Leica Summilux-C Primes on NAB 2010 BandPro Randy Wedik interview

[Sanjin Jukic]

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Leica Summilux-C Prime lenses on NAB 2010 BandPro Randy Wedick interview on Vimeo by Emmanuel Pampuri*Les Machineurs

LINK>>> (http://vimeo.com/10928894)

[Matt Gottshalk]

Yes, these looked nice under the glass.

[Matthew Duclos]

Just for you Sanjin...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/4519710414_ced7182a3c_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quipmedia/sets/72157623725723315/)

[MichaelHalsell]

Matt good shots. Thanks for sharing.

[Joe Kleber]

Great Shots! Thanks for posting!

[Roberto Lequeux]

A slot for a rear diffusion net. Doesn't that mean for drop in filters, little circular round glass filters? Or is a spot for a net a different thing?

[Tico Llaurador]

Roberto, that pretty much means you can create your own filter, just like in the old days.

:thumbsup:

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Matt,

I'm just watching your very nice

NAB lens slide show report (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quipmedia/sets/72157623725723315/).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2760/4519067593_da2fd95d0d_m.jpg
Leica Summilux-C on RED1.

[Sam Taylor]

Beautiful! I think it would be a joy to shoot with a set of these!

[Stephen Williams]

A slot for a rear diffusion net. Doesn't that mean for drop in filters, little circular round glass filters? Or is a spot for a net a different thing?

No, it's different.

[Roberto Lequeux]

No, it's different.

Please, explain.

[Stephen Williams]

Please, explain.

It's to attach nets behind the lens, otherwise you have to stick them on with tape.

[Andrew Rieger]

Well, we have a price now, $175,000 for a set of eight. A little ridiculous if you ask me. Leica is great and all but seriously, what makes these that much better than Red lenses other than the fact that they are a stop faster? I know, hand made, titanium... honestly, these are being way way marked up just for the Leica name, reminds me is high fashion prices, $120,000 for a purse. For this price, they better be made by the hand of God himself. I can buy a full set of Red Pro Primes for the cost of one of these.

[Roberto Lequeux]

I don't think Maradona has gone into lens manufacturing yet.

[Brad Webb]

Well, we have a price now, $175,000 for a set of eight. A little ridiculous if you ask me. Leica is great and all but seriously, what makes these that much better than Red lenses other than the fact that they are a stop faster? I know, hand made, titanium... honestly, these are being way way marked up just for the Leica name, reminds me is high fashion prices, $120,000 for a purse. For this price, they better be made by the hand of God himself. I can buy a full set of Red Pro Primes for the cost of one of these.

That's why you rent them!:sifone:

[hans de vries]

Well, we have a price now, $175,000 for a set of eight. A little ridiculous if you ask me. Leica is great and all but seriously, what makes these that much better than Red lenses other than the fact that they are a stop faster? I know, hand made, titanium... honestly, these are being way way marked up just for the Leica name, reminds me is high fashion prices, $120,000 for a purse. For this price, they better be made by the hand of God himself. I can buy a full set of Red Pro Primes for the cost of one of these.

And to me it's still not clear what makes these so much better than the leica stills lenses that you have to pay tens of thousands more; I understand the focus ring is different, aperture works differently, somebody was talking about a difference in weight; so?

[Tim Duran]

FYI, I was told about 11:00 AM today by BandPro that they had sold 18 of the 20 sets that they had available for 2010. Est delivery is >Oct.

[Sanjin Jukic]

FreshDV NAB 2010 - Leica Lenses and Rotolight (NAB 2010 video) >>> (http://www.freshdv.com/2010/04/freshdv-nab-2010-leica-roto.html)

Price: 132000 Euro or US$178000 for the set of 8 lenses.

16500 Euro or 22,225.50 US Dollar (USD) per lens.

Also BandPro wrote me at email that:

"At the moment the lenses are only available as a full set and individual lens purchase is not planned for some time."

[Andrew Rieger]

I guess red has spoiled all of us into the idea that we can reasonably afford all our own gear. Other manufacturers have not adopted this model. Look at Sony and Arri when it comes cameras. Just because we paid a fortune for cameras in the past does not mean we need to know. For Arri and Leica, it really comes down to pride. They don't want to price competitively because they don't have to, they have an established brand name that will draw customers no matter what, but as Red and it's model becomes more industry accepted, even Leica and Arri diehards will scratch their heads wondering why they are paying more than everyone else. The funny thing is, in the photography world, Leica's are enthusiast cameras and toys for art photographers. Toys for rich boys, not the workhorses they used to be. You can get the same results out of Pro Nikon and Canon gear for 1/3 the cost. I view modern Leica's the same way I view expensive purses, way more expensive than they need to be. Leica's used to be more available to everyday photographers which is how my dad bought a couple which I use today. He could never afford their new cameras and lenses today.

[Sanjin Jukic]

With the set of 5 lenses 16, 21, 25, 35, 50, 75 T1.4 lightweight 1.6-1.8kg (3.5-4.0 lbs) that would costs

you about 82500 Euro or 111,127.50 US Dollar (USD) that is actually a price range of one high quality

fast zoom like Fujinon 18-85 mm / T2.0 that has weight 6.9kg (15.2lbs).

Also to repeat again that BandPro wrote me at email that:

"At the moment the lenses are only available as a full set and individual lens purchase is not planned for some time."

With each of this lightweight prime lens on very soon upcoming lightweight EPIC you could probably comfortably ride and fly the newest

Steadicam Tango stabilizer in many low and available light situations that with heavy zoom or other heavy fast primes you can't.

That's something revolutionary for the future filmmaking and storytelling.

Also don't forget that you'll get a Panavision like sort of quality images from those new Leica prime lenses.

[Andrew Rieger]

With the set of 5 lenses 16, 21, 25, 35, 50, 75 T1.4 lightweight 1.6-1.8kg (3.5-4.0 lbs) that would costs

you about 82500 Euro or 111,127.50 US Dollar (USD) that is actually a price range of one high quality

fast zoom like Fujinon 18-85 mm / T2.0 that has weight 6.9kg (15.2lbs).

With each of those lightweight prime lens on also lightweight EPIC you could probably comfortably ride and fly the newest

Steadicam Tango stabilizer in many low and available light situations that with heavy zoom or other heavy fast primes you can't.

That's something revolutionary for the future filmmaking and storytelling.

Sanjin, I agree that these lenses are revolutionary but that fact that they are 5X more expensive than RPP speaks about Leica as a company. I mean, are they really that much better than the Red lenses and if you put the footage side by side, could anyone really tell other than optics experts? While I would not consider myself a Red fanboy, I can say comfortably that red could make these exact lenses for half the cost.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sanjin, I agree that these lenses are revolutionary but that fact that they are 5X more expensive than RPP speaks about Leica as a company. I mean, are they really that much better than the Red lenses and if you put the footage side by side, could anyone really tell other than optics experts? While I would not consider myself a Red fanboy, I can say comfortably that red could make these exact lenses for half the cost.

I can't say anything about this but can say that today new sort of a Stanley Kubrick's like filmmaker would like them very much.

[Christopher Polis]

Sanjin, I agree that these lenses are revolutionary but that fact that they are 5X more expensive than RPP speaks about Leica as a company. I mean, are they really that much better than the Red lenses and if you put the footage side by side, could anyone really tell other than optics experts? While I would not consider myself a Red fanboy, I can say comfortably that red could make these exact lenses for half the cost.

Maybe it says something about Leica that they can sell them for 5x the price that RED does.

The other thing is that realistically, RED lenses are already quite some distance up the quality scale. To get better* costs exponentially more from there. Don't forget that these are also faster, smaller, and lighter; all of which adds to the cost.

*'Better' being an unproven judgment at this time..

[Bob Renalds]

Also don't forget that you'll get a Panavision like sort of quality images from those new Leica prime lenses.


Of course you do............ ;)

[Roberto Lequeux]

SJ, I also thought of the Steady-Tango + Epic + Leica Primes. :thumbsup:

One sweet beast of a combo if you hire the right steady op!

[Sanjin Jukic]

The following are the shots were made with Leica Summilux-C's little brother Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH. on RED1

that is one of Leica's masterpiece lenses (http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/leica/leica/page102.html) from the newest Leica aspherical lens design.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_01.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_02.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_03.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_04.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_05.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_ApoSummicron75_06.jpg
Shot on R1 with Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH.

Some of "The Making Off" shots:

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_April_07_2010_07.jpg
Location: Belvedere gardens Vienna.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_April_07_2010_08.jpg
Location: Belvedere gardens Vienna.

http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Leica_ApoSummicronM75mmASPH_02.jpg
Leica Apo-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH on R1.

At the end a short test HD WS clip >>>> (http://homepage.mac.com/sanjinjukic/RED/Belvedere_April_07_2010_05_H264.mov)

[Roberto Lequeux]

lol... spam attack!

:)

[Sanjin Jukic]

lol... spam attack!

:)


Ha ha ha............

as you like it!!!!!!!!!

[Shawn Nelson]

I held two of these lenses and they were very nice, lighter than the RPPs, amazing focus marks, nice rear netting. But, $178,000...holy shit! I think they'd be worth literally double what the RPPs are, but that'd put 8 primes at ~$60,000. I must say that having them be over 500% the RPP price is just insanity. Oh well, they aren't stupid, they've sold 43 sets at 178k a piece for almost $8million usd in sales. They could probably sell the same amount next year. Oh well. The good news is that Zeiss Ultraprimes/MasterPrimes and Cooke S4/S5s now have new competition.

[Erik Franzén]

So, they essentially are saying FU to everyone not currently a big company or semi-rich? That's nice. Though I expected better pricing. Almost 200K just doesn't sit right with me. For half the price, I would have considered them at a good deal. Now they seem priced like some sort of luxury item.
Ah well, beautiful images at least! =)
(p.s. and thanks Sanjin for spamming up the biggies, someone needs to take that responsibility! Away with you small images! :beer:)

[Sanjin Jukic]

I held two of these lenses and they were very nice, lighter than the RPPs, amazing focus marks, nice rear netting. But, $178,000...holy shit! I think they'd be worth literally double what the RPPs are, but that'd put 8 primes at ~$60,000. I must say that having them be over 500% the RPP price is just insanity. Oh well, they aren't stupid, they've sold 43 sets at 178k a piece for almost $8million usd in sales. They could probably sell the same amount next year. Oh well. The good news is that Zeiss Ultraprimes/MasterPrimes and Cooke S4/S5s now have new competition.


Leica Summilux-C Primes are about in the same price range like a similar fast cine lens sets from Cooke S4i T1.4 and Carl Zeiss Master Primes T1/3.

They are all expensive because Leica's high-performance lenses are all made, by hand, maybe the same like with other famous competitors lens sets.

Also Leica set has a slight advantage over other sets because of its lightweight, size, optical excellence at all apertures from T1.4 to T22 together

with unique Leica true and incredible color rendering.

[Tom.Wong]

a big complaint about the RPP's is that they are heavy and big, and the flange distance in some of the wider lenses don't work on all the systems. RPP 18 mm I remember in one post, someone tried to put on a 35 mm camera, and it wouldn't work.

Leica primes are 2.8 pounds a piece, matching front diameter, super fast matched speeds, color rendition, and I believe seeing some videos of it at NAB, the biggest praise about them was that you could easily just palm handle each lens they are so light. It also has a titanium housing so more expensive but efficient materials went into the lens. Leica is a company about no compromise quality, keeping the price down may have compromised quality, who knows, and they aren't about to do that.

there are also a lot of competing DSLR cameras, full frame and which such high megapixels it's close to medium format, but they still came out with a medium format camera in a SLR form factor ranging over 30 thousand dollars for just the body. they could have made a 35 mm format camera instead for a lot cheaper, but that isn't what they are about...


and they are half a stop faster than RPP's, half a stop is a huge price difference, especially at that level of optical quality. You can argue whether you will notice the difference between an RPP and a Leica prime when you put them up on the big screen, to most people, probably not, but for the AC who's handling the lens, and the DP is seeing how it reacts and the uses of it, yes, BIG difference.

[Mike Brent]

I don't understand this whole discussion... do you also ask "why would someone buy a Lexus when he can buy a Toyota?" Some people can afford them... so why not. I'm still using a Nokia phone from 6 years ago, on principle, even that I can afford nearly anything I want, including these lenses. Some people define themselves by the junk they buy, some people by what they don't buy. Consumerism is sick... people are crazy/sick.... yada yada yada. its a discussion for another forum.

[John Brawley]

I don't understand this whole discussion... do you also ask "why would someone buy a Lexus when he can buy a Toyota?"


More like why buy a Rolls, Bently or a Ferrari than a toyota.

There is a big difference when comparing these to RPP. Really they are the same league as Master Primes and Cookes S5's. Similar pricing too. The idea that Leica are pricing these at a premium just because they can is ridiculous. If you don't see the value in using them then don't.

You're paying a lot more for incrementally small improvements in quality, practically and consistency. To some people, they're happy to pay the premium it costs to do that. There's plenty of room for everyone....

jb

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Or why not price this set of primes at 1/3 the cost and sell 10X as many sets? I'm sure they have a valid reason for not doing so. Not every company chooses the route of higher volume with lower cost. These lenses look really great, but I can think of a lot of other places I could better spend $178K, even if I did have that much money burning a hole in my pocket just for new glass. On the bright side, they seem to be selling well, so I should have no problem renting these lenses after a bunch of these sets get delivered.

BTW, who dropped the 18mm Summilux-C that was in the display case? It had a nice dent in it, LOL... They didn't want to sell it to me at a discount though. Hehe.

[Stephen Williams]

Or why not price this set of primes at 1/3 the cost and sell 10X as many sets? I'm sure they have a valid reason for not doing so. Not every company chooses the route of higher volume with lower cost. These lenses look really great, but I can think of a lot of other places I could better spend $178K, even if I did have that much money burning a hole in my pocket just for new glass. On the bright side, they seem to be selling well, so I should have no problem renting these lenses after a bunch of these sets get delivered.

BTW, who dropped the 18mm Summilux-C that was in the display case? It had a nice dent in it, LOL... They didn't want to sell it to me at a discount though. Hehe.

Hi Jeff,

They probably can't produce 10 times the quantity with the same Q.C. They have always been a premium low volume player, why should abandon that now?

Stephen

[Sanjin Jukic]

You never know what the future brings but to tell you that if Leica already has a success in making high-end cine lenses today

could be possible that Dr.Andreas Kaufman also wants to make one day a high-end lightweight cine camera.

Also don't forget that Leica Camera AG has a successful business relationship with Panasonic.

[Stephen Williams]

Also don't forget that Leica Camera AG has a successful business relationship with Panasonic.

I don't think those Leica lenses are produced in a Leica factory in Germany...

[Sanjin Jukic]

I don't think those Leica lenses are produced in a Leica factory in Germany...

Right, the lens design made in Germany with the lenses made in Japan.

But this is still pretty healthy business for Leica Camera AG.

[Victor Papalucas]

One question for You guys... Who makes Panavision G-Series lenses ?

[Sanjin Jukic]

One question for You guys... Who makes Panavision G-Series lenses ?
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[C.H.Haskell]

Anyone buying a set in NYC that will be renting in the near future? Would love to get my hands on these for next gig.

[Victor Papalucas]

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Sanjin,

Thank You very much.
What are Panavision Primo L-series and G-series optic resolutions?

Over 100+ line pairs ?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Victor,

when you have a chance go in the closest Panavision rental and ask them.

Till then read about new Promos here >>> (http://www.panavision.com/publish/2007/12/03/primos.pdf)

[C.H.Haskell]

I still dont even have a lens for my MP sitting here on my shelf...have to borrow them in the mean time!

[Roberto Lequeux]

Samples... ?

Weren't a few sets delivered already? Or just pre-sales thus far?

[Sanjin Jukic]

BTW, Roger Deakins ASC, BSC already tested new Leica Summilux-C Primes:

"I have tested these lenses and, as one would expect from Leica, they are incredibly sharp.

There were a few issues that needed to be dealt with but, as I understand it, the lens set will be available before the fall."

LINK>>> (http://www.deakinsonline.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1203)

I would say you can expect to get them at the major US rentals like a Nemenz, Clairmont,...in Fall.

[Roberto Lequeux]

Posted at C.com


(...)just to dispel a few rumors, here are some facts.

Band Pro is the exclusive reseller of the Leica Summilux-C lenses.
Americas are covered through our LA & NYC office, Europe is covered
through our Munich office.

A set of 8 lenses (18, 21, 25, 35, 40, 50, 75, 100) is approx $178K
USD. Euro pricing is around E129K.

A 16mm & 65mm will be available in the first half of 2011. There
are a total of 16 lenses planned in a range of 12mm to 150mm.

We are taking 10% deposits on sets, and have been since a few days
before NAB. There is a waiting list, it is growing rapidly. If
you order today, you will likely receive your set in January 2011.

No demo sets or finished sets have been delivered.

Best,

Randy Wedick
Technical Consultant
Band Pro Film & Digital

[Sanjin Jukic]

I'll get one Leica-C Primes T-Shirt!!!

[randywedick]

Jeff,

Luckily the 18mm that was dented was a non-working mockup.

Randy Wedick
Technical Consultant
Band Pro Film & Digital

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Also don't forget that you'll get a Panavision like sort of quality images from those new Leica prime lenses.

Not sure if the new Leica will look like Primos or any other Panavision lens. While PV doesn´t build their lenses, they do specify what they want and they would be dumb if they don´t protect that design.

That being said, I do love Panavision optics. They look like nothing else. There are so many beautiful movies that I love that credits Panavision...

As for the price range, they are in the league of the Zeiss Master Primes (t1.3) and Cooke´s i5 (t1.4). Best of the best. It doesn´t make too much sense to compare them with a T1.8 / T2.0 lenses because that extra stop cost a lot of money in R&D.

BTW Sanjin, I love your Vienna pictures. Actually I have I been there many times and it´s a fantastic city. Planning to be there after the world cup. Here´s something for you...not Leica thought.

[jonnycom]

I hope the massive drop in the Euro is reflected in their price.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Not sure if the new Leica will look like Primos or any other Panavision lens. While PV doesn´t build their lenses, they do specify what they want and they would be dumb if they don´t protect that design.

That being said, I do love Panavision optics. They look like nothing else. There are so many beautiful movies that I love that credits Panavision...

As for the price range, they are in the league of the Zeiss Master Primes (t1.3) and Cooke´s i5 (t1.4). Best of the best. It doesn´t make too much sense to compare them with a T1.8 / T2.0 lenses because that extra stop cost a lot of money in R&D.

BTW Sanjin, I love your Vienna pictures. Actually I have I been there many times and it´s a fantastic city. Planning to be there after the world cup. Here´s something for you...not Leica thought.

Panavision wanted Leica look and they managed to achieve it with Primo L Series lenses.

That was a reason that they "involved" Leitz Canada to help them with the glass.

But you can't buy Panavision Primo L lenses and you can rent them only.

Today Leica Camera AG wanted to make cine lenses for a sort of good reason.

That was a sort of strategy that they reached one of main ex-Panavision lens designer to help them to make cine lenses.

From the info above you can conclude that Leica tried to get even further with its first cine lens design.

The goal was probably to get optically maximum perfection that can be achieved in cine lens design, lightweight and easy of use.

But now you can buy the new Leica Summilux-C (Cine) set of lenses.

And of course you get those new Leica lenses at almost the same price as the competition sets from Carl Zeiss Master Primes or new Cooke i5 fast lens set.


BTW. Vienna is a sort of AN OLD CITY STAGE after Austro-Hungarian Empire dropped itself about 100 years ago (WWI 1914-1918).

After that political defeat, economical and cultural destruction this sort of a city stage was left, devastated and later entered by totally other kind of people from many other different

origins that the "Emperor City of Vienna" never revitalized itself and the old spirit just remained mostly at urban architectural scenography and of course the classic music,

but the art, literature, poetry, psychology or film, etc,... slowly were vanished from that stage...the old spirt was forever gone and today the bottle is empty...

But still there are many interesting points from those could be possible to make a lot of interesting stories for the movies about all those events, struggles, battles, influences,...

...and of course also about the present situation...

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Thanks for letting me know more about Vienna. Guess it´s kind of sad to see such a fantastic city without it´s former splendor. I´m kind of a romantic about the past periods. Maybe it´s because I´m never happy where I´m at or because the neighbor grass is always grenner. Perhaps the same reason why many of us want to own Panavision optics, because we can´t have it. Until now...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Rodrigo,

don't worry and Vienna still a nice place to live.

Also Panavision cine glass is still unbeatable just because they were started with anamorphic(s) and they are the pure leader with it till today.

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Just finished the Zeiss trainning service course at the Zeiss factory in Oberkochen, Germany. I´m in Budapest now and heading to Vienna for a service training at Moviecam beginning next week.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Just finished the Zeiss trainning service course at the Zeiss factory in Oberkochen, Germany. I´m in Budapest now and heading to Vienna for a service training at Moviecam beginning next week.

Rodrigo,

give me a call if you have time.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Not sure if Panavision was thinking of the look as much as they where thinking of the excellence of the build of the optics, when they involved Leica to help them :beer:

[Sanjin Jukic]

Not sure if Panavision was thinking of the look as much as they where thinking of the excellence of the build of the optics, when they involved Leica to help them :beer:

Fredrik,

you are right but also when you have a time sit and compare photos shot on Leica (find them online starting with Leica web page) with image look of the movies shot with Panavision Primo series lenses.

Then you'll get the idea...

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Dear Sanjin,

My guess is that you've never have shot with PV Primo lenses. I have on several occasions and I love them. Just as much as I love their other lenses (my preference is C-series Ana's - LOVE THEM).

I also own my fair share of Leica cameras and lenses and love them as much as you do Sanjin (well maybe not as much).

So I do think I get the idea LOL.

BUT to truly compare the looks of lenses you have to shoot in the same environment next to each other with same gear. You know that as well as the rest of us.

That characteristics of Leica lenses will rub off on the Panavision lenses IS OBVIOUS if they're working on them. They will use similar techniques and hardware to make them.

BUT you can't sit and say that the look was what they were after unless you actually have proof of that? They were after the brilliance of what Leica technics could provide for them. They wanted to make their own look, but knew that Leica from seeing their lenses, would provide with the best option (in their opinion).