Could RED stop upgrading RED ones to M-X?

[XiaoSu Han]

Think about it, it would gain them more customers towards EPIC and keep it more exclusive (until Scarlet comes out and excluding those 600 already upgraded (M-X betatesters))

Wouldn't it make sense if they stopped now and only sell refurbished ones as M-X?

Just a few questions I asked myself while observing that there has been a hiatus in upgrades although it has been stated like 2 weeks ago that the upgrades are going to continue?

[NEIL ANDREW BATES]

Wouldn't be consistant with their 'reward loyalty' philosophy

[Rainer Fritz]

That makes for me no sense, because you are now able to get the benefit of the new sensor with your current red1 and can use your red1 later on when the new models will ship. with the old sensor and new models out, you can put your red1 into the museum. And you dont know when the new models will be available... only when you will held it in your hand... and please trust me, if you shot one time with MX sensor you want to shoot every time with it... the difference is huge!

[Jannard]

No intention to stop upgrading RED ONEs to M-X. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Jim

[Lee Dashiell]

No intention to stop upgrading RED ONEs to M-X. Where do you guys get this stuff?

Jim

That pretty much sums that up. :sifone:

[Andrew Gentle]

Think about it, it would gain them more customers towards EPIC and keep it more exclusive


Now you're thinking like Canon and Sony!

[Blair S. Paulsen]

If you're from the reduce, reuse, recycle philosophy the MX upgrade to the RedOne is a great thing. I can see doing 2 camera shoots with an Epic and an MXed RedOne that I wouldn't imagine doing with an M sensor RedOne and an Epic. Time will tell in terms of any processing advantages Epics might have over RedOne's, but I fully expect to be able to intercut RedOne MX and Epic MX footy.

Higher fps, better form factor, etc are all much desired features on Epic but for a lot of normal speed, day to day shooting on sticks, I expect the RedOne to continue to kick ass - especially as the color science, sensor calibration and other metrics continue to improve. Look at it this way, RED is going to be motivated to continue to make better pictures from the MX sensor since it will be in Epics. By MXing your RedOne you stay onboard the critical development path. Some of the improvements are likely to apply to original M sensor cameras, but, logic suggests, not all.

Just sayin'.

Cheers - #19

[David Battistella]

Time will tell in terms of any processing advantages Epics might have over RedOne's, but I fully expect to be able to intercut RedOne MX and Epic MX footy.
Cheers - #19

Blair,

I agree with the intercut theory. I wonder how the footage will stand up if you shoot 4K R1-MX and 5K EPIC.

Questions I am asking myself:

Would shoot the smaller frame size with EPIC to match the R1?

If I get the proxy module for the EPIC will I still have to create the M-X dailies "later"?

One thing I really hope hope for is backwards compatibility with the PROXY MODULE. That would make creating dallies a thing of the past with all RED cameras.

The proxy module might only be possible with EPIC but a feature like that is going to make the camera VERY attractive to clients because it will mean using EPIC will save them money over using RED M-X.

David

[Andrew Gentle]

One thing I really hope hope for is backwards compatibility with the PROXY MODULE. That would make creating dallies a thing of the past with all RED cameras.

The proxy module might only be possible with EPIC but a feature like that is going to make the camera VERY attractive to clients because it will mean using EPIC will save them money over using RED M-X.

Unfortunately I doubt the One has the data path necessary to implement a proxy module. If it had that uncompressed raw port Jim threatened early on it would probably have been able to.

[Tim Sutherland]

I'm pretty sure the lack of uncompressed RAW port has more to do with the high quality of REDCODE compression and low demand for true uncompressed. However, I would be very surprised to se any form of proxy module for the Red ONE.

[Blair S. Paulsen]

(snip) I wonder how the footage will stand up if you shoot 4K R1-MX and 5K EPIC.

Questions I am asking myself:

Would shoot the smaller frame size with EPIC to match the R1?

If you are doing an actual 4K master for theatrical presentation then the possibility of noticing the intercut is theoretically possible. It is my expectation that with good DI work and a 2K or 1080 finish it will be transparent. Looking forward to testing that theory.


If I get the proxy module for the EPIC will I still have to create the M-X dailies "later"?
David

I am not contending that an MXed RedOne will do everything an Epic does, simply that in the vast majority of shooting situations the footage will intercut seamlessly with proper DI finesse. FWIW a Rocket on set should be able to create offline media pretty fast.

Cheers - #19

[David Battistella]

If you are doing an actual 4K master for theatrical presentation then the possibility of noticing the intercut is theoretically possible. It is my expectation that with good DI work and a 2K or 1080 finish it will be transparent. Looking forward to testing that theory.



I am not contending that an MXed RedOne will do everything an Epic does, simply that in the vast majority of shooting situations the footage will intercut seamlessly with proper DI finesse. FWIW a Rocket on set should be able to create offline media pretty fast.

Cheers - #19

I would only expect EPIC to do and be more than R1. The rocket does a fine job of onset dallies, but that will be less nessesary if one buys the inboard module for 2500 to have them created on the fly.

Well it would be good if rocket could transcode h264 to edit codecs.

David

[michael zaletel]

RED ONE Cameras with MX sensors will be shooting feature films and episodic broadcast television shows for 10+ years. I don't think people yet realize what an enduring tool RED has created on their very first try. The RED-MX shoots 4K at 60fps with over 13 stops of dynamic range and has mounts for just about every lens ever made! Why do people keep talking about museums? The RED ONE does a very specific job very, very well and will continue to do so until we all have 90" 4K flat-panel televisions in our homes. I don't see that happening very soon.

-michael zaletel

[Sanjin Jukic]

Think about it, it would gain them more customers towards EPIC and keep it more exclusive (until Scarlet comes out and excluding those 600 already upgraded (M-X betatesters))

Wouldn't it make sense if they stopped now and only sell refurbished ones as M-X?

Just a few questions I asked myself while observing that there has been a hiatus in upgrades although it has been stated like 2 weeks ago that the upgrades are going to continue?

I can't get what he is talking about!!!???


RED ONE Cameras with MX sensors will be shooting feature films and episodic broadcast television shows for 10+ years. I don't think people yet realize what an enduring tool RED has created on their very first try. The RED-MX shoots 4K at 60fps with over 13 stops of dynamic range and has mounts for just about every lens ever made! Why do people keep talking about museums? The RED ONE does a very specific job very, very well and will continue to do so until we all have 90" 4K flat-panel televisions in our homes. I don't see that happening very soon.

-michael zaletel

Michael,

I totally agree with it.

My RED rig with MX upgrade will be able to beat with its lightweight handheld configuration 11kg/24.2 lbs

(RED EVF, ET Mantis+EasyRig+BeBob Rouge+Sound Devices MixPro+Rode NTG3+RED Drive+ARRI MFF-1, Vocas 4x4 MatteBox, lightweight lenses

Tokina 11-16, Nikon 17-35mm, 35-70mm, 80-200mm all f/2.0, Canon FD L 24mm f/1.4, 50mm L and 85mm L both f/1.2 for available light)

right away any ARRI Alexa or upcoming Aaton Penelope ∆ 4K.

With that R1 rig configuration I can shoot 2 hours non-stop on my shoulder @ 4K 16:9 24fps RC 42 plus audio = 295.65 GB on a single RED Drive.

If somebody can show me another compact digital camera system that can do the same today or even tomorrow I would like to see it.