Hd For Indies

[Álex Montoya]

W-O-W
http://www.hdforindies.com/
http://www.hdforindies.com/uploaded_images/B016_C001_070902_001_OCN-797507.jpg

[Thom Steinhoff]

Now that I have them, bump and WOW!

[Casey Green]

Thought I'd have some fun with color correction. By no means are these pro grading... just havin' fun. ;) But so much data to work with! Awesome.

(Original is first - but converted to 1024 jpg)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064519.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064615.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064643.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064690.jpg

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Driving off into the sunset just seemed so much more fitting. Quick 5 minute grade:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/SunsetDrag.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/SunsetDrag-cc.jpg

All levels, no CG grads or anything else. That's actual RED chroma latitude. Actually.. that's as far as RED goes on its own--any more and it starts to band and posterize in the sky. Of course the sky was *very* flat. A little bit of crispness in the blue channel from the compression too.

[Álex Montoya]

Nice one, thatone

[Andrew Benz]

Casey, very nice "three faces of eve". If ever a camera could have dissociative identity disorder... I appreciate your sense of aesthetics and the range of contrast you have been able to modestly demonstrate.

[Álex Montoya]

Mine
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1434_1189066115.jpg

[Alexander Nikishin]

That last one's awesome Concrete.

[Álex Montoya]

Thanks a lot, Alex.

After watching those pics, I am all sold to the camera. My last concern about the highlights has disappeared, and now I know that I can get the look I want from it.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Agreed, the shots looks BEAUTIFUL. Lots of range to play with, great resolution, just awesome.

Can't wait till I get mine!

[jaadgy akanni]

That last one looks like celluloid. Brilliant.

[Michele Gavazzeni]

ok now that's red! i was quite disappointed with the footage shared before now it's all another story
Super nice

[Simon Blackledge]

Nice Concrete!..

few takes.. still playing.

http://idisk.mac.com/simonblackledge/Public/RED/B016_C006_070902_001_OCN_out1.jpg

http://idisk.mac.com/simonblackledge/Public/RED/B016_C001_070902_001_OCN_out1.jpg

[Karl H]

very grindhouse Flameop :-)

[Álex Montoya]

Lol... First one is very nice, Flame. Shows that the filmlike quality come more from defects that otherwise.

[Simon Blackledge]

Grindhouse? :-/

Cheers Concrete...

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[Mark L. Pederson]

Thanks a lot, Alex.

After watching those pics, I am all sold to the camera. My last concern about the highlights has disappeared, and now I know that I can get the look I want from it.

Concrete - you just made my morning. I was actually dreading waking up and looking at the boards because I just assumed people would be ripping us a new one. It bums me out that some REDUSERS are so aggresive ... "GIVE ME FOOTAGE! GIVE ME FOOTAGE!" - we are working hard over here (AND runnning a business with a VERY SMALL STAFF) and we are just getting started. There is just so much to TRY and TEST - it's CRAZY!!!

Anyway, again, thanks for the post - LOVE your last grade -

MUCH more to come ....

Cheers -

[Karl H]

No need to worry offhollywood, some of these stills you have posted are the best shots i've seen since milkgirls.

I just did a quick comparision to some cinealta images, and you're right 'toast' doesnt even come close. the difference between this and cinealta is like night and day.

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

What Cinealta images?
Define Cinealta f900, f950, XD CAM

[Mark L. Pederson]

No need to worry offhollywood, some of these stills you have posted are the best shots i've seen since milkgirls.

I just did a quick comparision to some cinealta images, and you're right 'toast' doesnt even come close. the difference between this and cinealta is like night and day.

TOTALLY TOAST!!!

after reading some posts this morning I can't wait to show you guys this thing edited and graded in MOTION.

It's coming ... like I said ... we are working hard. As long as what we post helps you guys or at least is appreciated, we'll keep it coming ...

cinealta = TOAST
varicam = TOAST
HVX200 = BURNT ENGLSH MUFFIN

[Karl H]

I compared them to f900, i honestly thought i was looking at something from a DVX in comparison.

[Mark L. Pederson]

I compared them to f900, i honestly thought i was looking at something from a DVX in comparison.

EXACTLY what we thought!!!

[Kjetil Haugen]

"the difference between this and cinealta is like night and day."

Like night and day, huh... what about day for night?

[Mark L. Pederson]

"the difference between this and cinealta is like night and day."

Like night and day, huh... what about day for night?

LOL!!!!

Just awesome!!

THANKS KJETIL!!

[Simon Blackledge]

Great images to play with OffH .. really appreciated.. take ya time with the moving stuff:)

Si

[Álex Montoya]

What about the HPX500. Toast or not?
http://clients.26inchaudio.com/HPX/HPX500.jpg

[Mark L. Pederson]

Fed Ex me the bike and I'll shoot a test for 'ya!!

(nice shot!!)

[Jaime Vallés]

cinealta = TOAST
varicam = TOAST
HVX200 = BURNT ENGLSH MUFFIN
That just made me laugh really loud here!!! Awesome.

And, Kjetil, great day-for-night shot! The possibilities are endless. :matrix:

[Álex Montoya]

Again, so that everybody keeps perspective here.

That's a 1080p frame of the Bourne Ultimatum trailer. Click two times to get the whole resolution version.
http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thebourneultimatumteasegf2.jpg

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Lol... First one is very nice, Flame. Shows that the filmlike quality come more from defects that otherwise.

Personally I think most "filmic" grades tend to be more a caricature of film than an actual representation.

It's like double interlacing film and then crushing the highlights. It 'looks like video' but really it's just caricaturing it.

[Casey Green]

Thought I'd have some fun with color correction. By no means are these pro grading... just havin' fun. ;) But so much data to work with! Awesome.

(Original is first - but converted to 1024 jpg)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064519.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064615.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064643.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/971_1189064690.jpg


Casey, very nice "three faces of eve". If ever a camera could have dissociative identity disorder... I appreciate your sense of aesthetics and the range of contrast you have been able to modestly demonstrate.

Thanks Andrew, it was fun to try different moods. I love what others have done on this thread as well. Keep it up guys - very cool!

[Álex Montoya]

Well, adding grain in order to make it more filmic ain't caricaturing, ain't it? It is an inherent characteristic of film.

What I try to say, as Graeme stated before, is that well shot RED footage only gives away its origin because it lacks certain defects characteristic of the photochemical image.

I recently transfered a HDV short film and the 35mm copy was certainly more film-like than the clean HDV digital master. And why was that? Mainly because two charcateristics were added: grain in the transfer and the flickering in the projection.

[Álex Montoya]

That wasn't very clear. Let me reformulate it.

I mean that almost every good characteristic of film is present in those pics and that if someone didn't find them film-like was just because some of its defects were missing.

Hence the grainy CC I did.

[Casey Green]

"the difference between this and cinealta is like night and day."

Like night and day, huh... what about day for night?

Very nice, Kjetil! (image below) Do you have a higher quality jpeg of this?

"Night and Day... you are the One!" :)

[David Battistella]

Here is another one.

http://www.f8films.com/client/RED/B016_C005_070902_001_OCN.jpg

[David Battistella]

Just one more. Can't believe what you can pull out of the tiff's.
http://www.f8films.com/client/RED/B016_C006_070902_001_OCN.jpg

[Sanjin Jukic]

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/car_top.jpg
Shake-GenArts-Sapphire-S_FilmEffect-FilmPrint-Kodak_2383

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/car_smoke.jpg
Shake-GenArts-Sapphire-S_FilmEffect-FilmPrint-Kodak_2383

[Gavin Greenwalt]

I made a 'discovery' while doing a sky replacement on the magnum:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/RED_Compression_tile.jpg

Compression tiles. Yay!

[Sanjin Jukic]

Who cares, add appropriate film grain etc...

[Kjetil Haugen]

Very nice, Kjetil! (image below) Do you have a higher quality jpeg of this?

"Night and Day... you are the One!" :)

Sorry, I only worked with a small sized jpg posted directly on this forum.

Another version: Bright and early...

[Dave Cooper]

http://www.cleanandquiet.com/upload/store/graded.JPG

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Had some time to blow during a render to do a quick slapcomp:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/Car_Grade.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/car_grade_CC.jpg

[David Battistella]

I made a 'discovery' while doing a sky replacement on the magnum:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/RED_Compression_tile.jpg

Compression tiles. Yay!

If you look closely at the hood of the car in the close up I did you might see a what looks like a dead pixel.

David

[Jaime Vallés]

If you look closely at the hood of the car in the close up I did you might see a what looks like a dead pixel.

David
Where?

[Steve Sherrick]

I've been hesitant to point some things out about the uncompressed TIFFs but since the can of worms has been opened...

I've seen dead spots (clipped areas perhaps) and noticeable compression. Perhpas in motion, these don't seems as noticeable. I can't argue with the range I've been able to play around with when doing some grades, but looking very carefully at the images, I've seen some things I have questions about.

I'm actually hoping that I'm somehow not looking at the absolute RAW file somehow, maybe there was some artifacting introduced by TIFF?

I was working with the images in Photoshop for what it's worth.

Steve

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Tifs don't introduce artifacts.

[Steve Sherrick]

Uncompressed TIFFs don't as far as I know, which is what these were so yeah, i would tend to agree. But I am clearly seeing compression and white blocks in the images.

Just trying to understand what I am seeing. I'll put together some pics to point out what I'm referring to.

Steve

[David Battistella]

Where?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4330&page=4

it's about 45degrees northeast of the inside headlamp on the hood. I can't tell if it's a pixel or just a spec of dirt on the hood.

David

[I Bloom]

I made a 'discovery' while doing a sky replacement on the magnum:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/im_thatoneguy/RED_Compression_tile.jpg

Compression tiles. Yay!

That's interesting oneguy. I guess that's an example of the compression algorithm choosing to drop higher frequency data in that one area presumably because of that section of the car and sky having really low detail. It doesn't seem incredibly troubling that it exists that way, but it might have consequences especially when heavily grading moving images. It makes me think that the RAW port might have some real applications when you know the image has to be pushed hard in post.

I'm away from my workstation so I have some questions:

1. How large is each compression tile?
2. Once you have some actual Redcode footage: How far can we push the image in grading before we see some noticable dancing tiles?

By the way, Concrete and Offhollywood. These images look really awesome. It's amazing to think that most of what we've been talking about for the past year has all been "in theory". I like talking about the real thing much better.
Mark great call shooting all white cars.

IBloom

[Ryan Sims]

Complaining about compression and then posting a JPEG showing the problem area may not be the best solution. Here's a PNG at 100% zoom of the same area pulled from the original 48MB TIFF. The PNG is 1/3 the file size of the this same pictures' TIFF. Does a PNG introduce any new artifacts?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/697_1189372756.png

When looking at the raw file at 100% zoom with no adjustments, you can't see any of these compression artifacts. You have to push it very hard to see any tiling. Graeme has pixies working on it, but let's face it, it is not magic. Real compression has to take place somewhere. Considering the 48MB size of a single 4K TIFF frame, the REDCODE RAW data takes up only something close to 1MB for that same single frame. I just hope we will be able to post single frames in the REDCODE RAW format in the future and everyone be able to view them with a free version of REDCINE.

Here's a link to the TIFF: http://www.mediafire.com/?2xbdneo23nz

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Well it was causing hiccups in my key because the noise profile changes very dramatically on the tile line. (the reason I went looking.)

I can't jump to conclusions but I'm inclined to believe that A) Greenscreens will be the preferable chroma key color and B) Hopefully we'll see a 40MBs 24fps REDCode option when the recording medium can handle it for VFX.

[MikeCurtis]

These shots were non-optimal - we got waaaaaay better than that. As the week progressed, lots of huddles and sharing of best practices. By the cosmetics shoot, stuff was just STUNNING.

-mike

[Evan Owen]

Well it was causing hiccups in my key because the noise profile changes very dramatically on the tile line. (the reason I went looking.)

I can't jump to conclusions but I'm inclined to believe that A) Greenscreens will be the preferable chroma key color and B) Hopefully we'll see a 40MBs 24fps REDCode option when the recording medium can handle it for VFX.

I found more of this 'phenomenon' in the footage Manny just posted:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=83130&postcount=9

[Martin Jäger]

http://footage.fi/redusers/car_graded.jpg

[Khan Bui]

What software do you guys use for color grading?

[Jannard]

Our compression program continues to evolve. While solving some issues we have introduced some artifacts under certain conditions, but fear not... Graeme has some magic in the works.

Jim

[Steve Sherrick]

Can we deem Graeme The Wizard? I still don't completely understand how he's cramming all that data into that small size to begin with. I guess I do on a basic level, but I don't know the various ingredients in his magic dust.

Look forward to the evolution Jim. I know you want it to be as good as we do. Graeme and the rest of the design team will surely be hearing from the Academy at some point, just takes time.

Steve

[MikeCurtis]

I just started a new thread by default, but in case you haven't seen it, there's another thread with another 20 or so uncompressed TIFFs you can download.

-mike

[Martin Jäger]

where?