LnAcc.mov and Stairs.mov

[Steve Freebairn]

Evin and Brook uploaded two new files.

www.freehillproductions.com/RED/

LnAcc.mov and Stairs.mov

[Evan Owen]

Evin and Brook uploaded two new files.

www.freehillproductions.com/RED/

LnAcc.mov and Stairs.mov

Oh man.... LnAcc.mov is just beautiful. This really shows how amazing even naturally lit shots can be. It really does remind me of film.

[Evin Grant]

Thanks, I was trying for that. That clip was converted flat and brought into FCS2 as a Pro Res HQ final out put was CCd a bit using the Colorista Plug in.

[David Battistella]

Evin and Brook uploaded two new files.

www.freehillproductions.com/RED/

LnAcc.mov and Stairs.mov

Heads up!

I downloaded the 2kflowers.mov from here and there are some major problems with it. It's jumping all over the place and stops playing part way through. It may have become corrupt.

David

[Brook Willard]

The LnAcc is a great looking clip. Yes, the highlights are very clipped, but they're stable. Some cameras will have angry, dancing edges and pulsating yellow blobs when something like this happens. The overexposure here just holds its own... and it's not ugly. A little occasional highlight bloom to give that photochemical overexposure look and some grain... and you've got film here.

And nice job pulling your own focus here, Evin!

[Evin Grant]

And nice job pulling your own focus here, Evin!

You think? I was underwhelmed. But I guess I have high standards :weight_lift:

[Jay Taylor]

Have you guys tried shooting something like this, but exposing for the highlights? And then try bringing it back up in post? I'd be curious to know how that looks…


Jay

[zak forrest]

Have you guys tried shooting something like this, but exposing for the highlights? And then try bringing it back up in post? I'd be curious to know how that looks…


Jay

YES thats what i was wondering too... another test??

[Proteus]

Have you guys tried shooting something like this, but exposing for the highlights? And then try bringing it back up in post? I'd be curious to know how that looks…


Jay

Too many stops for that scene (exterior sunlight vs interior unlit) probably even for a well processed film to expose for highlights and then bring back the shadows without excessive noise.

[Evin Grant]

That was the point!

[Proteus]

I think for hand-held and where light is adequate, a smaller aperture would make it easier to focus, eg f11, to show the resolution of the camera...

So far I like more the "sittingh2642k.zip" but these are nice too! Good work Evin!

[Brook Willard]

Eh, I think aperture selection should be based around storytelling rather than revealing a camera's technical prowess. :wink:

[Evin Grant]

In retrospect I might have gone to f8 but we were actually just moving the camera and I decided to shoot a nice moment.

[Proteus]

Eh, I think aperture selection should be based around storytelling rather than revealing a camera's technical prowess. :wink:

Sure, but we don't have a story here, (nor we care for) do we? We just want to see the limits of the RED camera without the human factor if possible. Of course we care for usability too, but that's another parameter. In other words, here we care to reveal just that: the "camera's technical prowess"! :wink:

[Jay Taylor]

Too many stops for that scene (exterior sunlight vs interior unlit) probably even for a well processed film to expose for highlights and then bring back the shadows without excessive noise.

So no one should even try? You don't necessarily have to expose for the highlights, just underexpose a stop or two to see if it helps the clipping a little, without excessive noise.

I thought these were tests!? Try different things!


Jay

[Proteus]

So no one should even try? You don't necessarily have to expose for the highlights, just underexpose a stop or two to see if it helps the clipping a little, without excessive noise.

I thought these were tests!? Try different things!


Jay

I didn't say that! I'm more than willing to see any tests!

EDIT:
Speaking of tests, I'd like to see a landscape view, with still camera on tripod, but also footage with very slow panning.

[Evin Grant]

The point of this shot was to see how the highlights look when they do clip. I posted the flower shot that holds all the highlights. But the rolloff and look of the blowout is no nice on the LnAcc I thought you all might like to see it.

[Rick Darge]

I think the shots are great examples Blair, Evin and Brook. Thank you for posting these. I watched them on a crappy PC and I was still blown away but how well those highlights held together. Even the stuff indoors that was all blown out outdoors wasn't 'ugly' to me. Next time you guys go on a shoot, just for kicks, can you record the same harsh-light shots on an HVX and post a grab.. I need a good laugh..

[Floris Liesker]

LOL good idea

[Rick Darge]

Anyone else getting this weird Final Cut Pro anomaly with these files?

I converted to ProRes format, brought the clips into FCP 6. When I lay them out on a timeline all is well until I hit play. Playing the clips knocks the gamma up while stopping them knocks it down.

Anyone else?

[Floris Liesker]

How about some nostalgia?
http://www.piranhafilm.nl/video.jpg

[Evin Grant]

Anyone else getting this weird Final Cut Pro anomaly with these files?

I converted to ProRes format, brought the clips into FCP 6. When I lay them out on a timeline all is well until I hit play. Playing the clips knocks the gamma up while stopping them knocks it down.

Anyone else?

welcome to the joys of QuickTime. This is what were all experiencing.

[Kenn Michael]

The reason for the gamma shift is that the ProRes format has to be one of the preset frame sizes: 1920x1080, 1280x720 or any of the NTSC or PAL SD flavors. If it's not a 'blessed' frame size (2048x1024 is not blessed), you'll get the gamma shift when hitting play and you won't get any real-time effects.

[Paolo Tinari]

How about some nostalgia?
http://www.piranhafilm.nl/video.jpg

Now this, with all these high quality images out there, is the look a la page...

[Jan Reiff]

maybe you will shake your head, but in my opinion the LnAcc.mov is the most filmish-looking footage yet.
it ´s not perfect in focus and exposure, because there´s no light indorr, but could be a sample from a filmclip. i think the exposure outdoors is very soft, no hard video-like borders.
this really looks like a short test-sample from filmfootage.
and: it´s awesome clean, nearly no noise even at the small compressed footage. the stairs are much more with noise, ... would be interesting, how many light there actually was in this shadow-areas,...

[Álex Montoya]

Yep, it is very nice

[whachusay]

Downloading now. Can't wait! Thanks guys!!!

[Clayton Harper]

The point of this shot was to see how the highlights look when they do clip. I posted the flower shot that holds all the highlights. But the rolloff and look of the blowout is no nice on the LnAcc I thought you all might like to see it.

This is the most important point being made. The blowout is more attractive looking than any video camera that has come before Red. I'd like to see some more extreme examples of backlighting and overexposure.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Yes, this reminds me of shots I use to get with an Arri SR, a Zeiss 11-100
and the ASA 50 color neg film (which is now 7201). Now we can get
way above that quality for a fraction of the cost!

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Well done Evin :weight_lift:
Can I ask what Gamma y'all are setting your displays to? I've got mine set to 2.2.. Does anyone know what gamma FCP is assuming our displays are calibrated to?

[Seung Han]

I completely agree. This is the type of footage I find very helpful as an indie filmmaker. Humans on location with natural lighting. And it looks great.

Thank you to both Evin and Brook and, if you have the time, please share more footage like this with us.

I love car chases, but I don't think I will be shooting one in the near future :turned:


maybe you will shake your head, but in my opinion the LnAcc.mov is the most filmish-looking footage yet.
it ´s not perfect in focus and exposure, because there´s no light indorr, but could be a sample from a filmclip. i think the exposure outdoors is very soft, no hard video-like borders.
this really looks like a short test-sample from filmfootage.
and: it´s awesome clean, nearly no noise even at the small compressed footage. the stairs are much more with noise, ... would be interesting, how many light there actually was in this shadow-areas,...