Prague... a prototype rig. [Archive]

Sean

09-08-2007, 01:52 PM

I'm sure a lot of those bits and pieces will become much clearer to me once the Red store has the product descriptions written. It's hard to know how they all go together and which ones are going to be the ones I want. But that rig looks very close to the set-up I'd like to put together (except we'll be adding 15mm rail adapters to accommodate a Redrock follow focus).

I wonder how easy it is to grab the top handle with the LCD there. Might be a bit cramped? Nicely ergonomic however.

KETCH ROSSi

09-08-2007, 01:54 PM

Jim that is a great set up,

i like it a lot better with this kind of rods, the stainless steel ones do not look very good with some set ups I have seen so far.

Is there a possibility to get this same rods with my 3 REDs when delivered at approx. years end?

Thanks.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

Unwounded

09-08-2007, 01:54 PM

can you still get at the menus with the battery right there?

Clayton Harper

09-08-2007, 01:55 PM

Is that the quickplate holding the battery? I love this set-up.

Häakon

09-08-2007, 02:04 PM

Is that the quickplate holding the battery? I love this set-up.
I think so; it's a great option if you don't have a RED-DRIVE - and since the drives aren't shipping yet, I've seen a lot of empty cradles in people's production pictures that looks like a lot of unnecessary bulk. Are the quickplates shipping? I wonder why no one bought/has used them.

I'm with you guys - this setup looks killer.

Jannard

09-08-2007, 02:08 PM

can you still get at the menus with the battery right there?

I just flip up the battery when I need to see the back LCD. But once you get the hang of where the buttons are, you can see what you need on the LCD monitor.

Jim

Jeff Kilgroe

09-08-2007, 02:09 PM

I like the look of the carbon rods, but they don't seem that practical to me.. Very strong right up to the point where they break under stress of clamping, then they splinter and are worthless. I'm hoping to outfit my RED with aluminum or even titanium rods. titanium would be great as they would weigh less than the steel ones, but would obviously cost a good bit more.

This setup looks awesome -- And nice to see it on the O'Connor 1030 head and not the bulkier 2060. I'm planning on the 1030 to be my main workhorse head with my RED. Well, other than Curt's Mirus head which will be my primary for in-studio use.

Jannard

09-08-2007, 02:11 PM

Jeff Kilgroe

09-08-2007, 02:19 PM

Make sure it is the O'Connor 1030HD.

Will do. I think the 1030HD and 1030HDS are the only "1030" models O'Connor currently offers. The 'HDS model supports more weight, but that comes at the expense of tilt range -- giving only 120 degree tilt instead of 180 and that could be an issue for many people.

number6

09-08-2007, 02:36 PM

This is my favorite prototype rig, Prague. She is one of the 25 pre-production units made last month.

Jim

Jim, she is absolutely glowing... is she... is she with image?

Michael Ragen

09-08-2007, 02:41 PM

I would like to see the basic production pack offered with the quickplate for the battery instead of the cradle as well. I don't care if it cost the same amount. It just wouldn't make sense to get the cradle if I won't have a use for it right now.

Ivan G

09-08-2007, 03:07 PM

Dam it! All this time I'm thinking about purchasing the 2060 and Jim says 1030. I originally wanted the 1030 then after reading the boards decided to go bigger. What to do, what to do?

Jens Jakob Thorsen

09-08-2007, 03:08 PM

Is that the Arri follow-focus? How much are those things?

-Stu

Come on! Try www.arri.com. If you cant afford it, make it out of Lego and rubberbands.

JJ
DP

Brook Willard

09-08-2007, 03:08 PM

I'm digging the battery plate... Sans drive cradle. Is that a product or prototype?

David Battistella

09-08-2007, 03:09 PM

Jim,

This is the documentary film makers dream set up. Looks like a light and simple, go anywhere, shoot anything set-up. The RED run and gun.

Is this what you used to shoot the races?

Can you offer this as a package or let us know about the parts to build it?

Thanks

Häakon

09-08-2007, 04:03 PM

I'm digging the battery plate... Sans drive cradle. Is that a product or prototype?
We're assuming it's this:

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/55

Mounted on this?

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/44

Joel Kaye

09-08-2007, 04:06 PM

We're assuming it's this:

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/55

Mounted on this?

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/44

Be cool if the cable was longer/modular and you could clip the whole thing your belt or the tripod legs..

Jannard

09-08-2007, 04:10 PM

I like the 1030HD for dragging around because I'm old and tired. The 2060 is certainly better if you are young or have a sherpa. All the weight of stuff adds up and I like to go as light as possible.

Jim

number6

09-08-2007, 04:14 PM

I like the 1030HD for dragging around because I'm old and tired.
Jim

Old and tired? Sounds like you are just coming doun off an adrenaline high to me. I'm guessing you will become re-invigorated as soon as your body resets. Old and tired... Hah!

Sam Druckerman

09-08-2007, 04:21 PM

Make sure it is the O'Connor 1030HD.

Jim

Hi Jim,

To be clear.... you're saying the 1030HD is your preference over the 1030HDS?

I've been trying to decide that this week, so....

donatello b

09-08-2007, 04:28 PM

the Arri FF

http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/ff-5hd/ff-5hd.htm

note the Red has the 15-19mm ( or is that 19-15 ) adaptor with it

from a 2006 price list i have = approx 2900euros list price ..

Häakon

09-08-2007, 04:38 PM

Hi Jim,

To be clear.... you're saying the 1030HD is your preference over the 1030HDS?

I've been trying to decide that this week, so....
I believe that is the way you will want to go. The HD can hold up to 30 pounds and the camera body is only 10, so unless you're really weighing down the rails, your payload should be within range. The HDS loses vertical tilt range to achieve heavier support, and that's a compromise a lot of us don't want to make. If you feel you really need the extra support, I would say it's better to bite the bullet and step up to a 2060HD rather than stifle your range of available movement.

Evin Grant

09-08-2007, 04:46 PM

Honestly Haak, how often have you gone past 60º? It's pretty far down. If you really need more you'd be better off on a tilt plate anyway IMHO.
I have a 1030S so I have to stand up for the Sss.

Jannard

09-08-2007, 04:54 PM

Another angle...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189295648.jpg

Sam Druckerman

09-08-2007, 05:00 PM

Confession.

I just picked up the HDS Tuesday with the CL 25 carbon fiber legs, and the tilt seems find to me. Much closer to 90 than I thought. It's a smoking rig.

But, I hate to carry more weight than I need to.....

And that's where it gets cloudy for me.

It's the not knowing that makes some of these choices difficult.

If Jim or Jarred chimed in here and said the HD was enough for the indy guy's like me...

I'd try to exchange on Monday.

Häakon

09-08-2007, 05:03 PM

Man, that's beautiful Jim.

Hey Evin,

Honestly, I do find a need for it... I know it sounds strange, but I've often found myself in situations when I'm doing a overhead shot or the like and it comes in handy. If the body was heavier I'd be more resistant, but I think most people will be okay with the 30lb payload on the HD. That isn't to say that the 'S' is a bad option at all; just if you are never finding yourself needing the extra weight (RED is going to be my primary rig, for example), then even having that "one time" where the extra flexibility of the head is useful then I think it's worth it. But you're right, they're both excellent systems.

Bob Franco

09-08-2007, 05:10 PM

Carrying strap?
OK, I know some guys might jump on me for mentioning this but are there, or will there be provisions for mounting a carrying strap? I've lugged plenty of Betacams around on trails, through New York City, etc. while also carrying a tripod. The strap makes it possible. I resisted using a strap for a long time until I tried it while hiking around in Big Sur with camera and sticks and I want to be able to shoot certain things on my own with my Red. Thanks for the pics, Jim.

Bob Franco

Dexter Gregoire

09-08-2007, 05:16 PM

Carring Strap?
What about a nice soft carrying bag, to protect the camera also?
That should work.

Brook Willard

09-08-2007, 05:53 PM

Man, that sure is a nice looking setup...

So, when can I borrow her? :)

wshultz

09-08-2007, 05:55 PM

Is there a button I can push to order the "Prague" set up?

S. Um

09-08-2007, 05:58 PM

I have to say I like the white background better than the old pictures with the black background. It might not be as stylish, but it sure is easier to see things.

Brook Willard

09-08-2007, 06:01 PM

Is there a button I can push to order the "Prague" set up?

There are a few:

Battery Plate: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/55
QuickPlate: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/44
Bottom Plate: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/47
Cheese Plate: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/48 [I'm not sure about this one... the bit between the bottom plate and the head doesn't look like the back of the dovetail plate]
Top Mount [x3]: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/49
Top Handle: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/53
Top Handle Ext.: http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/54

Add the LCD, Battery, strange LCD mount, lens, rods, mattebox and follow focus... and you're there.

Evin Grant

09-08-2007, 06:05 PM

Haakon, let me tell you that it doesn't take much to get a Red rig into the 30+Lb range. After attaching the 18-50mm, Red sliding base, Chrosziel single sided FF, 19mm steel bottom rods w/15mm Adapter and short 15mm rods a lightweight Chosziel Mattebox, a Battery (Granted with the Red drive cage) and the Panasonic BTLH900a we were getting to about 35Lbs by my estimate. Now the Pany monitor weighs more than the Red LCD & EVF combo but only by a pound or two. We were using both my 1030s head and Blairs 1030HD head. Both performed admirably but you could tell the HD was reaching it's limit, whereas the S still had comfortable room on the counter balance. If you think you are going to ever use bigger lenses or more accessories like motors and onboard converters, I would really consider the S.

Brook Willard

09-08-2007, 06:06 PM

Anybody have a fish scale we could use?

Sam Druckerman

09-08-2007, 06:15 PM

Haakon, let me tell you that it doesn't take much to get a Red rig into the 30+Lb range. After attaching the 85-50mm, Red sliding base, Chrosziel single sided FF, 19mm steel bottom rods w/15mm Adapter and short 15mm rods a lightweight Chosziel Mattebox, a Battery (Granted with the Red drive cage) and the Panasonic BTLH900a we were getting to about 35Lbs by my estimate. Now the Pany monitor weighs more than the Red LCD & EVF combo but only by a pound or two. We were using both my 1030s head and Blairs 1030HD head. Both performed admirably but you could tell the HD was reaching it's limit, whereas the S still had comfortable room on the counter balance. If you think you are going to ever use bigger lenses or more accessories like motors and onboard converters, I would really consider the S.

LOL Thanks Evin.....

I feel better now.

Antoine Fabi

09-08-2007, 07:06 PM

nice, clean, pro.

chuck colburn

09-08-2007, 07:14 PM

Anybody have a fish scale we could use?

Brook,

I've gotta a fish scale, the problem is it's not very accuret under about eight or ten pounds....

TheMuzikMan

09-08-2007, 07:43 PM

the images are gorgeous.

Paul Moss

09-08-2007, 07:51 PM

there's only one small thing that worries me........the straight plug coming out of the back of the monitor.......why not have elbows on both ends....? i could see that getting knocked about a lot.......

Evin Grant

09-08-2007, 07:53 PM

I think that's comming.

David Battistella

09-08-2007, 08:18 PM

This is my favorite prototype rig, Prague. She is one of the 25 pre-production units made last month.

Jim

The Crank set up was about 18lbs.

May I ask what this set up weighs?

David

C.H.Haskell

09-08-2007, 09:02 PM

Perfect set up Jim.

I plan to match something similar to this, seems to be diverse enough for all kinds of shooting scenarios. I would lean on the lighter side (ie 1030HD sticks etc) just to be able knock out more setups in a days work.

Loven Prague!

Now can I get my rig laser etched or not, what’s the final word on that? ;)

Cheers!

Jason Francois

09-08-2007, 09:04 PM

Now that's the setup that makes my heart skip. I'm going to refer to that as my PrizeFighter setup. Fast, powerful and effective.

thanks for sharing.

Jannard

09-08-2007, 09:16 PM

My favorite view...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189311353.jpg

Kevin Halverson

09-08-2007, 09:20 PM

Damn, that is cool!

Kyle Spicer

09-08-2007, 09:34 PM

My favorite view...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189311353.jpg

The view all other camera manufacturers will see as the RED blazes past them.

Poi Boy

09-08-2007, 09:43 PM

Red Ass ?
-A

Poi Boy

09-08-2007, 09:44 PM

How is the evf availability shaping up ?
Aloha
-A

Mike Prevette

09-08-2007, 09:57 PM

Want!!

Brook Willard

09-08-2007, 10:00 PM

So did you guys buy a Blanket-Light or what? I love the look of all the new photography as of late.

Jannard

09-08-2007, 10:03 PM

T. Glen Phelps

09-08-2007, 10:05 PM

Is that the new Quick Plate that the battery is mounted on? And is the Quick Plate mounted on a third Top Mount?

Jannard

09-08-2007, 10:07 PM

Quick Plate is mounted to a Universal Mount Plate.

Jim

T. Glen Phelps

09-08-2007, 10:09 PM

The Quick Plate looks like a great way to save weight and space when shooting to CF card only. Fantastic for a vehicle mounted shot.

Zach Hilton

09-08-2007, 10:10 PM

Laco Zamba

09-09-2007, 01:03 AM

My favorite view...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189311353.jpg

Looks like transformer :-)

Stu Maschwitz

09-09-2007, 01:14 AM

Come on! Try www.arri.com. If you cant afford it, make it out of Lego and rubberbands.

Wow, thanks for the help pal. Look me up—I can afford it. But there are no prices on Arri's site, and I think people might like to know how much this rig would total out to.

the Arri FF

http://www.arri.com/prod/cam/ff-5hd/ff-5hd.htm

note the Red has the 15-19mm ( or is that 19-15 ) adaptor with it

from a 2006 price list i have = approx 2900euros list price ..

Thanks donatello, that's much more helpful. For those interested, that's about US$4K.

-Stu

Evin Grant

09-09-2007, 02:33 AM

I'm giving Jarred a lesson in table-top photography. :-)

Actually, we are doing these together. The professor and the student. The student is getting pretty fu$king good.

I give free classes... and some stories to go with the lessons!

Jim

You guys need another photographer to come down and lighten your work load (Yea, right!).

I was shooting glue this week.:bye2:
http://www.reduser.net/evin/8.jpg

Paul Hazlett

09-09-2007, 05:18 AM

stick with it Evin your doing great!! heheh

Greg M

09-09-2007, 07:34 AM

Wow, thanks for the help pal. Look me up—I can afford it. But there are no prices on Arri's site, and I think people might like to know how much this rig would total out to.

Thanks donatello, that's much more helpful. For those interested, that's about US$4K.

-Stu

FYI- The FF5 is designed for Video lenses...we had issues with it not reaching the gears on our Ultra Primes and returned it for the FF4. The FF4 is designed for Cine Lenses. Its a few dollars cheaper, I think we paid around $3200

Manolo S. Navazo

09-09-2007, 07:37 AM

My favorite view...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189311353.jpg

BABY got BACK!!!!!!! I like big butts and i can not lie.... (peace to sir -mix-a-lot)
http://www.lastfm.de/music/Sir+Mix-a-Lot/_/Baby+Got+Back

thats a nice backview jim. :tongue:

but another question. i am just asking me if it would a better handling with some spiral-cables between camera and accesorries like batterie and viewfinders?
i know often that cables at cameras are taken me to the hell, to handle those as assistant.

greetz manolo

harlan

09-09-2007, 08:55 AM

I was shooting glue this week.:bye2:

Evin, you're supposed to sniff glue, not shoot it. sheeesh, amateurs. ;)

C.H.Haskell

09-09-2007, 09:56 AM

Like ProLost I am also trying to get a break down on some of this Arri gear and cost if anyone would indulge me I would be grateful.

Best

Greg M

09-09-2007, 11:21 AM

Here is info on the follow focus. If you are using prime lenses I recommend the FF4, not the FF5:
http://www.arri.de/prod/cam/configuration_overview/manuals/pdfs/CO_680_2007_05_FOLLOW_FOCUS.pdf

MB20:
http://www.arri.de/prod/cam/configuration_overview/manuals/pdfs/CO_670_2006_11_MB-20_I.pdf

donatello b

09-09-2007, 01:54 PM

i have a arri 2006 price list ( PDF) .. Reduser site doesn't allow one to post PDF .. if you want a copy send me your email - perhaps somebody can post it on their site ...

Jannard

09-09-2007, 02:03 PM

i have a arri 2006 price list ( PDF) .. Reduser site doesn't allow one to post PDF .. if you want a copy send me your email - perhaps somebody can post it on their site ...

Just make a link on reduser. It's OK.

Jim

Charles Perkins

09-09-2007, 02:12 PM

i'll host it.

email it to me

Brook Willard

09-09-2007, 02:14 PM

I give free classes... and some stories to go with the lessons!

Jim

So where do I sign up? Anaheim's still a stone's throw... :wink:

donatello b

09-09-2007, 02:53 PM

"Just make a link on reduser. It's OK."

i assume that would mean i would need to have it up on web so it can be linked ??? ... i don't have a site or place to up load ... i just sent it to a Reduser - perhaps they can link it ?

Brook Willard

09-09-2007, 02:57 PM

Email it to me, I'll take care of it.

donatello b

09-09-2007, 03:00 PM

for those that say email it to them - the problem is under reduser profile there is NO email address ... and the email the site provides ( hides email address) doesn't allow attachements ...

OK Brook i just found your email ... it's in the mail as they say ...

T. Glen Phelps

09-09-2007, 03:09 PM

The ARRI MB-20, MB-20 II and the FF-5HD are all for sale at

Filmtools (http://www.filmtools.com/arrimb20aks.html)

Brook Willard

09-09-2007, 03:10 PM

Arri 04/2006 Price List (http://homepage.mac.com/brookwillard/arri.pdf)

Greg M

09-09-2007, 05:33 PM

The ARRI MB-20, MB-20 II and the FF-5HD are all for sale at

Filmtools (http://www.filmtools.com/arrimb20aks.html)

Arri FF5 is designed for VIDEO LENSES

tj williams

09-09-2007, 09:43 PM

Suprised the LCD used as VF is not mounted on the upper left rod on the extending rod with a hood? so it could be rotated fwd for hand held and back for on the dolly?

Tony Lorentzen

09-10-2007, 01:04 AM

That rear view is really nice. Just add a "We brake for nobody" and it's perfect!

Damien Molineaux

09-10-2007, 05:17 AM

This is my favorite prototype rig, Prague. She is one of the 25 pre-production units made last month.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189284158.jpg

Quick Plate is mounted to a Universal Mount Plate.

Jim

Sorry I can't help myself, I'm nit-picky (borderline a...), but with all due respect Jim, and I don't think you can even fathom the amount I have for you; however it looks to me like the Quick Plate is attached to a Top Mount (http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/49), although a Universal Mount could probably have been used.

What intrigues (spelling ? forgive my french) me though, is the way the LCD is attached...

Cheers,
Damien

PS I just got back from IBC and I've been studying all those spare parts quite closely
PPS Since we're at it, what's the Quickplate Adaptor for (http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/73) ?

Trevor Meier

09-10-2007, 09:59 AM

I'm also curious about that LCD mount...

Rocco Schult

09-10-2007, 12:41 PM

I like the look of the carbon rods, but they don't seem that practical to me.. Very strong right up to the point where they break under stress of clamping..

Jeff, I wonder what tools are used to let them splinter. The clamps used on rods I know are made for rods. I can't imagine that thing breaking by this use - by many others of course. I wouldn't use them for ENG clashing that thing here, throwing and bumping it there like a good old BVW 300

I would go for the CRP ones, should they be available and appropriate in price, but I guess they would.

Brook Willard

09-10-2007, 12:57 PM

While I had a very short time with the CF rods [at NAB], I witnessed internal splintering from tightening accessories on the rods and even gave myself a few CF splinters from brushing my fingers against the ends after a rod had splintered. Granted, I'm sure much has changed since then... but they just never did it for me.

Splintering/exploding aside, the friction coefficient is just too high on the CF rods with whatever coating was used. When you slide something on an aluminium, steel or [presumably] titanium rod, the metal-on-metal contact allows for sliding without much fuss. When you're sliding something metal on an epoxy coating over CF, the metal wins. If something is even slightly out of square, the metal will scrape the coating off. This will eventually weaken the rods in the long term, but will result in aggravation and epoxy dust in the short term.

These are old observations, yes... but I know which I'd put my money on.

Patrick Tresch

09-10-2007, 01:30 PM

Very nice configuration. But I would like it to go hand held in less than 5 sec!!!

How do you frame? With the LCD??? NO... I hope you're joking!

VF is a must have not an option. I know that VF in the latest cameras, like Canon XHA1, is just fisherpricelike but you can't make a 4k camera and frame on a small LCD!

Is it possible to have a shouler mount installed while shooting on tripod (like for other video shoulder camera, to go hand held rapidly?

Thanks.

Pat

Rocco Schult

09-10-2007, 01:40 PM

I witnessed internal splintering from tightening accessories on the rods and even gave myself a few CF splinters from brushing my fingers against the ends...
Granted, I'm sure much has changed since then... ...the friction coefficient is just too high on the CF rods with whatever coating was used. When you slide something on an aluminium, steel or [presumably] titanium rod, the metal-on-metal contact allows for sliding without much fuss. ..
These are old observations, yes... but I know which I'd put my money on.

Observations, no matter old or new, they are worth pointing out. I've seen too much CF to damn it for splintering. In my experience CFP in general holds up pretty well. But coating and friction are definitive points! Thanks for those - impressions!

Jon McCoy

09-10-2007, 04:10 PM

I've got 8"x15mm CF rods on an existing setup, and not had any problems with them...

The ends are bevelled and treated, so no splintering there. The coating is also quite strange - not epoxy, more of a semi-matte, semi-gloss finish, which I've found are as good as Alu and Steel.

True, I'd never mount support grips, or bare the weight of the camera using the rods (15mm CF is so light, you just know the camera weight could snap them).

I need to find out who made the rods (I don't the plate support plate manufacturer made them), I suspect that they where made by a car parts company...

Emmanuel Cambier

09-10-2007, 05:23 PM

however it looks to me like the Quick Plate is attached to a Top Mount (http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/49), although a Universal Mount could probably have been used.

?

Excuse me partner but it does look like it's on a Universal mount, actually.
The top mount is just in front of it.

Faites seulement…:nerd:

Emmanuel

Cail Young

09-11-2007, 05:49 AM

True, I'd never mount support grips, or bare the weight of the camera using the rods (15mm CF is so light, you just know the camera weight could snap them).

CF tubing is surprisingly strong under flex load - it's simple shear you have to look out for - but it depends on the number of 'wraps' of carbon in the lattice (i.e., the wall thickness of the tube).

It could be a matter of a composite approach - perhaps wrap a CF structure with a very thin Al sheet to allow for sliding without risking splintering the outer layer. Or, just find the appropriate resin formula to allow for a less friction-ful surface...

Cail Young

09-11-2007, 06:01 AM

How do you frame? With the LCD??? NO... I hope you're joking!

Er, you look at the LCD and see what's in your frame. Studio camera operators have managed like this for a long time. It's a little unergonomic on your shoulder, sure, but it isn't like it's completely impossible!

Damien Molineaux

09-14-2007, 09:28 AM

Excuse me partner but it does look like it's on a Universal mount, actually.
The top mount is just in front of it.

Faites seulement…:nerd:

Emmanuel

Partner ? maybe someday, you in Paris ?

However, about the Prague setup shown on page 1, I beg to differ, for some odd reason there are three top mounts on this camera. I would think a universal mount would be more appropriate, but that's not what's being shown.

I wonder why I'm having all these discussions about the accessories. I made a comment on the thread where PixelTV made some nice diagrams, and it took two posts from myself and another from adaml to figure out the mistake in the diagram...

I'm not looking for trouble, I'm just a little anal retentive I guess, I like things to be precise and well done. It's my worst default and my greatest quality, at the same time.

a+
Damien

PS Faites seulement quoi ?

Emmanuel Cambier

09-14-2007, 02:15 PM

Sorry Damien
You are right it is a top mount inverted, my bad.

"Faites seulement" is an old swiss expression meaning "you are welcome".

I'm in the south west of France by the way.

Yours

Emmanuel

Damien Molineaux

09-14-2007, 02:34 PM

Hi Emmanuel,
No harm done.

Now that you mention it, I have heard that expression before. How come you're familiar with old swiss expression if I may ask ?

South west, like in oceanside ?

Cheers,
Damien

edit : PS Sorry I guess this has nothing to do with the thread anymore. PM if you care to answer.

Dalibor Fencl

11-20-2007, 04:46 AM

[QUOTE=Jannard;80504]This is my favorite prototype rig, Prague. She is one of the 25 pre-production units made last month.

Jim

A personal question Jim, why she is called Prague?

Bing Bailey

11-20-2007, 06:52 AM

you know does it strike anyone that no matter how well engineered this ARRI stuff is the prices are way out of whack. I mean some of these things are small pieces of metal and they cost thousands.

there are only so many ways you can make a matte box or a follow focus unit. if it were electronic and had thousands of hours of coding behind it i could understand the pricing maybe. like the red camera , jim and the guys really did massive amounts of work on that and still kept it at a reasonable price.

sometimes I think we're all being taken for idiots. a few cogs , a wheel and some bits and we pay 3 or 4 grand and then couple of hundred for extra size cogs which amounts to a molded piece of lego. you could practically buy a small car for the price of an ARRI MB20 and a FF4. I'm pretty sure a hell of a lot more engineering went into the car. I know economies of scale. but still we need more companies with RED's theology. there are plenty of indies out there that would buy if the price was right and that would give you some scale. I know redrock is doing this to a degree. seems to be a snobbishness when it comes to their stuff from quite a few cinematographers I've talked to.

Jim any chance of you guys doing your own matte box and follow focus for the RED when you've gotten most of the features added. I have pretty much decided I only want to shoot on red when it comes to my own projects. so I'd be happy to buy all RED gear

ok I'll step off the soap box now

Jannard

11-20-2007, 07:03 AM

We are working on a lot of accessories...

Prague is my favorite city...

Jim

Bing Bailey

11-20-2007, 07:45 AM

Well Dublin is my fav city since I was born there. but Prague comes in second easily. spent xmas 2005 roaming around prague , so beautiful, you could point a camera in any direction and capture beauty

Bing

jtcoleman

11-21-2007, 08:14 AM

Another angle...

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1189295648.jpg

Jim, I have to say I like this setup (with the quick plate, CF rods, and longer top handle) better than the "basic prod pack" you guys have up in the store. cost being equal, I would go with this config.

just so you know :0

JT
Austin, Tx

Antoine Fabi

11-21-2007, 02:47 PM

En effet !!!!

Superbly compact, clean looking RED.

what is the name of this package ?

II dont see a shoulder brace though...

Dalibor Fencl

11-21-2007, 04:13 PM

Prague is my favorite city...

Jim

Great, hope to see you once in Prague with Prague.

Tim Fassnacht

11-21-2007, 04:24 PM

Ok, so here's a question- In a bunch of these pictures I notice the Limo-looking connector running from the body to the LCD. Is this feeding video and power or just power?

Rocco Schult

11-21-2007, 05:38 PM

video and power. The LCD has no own powering or options. Just the cable.
Same on EVF.

Tom Lowe

11-21-2007, 05:53 PM

she's a beaut.

Petr Dvorak

11-21-2007, 10:25 PM

We are working on a lot of accessories...

Prague is my favorite city...

Jim

... tell me about it Jim :wink:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/15_1195709435.jpg

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/15_1195709707.jpg

for more pics: http://www.foto-ivan-kral.cz/site/3343/default.aspx

Damien Molineaux

11-23-2007, 01:22 AM

En effet !!!!

Superbly compact, clean looking RED.

what is the name of this package ?

II dont see a shoulder brace though...

You'd definitely want the LCD in another position if the camera was on your shoulder. This is a nice looking package, but the LCD position is a little limiting, I'd rather have it on an Red Arm. Also, the position of the battery is obstructing acces to the rear LCD and buttons, so not very handy, although I believe it can be tilted forwards, but still not ideal.

Cheers,
Damien