Omfg

[Álex Montoya]

Mark sent me some of the frames that he can't publish.

What can I say? I am not easily impressed but this is yet the BEST footage that I've seen coming from a RED ONE.

Amazing detail (I have done the 4k-2k-4k trick and the resolution is clearly higher in the original frame), color rendition, highlight handling.

What more can I say: just that IT IS far superior than 35mm.


Just hope that Mark can get the clearance.

[Simon Blackledge]

:) :)

[Mark L. Pederson]

rate the camera at IS 320.

open your iris, use the "zoom in" feature and focus.

check your focus with cloth tape.

FORGET your light meter.

Turn on FALSE COLOR.

Adjust TStop until you have NO RED in the image and only a very small amount of ORANGE.

Press record.

[Mark Thorpe]

NOOB QUESTION #1: What's Cloth Tape and how do you check focus with it?

[Álex Montoya]

I'm listening to this podcast (http://www.fxguide.com/fxpodcast.html), BTW.

Any hopes for the clearance?

[Nick Shaw]

use the "zoom in" feature and focus

Is the "zoom in" feature only available on the EVF, or can you see it on the LCD and SDI/HDMI outputs as well?

[Mark L. Pederson]

NOOB QUESTION #1: What's Cloth Tape and how do you check focus with it?

if you tested the calibration of your lenses with a focus chart -

you use a measuring tape (most ACs have cloth measuring tapes) to measure the distance from the subject to the film plane - or in RED's case - the SENSOR PLANE -

to be honset - we have NOT been measuring much - because our tests have been less controlled and more run-and-gun - but we have found our RED 18-50 to be perfectly callibrated - we have had several rented lenses that were "OFF" - so, you can leave that step out - but if you are doing high-end work, check your glass with focus sharts and verify with tape OR laser measure.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Is the "zoom in" feature only available on the EVF, or can you see it on the LCD and SDI/HDMI outputs as well?

need to check that Nick - I'd be willing to bet that it's only EVF & LCD at the moment.

We are BEGGING Stuart to give use FALSE COLOR out the PREVIEW (720 Hd-SDI) - FALSE COLOR is your new best friend. And if we can get it on a nice HDSDI monitor - it will be an AWESOME for the gaffer to use as he lights a set - it would help you LIGHT for best dynamic range -

[Mark L. Pederson]

I'm listening to this podcast (http://www.fxguide.com/fxpodcast.html), BTW.

Any hopes for the clearance?
Doesn't look good and I think it's not worth the fight.

There is a production company, agency, DP with agent, end client (big cosmetics company), etc. etc.

Today THE MILL has our RED shots in 2K up against the 35mm material - we'll let you know what the boys at THE MILL say.

Fear not - we'll be showing more work soon -

[Nick Shaw]

Flase colour was a function built in to the original Accuscene EVF was it not? I assume the RED EVF does it with its internal electronics in the same way. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done in the future with the camera's processing, I guess.

[Nick Shaw]

Today THE MILL has our RED shots in 2K up against the 35mm material - we'll let you know what the boys at THE MILL say.

Looking forward very much to hearing their comments.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Flase colour was a function built in to the original Accuscene EVF was it not? I assume the RED EVF does it with its internal electronics in the same way. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done in the future with the camera's processing, I guess.

the processing is IN THE CAMERA now - we have been using it 100% on LCD. We are waiting for our EVF - coming this week -

[Nick Shaw]

If you don't have your EVF yet, I guess that answers part of my first question – the "zoom in" is available at least on the LCD as well as the EVF. I had heard that the button to activate it was on the EVF itself, so wondered if you could only see it on that. I guess my info was wrong!

EDIT: Stuart said to me at NAB that the functions available on the EVF were slightly more than those available on the LCD, but didn't give details. Good to hear that the main ones are on both.

[Mark L. Pederson]

If you don't have your EVF yet, I guess that answers part of my first question – the "zoom in" is available at least on the LCD as well as the EVF. I had heard that the button to activate it was on the EVF itself, so wondered if you could only see it on that. I guess my info was wrong!

ZOOM IN ON LCD - YES - WORKS GREAT

[Evin Grant]

Zoom in works fine on HD-SDI out too. We use it focus on the Pany BTLH900a on almost all the shots we did tonight.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Zoom in works fine on HD-SDI out too. We use it focus on the Pany BTLH900a on almost all the shots we did tonight.

Kicken'!! - we hadn't even tried it -

[Matthew Rogers]

Turn on FALSE COLOR.

Adjust TStop until you have NO RED in the image and only a very small amount of ORANGE.

So is this kind of like zebras? Is there a chance you could take a digital pic of the LCD screen with this on?

Thanks,

Matthew

[Nick Shaw]

So is this kind of like zebras? Is there a chance you could take a digital pic of the LCD screen with this on?

Have a look at p26 in the accuscene manual (http://www.accuscene.com/umvf1280sMkII.pdf). I know RED have probably changed things a fair bit, but I suspect false colour will work in the same way.

[Fix]

Today THE MILL has our RED shots in 2K up against the 35mm material - we'll let you know what the boys at THE MILL say.

Fear not - we'll be showing more work soon -

Wooo.. I got tremendous respect for those guys. I can’t wait to hear their verdict. Really look forward to see the footage. When can we expect anything?

[Mark L. Pederson]

Wooo.. I got tremendous respect for those guys. I can’t wait to hear their verdict. Really look forward to see the footage. When can we expect anything?

Like I said - I don't think we can ever show that footage. There is a bit of a political, legal ball of S#!*T wrapped around it as it was a TEST for the production campany with a major DP who was shooting 35mm. Regardless, we will be shooting with that production company soon and they ARE interested in press and posting material.

[Stuart English]

in this (Sept 9) firmware build, the 2x magnify focus check works on the RED-LCD, RED-EVF, Preview HD-SDI or HDMI output - i.e. whichever one of those you choose to be your active monitoring output. We currently support one active monitor port, but can switch which one is active on the fly.

Frame guides (frame guide, safe action / title) also work the same way.

With regard to Zebras and and False Color Exposure meters, they are generated inside the camera for the RED-EVF and now (post NAB upgrade) also the RED-LCD.

The request to add these features to the Preview HD-SDI and HDMI outputs is noted.

[Nick Shaw]

We currently support one active monitor port, but can switch which one is active on the fly.

Does that mean only one output is 'live' at any time, or that only one output shows the overlays?

If the former is the case, I assume the word "currently" is key. Presumably in the long term it will be possible for the operator to look through the EVF and other outputs to be used simultaneously so others on set can see the images.

[Michael Morlan]

Although, it's very useful to have only one output changing to false-color on the fly. It could be very disturbing for operator peering through the EVF to have his display snap to another mode because the 1st a.c. is checking his focus on the LCD.

[Fix]

Like I said - I don't think we can ever show that footage. There is a bit of a political, legal ball of S#!*T wrapped around it as it was a TEST for the production campany with a major DP who was shooting 35mm. Regardless, we will be shooting with that production company soon and they ARE interested in press and posting material.

Well thats good news wrapped in bad ones actually. I had a feeling we might see some of it, but no bigy. Seen some good shots until now and I know we will see some more sooner or later. You guys will be one of those sharing and we appreciate it. I respect the company's opinion of not sharing any footage. anyways... bummer :blink:

[SF Geek]

Only one output is unacceptable. I at least need to be able to operate off of the viewfinder or lcd and have a monitor out for the director. I planned on having all three going for many situations.

[Evin Grant]

On both cameras I've shot with the HDMI and HD-SDI both are hot together.

[Shawn Nelson]

in this (Sept 9) firmware build, the 2x magnify focus check works on the RED-LCD, RED-EVF, Preview HD-SDI or HDMI output - i.e. whichever one of those you choose to be your active monitoring output. We currently support one active monitor port, but can switch which one is active on the fly.

Whoa, do you mean those only work on the 720p preview HD-SDI and not the 1080p dual-link HD-SDI? My hope is to use the dual-link in coordination with an HDLink and a 23" Cinema Display as my primary monitor and mostly ignore the 720p HDSDI and HDMI outs.

[Evin Grant]

The 720 is really plenty of res for almost all on set previewing.

[Evan Owen]

Flase colour was a function built in to the original Accuscene EVF was it not? I assume the RED EVF does it with its internal electronics in the same way. Doesn't mean it couldn't be done in the future with the camera's processing, I guess.

It's doing it internally now. The EVF hasn't been released yet, but offhollywood is using false color on the RED LCD regularly. The only limitation is that it can't be (as of yet) used with the HD-SDI preview.

[El_Mariachi94]

Mark sent me some of the frames that he can't publish.

What can I say? I am not easily impressed but this is yet the BEST footage that I've seen coming from a RED ONE.

Amazing detail (I have done the 4k-2k-4k trick and the resolution is clearly higher in the original frame), color rendition, highlight handling.



Pics or it didn't happen. :)

[Alex Wengert]

Like I said - I don't think we can ever show that footage. There is a bit of a political, legal ball of S#!*T wrapped around it as it was a TEST for the production campany with a major DP who was shooting 35mm. Regardless, we will be shooting with that production company soon and they ARE interested in press and posting material.

Was the DP Pierre Rouger?

[donatello b]

"Only one output is unacceptable. I at least need to be able to operate off of the viewfinder or lcd and have a monitor out for the director"

i read it as the "2X magnify " only works on one out put ( of your choice) ..

[Mark Thorpe]

if you tested the calibration of your lenses with a focus chart -

you use a measuring tape (most ACs have cloth measuring tapes) to measure the distance from the subject to the film plane - or in RED's case - the SENSOR PLANE -

to be honset - we have NOT been measuring much - because our tests have been less controlled and more run-and-gun - but we have found our RED 18-50 to be perfectly callibrated - we have had several rented lenses that were "OFF" - so, you can leave that step out - but if you are doing high-end work, check your glass with focus sharts and verify with tape OR laser measure.

Thanks mate.

[chuck colburn]

if you tested the calibration of your lenses with a focus chart -

you use a measuring tape (most ACs have cloth measuring tapes) to measure the distance from the subject to the film plane - or in RED's case - the SENSOR PLANE -

to be honset - we have NOT been measuring much - because our tests have been less controlled and more run-and-gun - but we have found our RED 18-50 to be perfectly callibrated - we have had several rented lenses that were "OFF" - so, you can leave that step out - but if you are doing high-end work, check your glass with focus sharts and verify with tape OR laser measure.

Hi off hollywood,

How far off and what were the lenses that you were using?
And were they passing or shy?

[Mark L. Pederson]

Hi off hollywood,

How far off and what were the lenses that you were using?
And were they passing or shy?

Two primes in a set of 5 Ziess - I remember the 18mm - when set on 30ft skyline was sharp - when set on infinity - skyline was soft - and the skyline was miles away -

we just did some stuff with a set of COOKE S4s - wow - what nice glass ....

[Shawn Nelson]

The 720 is really plenty of res for almost all on set previewing.

But I want to display on a 1080p 42" LCD display for some video village awesomeness. You can tell the difference on a display of that size.

Can anyone confirm if the 1080p HD-SDI displays the same info?

[Joel Kaye]

Two primes in a set of 5 Ziess - I remember the 18mm - when set on 30ft skyline was sharp - when set on infinity - skyline was soft - and the skyline was miles away -


So is that typical? How do the 35mm guys fix that? Send 'em back to Zeiss?

[Michael Schrengohst]

That is what drives me nuts about renting film lenses.
You usually don't have time to shoot tests and check
the focus. So you do rely more on the measuring tape.
At least with a RED you can set-it up and monitor an
HD output and do tests beforehand that you can see
in an instant.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Offhollywood... Have you guys gotten around to filters yet? Like something with subtle diffusion (1/8 black promist)... I know the attitude around here is to do EVERYTHING in post, but alittle diffusion never hurt anybody, right?

Love the images so far by the way. Having alot of fun in photoshop!

[Kjetil Haugen]

Also, offhollywood. I'm very interested in hearing more about your experience with the cooke s4 set.. Have you singled out your favorite glass by now?

[Nick Shaw]

But I want to display on a 1080p 42" LCD display for some video village awesomeness. You can tell the difference on a display of that size.

Can anyone confirm if the 1080p HD-SDI displays the same info?

My impression was that the overlays could only be displayed on the monitor outs, which are permanently set to 720p. The dual link outputs, which can do 1080, are always clean.

But you'll know sooner than most of us Shawn…

[MikeCurtis]

Nick is correct. It breaks down like this:

1.) CURRENTLY, but not the long term plan, only one video output is presently enabled (as of Monday AFAIK). You pick EITHER the HDMI, preview HD-SDI, LCD or EVF. They are all based off of a 720p signal. The game plan is for all to be hot all the time, and you could just turn on/off which you want.

2.) the OUTPUT HD-SDI is not presently functional...but will be soon. THAT one can go 1080p.

3.) Michael Morlan - your understanding is not quite correct, but certainly understandable - "one at a time" was in reference to which output was hot, not which one has false color/etc. The working folks will be looking at a preview HD-SDI, HDMI, EVF or LCD. Clients wanting to see clean output will be looking at a higher resolution OUTPUT HD-SDI. Fortunately, there are two of those if you're working in 4:2:2, so the client can have a 1080p output to see, you should be able to have a 1080p to scrutinize clean, and a 720p with false color and/or zebras for that type of analysis.

But no, you can't have false color ON for the LCD, and OFF for the EVF at the same time. Doesn't work that way.

False color is the shizzle - YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LIGHT METER TO SHOOT WITH RED AND GET GOOD EXPOSURE. It is as simple as that.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks Mike for the scoop!

[bradvr]

False color is helpful, but it will be more helpful once it can be assigned to a button for easy on, easy off. I will try and send a picture later today of what the false color implementation looks like on the RED LCD. BH

[Mark L. Pederson]

False color is helpful, but it will be more helpful once it can be assigned to a button for easy on, easy off. I will try and send a picture later today of what the false color implementation looks like on the RED LCD. BH

AMEN! Yes we want to MAP False Color on/of to a button.

[MikeCurtis]

I would MUCH rather have false color mapped to side button 1 rather than auto white balance. You can get to that feature pretty quickly from the back, but false color is a major drilldown to get there.

Considering that white balance is metadata anyway, I'd rather have 1 be false color and 2 stay the focus zoom in assist.

EVF assignable buttons - THAT will be the way to go.

-mike

[Brook Willard]

I just can't wait until the user buttons are assignable via the camera's software. Then we can all have the best setups for our needs. When the focus assist is enabled, I'm sure the AC will love to be able to enable it with the user button on the LCD.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Also, offhollywood. I'm very interested in hearing more about your experience with the cooke s4 set.. Have you singled out your favorite glass by now?

Cooke S4's are like hot sex.

Offhollywood will buy a set of RED primes for sure, maybe two if they are as clean as I expect. I'm gonna blow too much dough renting Cooke's.

[Mark L. Pederson]

Offhollywood... Have you guys gotten around to filters yet? Like something with subtle diffusion (1/8 black promist)... I know the attitude around here is to do EVERYTHING in post, but alittle diffusion never hurt anybody, right?

Love the images so far by the way. Having alot of fun in photoshop!

I am an ND + POLA guy only. I can diffuse in post. But that's me. And I am not a DP.

[Ryan Sims]

A polarizer can sometimes help knock off the light reflections that highlight skin imperfections. This may be a better option on a beauty shot with RED than diffusion.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Cooke S4's are like hot sex.

Offhollywood will buy a set of RED primes for sure, maybe two if they are as clean as I expect. I'm gonna blow too much dough renting Cooke's.

Are there vast visible differences between zooms and primes, in your experience?


A polarizer can sometimes help knock off the light reflections that highlight skin imperfections. This may be a better option on a beauty shot with RED than diffusion.

Great tip, thanks!