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David Battistella
09-11-2007, 10:53 AM
Hey,

I have been thinking a lot about this and there has been much discussion about how this will work, delivering 720P, 1080 etc. I worry (like many, I am sure) about what the Major Worldwide Networks or other out of town clients want delivered. The requests are all different now, from Beta SP to HDX-900, SDX-900, F-900, HDXD-CAM, etc.

Anyone of these formats can be asked for on any given day but how does RED fit into this world.

PERFECTLY!
Why?
FINAL CUT PRO.

Think about this scenario in the near future:

RED CF drives are placed in the hands of traveling Network producer. He/she has a series of cards for media and one master "network card" with the LUT's for the show.

Producer arrives, LUT's are loaded all is shot RED CF's and the CF cards go in to the bag and back to New York, LA where ever.

The focus is deliverables, not acquisition because the acquisition can not be higher quality than RED (right now), the client takes what they need and they are future proofed as well.

With a careful roll out by RED and Apple I think this norm could be adopted rather quickly (once the camera's are scattered throughout North America and the world).

I think this is the way to sell the technology to the large institutions, the owners and users of RED will need the support of RED at a corporate level rather than owners and operators trying to convince the larger institutions on a client by client basis.


David

Michael Brennan
09-11-2007, 12:55 PM
This idea has merit. BBC developed their own flavour of setup cards for SD and HD cameras , which suited most operators.



Mike Brennan

David Battistella
09-11-2007, 01:13 PM
This idea has merit. BBC developed their own flavour of setup cards for SD and HD cameras , which suited most operators.



Mike Brennan

BBC also went completely FCP a few years back so implementation would be pretty simple. Forget about any PAL and NTSC issues while we are at it too.

David

With full AVID and FCP support they would have a lot of doors covered.

JohnF
09-13-2007, 07:50 AM
The BBC have not switched entirely to FCP as has been reported, they're still using a number of different systems.

Support should include Premiere as well as Avid and FCP.

But the idea of a TV network/client provided LUT's/set-up info is a very good idea!

JohnF

QKruger
09-26-2007, 12:03 AM
As as editor producer etc, whoose only been in the market five years I've been very cautious about investing my hard earned cash on a camera system knowing that it could be obsolete within 2-3 years. I maintain rental agreeements with other owners for SD and HD formats on percentages.

Battistella's idea is the first thing I thought of when I heard about Red. With Red and FCP your always shooting the highest quality and you can spit it out to any format you like. It's Brilliant. I could see this camera having beta style longevity at 4K.

JohnF
09-26-2007, 06:52 AM
Exactly QKruger,

This is the point I make out to a large number of people who question the need for regular 4k EFP/ENG shooting. Not to mention the ability to provide a decent digital zoom/reframing when needed for ENG.

The only real issue is archiving the footage. Roll on write-once long life CF cards!

JohnF

David Battistella
09-26-2007, 11:43 AM
and....

Just imagine that all the betacam shot over the past 20 years was 4K..what would that mean to archiving and future proofing etc.

16mm news film looks a million times better than betacam if re transfered now..

When I worked on a series tracking the history of news called "From Newsreels to Nightly News" we discovered a major problem. The oldest footage looked best because it was shot in 35mm.

People would watch the cuts and say, "That can't be older than that, it looks too good!". So it went 35mm from 1900 on until 16mm came into play, to super 8 and the zapruder film, and eventually to "video" around 1980.

I keep thinking of everything that happened between 1980 and 1995(shuttles, berlin wall, glasnost, velvet revolution, tienemen square). It's all recorded in the worst possible format. (but at least it's recorded)

RED could make a difference for these next 20 years.

but by then we will be shooting 24K or something...start thinking about those sensor upgrades now!

David