Premium Package... once and for all.

[Jannard]

The Premium Package is gone. And that is a good thing.

1. The parts have changed for the better.
2. You are not stuck with every piece in the Premium Package (why anyone would want 4 side rails is beside me).
3. Duplicating the package costs only a few dollars more ($75 I think). But now you can get exactly what you want.
4. The Base Package has not changed in price and is the foundation to build the system you really want.

Any questions?

Jim

[Steve Sherrick]

At first I was disappointed but in the end I think you have made the right move. Gives us flexibilty in configuration.

Steve

[T. Glen Phelps]

Jim, I'm satisfied with with your explanation and I agree that I don't need every part that was included with the original Premium Package. My question now is should I go back and order the Basic Package and the parts I do need or should I just wait until my number comes up (Dec/Jan) and sort it out then?

Thanks

Tracy

[Matt Setnes]

Do early red holders need to deposit or order these now?

[Jannard]

At first I was disappointed but in the end I think you have made the right move. Gives us flexibilty in configuration.

Steve

Believe it or not, we put ourselves in the position of the customer before we make these decisions...

Jim

[Jannard]

Jim, I'm satisfied with with your explanation and I agree that I don't need every part that was included with the original Premium Package. My question now is should I go back and order the Basic Package and the parts I do need or should I just wait until my number comes up (Dec/Jan) and sort it out then?

Thanks

Tracy

Wait. Things just might change again... :-)

Jim

[Cory Schulthies]

Very clear, a continuation of the modular design concept of the camera.

[T. Glen Phelps]

Thanks, sounds good.

[Jan Reiff]

it was not clear how the final order will be operated.
so actually there will be a individual final updated order of the accessoires (and other stuff) when camera is ready , red takes contact to each of us and payment is announced. so nobody has to be worried about missing something in his package when red comes to his office / or home.

tell me when i am wrong. maybe one of those who received already their camera can confirm this for the people standing in line...

thanks so far to jim for picking up this topic again.

[roryhinds]

The Premium Package is gone. And that is a good thing.

1. The parts have changed for the better.
2. You are not stuck with every piece in the Premium Package (why anyone would want 4 side rails is beside me).
3. Duplicating the package costs only a few dollars more ($75 I think). But now you can get exactly what you want.
4. The Base Package has not changed in price and is the foundation to build the system you really want.

Any questions?

Jim


4 Side rails make up the cage?

This information confuses me Jim as RED have always said how great the cage is and from the pictures of the first deliveries most people seem to have the cage setup...

[Keith Alan Morris]

Its funny how all these tech doods got all hot and bothered over losing the "Premium Package"--even though it was just a name. As if the parts were ever going to go away. Its like people who swear they'd only ride a Harley. Oookay, whatev. Guess it just goes to show, once again, its all about branding...

Call all your expensive parts "Premium" and sales will go up.



The Premium Package is gone. And that is a good thing.

1. The parts have changed for the better.
2. You are not stuck with every piece in the Premium Package (why anyone would want 4 side rails is beside me).
3. Duplicating the package costs only a few dollars more ($75 I think). But now you can get exactly what you want.
4. The Base Package has not changed in price and is the foundation to build the system you really want.

Any questions?

Jim

[Jon McCoy]

What would be lovely, is a blow-apart diagram showing what parts fit where (or places they can be fitted), and what's needed for building common rigs...

[Keith Alan Morris]

What would be lovely, is a blow-apart diagram showing what parts fit where (or places they can be fitted), and what's needed for building common rigs...

great idea!!!

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

I'm sure I'll just have to ask some people at the end of the year what they think we should order as far as this goes, because I have no clue what any of that stuff is or what I'd need.

[Eric Edwards]

I do have a question, its completely fine to me that it is no longer available, but since I put in an order for it a while back, do I need to now adjust my order and re-order all of those parts? or what happens with our current order?

[Jan Reiff]

eric, follow my posts: i asked this several times, but there was no clear answer by red or one of the users.
don´t know why really...

[Jannard]

There is no penalty for waiting until the last minute before you receive your camera to order the accessories. In fact, it is probably better that way. You'll have a chance to see many of the possibilities in action and you can change your mind along the way (just like we do)... :-)

Jim

[Jan Reiff]

i think the most confusion about it for us is the way it will be handled, when camera is ready.
will the final order take place via "personal" emailing with red (like the payment way) or will it go via store?

[Eric Edwards]

Well my question is: Do people who ordered the Premium package before it was taken off still get that package and only people ordering now have to order these items separately? Or is the package removed from my order right now and I have to add all of this on later? Since we put the down payment of 10% down, im assuming that whoever ordered the premium package before it was discontinued still gets it? This is just the question I have...whatever the outcome im fine with it, I just want to make sure I know whats going on.

[Gordon Prince]

Any questions?

Jim

Yeah, we'd also like to know what will it be the situation for those who already ordered the Premium Production Pack before?

[Trevor Meier]

Jim, is there some kind of guide available to show the uses of each of the parts? Some are obvious, but some pieces appear to have more than one potential use, or their purpose isn't immediately clear. Maybe a sticky forum post by one of your guru's would do, since this info is likely to change...

[Sean R.]

You can visit the website store at anytime from now until the time your package ships to add to the order. We will also contact you before your camera ships to help you make any modifications to the order and secure payments, ect.

As for questions about if anyone still gets the premium productions package as a whole-no. Those in the first 50 camera deliveries didn't even get it. The fact is you can still get all the parts previously offered, the only difference is that you don't have to get all parts if you don't want them. The deposits that were placed on Prem. Prod. Packs will be applied to your order.

[roryhinds]

I spoke to Kelly and Brian at IBC and Brian put a list together for me for the parts that make up the Premium Production Package and the total cost is a lot more than $75 extra from what was orginaly priced.

Am I missing something here or did Brian get the list wrong adding more than required to make up the PPP?

On the cage we are getting conflicting information here... JIM says who needs the 4 side rails and Offhollywood say the cage rocks.

Which is it?

Please could someone from RED post a list of what makes up the PPP so we can clearly see what is needed and how much it will cost.

[Stephen Webb]

Did he do it from scratch or did he build it up from the basic production pack? Might explain the discrepancy.

[roryhinds]

nope he used the Basic Package as the starter and added parts to that

[Brian Kaz]

There is no penalty for waiting until the last minute before you receive your camera to order the accessories. In fact, it is probably better that way.

Jim

Great! I've been confused about this aspect of ordering, but no longer.

Many thanks.

[Charles Perkins]

from what i see, to remake the premium prod pack you would need:

basic prod pack x1: $1250
red handle x1: $250
top mount x1: $250
side handle x4: $800
12" steel rods x1: $40

total: $2590

i might be leaving some stuff out.

[roryhinds]

1x Basic Production Package = $1250 (603001)
2x Universal Mount = $200 (601002)
1x Red Handle = $250 (601003)
1x Red Handle Mount = $150 (601006)
1 x Top Mount = $250 (602010)
1 x Top Handle Extension = $175 (602012)
1 x 12" Steel Rods = $80
4 x Side Handles = $800

= $3155

$3155 - $2750 = $405

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Basically I want to be able to go two ways. One is a "studio mode" which is basically the set up (plus viewfinder and LCD) shown on :

http://www.red.com/technology

The second is a "Lite set up" mainly for handheld work. Two handgrips, VF, LCD, shoulder mount, etc.

I found looking at the pieces alone it´s hard to know where they go, how many would I need, etc.

[chuck colburn]

For those who must be as light as possible mayby these....also their follow focus looks spiffy.

http://www.denz-deniz.com/sup_rods.htm

[Greg M]

1x Basic Production Package = $1250 (603001)
2x Universal Mount = $200 (601002)
1x Red Handle = $250 (601003)
1x Red Handle Mount = $150 (601006)
1 x Top Mount = $250 (602010)
1 x Top Handle Extension = $175 (602012)
1 x 12" Steel Rods = $80
4 x Side Handles = $800

= $3155

$3155 - $2750 = $405

Why do you need (2) Universal Mounts?

[Dominique Grenier]

I've got two questions:

What's the length of the rods included in the Basic Pack?

How does the 15mm rods adaptor work? Do I just slide it at one end of the 19mm rods and then I insert my 15mm ones in the other side of the adapator?

[Sean R.]

The rods that come standard in the Basic Pack are 18".
The 15mm adaptor is mounted onto a universal mount to aligh your rods properly.

[Dominique Grenier]

The rods that come standard in the Basic Pack are 18".
The 15mm adaptor is mounted onto a universal mount to aligh your rods properly.

Could that be the same universal mount used with the Red Handle Mount?

[Sean R.]

When it comes down to it the universal mount is going to be one of the most key pieces you have to gain flexibility in your configurations. The universal mount can mount your cradle, quickplate, 15mm adaptor, evf/lcd options, handle mount, ect.
It really is universal.

[Dominique Grenier]

When it comes down to it the universal mount is going to be one of the most key pieces you have to gain flexibility in your configurations. The universal mount can mount your cradle, quickplate, 15mm adaptor, evf/lcd options, handle mount, ect.
It really is universal.

Ok, I understand this, but what I really meant was do I need two universal mounts, one of the Red Handle Mount and one for the 15mm adaptor, or can I use only one for both?

[Sean R.]

You will need 2 for that config. if you try to mount the 15mm adap. on top of the handle mount it will be misaligned (too high).
Keep in mind you will most likely need another univ. to mount your power source. So you'll probably need more like 3. Most of the 1st 50 owners ordered 3-4 universal mounts at least- for situations such as these. Like I say this will be a very valuable "extra" to have in your arsenal.

[roryhinds]

you need 2 Universal mounts.. one for the top handle ext. and one for the handle mount for the grips.

Come on RED staff.

[Dominique Grenier]

You will need 2 for that config. if you try to mount the 15mm adap. on top of the handle mount it will be misaligned (too high).
Keep in mind you will most likely need another univ. to mount your power source. So you'll probably need more like 3. Most of the 1st 50 owners ordered 3-4 universal mounts at least- for situations such as these. Like I say this will be a very valuable "extra" to have in your arsenal.

Ok, thanks for the quick and precise answers!

[Kevin Halverson]

I am curious, are any of the accessories available to purchase now or must they wait to be obtained with the camera body? There are a number of pieces that I would love to get sooner as I need to make some modifications and this would allow me to hit the ground running once the body is ready.

[Sean R.]

one for the top handle ext
Top handle ext. mounts to a top mount. Both very close physically, but slight differences.

[roryhinds]

Sean could you or someone from RED please put together the list of what makes up the PPP.

[Brook Willard]

I'm in the process of updating the FAQ with production-era images and descriptions... it'll be up to date by the end of the week, so it may not be a bad place to look over in the mean time before RED updates their site with product descriptions. I've posted about 1/3 of the accessories so far.

[Dominique Grenier]

I'm in the process of updating the FAQ with production-era images and descriptions... it'll be up to date by the end of the week, so it may not be a bad place to look over in the mean time before RED updates their site with product descriptions. I've posted about 1/3 of the accessories so far.

Thanks Brook, I forgot about it, most of the question I asked were already answered in your FAQ...

[Andrew Benz]

Hey Brook better yet, do you have time to shoot and edit 3 or 4 short quicktimes showing various configs, what pieces are used and explanations as to why...? I know you may be slammed and what I asked is out of the question... We are all well aware the RED Team is slammed... I do not live on the west coast or I would offer... We are visusal people and this is new too many. Something like this would go along way to quell the questions and inspire purchases.

Anyone else dig this idea? Then can I get a witness! ( sorry... there is an old time tent revival every thursday two blocks over and it is surreal... I need my RED.)

[Neurodancer]

The Premium Package is gone. And that is a good thing.

1. The parts have changed for the better.
2. You are not stuck with every piece in the Premium Package (why anyone would want 4 side rails is beside me).
3. Duplicating the package costs only a few dollars more ($75 I think). But now you can get exactly what you want.
4. The Base Package has not changed in price and is the foundation to build the system you really want.

Any questions?

Jim

I have an Arri 15mm x 100mm matte box (about 120mm from rail center to lens center) and a Chrosziel 15mm x 60mm matte box (about 90mm from rail center to lens center). Which one will most easily be adapted to the bottom rail system?

[Damien Molineaux]

The Premium Package is gone. And that is a good thing.

1. The parts have changed for the better.
2. You are not stuck with every piece in the Premium Package (why anyone would want 4 side rails is beside me).
3. Duplicating the package costs only a few dollars more ($75 I think). But now you can get exactly what you want.
4. The Base Package has not changed in price and is the foundation to build the system you really want.

Any questions?

Jim

Jim, I'm sure you had a good reason to cancel the Premium Prod Pkg, but please don't say the same package would cost the same today. I tried putting one together, I'm missing at least one rod and probably another thing or two and I'm at $3'740

The impression I have is that the Premium prod pkg was underpriced, that may not be the reason, but it's certainly a lot more expensive now. No hard feelings, I'm under the impression your pricing is fair (I know we're getting an amazing tool at a very low price). So if indeed it turns out it cost more than was estimated, then it's normal you readjust the pricing, (pricing subject to change at any time is something all companies write on their price lists).

Cheers,
Damien

[Damien Molineaux]

I have an Arri 15mm x 100mm matte box (about 120mm from rail center to lens center) and a Chrosziel 15mm x 60mm matte box (about 90mm from rail center to lens center). Which one will most easily be adapted to the bottom rail system?

I haven't quite figured out if you can mount the ARRI 15MM BASE to a Red One and have 19mm rods below to attach the drive and battery to the back of the camera. That is what you would need to mount the Arri mattebox, it costs $600.

To mount your Chrosziel mount box you need the 15MM ADAPTOR and the UNIVERSAL MOUNT ($95 + $100) which mount very easily above the standard Red 19mm rods.

Cheers,
Damien

[Greg M]

Jim, I'm sure you had a good reason to cancel the Premium Prod Pkg, but please don't say the same package would cost the same today. I tried putting one together, I'm missing at least one rod and probably another thing or two and I'm at $3'740

The impression I have is that the Premium prod pkg was underpriced, that may not be the reason, but it's certainly a lot more expensive now. No hard feelings, I'm under the impression your pricing is fair (I know we're getting an amazing tool at a very low price). So if indeed it turns out it cost more than was estimated, then it's normal you readjust the pricing, (pricing subject to change at any time is something all companies write on their price lists).

Cheers,
Damien

This same pieces from another vendor like Arri would cost at least $5000...I wouldnt complain, the prices are very modest...honestly they are a bargain!

[Antoine Fabi]

Wait. Things just might change again... :-)

Jim

I like it.

The constant thing at RED is change.

Best

Antoine

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Quick notes from a fast moving EFP gig. The universal mounts are valuable. The steel rods are heavy. Putting the battery mount on the top rails rather than the bottom ones helped portability and balance. Looking forward to the battery mount sans drive cage. I am a long time Anton-Bauer guy and the V-mount is much looser than the 3-pin AB snap-lock.

I concur with the RedTeam that waiting until delivery to select accessories is wise. I also think a well labeled diagram of all the parts is a must. Even on Red Day when we had all the parts on hand there was still some confusion on which handle was which on the list, even on the part of RED staffers.

If we can all just accept that parts will come and go, or change, then maybe they would be willing to post specifics without concern that someone will complain about the changes. Jim has always reminded us that things will change, let's embrace that.

[red1225]

Perhaps someone could help answer these questions:

1. I have an Arri MB-18 and FF-2. Both are 15mm. Do I or would I need to use RED's Arri 15mm base plate to mount these items. Or would I need to get the 15mm adaptor (2?) to mount theses items or a combo?

2. In what ever configuration gets me to the 15mm rod set up...what about step down rings for the RED handles that are set up for 19mm? Does RED have such a thing or do I need to get them from a FIZ or Preston set up. (I'm sure this would cost a fortune.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Regards.

[Jannard]

You can either buy the RED-Arri 15mm offset plate and your whole system will fit, or you can buy the RED 19mm standard set and add the 15mm conversion plate. Either way will work. If I were you, I'd pick door #1.

Jim

[red1225]

You can either buy the RED-Arri 15mm offset plate and your whole system will fit, or you can buy the RED 19mm standard set and add the 15mm conversion plate. Either way will work. If I were you, I'd pick door #1.

Jim

Thanks for the info. I've already ordered the Arri base plate just to cover my butt.

However...with the Arri base plate will that effect the ability for the battery and drive mount for the rear? Do I use both the RED base plate in combo with the Arri?

Thanks.

[Antoine Fabi]

Jim,

That would be usefull to have a sticky about those accessories/compatibility topics.

thanks

[Clayton Harper]

Jim,

That would be usefull to have a sticky about those accessories/compatibility topics.

thanks

No kidding. From the look of things, it seems like you have to get a body cap as a separate piece.

I am also wondering if the battery plate comes with the quickplate or if you need to get a quickplate and a battery plate to make that work.

[chuck colburn]

Cameras always come with a body plug.

[Stephen Williams]

Hi,

The accessories are really impressive, very surprised there was not more comments from IBC.

Stephen

[chuck colburn]

Yes they are. The bits and pieces look very nice. RED has invested in a LOT of tooling costs to bring one quality acessories.

[Sean]

There is no penalty for waiting until the last minute before you receive your camera to order the accessories. In fact, it is probably better that way. You'll have a chance to see many of the possibilities in action and you can change your mind along the way (just like we do)... :-)

Jim

Thanks! I definitely need a chance to see and hear how people are using the different bits and parts of the package. That's going to be very helpful.

[Häakon]

Jim,

Is this configuration still available? It was always my favorite:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=42860&postcount=49

Most specifically, I am looking to get the top handle "ext." withOUT the extra dangly part hanging off of the front of the camera. With the parts listed in the current version of the store, I'm not finding a way to do this.

Thanks in advance.

[Damien Molineaux]

This same pieces from another vendor like Arri would cost at least $5000...I wouldnt complain, the prices are very modest...honestly they are a bargain!

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that if you wanted to build a Premium package today, it would cost over $1000 more than the previous Premium package. So it shouldn't be said it costs $75 more today. Obviously, the Premium package was previously way underpriced, and it is absolutely in a manufacturer's right to readjust his pricing, for whatever reason, but particularly if he underestimated the costs of fabrication, or if they changed somewhere along the way.

Although I didn't plan on buying a Premium pkg, I wish I had ordered it, as it is quite possible that those that have been able to order will still get it at that amazing price point.

As to the accessories, I've seen them and indeed they seem to be of high quality and beautiful (which never hurts). My congratulations to the Red team!

Cheers,
Damien

[Greg M]

Although I didn't plan on buying a Premium pkg, I wish I had ordered it, as it is quite possible that those that have been able to order will still get it at that amazing price point.




nobody is getting the Premium Package, so why are we dwelling on this...time to move on.