Delay...

[Jannard]

I don't want anyone to complain about this. I know, I know.

We are going to delay the 51-100 delivery until September 28th. We need the time to catch up on accessories.

The bad news... 51-100 will have to wait a bit longer.

The good news... we aren't delaying any other release dates (as of yet). And this is not a camera problem.

We want to serve our customers well and that includes accessories. Delivering a camera without an LCD or viewfinder just isn't good. And we are having delays on both. Bummer. I hate it.

More good news. When you do receive your camera, it will have more features enabled and be more bug free (I said more, not completely).

I already hear the wailing and knashing of teeth. Please remember that a year and a half ago we were a scam. Now we are just a little late. This is a much better position to be in.

I sincerely apologize for any problems this causes, but please refer to all my previous posts where I have said "that things can and will change".

I beg for your patience.

Jim

[Cory Schulthies]

as long as #1108 stays on time, its cool with me. Sorry 51-100.
Does this shortage have anything to do with the elimination of the premium production pack?

[Tom Funk]

Everyone knew what they were getting into, so if they've made major plans based on explicitly tentative delivery dates, then that's their bad. I've made my big plans, sure - but have built in some flexibility.
In the end, everyone on here is happy to get the next generation(+) at such an affordable price, even if it takes a bit longer. So no apologies necessary for delays - I'm sure everyone agrees.

[Poi Boy]

I am going to hunt down the EVF and LCD guys ! it won't be pretty.
-A

[Jannard]

The elimination of the Premium Package has nothing to do with the delay. And the Premium Package being deleted is a good thing for all. If you need further explanantion of why... I'll be happy to explain (again).

Jim

[Poi Boy]

Shutter, I am very sorry, really ! but this means a six month delay for 1100 on up. Sorry.
-A

[Jannard]

Shutter, I am very sorry, really ! but this means a six month delay for 1100 on up. Sorry.
-A

hehe... nope. I'd have to shoot myself.

Jim

[Jim Arthurs]

Please remember that a year and a half ago we were a scam. Now we are just a little late. This is a much better position to be in.
Jim

I'd wager that you've already fielded more 4K cameras than Dalsa has in their inventory... and if not now, with the next 26-50 probably more than all the D20's as well... and your cameras are in the hands of private owners, not rental only items.

Not bad for a scam, I'd have to agree.

[S. Um]

We don't need no stinkin 'cessories!

We know you're doing your best, Jim. Just keep us updated.

[Steve Sherrick]

Jim, just an honest question here. Did you find problems with the EVF and LCD that had to be fixed before the next batch of cameras go out? Was it a manufacturing problem? I'm assuming you guys were planning on having those ready for shipping with the cameras, and something either went wrong or they haven't delivered on their end.

Looking forward to using both of them.

Steve

[Jannard]

I'd wager that you've already fielded more 4K cameras than Dalsa has in their inventory... and if not now, with the next 26-50 probably more than all the D20's as well... and your cameras are in the hands of private owners, not rental only items.

Not bad for a scam, I'd have to agree.

According to Stuart, we have already shipped more RED ONEs that Panasonic shipped Varicams in the 1st year.

Jim

[Jannard]

Jim, just an honest question here. Did you find problems with the EVF and LCD that had to be fixed before the next batch of cameras go out? Was it a manufacturing problem? I'm assuming you guys were planning on having those ready for shipping with the cameras, and something either went wrong or they haven't delivered on their end.

Looking forward to using both of them.

Steve

Something goes wrong everyday with suppliers. We just didn't build in enough "elbow room".

Jim

[Cory Schulthies]

The elimination of the Premium Package has nothing to do with the delay. And the Premium Package being deleted is a good thing for all. If you need further explanation of why... I'll be happy to explain (again).

Jim

No need to explain any more, just curious. I know there are a lot of factors that go into decisions Like was made with the Premium Package. And I just wondered if the delay was one of them. (Studying business cases has made me very suspicious.) I know you have been very open and honest during the whole process and its much appreciated.

[Jannard]

No need to explain any more, just curious. I know there are a lot of factors that go into decisions Like was made with the Premium Package. And I just wondered if the delay was one of them. (Studying business cases has made me very suspicious.) I know you have been very open and honest during the whole process and its much appreciated.

see new thread.

Jim

[Steve Sherrick]

Something goes wrong everyday with suppliers. We just didn't build in enough "elbow room".

Jim

Shit happens. I have a feeling I'll be okay where I'm situated in the que. I'll be ordering both.

Steve

[Shawn Nelson]

hehe... nope. I'd have to shoot myself.

Jim

Hey, I bet Sony would show up and give you a free commemorative Sony hari-kiri blade for the occasion! Heheheh. :-)

[EDIT] I'm kidding ya'll...of course Sony would ablige...

[Rick Darge]

Thanks once again for the open honesty

[Greg Voevodsky]

Hi Jim,

Since, there is a delay, maybe we can get some more accessory feedback and development in here. I've discovered a few new, unmentioned parts on the RED store front.. I and others have suggested, since we do not know whether it now exists is a RED Battery holder without the cradle that mounts semi-directly to the camera. I'd like it to mount to rails and tilt like the cradle as well as mount directly to the camera.

The point being, please keep us in the feedback loop and let us see your prototypes before releasing them. I hear there is NEW eng stuff coming...
well that is nice, but I would rather the forum here see the prototype give our 2 cents and then see it released. There is no reason for misunderstandings like the PREMIUM PACKAGE... all you had to do is ask us and 70% would have reserved but we didnt since stuff was in change.

I learned after my zoom was delayed to no longer reserve anything since it was subject to change and Im sure I am not alone. The uproar over the premium deal shows that. Simply, give us heads up and allow us feedback before announcing new products like eng that I have no clue to what it is or cancelling premium orders on accessories or lenses. It goes both ways, when we cannot trust a reservation, we will no longer reserve. we willl wait until the product is out and used by others and then buy right as we buy the camera. Anyway, I still love and support RED please let us HELP you and SAVE you and US money in the development. Nothing wrong with trying the RED cage... but Hollywood so far does not see the use of 4 rails and 4 extra handles plus more weight and neither do us shooters. ;-)

[Cory Schulthies]

We want to serve our customers well and that includes accessories. Delivering a camera without an LCD or viewfinder just isn't good. And we are having delays on both. Bummer. I hate it.

Jim

Just out of curiosity, where are the LCDs and EVFs being assembled (country) ?
Some how, I doubt china. (no offense to Chinese redusers)

What portion of the components are original red design as opposed to stock parts?

[Jannard]

Hi Jim,

Since, there is a delay, maybe we can get some more accessory feedback and development in here. I've discovered a few new, unmentioned parts on the RED store front.. I and others suggested and still are since they do not know it now exists is a RED Battery holder without the cradle that mounts semi-directly to the camera. I'd like it to mount to rails and tilt like the cradle as well as mount directly to the camera.

The point being, please keep us in the feedback loop and let us see your prototypes before releasing them. I hear there is NEW eng stuff coming...
well that is nice, but I would rather the forum here see the prototype give our 2 cents and then see it released. There is no reason for misunderstandings like the PREMIUM PACKAGE... all you had to do is ask us and 70% would have reserved but we didnt since stuff was in change.

I learned after my zoom was delayed to no longer reserve anything since it was subject to change and Im sure I am not alone. The uproar over the premium deal shows that. Simply, give us heads up and allow us feedback before announcing new products like eng that I have no clue to what it is or cancelling premium orders on accessories or lenses. It goes both ways, when we cannot trust a reservation, we will no longer reserve. we willl wait until the product is out and used by others and then buy right as we buy the camera. Anyway, I still love and support RED please let us HELP you and SAVE you and US money in the development. Nothing wrong with trying the RED cage... but Hollywood so far does not see the use of 4 rails and 4 extra handles plus more weight and neither do us shooters. ;-)

Greg... you make good points. We'll try to do better. Our only excuses are that we are busy times forever and we also "assume" that everyone will know exactly what we are thing or "just trust us". Neither is a good position to stand on.

We'll work on it.

Jim

[Jannard]

Just out of curiosity, where are the LCDs and EVFs being assembled (country) ?
Some how, I doubt china. (no offense to Chinese redusers)

What portion of the components are original red design as opposed to stock parts?

Singapore and the US.

Jim

[Greg M]

no problem...thanks for the update. Looking forward to getting our new baby. If I can wait 1.5 years I can wait another 4 days.

[C.H.Haskell]

I agree, the accessories are an obvious crucial companion but more important the extra features that may be enabled.

Good luck are getting them out the door.

Best

[Jannard]

no problem...thanks for the update. Looking forward to getting our new baby. If I can wait 1.5 years I can wait another 4 days.

Digitalfx... please tell the other 49 to feel the same way you do... :-)

We all appreciate your patience. The wait will be worth it.

Jim

[Greg M]

ok, I just called everyone and told them to chill.

btw- any idea yet if the pc software will be ready for the 28th?

Thanks, Greg

[John Wee]

Jim, is there any chance of getting a 3 or 4 hot swappable CF slots on the CF adapter ?? That would enable event shooters to swap card and continue shooting without having to tear down to change card.

[Greg Voevodsky]

Thanks Jim. No worries. Even Steve Jobs makes a customer mistake. At least, you do not have a million ipod owners wanting $100 from you! ;-)

However, unlike Apple, RED is for the most part letting us help you and not keeping too many things secret of what is coming up.

Speaking of which, when is Apple going to allow Blu-Ray authoring?!
I'm more tempted to delay my RED just so Apple will catch up and come out with their new OS, NEW QUAD CORE, AND NEW BLU-RAY authoring...

Without that my RED footage is gonna be sitting on harddrives for a while.

[Cory Schulthies]

Speaking of which, when is Apple going to allow Blu-Ray authoring?!
I'm more tempted to delay my RED just so Apple will catch up and come out with their new OS, NEW QUAD CORE, AND NEW BLU-RAY authoring...



Adobe Encore already supports Blu-Ray, it surprises me that apple hasn't joined one side other yet. they would sway a lot of people. My bet is they are waiting for a combo hd-dvd blu-ray burner before going with ether. I just wish Adobe had better support for red. If only adobe was as forward thinking about hardware thats not attached to the computer as apple is.

[dino g]

JANNARD ROCKS!

picked up #31 friday, had a question friday night, called Jim directly he answered my question with ease and perfection like i was his best friend since grade school...

Have camera and guzzling the koolaide, 20 days will go quick 50-100, in the mean time, if your in LA and have a res, send me an PM and if your close I'll come by and u can check it out, or schedule a 1/2 day tech rental and we can go through the whole thing, and if you have a mac/intel you will walk away with footage that is sweet.

[Cory Schulthies]

JANNARD ROCKS!

picked up #31 friday, had a question friday night, called Jim directly he answered my question with ease and perfection like i was his best friend since grade school...

Have camera and guzzling the koolaide, 20 days will go quick 50-100, in the mean time, if your in LA and have a res, send me an PM and if your close I'll come by and u can check it out, or schedule a 1/2 day tech rental and we can go through the whole thing, and if you have a mac/intel you will walk away with footage that is sweet.

Now thats customer service. But I kind of think its more that that, Jim is one of us, just as into shooting as we are, and just like us he doesn't mind talking with someone about a subject he loves.

[Tai Wah Lim]

Singapore and the US.

Jim

Hope you're joking. I am in Singapore. Let me know if I need to check on what they are doing or help shipped them out. i do not want my 3 Reds delayed.

[Häakon]

Hope you're joking. I am in Singapore.
Not a joke, the serial number sticker on the bottom of the camera clearly states "Made in Singapore."

http://gallery.mac.com/brookwillard/100082/IMG_3494/web.jpg

[Lauri Kettunen]

Yesterday I spent some time processing on this approach of RED. Guess we all are anxious to get the camera on our hands, and simultaneously Jim keeps saying they are doing their very best to serve everybody. One of things I realized yesterday is that this a new way oof designing, producing and selling a camera, and it takes time to get everybody used to the new culture.

One of the first things to realize is, if there is a delay, it just means we will get the newest possible engineering design. That is, if we bought a completely ready camera from Sony, Panasonic, Canon, etc., in practice it meant the camera was designed already two or three years ago. In case of RED, the approach is quite different. It seems the cameras delivered next year will still be, at least from the software side, the latest design, and who knows, if a new CCD is adopted, the hardware can also be updated.

So, to control the anxious mind, perhaps it is wortwhile to ask oneself, what were the alternative. What about Jim and the team has kept everything confidental until they suddenly came out to the markets announcing, we have a 4K camera body for 17.500$? I guess, one would have been rather frustrated, if one had just bought some other HD camera with much higher price not meeting the technical quality of RED. In addition, I guess it would help to avoid some of the pitfalls of production if an army of people were hired to deal with those manufacturing components. But, if so, that would also quite likely affect the price tag.

Summing up, this is a completely new marketing approach making a clever use of the web to share the information. Also having a slim organization enables RED to react quickly to changes which can't be avoided. I've never thought RED is scam, but when I did not know anything about Oakley or never heard of Jim Jannard, I was cautious whether the project is realistic or built partly above wishful thinking. With time confidence was built, and have started to highly appreciate the "everything may change" approach. Of course, if possible, would like to get my camera tomorrow, but if I had a chance to choose, still found it much better having all this pre-information than suddenly hearing of RED just after had made some other choice which would have turned out to be a mistake.

[Álex Montoya]

Please remember that a year and a half ago we were a scam. Now we are just a little late. This is a much better position to be in.

That was funny, Jim.

[Mark L. Pederson]

but Hollywood so far does not see the use of 4 rails and 4 extra handles plus more weight and neither do us shooters. ;-)

shoot with the camera ONE day and you will LOVE your cage.

(good post Greg - you make some very legit points)

[Ramesh Jai]

I am going to hunt down the EVF and LCD guys ! it won't be pretty.
-A
You talkin' to me?

[Keith Nealy]

No begging for patience needed Jim. I think all the regulars understand the game by now. Frustrating as it may be for some who scheduled some shoots right out of the box - but deep down we all understand.

There is an ancient Hawaiian value called ha'ah'a... or being humble. Today, Jim you are as Hawaiian as it gets.

I think most of us also know that you feel the most pain and the most frustration when situations like this happen.

You know I tell my kids about you... not only because you're our fearless RED leader... But because you represent a different kind of corporate leader... one with character and conscience and one who still has a heart.
Thanks for being such a stand-up guy.

aloha,

Keith

[Yean Loon]

Can the reservation holders in Singapore collect the parts made in Singapore then??

[Curran Giddens]

Can the reservation holders in Singapore collect the parts made in Singapore then??

Nice try, but somehow I don't think so. I'm sure Jim wants to collect a little ROI for all the millions he spent on R&D.

[Steve Gal]

I didn't know they made a Red 18-85mm Zoom. Is it a typo. Maybe you meant 18-50mm?

[donatello b]

last year 18-85 was in the RED store .. probably a few hundred reservations on it (#37 here) .. last i heard it has been delayed ...

[planet e]

The RED Zoom 18-85mm was the spec for the original RED zoom, a project shelved in favor of the recently-released 18-50mm zoom. So it's no typo, just a reference that Greg was making to a change-up in accessories, to make his point.

I'm just chiming in to reinforce what Greg said...I too ordered an 18-85mm (along with a 300mm) and, since my number isn't up until #1008 and #1248, figured that I would delay ordering accessories until some of the dust settled on the offerings, since the flux was a little confusing. And it was never made clear to me whether the deposit that I put down immediately on the 18-85mm would be applied to the 18-50mm or refunded. Or? I e-mailed and was e-mailed back that I would be receiving a follow-up e-mail on that issue, but it never arrived. I know that y'all are busy and trust that this shift is already a done deal. But it seemed like reason enough to wait until the dust settled at RED HQ before adding more gear, especially since we were told that we would have a one-month window from the receipt of our camera to put in accessory orders and told that they would all be available prior to the camera's shipping. Why be in a hurry under those conditions?

I can see where you would need pre-orders on lenses, to calculate the demand, but it didn't seem quite as pressing to have pre-orders on things like batteries or rails.

So it seemed to make sense to wait, with the expectation that choices might be added or even altered, but not simply withdrawn outright.

Not complaining here--I really have no complaints, I'm sure by the time my cameras are delivered, I am going to be thrilled beyond measure with both the available accessories and the enabled features--but simply offering feedback on why the pulling of the Premium Production Pack caused such a ruckus.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

After hearing delay after every delay, I'm glad you're being totally honest with us Jim. I'm pretty sure once the 51-100 guys settle down after throwing their chairs across the room, they'll realize that this delay is for the better because they'll actually have all the accessories available to them that the first 25 hardly had.

[Häakon]

It was never made clear to me whether the deposit that I put down immediately on the 18-85mm would be applied to the 18-50mm or refunded. Or? I e-mailed and was e-mailed back that I would be receiving a follow-up e-mail on that issue, but it never arrived.
I'm not sure it was ever made very clear, but I know at one point you had the choice. I still have a reservation for the 18-85mm myself and still holding out for it, however long that takes... it just seems like a great all-around lens when I don't want to be carrying a full set of primes around. That being said, I'm also waiting for the full set of primes. :-) I think if you had a reservation for the 18-85mm and never had it transferred, but are interested in the 18-50mm when your camera number comes up, they should be able to accomodate you... besides the more situation-specific 300mm prime, it's the only lens they have for sale right now and since the price is so competitive my guess is a lot of people will be interested when they are ready to get the camera. The recent delays have also been slated to be due to a hold up on accessories, so my guess is that they realize that people want a lot of the products and they're trying to make as much of this stuff as they can. Hopefully the lenses are a part of that. But I'm still holding out for that good ol' 18-85mm! :-)

[planet e]

it's a tough call, because i like the range of the 18-85mm as well, but oh the macro feature on the 18-50mm. macro world in 4K is pretty irresistible.

but the 18-85mm has disappeared from the revised store at red.com, so i don't think we will be seeing it soon. of course, many rabbits have been pulled out of the hat thus far, with many more to come, undoubtedly.....

[Christian Berg]

Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.

[Matthew Rogers]

Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.

Yes, if you can at all, please let us know Jim. I don't want to get the 18-50 & the 50-150, I'd rather get the 18-85 and something like a Cooke 25-250, but I've gotten decide at some point what's going to be released.

Thanks,

Matthew

[Mark Crabtree]

I'm amazed that 1 thru 25 have already been delivered even though it's almost six months past the original delivery schedule. Given the "shake the industry to the core" nature of this ground up new product we all need to take a chill pill and give Jim the time he needs to do it right. I'm going to modify an old saying here: DON'T TELL A GIFT HORSE TO HURRY UP!

[planet e]

i'm not hearing anyone on this thread telling RED to hurry up...we're mostly requesting a few clarifications. the "hurry up" tone has mellowed considerably now that the first 25 actually have shipped...this delay announcement is so short that it's barely a delay at all....

[Jannard]

Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.

The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim

[Matthew Rogers]

The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Thanks for the update. Are you all still thinking around $8,000-$10,000 for it? If so, the 18-50 I am now buying may be sold:)

Matthew

[Shawn Nelson]

The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim

An 18-85mm f2.8 now seems so redundant. If it was a 14-85mm or a T2 that'd be a different story though.

[Stephen Williams]

An 18-85mm f2.8 now seems so redundant. If it was a 14-85mm or a T2 that'd be a different story though.

Hi Shawn,

I disagree, I think the 18-85mm is the most important lens in the range.

Stephen

[David Cubbage]

Talking of lenses; I have ordered the set of primes and I wondered if they will be available at the end of this year as originally planned? I have been told that my camera should likely ship Jan/Feb 2008. If the primes are a long way off, would it be better for me to go with the 18-50mm zoom? I would rather have the zoom if there is the chance that the primes wouldn't be available till late 2008.

[Jannard]

Talking of lenses; I have ordered the set of primes and I wondered if they will be available at the end of this year as originally planned? I have been told that my camera should likely ship Jan/Feb 2008. If the primes are a long way off, would it be better for me to go with the 18-50mm zoom? I would rather have the zoom if there is the chance that the primes wouldn't be available till late 2008.

Primes are on a delay... now Spring 2008. But they will be good.

Jim

[David Cubbage]

Thank you for the update Jim.

Ooooh! I am so looking forward to shooting with Red primes but I may still order the zoom, as well as the primes, because I would hate to get my camera and no lens. Could I make up my mind on the zoom when I am notified of my shipping date or would it be better to place the order well in advance?

[Stephen Williams]

Hi Jim,

I don't know of any similar specification stills lenses so they must be custom designed, sounds very interesting to me.

Stephen

[Jeremy Neish]

Thanks for the schedule update. That was about when I was expecting it anyway.

Is that date pretty solid? If so, I'll book my flight to come pick it up. Also, I'm in the last throws of putting together my financing and haven't been able to reserve anything beyond my RED and Lens. Am I going to be able to get all my accessories (Battery, LCD, EVF, Base Package, etc.) at the time of pickup if I don't have the cash to reserve anything until a few days before the 28th?

Thanks,
Jeremy - Red #63

[Rick Darge]

Jeremyn

Jim stated in the past that anything pre-Redservation holders need at the time of picking up their gear, will be available at time of purchase, unless things have changed. So, no need to reserve now.

[Christian Berg]

The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim

Thanks Jim! I saw the "Made in UK" on one lens at IBC, what company makes them? Guess they are getting busy now...

Just want to thank you for the great camera. Just saw Crossing for the first time yesterday and was blown away. THANKS! Looking forward to nr 440.

[Greg Voevodsky]

I may be using Adobe for Blu-Ray if Apple does not hurry up. I hate the fact that they are supporting hd-dvd - the enemy. The faster, the war ends, the faster us producers can support and deliver product. Right now, even with 2 formats.. dvd at $1.50 and BD at $6.00 for 1000 copies... why should I have to add HD-DVD?!! I'd rather put our more titles... but my capital is getting sucked up in inventory per title at $7500 that may take a year or 5 years to sell!!!!

Pick a side... Blu-Ray is the better format... with PS3 AND SILICON VALLEY and Hollywood supporting it until the @#$ studios Paramount and Universal sold out for 150 million... but this @#$ the rest of us... The retailers will have to carry 2 HD formats at twice the cost and half the shelf space and twice the inventory.... thanks studio sluts! You screwed lots of people!! Karma will pay you back Paramount and Universal... and what the hell is Time Warner advertising retailers to carry both - that is stupid lets carry records, 8 track, and cds too?! It costs retailers twice as much!!! Retailer shelf space will be cut in half... That is BS!!!

I love Amazon but they are fueling the @#$#@ war by supporting both sides like Switzweland in WW2 and like Warner Brothers - shame of you!! The faster the war ends, with Blu Ray winnning the better for everyone...

DVD did well with one format and everyone supported it as it replaced vhs. Outside of Divx supported by Circuit City that quickly bombed... DVD was and is the current winner... lets make Blu-ray that is outselling hd-dvd 60% to 40% in the USA and over 60% in Europe become the winner and format. I'm glad hd-dvd has forced blu-ray to become cheeper faster than it would. But we need to hurry up and pick sides and end the war ASAP.

[Terry Delahunt]

The good news... we aren't delaying any other release dates (as of yet).

Can someone please remind me when cameras 700-800 are expected to be ready for release (subject to change)? Sorry, can't seem to find the current schedule.

[Roberto B]

The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim


Primes are on a delay... now Spring 2008. But they will be good.

Jim

it looks as though you're running your 18-50mm and 50-150mm business, very well.. :whistling:

[Darwin]

I was hoping to see some test on that Birger mount before I made my mind up on the RED18-50 zoom. If I wait till the last minute to order the RED zoom will I be out of luck when my camera is ready to ship? Or can I order last minute with my other camera accessories?

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

The primes are delayed until spring? Ouch. I'm happy to be a late RED reservation holder because I need those primes, not like I'm going out and buying them from another company.

So the 18-50 and 50-150 will be available by February 2008 or so I hope right? Because that'd be plenty sufficient I'm sure, at first...

[Darwin]

I was hoping to see some test on that Birger mount before I made my mind up on the RED18-50 zoom. If I wait till the last minute to order the RED zoom will I be out of luck when my camera is ready to ship? Or can I order last minute with my other camera accessories?
Can anyone from the RED team give me an answer? Thank you.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

This thread was badly hijacked... I cleaned it up and moved all the unrelated disc format posts here (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4527).

Carry on...