Nikon mount with focus & iris control and a trigger to start the vibration gyros. Just search for Birger in the lens forum.
No Autofocus though.

[chuck colburn]

Counting the wrong set!

Mayby not. I doubt if you remove just the Nikon mount itself as the little screws holding it to the black tube would not stand up well to repeated mount and dismount. Besides the black tube looks shorter thern the one on the PL mount. Which would make sense as the Nikon FFD is 46.5mm as opposed to 52mm for the PL. But in the photo it looks like the second to the bottom left screw on the whole front standard is missing. Might just be an optical illusion...unlike the camera itself. LOL

[Jason Francois]

nice.

[Jarred Land]

Evin will test the Nikon mount when we have a few moments to breath... hes best suited for the task.

[chuck colburn]

Finally!

Bravo!

I still cannot believe it!

Nippon Kogaku Japan - Nikon F mount on RED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do have ** attractive (manual) lens set of Nikkor F, Zeiss ZF, Sigma Nikon F mount,
Leica VISO M/Nikon F adapter, Schneider-Kreuznach M42/Nikon f adapter,
Cooke Panchro for M42 adapted/Nikon F adapter and Hasselblad/Zeiss/Nikon F.

++Primes:
14mm = Sigma AF/MF 14mm f/1:3.5 Multi Coated
24mm = Nikkor-N A 24mm f/1:2.8
28mm = Nikkor AI-S 28mm f/1:2.8
35mm = Nikkor AI 35mm f/1:1.4
35mm = PCS Arsat H f/2.8 Shift lens Made in Ukraine
50mm = Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm ZF f/1:1.4
50mm = Nikkor AF 50mm f/1:1.8 D
55mm = Nikkor-R-Micro AI 55mm f/1:3.5
65mm = Leica Elmar 65mm f/1:3.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
75mm = Cooke Speed Panchro 75mm f/2, T/2.3 adapted to M42/Nikon F adapter
80mm = Hasselblad - Carl Zeiss Planar T* 80mm f/1:2.8 to Nikon F adapter
85mm = Nikkor AF 85mm f/1:1.8 D
90mm = Leica Summicron 90mm f/1:2.0 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
105mm = Nikkor AI-S 105mm f/1:2.5
135mm = Nikkor-Q A 135mm f/1:2.8
135mm = Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 135mm f/1:3.5 M42/Nikon F adapter
180mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar Olympia 180mm f/1:2.8 Nikon F
200mm = Leica Telyt 200mm f/1:4.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
500mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Fernobjektiv 500mm f/1:8.0 M42/Nikon F adapter

++Zooms:
17-35mm = Nikkor AF 17-35mm f/1:2.8 D ED
35-80mm = Nikkor AF 35-80mm f/1:4.0-5.6 D
70-210mm = Nikkor AF 70-210mm f/1:4.0-5.6
100-300mm = Soligor Nikon/F 100-300mm f/1:5.0

Sanjin!

You NEED to have your OWN autocollimator... LOL

Chuck

[Dominic Jones]

Counting the wrong set!
Nope - you are! :wink:

The six small screws attach the Nikon mount to the flange - it'll be a flange change to switch to PL, as the rear barrel extension of PL lenses won't fit inside the internal diameter of the Nikon F mount (plus you've only got about 6mm to play with between the two flange depths, which is not really enough for a straight conversion)...

FWIW, I'm with Brook - I think you'll see an extra set of screws under the flange adaptation that house the PL mount, but Chuck's probably the man to ask about that, in all reality (failing the Red crew, of course!).

EDIT: Sorry, I've just realised this has already been covered by about 3 posts - my bad!

[David Battistella]

Mayby not. I doubt if you remove just the Nikon mount itself as the little screws holding it to the black tube would not stand up well to repeated mount and dismount. Besides the black tube looks shorter thern the one on the PL mount. Which would make sense as the Nikon FFD is 46.5mm as opposed to 52mm for the PL. But in the photo it looks like the second to the bottom left screw on the whole front standard is missing. Might just be an optical illusion...unlike the camera itself. LOL

I though it was just the internal ring. Duh me, duh. I plan on PL mount and RED glass to start.

I worry about how simple it will be to interchange these mounts (particularly within the same day) and how quick, practical and accurate repeated changing is.

[Pig]

Good stuff!

Any ETA on this one:
http://hv20.info/yopu/fd.jpg
(Canon FD)

[Michael Schrengohst]

Lock n' Load

[David Battistella]

Good stuff!

Any ETA on this one:
http://hv20.info/yopu/fd.jpg
(Canon FD)

Redwood!!

hahaha.


david

[KETCH ROSSi]

Yes very nice indeed Jarred,

I just e-mail Blair that I would like to buy the Nikon mount for His #19 so that if He and maybe Evin make it to my place we can also see how my ZEISS ZF perform.


Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[chuck colburn]

I though it was just the internal ring. Duh me, duh. I plan on PL mount and RED glass to start.

I worry about how simple it will be to interchange these mounts (particularly within the same day) and how quick, practical and accurate repeated changing is.

Battistella,

I don't forsee the mount changing on the RED camera as a problem area. The amount of surface area inherent in the interchangable round portion of the front end of the camera regardless of mount type is going to make for a solid and repeatable swapout. Just my two cents though...

Chuck

[Jens Jakob Thorsen]

Finally!

Bravo!

I still cannot believe it!

Nippon Kogaku Japan - Nikon F mount on RED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do have ** attractive (manual) lens set of Nikkor F, Zeiss ZF, Sigma Nikon F mount,
Leica VISO M/Nikon F adapter, Schneider-Kreuznach M42/Nikon f adapter,
Cooke Panchro for M42 adapted/Nikon F adapter and Hasselblad/Zeiss/Nikon F.

++Primes:
14mm = Sigma AF/MF 14mm f/1:3.5 Multi Coated
24mm = Nikkor-N A 24mm f/1:2.8
28mm = Nikkor AI-S 28mm f/1:2.8
35mm = Nikkor AI 35mm f/1:1.4
35mm = PCS Arsat H f/2.8 Shift lens Made in Ukraine
50mm = Carl Zeiss Planar T* 50mm ZF f/1:1.4
50mm = Nikkor AF 50mm f/1:1.8 D
55mm = Nikkor-R-Micro AI 55mm f/1:3.5
65mm = Leica Elmar 65mm f/1:3.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
75mm = Cooke Speed Panchro 75mm f/2, T/2.3 adapted to M42/Nikon F adapter
80mm = Hasselblad - Carl Zeiss Planar T* 80mm f/1:2.8 to Nikon F adapter
85mm = Nikkor AF 85mm f/1:1.8 D
90mm = Leica Summicron 90mm f/1:2.0 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
105mm = Nikkor AI-S 105mm f/1:2.5
135mm = Nikkor-Q A 135mm f/1:2.8
135mm = Schneider-Kreuznach Tele-Xenar 135mm f/1:3.5 M42/Nikon F adapter
180mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar Olympia 180mm f/1:2.8 Nikon F
200mm = Leica Telyt 200mm f/1:4.5 Leica-VISO to Nikon F adapter
500mm = Carl Zeiss Jena Fernobjektiv 500mm f/1:8.0 M42/Nikon F adapter

++Zooms:
17-35mm = Nikkor AF 17-35mm f/1:2.8 D ED
35-80mm = Nikkor AF 35-80mm f/1:4.0-5.6 D
70-210mm = Nikkor AF 70-210mm f/1:4.0-5.6
100-300mm = Soligor Nikon/F 100-300mm f/1:5.0

Nice collection.
Good luck grading mixed shots made with all af that glass!
But given the time I guess it could work.

JJ
DP

[regista]

Evin will test the Nikon mount when we have a few moments to breath... hes best suited for the task.

"In Evin We Trust"

:gun:

[PaulClements]

Jarred, how accurate would you say the swapping of mounts over is? That looks fairly solid to me. There's been a lot of discussion about collimation, did you collimate the mount at all? If so what instruments did you use and how much adjustment was required having swapped mounts?

Thanks

Paul

[Antoine Fabi]

Evin will test the Nikon mount when we have a few moments to breath... hes best suited for the task.

...a few moments to breath... ????

what do you mean ? :) :)

took a long time !!!! hee he

looks good !

Congrats !!!

[Kevin Halverson]

Yeah I am a bit interested in the FD mount too. Any ETA on that one?

[Bill Goehring]

Deadwood. Now that's what I'M talkin' about.

Somewhere in South Dakota,
BillG

[Shawn Bannon]

can i be lame and get a c mount on this camera? just curious...

[KETCH ROSSi]

Evin will test the Nikon mount when we have a few moments to breath... hes best suited for the task.

Hey Jarred if Evin can not make it out to me I still like to supply Him with my ZEISS ZF, I'm very interested to see how this lenses perform on RED.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Justin Kirchhoff]

sexy looking

[Jaime Vallés]

Very, very nice. Great photo, too! I'm still undecided between this mount with a standard follow focus and manual prile lenses, or the Birger mount and AFS zooms... I'll wait for Evin's tests. And, Ketch, I'd love to see how those Zeiss ZF lenses perform on a RED.

[jbeale]

can i be lame and get a c mount on this camera? just curious...

Are there any really high-quality C mount lenses? And don't those at most cover 2/3" format? If you need cheap lenses, I'd think the Nikon or Canon SLR lenses would be your first choice.

[David Battistella]

Jarred, how accurate would you say the swapping of mounts over is? That looks fairly solid to me. There's been a lot of discussion about collimation, did you collimate the mount at all? If so what instruments did you use and how much adjustment was required having swapped mounts?

Thanks

Paul

Paul,

This thread should give you your answer.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=79070#post79070

David

[jaadgy akanni]

Very, very nice. Great photo, too! I'm still undecided between this mount with a standard follow focus and manual prile lenses, or the Birger mount and AFS zooms... I'll wait for Evin's tests. And, Ketch, I'd love to see how those Zeiss ZF lenses perform on a RED.

Jaime one word in English and another in Spanish: Both, ambos. I'm getting both 'cause there'll be situations where I'll prefer to work with my manual primes, just like I sometimes have the "artistic" need to leave the computer and write with a pen. I mean, once you have the Birger mount, what's another grand for the RED Nikon mount and the RedRock Follow Focus?

[Joel Kaye]

Jaime one word in English and another in Spanish: Both, ambos. I'm getting both 'cause there'll be situations where I'll prefer with my manual primes.

You can put a Nikon manual prime on a Nikon autofocus mount. I do it with my D-70. Use a manual FF when your manual lens is on board. A lot easier than changing the whole mount.

Am I missing something here?

[jaadgy akanni]

You can put a Nikon manual prime on a Nikon autofocus mount. I do it with my D-70. Use a manual FF when your manual lens is on board. A lot easier than changing the whole mount.

Am I missing something here?

I know you do, the question is what FF gear to use when you're using your manual primes. Some FF's are better suited for the simple design of the RED nikon mount.

[Jarred Land]

Collimation is done at the factory, and flange depth is set with Shims. The PL can be shimmed seperate from the backplate so if the backplate is correct you dont need to adjust for variances when you put on a Nikon mount for example.

The outer collar is just cosmetic that is held on with 4 screws... below the mount is a complete set of screws holding the mount to the body.

[Joel Kaye]

Collimation is done at the factory, and flange depth is set with Shims. The PL can be shimmed seperate from the backplate so if the backplate is correct you dont need to adjust for variances when you put on a Nikon mount for example.

The outer collar is just cosmetic that is held on with 4 screws... below the mount is a complete set of screws holding the mount to the body.

Ok - so to clear this up in my mind... when we're switching between the PL and the Nikon or Birger mounts are we likely to need collimating equipment? Or is everything machined precisely enough that we'll confidently be able to swap on our own?

[Jarred Land]

oh.. and you absolutely can change mounts in the field if you have a clean environment, a work area, and some time.. its about a 15 minute process.

[Jarred Land]

Ok - so to clear this up in my mind... when we're switching between the PL and the Nikon or Birger mounts are we likely to need collimating equipment? Or is everything machined precisely enough that we'll confidently be able to swap on our own?

when you take the PL mount off, if its shimmed you keep those shims with the mount. when you put the PL mount back on, you put it on with the shims just like it was before. Normally, you would not need to re-collimate after a mount change. If you however loose or damage your shims during the process, then you will need to re-collimate. You can use special tools, or in a pinch just use a lens you know is calibrated correctly and measure it out.

[Shawn Nelson]

oh.. and you absolutely can change mounts in the field if you have a clean environment, a work area, and some time.. its about a 15 minute process.

But Jarred, as I understood it, Ted explained to me last Friday that if I switched to another mount, or tried to go back to the PL, I'd have to re-collimate: by shooting a test pattern and viewing a nice 1080p signal and grinding/shimming until it was good again.

That doesn't sound like a field process at all. I'm knee deep in personal FUD over changing mounts.

[Jarred Land]

If your nervous about it Shawn.. you can always send your camera in and we will change the mount for you.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks Jarred, I appreciate it. But if I got a second mount (Nikon, Birger, etc.) I would want to be able to do it myself. I am exhorbantly confident in all things software but hardware/mechanical stuff gets me nervous. Perhaps once someone else gets a second mount and can freely go between the default PL and another, that person (perhaps you Jarred) could post about the experience and how to do it easily.

[Joel Kaye]

If your nervous about it Shawn.. you can always send your camera in and we will change the mount for you.

Hmm... it sounds to me like the first time you put a new mount on it needs to be shimmed/ground but every subsequent change will work easily. So you guys could setup both the Nikon and the PL mount there at the factory and send the proper shims for each along and we'd be good to go right?

The birger would be a little tougher since it's coming from elsewhere.

[Jarred Land]

you are completely right Joel.. once its done (either at the factory or after you buy a mount to install yourself) then you normally can just switch between the two with confidence.

[Shawn Nelson]

I like hearing you say that Jarred! But this is weird, because I said pretty much exactly that to the Red employee I was talking to with Ted (I forget his name, he is the guy who was pictured in the screen cap you posted that used the Nikon as the glass). I said "But going back should be easy right? Because this mount is already collimated?" His response: "Nope, you have to re-collimate since the act of unmounting and remounting is enough to throw it out of whack"

[T. Glen Phelps]

Hey Jarred,

If I install the Birger mount, and have collimate properly, will I then be able to go back to the original PL mount without having to re-collimate it?

[Jarred Land]

I like hearing you say that Jarred! But this is weird, because I said pretty much exactly that to the Red employee I was talking to with Ted (I forget his name, he is the guy who was pictured in the screen cap you posted that used the Nikon as the glass). I said "But going back should be easy right? Because this mount is already collimated?" His response: "Nope, you have to re-collimate since the act of unmounting and remounting is enough to throw it out of whack"

its ok.. Ted most likely meant that its possible to screw it up.. which it is, if you drop a brass shim and step on it or you loose a shim.. you gotta start from square one. But.. if your careful, you shouldnt have a problem. we have been doing it for 6 months at Red.

[Joel Kaye]

its ok.. Ted most likely meant that its possible to screw it up.. which it is, if you drop a brass shim and step on it or you loose a shim.. you gotta start from square one.

Sounds like shims are an item we should purchase to have backups. Are they all the same thickness?

[Jarred Land]

backup shims are good, and there are various thicknesses. Same with screws.. its always good to have a few extra screws in your kit as well.

[Kyle Spicer]

backup shims are good, and there are various thicknesses. Same with screws.. its always good to have a few extra screws in your kit as well.

Can these be items that we can purchase from RED, or will we need to get them from somewhere else?

[Charles Adams]

I know we will be using Nikon lenses exclusively on our Red and will move up to PL only when we can finally afford that kind of glass.

So my question is can we order the Red with the Nikon mount already installed at factory so we don't have to worry about collimation and setup?

[Shawn Nelson]

backup shims are good, and there are various thicknesses. Same with screws.. its always good to have a few extra screws in your kit as well.

Could you talk to Jim about you guys selling a basic "Collimation Kit" that would include some shims and screw of various lengths and simple instructions in how to collimate?

[Evin Grant]

I can't wait.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sanjin!

You NEED to have your OWN autocollimator... LOL

Chuck

Thanks Chuck.

I need a help.

Where I can get this "autocollimator"???!!!

[David Battistella]

you are completely right Joel.. once its done (either at the factory or after you buy a mount to install yourself) then you normally can just switch between the two with confidence.

Jarred,

I still can't tell if this is a relatively simple process (which ou obviously have had decent amounts of practice) or something that can be done quickly and easily in the field on any given shoot day?

How many screws and parts are involved in a changeover from PL to NIKON?
(this is relevant because it helps us understand the complexity and the tools needed)

Should it be done in a controlled environment?
(relevant because it would be nice to access how easily this could be done in the field)

If you could answer that would be great!

Thanks,

David

[Jaime Vallés]

I know we will be using Nikon lenses exclusively on our Red and will move up to PL only when we can finally afford that kind of glass.

So my question is can we order the Red with the Nikon mount already installed at factory so we don't have to worry about collimation and setup?
This was going to be my question as well. I'd love to receive my RED from the factory with the Nikon mount already installed, and the PL mount on the side. Is this possible?

[Martin Drew]

its ok.. Ted most likely meant that its possible to screw it up.. which it is, if you drop a brass shim and step on it or you loose a shim.. you gotta start from square one. But.. if your careful, you shouldnt have a problem. we have been doing it for 6 months at Red.

This is just the kind of subject where a little "how to" video would work well. If for no more than to give people confidence.

Maybe a task one of the early owners could undertake if they felt up to it.

M

[Joel Kaye]

Could you talk to Jim about you guys selling a basic "Collimation Kit" that would include some shims and screw of various lengths and simple instructions in how to collimate?

Good idea - with instructional video. I can't imagine Jim wouldn't want us all to have our babies performing like champs at all times.

[FELIPE.AGUILAR]

It Would Be Amazing To See Some Footage/stills Taken With The Nikkor Lenses. The Excitement Just Keeps Growing...
Cheers

[Jon McCoy]

I was under the impression the mount was literally a passive adaptor, with all the issues of screwed up focal length (courtesy of P/L's deeper flange)... But seeing that you literally change the length of the 'chamber' (with the right adaptor attached) - it's made my day.

So, my first question is how easy it is to manufacturer a custom adaptor?

Any chance we can buy a stock length 'chamber', with a generic hole milled in the center, allowing a machine shop to lathe the chamber to the right length, and open the hole up to the right diameter to fit a mounting plate?! I'm looking to fit Olympus OM lenses, and having a proper adaptor would be nice. Failing that, I suppose the Canon adaptor coupled with an OM adaptor will have to do.

[Michael Schrengohst]

It Would Be Amazing To See Some Footage/stills Taken With The Nikkor Lenses. The Excitement Just Keeps Growing...
Cheers

Yes, and then compare those clips with clips shot by an HVX200
and an adapter. C&G

[Shawn Bannon]

Are there any really high-quality C mount lenses? And don't those at most cover 2/3" format? If you need cheap lenses, I'd think the Nikon or Canon SLR lenses would be your first choice.

yes this is true... sorry for the really bad unjoke...

though it did get me thinking about making a new universal type mount for the red... at least for my B camera..

where you could quickly and reliably switch from a PL mount to Canon to Nikon...

kind of like how you can attach pretty much put any lens mount into a c-mount

i have lots of Pl, Canon and Nikon glass so it would be of great advantage...

[Lauri Kettunen]

.. you can always send your camera in and we will change the mount for you.

Jarred, do you mean that when I get my Red One in February, you can mount the Birger Canon EF-mount already there before shipping the camera? Sounds ... wonderful.

[Emanuel A.]

Good question. Birger's (Canon lens mount) too? Do you handle the task?

[grandpa it burns]

Very Nice, now I just need to find a way to mount it to my wheelchair.

[Jarred Land]

If you buy the Nikon mount at the time of camera purchase, for a nominal fee we can mount the Nikon mouny for you, make sure the backfocus is set and ship along the PL mount in the box. (you must purchase the PL mount, there is no option to buy the camera without it)

We unfortunately cannot mount 3rd party adapters here... but im sure people like Birger will be able to help you out.

[Jaime Vallés]

If you buy the Nikon mount at the time of camera purchase, for a nominal fee we can mount the Nikon mouny for you, make sure the backfocus is set and ship along the PL mount in the box. (you must purchase the PL mount, there is no option to buy the camera without it)
Excellent news! Thanks for the reply. Another question: If I take advantage of this offer, will the PL mount that ships on the side have the necessary shims and adjusting pieces included?

[Jarred Land]

yes.. the pl mount would of already been shimmed and calibrated, you would get the mount plus whatever shims were needed.

[grandpa it burns]

Jarred, Do you think Red will be offerring any options or rail accesories that would allow me to mount my Red camera to my Wheelchair? I have already purchased a basic production pack. What else would I need. Sorry...I'm going a little off topic here, but give me a break, I'm old.

[Jaime Vallés]

yes.. the pl mount would of already been shimmed and calibrated, you would get the mount plus whatever shims were needed.
Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks, Jarred!

[chuck colburn]

Thanks Chuck.

I need a help.

Where I can get this "autocollimator"???!!!

Here.


http://www.chamblesscineequip.com/catalog/Richter%20102.htm

[Jarred Land]

Jarred, Do you think Red will be offerring any options or rail accesories that would allow me to mount my Red camera to my Wheelchair? I have already purchased a basic production pack. What else would I need. Sorry...I'm going a little off topic here, but give me a break, I'm old.

all of our accessories are meant to bolt to 19mm diameter rods.. so if there is any 19mm pipe on your chair, they should bolt right on. If you have any ideas, Im sure Matt would love to hear them.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Here.


http://www.chamblesscineequip.com/catalog/Richter%20102.htm


Thanks Chuck.

[grandpa it burns]

Jarred...Thank you for being so patient with me. This photo is a few years old, but this is my Wheelchair. Do you think this is 19mm?

[Greg Syverson]

Glad I kept my Nikon 500mm F4 Telephoto and my 15mm, 20mm, 24, 35, 50, 80-200 zoom and macro lenses.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/2261_1189131586.jpg

[chuck colburn]

My my that's a big one.

They look so cute and fussy, don't you just want to pull those little ears?

[Brook Willard]

Man, when the Canon mount rolls along... I want to see Jim's 1200mm hooked up to the thing.

[Shawn Nelson]

Grandpa, your act isn't funny, why are you doing it on a board like this?

[grandpa it burns]

Grandpa, your act isn't funny, why are you doing it on a board like this?

Once you've lived for half the time I have and seen half the things I have, You will learn not to gamble with statements like that.

[Finner]

I put $10 on burnt grandpa being able to kick Shawns ass in the octagonal ring.

Any takers?

[Shawn Nelson]

Once you've lived for half the time I have and seen half the things I have, You will learn not to gamble with statements like that.

If you're a WW1 vet then I fought in the Civil War. Course things are much better between the states nowadays...

[Andrew Benz]

I put $10 on burnt grandpa being able to kick Shawns as in the octagonal ring.

Any takers?

I will take it...

Hey Shawn... go for granpa's ileostomy... it's like the jugular for really old people... just futher south.:blink:

[Finner]

I'll take that action Andrew.

Grandpa here's a tip first throw Shawn off by spitting your teeth in his face when he gets close then hose him down with your colostomy bag and while he is grossing out and sqealing like a little girl beat him to death with your cane.

[Unwounded]

The cane would be good just to knock him down, but I think Grandpa should finish him off with his metal canister of compressed oxygen.......way more blunt force trauma with that.

[Finner]

I like the oxygen Idea but how about instead the finishing move grandpa uses is he blasts the oxygen on full at Shawn as he flicks a short fat cigar at him and as Shawn is melting he pulls out the cheesy action line "Tell grandpa it burns kid!"

[Andrew Benz]

I'll take that action Andrew.

Grandpa here's a tip first throw Shawn off by spitting your teeth in his face when he gets close then hose him down with your colostomy bag and while he is grossing out and sqealing like a little girl beat him to death with your cane.

Damn Finner... I am trumped again, though I should have know... you have always been known for your rapier wit.

Would you consider your payment in guinness?

[Finner]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew Benz]

Done. Post LART.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

What just happened? Do I need to moderate this? I'm confused...

[Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock]

Finner´s been hired for splatter movies again......

[Lauri Kettunen]

We unfortunately cannot mount 3rd party adapters here... but im sure people like Birger will be able to help you out.

Jarred, thinking pragmatically, it's quite difficult to arrange from Europe the mounting of the Birger adapter with both companies RED and Birger. If we in EU will try to arrange the shipping first from RED to Birger and then to EU, the odds are that, for instance, the camera coming to Finland may end up to Philippines. Such things has and do happen all the time in reality.

So, is it possible that Red and Birger made mutually some agreement. For example, we paid to Birger for mounting the adapter. In practice, Red and Birger has an agreement that somebody at RED actually installs the adapter, and then mounting and shipping are all done at one location. Would this be a rasonable solution for a pragmatic issue?

[Seung Han]

So, am I to understand we cannot mount the RED with the Birger by ourselves...?...

I am in Seoul, Korea and do not want my gear to end up in Finland! :ranting2:

Where do I get this COLLIMETER and more importantly what is it?:whistling:

[Brook Willard]

You *should* be able to put the mount on yourself. Some people just want to have a tech do it to make sure that they haven't installed the mount improperly.

A collimator - in this respect - is a device used to measure proper flange focal distance. When a new mount is assembled, it must be shimmed to the proper flange focal distance [to ensure that the mount is both square to the sensor plane and the proper distance from the sensor plane].

[Kevin Halverson]

Hey Brook, I noticed that in the last build of the RED store page, the FD mount seems to have gone missing.

Any idea if this is an over site or just a case of not having the image to populate the page?

[Seung Han]

You *should* be able to put the mount on yourself. Some people just want to have a tech do it to make sure that they haven't installed the mount improperly.

A collimator - in this respect - is a device used to measure proper flange focal distance. When a new mount is assembled, it must be shimmed to the proper flange focal distance [to ensure that the mount is both square to the sensor plane and the proper distance from the sensor plane].

That's *great news* because I don't think I ever want to actually own a collimator, or do I?

[grandpa it burns]

What just happened? Do I need to moderate this? I'm confused...

What just happen? I go to bed then wake up to see that my ernest interest in this forum has been turned into a joke. What kind forum are you running here?

[grandpa it burns]

If you're a WW1 vet then I fought in the Civil War. Course things are much better between the states nowadays...

...And I never said I was a WW1 vet. However, as a small child I did have the misfortune to be living in Asiago, Italy in the Year 1916. My self and my family, paid a heavy price. If you do your homework you will realize that was not the best place to be.

[Finner]

What joke?

I am backing you. I see big potential in your experience and cunning whits overcomming youth.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

What just happen? I go to bed then wake up to see that my ernest interest in this forum has been turned into a joke. What kind forum are you running here?

Whatever you say... Mr. serial killer dude.

[Finner]

Whatever you say... Mr. serial killer dude.

Grandpa it Burns could make Freddie Krugger look like a bunny rabbit if the script and marketing for the movie is done right.

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

Can I ask what motivates posts like those aimed at grandpa it burns? It's fine to have a private opinion about the credibility of his bio, but why must a public gauntlet on the issue be thrown down? Is it supposed to prove the superior savvy and sophistication of those doing the throwing, the ability to "call BS"?

I could see if the guy were posting insulting or derogatory stuff about other posters or was attempting to profit from or leverage his claims of age and disfigurement. But for someone to simply call him a fraud and a liar with no provocation or real proof is exceedingly rude and arrogant (quite apart from whether he is in fact being truthful).

[David Battistella]

You *should* be able to put the mount on yourself. Some people just want to have a tech do it to make sure that they haven't installed the mount improperly.

A collimator - in this respect - is a device used to measure proper flange focal distance. When a new mount is assembled, it must be shimmed to the proper flange focal distance [to ensure that the mount is both square to the sensor plane and the proper distance from the sensor plane].

Brook,

Have you personally done any mount changes? Is it time consuming?

David

[Brandon Rice]

Jarred...Thank you for being so patient with me. This photo is a few years old, but this is my Wheelchair. Do you think this is 19mm?

LOL... is that really a picture of you??:w00t:

[Michael Morlan]

Okay, this thread just became surreal.

[regista]

Mom! Mom! Granny's eyes are upside down!

[Jon McCoy]

If ever there's a good example of thread hijacking, this thread take pride of place. I'm sure there's space in IRC-land where this can be taken...

Can we get back to the Nikon mount and pretty 4K cameras?

[Desert Rune]

I agree Adthrawn, we need a moderator in here to clean up this thread and get it back on track... oh wait... :clown2:


Whatever you say... Mr. serial killer dude.

[Jarred Land]

mount changes take about 15 minutes... if everything lines up. If you need to shim, you need to go through the process 2 or 3 times.

And please be courteous to Grandpa. He was one of the first people in our tent last year at NAB and has been a fierce supporter every since.

[grandpa it burns]

mount changes take about 15 minutes... if everything lines up. If you need to shim, you need to go through the process 2 or 3 times.

And please be courteous to Grandpa. He was one of the first people in our tent last year at NAB and has been a fierce supporter every since.

Thank you Jarred for your support. When we spoke at the Red booth it felt so wonderful to be so quickly embraced by the red team without judgement. That is more then I can say for the way that most of the world treats me. Thank you to the whole Red team for all of your wonderful work. Your camera will make my life easier.

[grandpa it burns]

I will be in the LA area around the 25th of September. I will drop by the Red office to discuss my wheelchair mount idea. I talked with an engineer today that thinks he can help me prototype something. I will keep everyone abreast of the situation.

[David Battistella]

mount changes take about 15 minutes... if everything lines up. If you need to shim, you need to go through the process 2 or 3 times.


Thanks Jarred. I appreciate the answer. It's good to know that the change over can happen quickly and relatively painlessly. I think I'd be a bit nervous about it at first, but it's good to know that once it is set at the factory, it's not to hard to swap them out from there.




And please be courteous to Grandpa. He was one of the first people in our tent last year at NAB and has been a fierce supporter every since.

Yes. We need to respect out elders....hmmm.. I am curious about who's getting to have all the fun....:pinch:

David

[Paul Hazlett]

What just happen? I go to bed then wake up to see that my ernest interest in this forum has been turned into a joke. What kind forum are you running here?

all seriousness aside, with a name like Grandpa it burns?

Now i could see if it was something like The jolly grandpa or the flaming Grandpa or pink nighty grandpa.

Then I could take you seriously.

[Michael Schrengohst]

It's probably someone like Kevin Smith or?
you know a sick man with a sick mind.

[grandpa it burns]

all seriousness aside, with a name like Grandpa it burns?

Now i could see if it was something like The jolly grandpa or the flaming Grandpa or pink nighty grandpa.

Then I could take you seriously.

In picking my name I thought a long time about it, and eventually chose something I thought would speak to the younger generations out there...as if I am still "Burning" inside with modivation to create beautiful imagery. I guess people are misunderstanding the meaning. Am I missing something here?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

It's probably someone like Kevin Smith or?
you know a sick man with a sick mind.

...Could even be someone who designs bad-ass camera systems. :whistling:

[Harmonica]

In picking my name I thought a long time about it, and eventually chose something I thought would speak to the younger generations out there...as if I am still "Burning" inside with modivation to create beautiful imagery. I guess people are misunderstanding the meaning. Am I missing something here?

You seem vaguely familiar... Are you Stewart's grandpa?

[Joel Kaye]

I am still "Burning" inside with modivation to create beautiful imagery. I guess people are misunderstanding the meaning. Am I missing something here?

While I think some of the posts around here have been incredibly uncalled for especially after Jarred verified you were at NAB... you're probably right about the misunderstanding.

When you combine Grandpa it Burns with the photo and the repeated posts about your age and wheelchair I can sorta see how some people may have thought you were pulling their leg.

I kinda think you'd be better off not posting your picture like most of us don't, not using your age as an excuse to get extra attention, not repeating the same question like the wheelchair dolly thing over and over...

Just talk about RED stuff. I'm sure you'll find all kinds of intellectual stimulation here when you focus the conversation on images and techniques related to RED.

Frankly a moderator should just delete half this thread IMHO. Including this post. :-)

[wshultz]

...And I never said I was a WW1 vet. However, as a small child I did have the misfortune to be living in Asiago, Italy in the Year 1916. My self and my family, paid a heavy price. If you do your homework you will realize that was not the best place to be.

I'm still trying to figure who's pulling who's leg? If you were a "small child" say... 3 years old in 1916, you'll be around 94-95? And still cruising NAB? Hmm... :blink:

[Joel Kaye]

I'm still trying to figure who's pulling who's leg? If you were a "small child" say... 3 years old in 1916, you'll be around 94-95? And still cruising NAB? Hmm... :blink:

In a wheelchair. His profile says he's 98. That works.

http://www.worldwar1.com/itafront/asiago1916.htm

Asiago works.

I'm betting on Granpa. Who goes to the trouble of pulling a prank like this on a board like this? And then get Jarred to verify it. (That would be a pretty good prank though... note to self...)

[Shawn Nelson]

...Could even be someone who designs bad-ass camera systems. :whistling:

Oh shit, was I picking a fight with Jim??

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Oh shit, was I picking a fight with Jim??

Nope. :ph34r:

[Jarred Land]

grandpa has a heart of a 30 year old... , he is being a bit humble, he is a celebrity in the film world, and was nominated for an academy award way back in 1937.. when my parents parents were just getting around to doing stuff.

[Keith Alan Morris]

okay, now who is pulling who's leg?

[david farland]

I guess people are misunderstanding the meaning. Am I missing something here?

Pretty much....
Simply put, we didn't expect a 98yo with your avatar to be asking 19mm rod questions on a cutting edge bit of kit. More fool us!

Jarred....world's full of surprises, ain't it?

As for you name, Grandpa's not Jarreds...it's a variation on a porn spam theme and in this world of internet anonymity and anybody being anybody, well you cant be too careful as we moved from small town/village knowing everyone to conversing in a digital village holding millions of people we'll never meet. I'm telling you some truths and answering your questions so I hope that is respect enough. There we go...spelt out....let's move on!

Now forgetting the opening topic altogether and depending on the POV you (Grandpa) wish to capture have you thought about an over the shoulder EasyRig.

Cheers,

[Shawn Nelson]

This thread is way too weird. Grandpa clearly isn't who he plainly claims to be, and yet Jeff and Jarred are being really weird about who he is. Whatever. Someone's having fun with this. I don't find joking about being in a wheelchair "funny". One of my buddies who helped me on my college films got hit by a drunk driver and is now a quadriplegic, so I guess I flare a bit too much if I think someone is fishing for false sympathy about wheelchairs. Anywho, I'll just file this one under the "Someone has a secret and thinks very highly of it, whatever" file...

[Lauri Kettunen]

This thread is way too weird.

Feel pretty much the same as Shawn, especially as have also witnessed such misery.

In fact, RedUserNet is a kind of official the only up-to-date channel of information for RED, and a lot of important news posted by Jim and the others in the Red team do not appear elsewhere. In whose benefit is this kind of surrealism? Of course, joking and fun is needed, but what about if Jarred opened another forum for not-so-serious-discussions.

Chris Hurd at DvInfo has shown how informative a well organized internet community can be. And how did he state the main principle: "Real names, real information". Wish this community adopted the same principle.

[Brandon Rice]

Actually... I think mounting a camera (specifically a RED 1) to a wheelchair is a brilliant idea!

[Andrew Benz]

I believe Finner and I were using humor in the absurd in order to deflect the very thing that pissed Shawn off... Also, you might be suprised who the guy is... I do. And I have a pretty good feeling as too why he is doing it.

But really, how many REDS are out in the wild... how much hardcore info is available from the 3000 users here? I feel the esprits de corps is beginning to wane for many and there is a new mix coming on board (which is great... but hardcore dp's w/ no sense of humour are about as much fun as burnt toast and feel the need deflate the enthusiastic-- but the passionate ones who have given their knowledge freely are worth their weight in gold).

Also, I have noticed from many that members who are being polite and nice must be exhibiting some form of weakness. Too me, one of the greatest traits a filmmaker (camera op) can have is a strong sense of empathy for his fellow human, their background and experiences--- how the hell else can you even begin to tell a story of any genre or media if you do not posses this trait and you cannot build trust with your subject(s).


ps-- Hi brandon-- try the markertek catalog... but I have used the old cinesaddle and operator in a wheelchair deal for hospital spots etc. w/ great success.

[Brook Willard]

This thread is no longer about the Nikon mount. I have no freaking clue what's going on... but this seems like a good decision for now.