Base Production Pack Components

[pixeltv]

Update: September 17th.

Hi all,

I have read much the questions of possible configurations of the camera and their accessories.
I believe that this post will help for your buy order:

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If I have an error it without wanting to do it. Please, help me to correct it.
My English does not count...

;-)
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The "Basic production pack" it includes:

A - RED bottom plate.
B - Top Handle.
C - Top mount. (Top mount + Top handle = For use it, you will need more rods).
D - 18" rods (2 units).
E - RED handle (1 unit). (One is sufficient... With your other free hand you can make focus).
F - Shoulder Dovetail.
H - RED cradle (it includes the battery plate).
J - Universal mount. (Here the RED cradle is mounted).

With the Base Production Pack... you save $1,455! (1.050 Euro, 720 GBP aprox).

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1536/redconfig3ve4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Note: To avoid more confusion in this post, I have cleared the image 2. You can see it HERE (http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/206/redconfig2iv7.jpg)

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The LCD monitor and the EVF can be mounted in any place around the camera. You need to use the RED arm (N).
The LCD monitor and the EVF also include cable and the RED arm in each buy.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3007/redconfig4zj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The RED lenses mount directly in the camera (PL mount).
Also you can use lenses PL of cinema of other manufacturers, without adapters.

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For mount of the most ENG/EFP lenses (B4 mount) you need buy the B4 to PL mount adapter (O) ($3,500).
And to use Nikon lenses of photography, also you need to buy another adapter (P) ($500).

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5933/redconfig5ub2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

In the RED cradle (H), you can mount the RED drive RAID (Q) or the Flash drive (R).
Also you mount here the battery RED BRICK 140Wh (S).

Q - RED Drive RAID 320 GB ($900)
R - RED Flash Drive 64 GB ($4.500)
S - RED BRICK 140Wh ($450 each)

And to complete (today) your RED, you can use a RED FLASH (CF) Module (U) and the COMPACT FLASH 8GB (T).

T - RED COMPACT FLASH 8GB ($199)
U - RED FLASH (CF) Module ($500)

Note: Product Warranty is not available for Digital Media and Batteries. (http://www.red.com/terms)

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You can use the RED Cheese Plate to directly mount the camera in a tripod, and can add the Universal Mount for the Rod.
The Universal mount (J) can be mounted in the RED cheese plate to use rods and to mount here the RED cradle, the RED handles...
...the follow focus systems and much more.

Note: You will need the Bolt Set.

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2545/redconfig1cn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

With the RED Base Production Pack, you do not need other accessories for mount the camera in the tripod, a Jib or a Steadicam.

Standard Warranty – A Standard Warranty is granted to the original purchaser for a period of twelve (12) months,
parts and labor, for the camera and camera accessories excluding Digital Media and Batteries.

All images are copyright of RED (http://www.red.com/store)

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Greetings!

PTV

[fightordie]

Beautiful job.

Does anyone know if the top handle (b) in the basic production pack is able to mount without the rod connecter. Is it able to mount directly to the body like the other top handle (i) without rods on top.

[Martin Drew]

Good work. It makes it that much easier to piece everything together

Cheers

M

[Ken Willinger]

I don't think the cheeseplate is in the basic production package...just the base plate.

[Marcus Lundahl]

What is the purpose of the cheeseplate?

Thanks in advance!

[Dominique Grenier]

What is the purpose of the cheeseplate?

Thanks in advance!

Guessing here, but a super charged Universal Mount ?

[chuck colburn]

What is the purpose of the cheeseplate?

Thanks in advance!

That's the serving after dinner with a different wine... or it's a plate to allow different mounting configurations...I think.

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Best is the SWISS cheese plate :tongue:

[Marcus Lundahl]

: ) I also guess that it is for mounting different accessories, but where is the cheeseplate supposed to go... I haven't yet seen it on a pic I think...

[Billy Summers]

What is the purpose of the cheeseplate?

Thanks in advance!

Mounting to a crane!

Or Camera car etc.

[Marcus Lundahl]

Ok... After some five cheese jokes or so... I think I get it! : )

[Sean R.]

Cheesplate is not in Basic Prod. Pack. it is used as a multi-purpose mounting points for various mounting solutions. Top handle connects to top mount which is attached directly to the top of the camerahttp://www.red.com/image/path/69/small/602010.jpg?1189353963

[Sean R.]

You can also leave (G) the battery plate out of the Basic. prod. pack order because that is already included on the cradle. Nice work though pixletv.

[Dexter Gregoire]

This should be a sticky. Nice work.

Fine tune it.

What Parts in the Old Premium Production Pack not in the Basic Production Pack.
And
What parts in the Prague setup not in the Basic Production Pack.

This will give us a good idea of what we need.

[Corrado Silveri]

Do the necessary correction and make this a sticky!

Thanks 1000 times....

Corrado.

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

great initiative!

[chuck colburn]

Cheesplate is not in Basic Prod. Pack. it is used as a multi-purpose mounting points for various mounting solutions. Top handle connects to top mount which is attached directly to the top of the camerahttp://www.red.com/image/path/69/small/602010.jpg?1189353963

Might be good for the "low mode" steadicam guys.

[HD Hildebrand]

Good job.

Question - what if someone mounts a few things at once (ie the EVF, monitor, mic, or what ever), how can this best be done on the basic pkg? Would you also need the side handle and/or universal mount to mount on and if so, would you also need top rails (at what length) and an additional top mount?

Also, what length are the rails that come with the basic pkg?

Cheers,
Dale

[pixeltv]

Also, what length are the rails that come with the basic pkg?
Dale

The basic pack it includes two rods of 18".

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/35

PTV

[Rick Darge]

I've been waiting for something like this! Thanks so much!

[Häakon]

You're also missing a top mount, which is included in the basic package.

The diagram is a nice help for those who need a piece-by-piece breakdown, but I don't think this should be made sticky until the picture is fixed... there are still a couple of errors.

[Poi Boy]

Very helpfull, thanks.
Aloha
-A

[Sean]

I needed this information! Thank you! You could even add that the Red Arm attaches to the top handle (as an option in addition to attaching to the side handle and universal mount). Notice how Jim Jannard's Prague camera mounted the LCD directly to the top handle. I liked that.

[Sean]

Is this talking about a shoulder mount configuration? Or would it also be a tripod mount configuration (I'm wondering if you continue to use the dovetail shoulder piece even when tripod mounted).

[ericyoung]

Great stuff - obviously a fair bit of work!

Think you're gonna run out of alphabet soon though if RED introduces more accessories!

Thanks PTV!

[S. Um]

This explains a lot. Looks like that basic production pack is a great deal. Thanks pixeltv.

[b e n t o n]

Great Job - Thanks,
J

[Häakon]

Looks great now. I'll make this a sticky due to popular request and information for everyone.

[Greg M]

Thanks!

btw- in the first diagram shouldnt "G" be removed?

[pixeltv]

btw- in the first diagram shouldnt "G" be removed?


Hi digitalfx,

It is for showing the component that is included in the pack. It already comes. It is not necessary to buy again.

Cheers!

[Seung Han]

This is now my fourth favorite thread.

Could have saved me a lot of grief earlier. Thnx!

[Adrian T.]

great job! Thanks! :)

[Jack Wester]

What exactly would I need to fit an O'Connor 2060HD head with a RedOne?

Should I get the O'Connor Large Euro Quick Release with 120mm camera mounting plate (2575-120)?

[pixeltv]

Should I get the O'Connor Large Euro Quick Release with 120mm camera mounting plate (2575-120)?


Hi Jack,

Your O'Connor quick release have a screw 3/8"...
You can mount here the cheese plate, or the shoulder dovetail (RED includes it in the basic production pack)...

...and enjoy!

Cheers,

PTV

[Damien Molineaux]

Update: September 12th.

Hi all,

I have read much the questions of possible configurations of the camera and their accessories. I believe that this post will help for your buy order:

-------------------------------
If I have an error it without wanting to do it. Please, help me to correct it.
My English does not count...

;-)
-------------------------------

The "Basic production pack" it includes:

A - RED bottom plate.
B - Top Handle (To use it, it is needed to buy more rods, and sides handles (K) $200 each).
C - Top mount.
D - 18" rods (2 units).
E - RED handle (1 unit). (One is sufficient... With your other free hand you can make focus).
F - Shoulder Dovetail.
G - Battery plate.
H - RED cradle (it includes the battery plate).
J - Universal mount. (Here the RED cradle is mounted).

With the Base Production Pack... you save $1,455! (1.055 Euro aprox)


http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4605/pixeltvredconfig1hd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

For a more complete configuration, you can use:

B - Top handle
I - Top handle ext. ($175)
J - Universal mount ($100 each). Only you need purchase one, for use the Top Handle Ext (I). Other already brings the Basic Production Pack.
K - Side handle ($200 each)

The Universal mount (J) can be mounted underneath the RED cheese plate to use rods and to mount here the RED cradle, the RED handles... the follow focus systems and much more.

Note_1: You will need the bolt Set ($9)
Note_2: Also you will need another rods (between $20 and $55 additional)

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Hi PixelTV,

Nice job, but I spot a few mistakes. I had a chance to closely examine the accessories at IBC, right after they published the accessories list.

First off, on your first diagram, as many have already pointed out, I think it's confusing, why is the BATTERY PLATE (G) represented since it is included with the RED CRADLE ?

More importantly, on your second diagram you are showing UNIVERSAL MOUNTS, supposedly attached to the top of the camera, that is not the case ! The TOP HANDLE and TOP HANDLE EXT. are mounted on two TOP MOUNTS, and the SIDE HANDLES attach directly to the rods and don't require UNIVERSAL MOUNTS. On that configuration there are no UNIVERSAL MOUNTS on the top of the camera !

That's it, the rest is great, good job.

To answer FIGHTORDIE, you need the TOP MOUNT to attach the TOP HANDLE (B), but that's all you need, no rods are required. To attach the TOP HANDLE EXT. (I) you need a second TOP MOUNT, but no upper rods required.

Cheers,
Damien

[pixeltv]

Hi earthling,

First figure:

You can read again the text: H - RED cradle (it includes the battery plate).
The battery plate (G) is in the first photo to show it better. With the base pack, only an unit it is delivery.

Second figure:

The side handles don't require universal mounts.

Please. Read the text again. It does not say that you need two units of universal mount for hold side handles:

J - Universal mount ($100 each). Only you need purchase one, for use the Top Handle Ext (I). Other already brings the Basic Production Pack.

Both universal mounts is for the top handles, and one already comes in the base production pack.

And three: YES you need the pair of top rods.

How you will mount the side handles...?

Cheers!

PTV

[Ramesh Jai]

That's the serving after dinner with a different wine...

I knew that was coming..(smiley)

[I Bloom]

In the RED Store it is not detailed that the EVF has another arm, and the cable includes it in the price (?).

In the worse case:

N - RED arm ($120)
EVF cable: $180 (?)


Does the EVF include an arm and cable?

[Greg M]

Hi digitalfx,

It is for showing the component that is included in the pack. It already comes. It is not necessary to buy again.

Cheers!

Yes, but that is a separate part...the part labeled "H" has the battery plate included. Its confusing the way you show it. I would suggest removing "G"

[pixeltv]

Does the EVF include an arm and cable?


Hi ibloom,

The RED store does not say it. Perhaps yes… Perhaps no.

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/37

PTV

[tj williams]

EVF cable is on the next page $180

[Adam C Lubkin]

Hi earthling,

First figure:

You can read again the text: H - RED cradle (it includes the battery plate).
The battery plate (G) is in the first photo to show it better. With the base pack, only an unit it is delivery.

Second figure:

The side handles don't require universal mounts.

Please. Read the text again. It does not say that you need two units of universal mount for hold side handles:

J - Universal mount ($100 each). Only you need purchase one, for use the Top Handle Ext (I). Other already brings the Basic Production Pack.

Both universal mounts is for the top handles, and one already comes in the base production pack.

And three: YES you need the pair of top rods.

How you will mount the side handles...?

Cheers!

PTV

PTV, Damien is saying you don't need the rods to mount the top handle and top handle extension if you're not using the side handles, but you do need the rods to mount the side handles. So he's not disagreeing with you on those counts. He is correct about the use of the top mounts rather than universal mounts to attach the top handle and extension. There's no way to attach the universal mount directly to the top of the camera. They only mount onto the rods. BTW, thanks for doing the diagram - great job.
Adam

[Adam C Lubkin]

Does the EVF include an arm and cable?

According to Sean it does:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4478

[PaulClements]

Hi,

It was confirmed recently that the EVF and LCD both include arm and cable.

Paul

[pixeltv]

Hi,

The Sticky it was corrected today.

Thanks to all!

Greetings,

PTV

[Damien Molineaux]

Hi earthling,

First figure:

You can read again the text: H - RED cradle (it includes the battery plate).
The battery plate (G) is in the first photo to show it better. With the base pack, only an unit it is delivery.

Second figure:
Hi PixelTV, I just said I thought it was confusing. If the purpose is to understand what composes the basic prod package, I wouldn't put the battery plate twice, that's all. You have made it a little more clear now though.



The side handles don't require universal mounts.

Please. Read the text again. It does not say that you need two units of universal mount for hold side handles:

J - Universal mount ($100 each). Only you need purchase one, for use the Top Handle Ext (I). Other already brings the Basic Production Pack.

Both universal mounts is for the top handles, and one already comes in the base production pack.

And three: YES you need the pair of top rods.

How you will mount the side handles...?

Cheers!

PTV

I didn't say you needed UNIVERSAL MOUNTS for the SIDE HANDLES, I'm saying that on your second diagram, the camera shown does NOT have UNIVERSAL MOUNTS on the top of the camera. To attach either the TOP HANDLE EXT. or rods to the top of the camera, you need a second TOP MOUNT !

You cannot attach UNIVERSAL MOUNTS to the top of the camera, unless you've put rods in the first place, which requires TWO TOP MOUNTS. The TOP HANDLE EXT. does not attach itself to a UNIVERSAL MOUNT. Believe me, I've been looking into this very closely. Check again, you are misleading people.

Cheers,
Damien

edit : I posted before seeing adaml's response... (and I'd forgotten to include the ...)

[pixeltv]

Check again, you are misleading people.


Peace,... brother

PTV

[Greg M]

Pixel, thanks for the work putting this together. I still think its a mistake to show the battery plate in the first image. It is an optional part sold for a different purpose...yes it is confusing. Why dont you just add the words "includes battery plate" under Part H.

also in the second image you are showing the Top Handle "B" again, but its already included in the Basic Production Pack.

just my .02

[Damien Molineaux]

Peace,... brother

PTV

amen brother...

great job, (I think you should put the image 2 back in now that it's correct)

Cheers,
Damien

edit : PS just another small tiny weany comment about the second image, you don't need the rods for the top mounts, but you do need the top mounts for the rods.

[tj williams]

Pixel or RED Crew:
Regarding the store catalog:

There is a RED quick plate which clearly is for mounting the battery without the drop in magazine. What then is the "quick plate" at the bottom of the page. Does this function to somehow mount the RED quick plate to the camera? what does it do and how does it work?

What is a "Focus Hook Set"?

There is a "15mm adapter" it looks like it adapts to light weight support ie 15mm 60mm ctr like Chrozeil Petroff use? if this is so then where is the 15mm 100mm ctr. Arri style rod adapter? Or maybe thats it, then where is the light weight support 15mm rod adapter?

There is a "Red top mount" $250, Is it the same height as the handle mount included with the basic production pack so that by removing the two screws in the top of the handle base taking off the round handle I will have an attacment point for low mode steadicam work using only one additional top mount?

[Greg M]

Focus Hook set is to attach a tape to aid in measuring distance for ac

[Paul Hazlett]

Friggin Awesome, just what the doctor ordered.....along with the cheeseplate

[Joel Kaye]

Pixel, thanks for the work putting this together. I still think its a mistake to show the battery plate in the first image. It is an optional part sold for a different purpose...yes it is confusing. Why dont you just add the words "includes battery plate" under Part H.

Does anyone know if you can remove the battery plate from the cradle. If so, can you mount the battery plate to the camera or rods somehow?

[Adam C Lubkin]

Does anyone know if you can remove the battery plate from the cradle. If so, can you mount the battery plate to the camera or rods somehow?

Yeah, it seems that there should be a cheaper Red Quickplate that doesn't include the battery plate and cable, for people who already have those. Perhaps that one of the options that they haven't had a chance to list yet?

[Damien Molineaux]

Pixel or RED Crew:
Regarding the store catalog:

There is a RED quick plate which clearly is for mounting the battery without the drop in magazine. What then is the "quick plate" at the bottom of the page. Does this function to somehow mount the RED quick plate to the camera? what does it do and how does it work?

Hi TJ,
You're talking about the QUICK PLATE ADAPTOR. I asked Brian Ferguson at the Red booth at IBC about that, but he didn't know. I'm guessing it just allows more mounting option for the RED QUICKPLATE since it only has one hinge (verses the cradle which has two), but it certainly isn't necessary as has been shown by Jim on Prague.



What is a "Focus Hook Set"?

That's been answered already.



There is a "15mm adapter" it looks like it adapts to light weight support ie 15mm 60mm ctr like Chrozeil Petroff use? if this is so then where is the 15mm 100mm ctr. Arri style rod adapter? Or maybe thats it, then where is the light weight support 15mm rod adapter?

The 15MM ADAPTOR is the light weight one, there is also an ARRI 15MM BASE, see here : http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/43



There is a "Red top mount" $250, Is it the same height as the handle mount included with the basic production pack so that by removing the two screws in the top of the handle base taking off the round handle I will have an attacment point for low mode steadicam work using only one additional top mount?

There is only one type of TOP MOUNT, so yes they are the same, and you could use a second one to do the above.

All this info comes from close observation and asking question at IBC where they had quite a few of the spare parts on exhibit and printed lists of all the others.

Cheers,
Damien

[Mike]

This should be a sticky. Nice work.

Fine tune it.

What Parts in the Old Premium Production Pack not in the Basic Production Pack.
And
What parts in the Prague setup not in the Basic Production Pack.

This will give us a good idea of what we need.


I second that. Especially on the Prague setup.

By the way, the cable that comes with the purchase of the EVF and LCD, how long is it?

And how long is the cable that is currently sold seperately ? I remember it was about 10 feet, but from the visual it looks pretty short.

Any ideas?

[tj williams]

aaaah tape hook! Thanks for the clarifications. So if 18" rods come with the basic kit and I have a top handle and a second top mount above then what rod length is used at the top to simply go from end to end of the mount travel on the top of the body?

[Adam C Lubkin]

aaaah tape hook! Thanks for the clarifications. So if 18" rods come with the basic kit and I have a top handle and a second top mount above then what rod length is used at the top to simply go from end to end of the mount travel on the top of the body?

12" rods

[Milan Nikolic]

Thanks PIXELTV for your informative work. Now, if I want to use RED ONE only with LCD and CF (to make it light) how I would connect the battery to the body of camera?

[Jon McCoy]

Marvelous job PTV!!

To the Red folks - it'd be nice if the descriptions on the store could be added, a few alternate pictures would be nice too...

[Damien Molineaux]

Originally Posted by Dexter Gregoire
This should be a sticky. Nice work.

Fine tune it.

What Parts in the Old Premium Production Pack not in the Basic Production Pack.
And
What parts in the Prague setup not in the Basic Production Pack.

This will give us a good idea of what we need.


I second that. Especially on the Prague setup.

By the way, the cable that comes with the purchase of the EVF and LCD, how long is it?

And how long is the cable that is currently sold seperately ? I remember it was about 10 feet, but from the visual it looks pretty short.

Any ideas?

First off, not all parts of the Prague setup are listed on red.com, specifically the part holding the LCD and carbon fiber rods, but you can use steel instead.

Other than that, to have a similar setup, in addition to the Basic Prod Pkg you would need :

One, or two, additional TOP MOUNTS, I say one or two, because you could use a UNIVERSAL MOUNT instead, which would acutally be better, to attach the battery.
A RED QUICK PLATE
A TOP HANDLE EXT.
TWO 12" rods
The RED LCD, which comes with a red arm instead of the tube mount shown on the Prague setup
A FF and Mattebox of your choice

And if you don't want to get the Basic Prod Pkg, you need :
A RED BOTTOM PLATE
TWO 18" rods
A SHOULDER DOVE TAIL, OR RED CHEESE PLATE
A TOP MOUNT
A TOP HANDLE

Which any way you do it adds up to more than the Basic Prod Pkg and you don't even have the RED CRADLE !

Cheers,
Damien

[Paul Wizikowski]

BIG QUESTION
How much of this is or will be ready by the end of the month. I am under the gun to know how much we're gonna need to pay the day #76 is ready. Any amount of info will help. (It can be difficult to line up this kind of money last minute so I'm trying to stay a head of the game)

Thanks in advance

[Paul Wizikowski]

"This" being the Basic production pack and ALL accessories.

[Gary McClurg]

Here's an idea of a package I was putting together....

1. Red Body
2. Base Production Pack... (I like the one they dropped better)
3. EVF
4. LCD
5. EVF cable
6. LCD cable
7. Nikon mount
8. Arm
9. Battery Pack
10. 2 Power chargers with 4 bricks
11. 2 extra bricks
12. Flash Module
13. 9 CF cards
14. Shoulder Brace

I'm at $31,196.00

I thought there was a Canon mount also...

On the cable length I thought they were longer before also... or was it two different cables listed...

Wondering if I missed any toys... yeah of course... but toys that I really need...

[Sean R.]

Your EVF and LCD are going to come with a RED arm and applicable cables. So the only reason I can see for ordering additional RED Arms are for back-ups.

[b e n t o n]

Could you repost the images please?
I doughnut see notin

[Rocco Schult]

Your EVF and LCD are going to come with a RED arm and applicable cables. So the only reason I can see for ordering additional RED Arms are for back-ups.

There should be so many uses of additonal stuff. It could be a converter, wireless video tap etc...

[jamesratnarajah]

Hi PixelTV,

Seems that the images for your diagrams have gone down

James

[david farland]

Me too....I'm using XP/IE6 and see white squares instead of diagrams

[Damien Molineaux]

Yes its seems the images are down, however Brook has added pictures and descriptions of most of the accessories in the Red One FAQ starting at post #4 :
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1487

Cheers,
Damien

[zak forrest]

what is the quickplate adaptor?

i assume the store will eventually have comprehensive descriptions of the items like brooks faq?

[Harmonica]

All I'm seeing is white, as well. Tried both win/explorer, mac/firefox...

[roryhinds]

same here

[wedowee]

Looks like the imageshack hosting may have expired for the images.

[Kip Hewitt]

Hi. Is there any way we can get the pictures back up in the Basic Production Package Sticky? I am suddenly in desperate need of this wonderful resource.

Thank you.

[david farland]

I pm'd Pixeltv re pics and am waiting to hear back.

This was a great & essential resource for ordering.

Can Red help with something similiar?

Help!!!!!!!!!

[Ryan Erwin]

David Farland-

You can still access Pixel Tv's shots at:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=83252&postcount=35

I believe there is something similar in the works for the RED.com site. I would expect to see it online in a few more weeks.

More detailed descriptions for the RED Store are also in the works.

[david farland]

Great help Ryan ...thanks

[Max Zug]

Here's how I am configuring my Red Pkg. in terms of accessories.
I'll post it to get feedback and possibly help others sort through the mass of accessories and combinations and configure the accessory package. The cool thing about Red (well one of them, anyway) is that there will be more than one way to do the same thing in terms of mounting and accessories. It's flexibility can add confusion, but ultimately will be amazing.

For Studio Mode

I am buying the Basic Production Package
Adding the 19mm Arri Adaptor.
This will allow me to use the Arri base plate from my SRII package to attach to a tripod. For those of you familiar with the Arri System you know what I'm talking about. For those of you unfamiliar and would like to employ the system, Filmtools has an updated plate here -- http://www.filmtools.com/arri-baseplate.html
Note the notches in the bottom of the Arri Adaptor and the ridges on the baseplate. They fit together. The system allows you to quickly slide the camera off your head. The Arri base plate stays on the head while the Arri Adaptor stays on the camera. It's larger and a bit more flexible than just attaching your head's dovetail plate to the Red bottom plate in that it lets you slide the rig forward or backward for balance. Not neccessary, but helpful

This allows me to attach a 19mm Matte Box -- I'm using the ARRI MB20II
And a studio follow focus -- Any suggestions? I have an older series Arri and would like t upgrade it.


My guess is I'll need the 24" rods by the time I mount the cradle and battery off the back and the matte box and follow focus on the front. Especially when using a longer lens. The carbon fibre rods are now listed on the site -- no pictures yet. I plan on ordering the carbon fibre just for the sex appeal.

That will get me there as a basic studio rig.

But to supercharge the studio rig and leave me plenty of options for mounting accessories and placing my LCD in the optimum place I am also ordering

1 top mount
the top handle extender
a set of 12 inch rods
Four side handles


If you look at the photo tour. This configuration is the second to last photo. Same Matte Box, same Follow Focus.


Lightweight Cinema Handheld Mode

I am adding the Arri 15mm Adaptor
* Note -- presently you can only access the various Arri adaptor plates by clicking the adaptor plate in the store. You will then see the link to the other size
This will allow me to use an already owned Arri light-weight follow focus
And either my Arri Clip-on Mattebox (I think it's an LMB-2 -- the LMB 5 is the newer version) or a lighter Chroziel that I own.

Then add the Quickplate that will allow me to mount the battery closer to the camera. It looks like one of the universal adaptors slides over the rods at the rear and the Quickplate attaches to it. I plan on ordering a few universal adaptors. I can also justify that left handle here for when I'm shooting something ultra-wide and need a bit more front stability and control. Remember the shot from Sharkguy with the Century 6mm?

This rig will work well for Steadicam.
For underslung modes I'll lose the handles on the top. Mount two universal adaptors on the top rails. This means adding a second top mount. Then mount the cheese plate to the universal adaptor and you have a zillion holes in which to mount.

Finally for ENG
I'll remove my Arri adaptor and return to the bottom plate
Mount the shoulder Dovetail to that and I'm set.
My guess is the bottom plate is set for 19mm rods.
An alternative would be to mount the cheese plate in place of the bottom plate. Attach the shoulder dovetail to that and attach the 15mm rod adaptor to the cheeseplate in the front. This allows me to use the lighter weight Follow Focus and Mattebox. This should give me enough room to mount the Quick plate adaptor to the rear for the battery. I'll use the CF module and cards in the configuration.

So that's what I plan on doing.
I'd appreciate any feedback on anything I plan that seems wacky or over complicated. Thought it might help everyone to think out loud.

max
www.maxfilms.com

[Greg M]

I hope your not planning on using Cine lenses with the FF5. The FF5 is for video lenses.

[Max Zug]

Thanks Digitalfx. I hadn't realized the FF-5 was spec'd for cine lenses with smaller diameter barrels. I have an older Arri Follow focus and would like to upgrade it for my Red package. What would you suggest? I do plan to use it with a set of Zeiss Superspeeds (original Mk I fitted with gears and PL about 10 years ago), A Zeiss 10-100 converted to PL, and a few other 16 lenses that were previously converted to PL.

I also have the deposit on the Red 18-50 zoom and the prime set

thanks,
max

[chuck colburn]

I hope your not planning on using Cine lenses with the FF5. The FF5 is for video lenses.

You can use the FF5 with smaller cine lenses as it accepts all the Arri follow focus gears. It also has it's own dedicated snapon (tooless) 15mm rod to 19mm rod adapter.

[Greg M]

You can use the FF5 with smaller cine lenses as it accepts all the Arri follow focus gears. It also has it's own dedicated snapon (tooless) 15mm rod to 19mm rod adapter.

just because it uses the same gears does not mean it will work properly...be careful, it wont work on Ultra Primes...I'm sure Super Speeds will have the same issues.

1. the arm is too long and does not reach the lenses properly.
2. You have to rotate the knob twice as far to focus
3. Arri clip-on matte box will not fit with several lenses when using FF5.

I returned mine and got the FF4 which works perfectly.

btw- the FF4 uses a similar 19mm adapter, though it doesn't look as cool and it requires a bolt to attach,- once attached you can use both 15mm lw and 19mm interchangeably...honestly though unless you are hand-held, a follow focus on 15mm rods is not ideal.

[Max Zug]

I returned mine and got the FF4 which works perfectly.



Where did you get yours? I have an order worked up by Stan at Filmtools. They list the FF-5 but not the 4. Also, are you saying the FF4 comes standard as 15mm and needs the adapter for 19mm? Does the adaptor bolt onto the bottom and leave the holes for 15mm?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/maxzug/Red/FF4.jpg

max

[Kevin Lang]

...honestly though unless you are hand-held, a follow focus on 15mm rods is not ideal.

I agree with you about that, 19mm was a rare thing to find now that I have all 15mm support gear Red comes in with 19mm which is a nice heavier way to go I am sure with 5000 cameras coming out with 19mm it will become the standard everywhere.

[Greg M]

Where did you get yours? I have an order worked up by Stan at Filmtools. They list the FF-5 but not the 4. Also, are you saying the FF4 comes standard as 15mm and needs the adapter for 19mm? Does the adaptor bolt onto the bottom and leave the holes for 15mm?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/maxzug/Red/FF4.jpg

max

yes, your photo is the ff4 and that shows exactly how it is set up for 19mm rods.

But note that 15mm rods can be configured two ways, LW (lightweight) which is the spacing in the holes above or the same spacing as the 19mm rods which requires another $600 adapter.

Generally I only use the two set-ups in the photo. LW or Studio...but the FF4 is a heavy beast if you are trying to build a LW rig.

[Max Zug]

yes, your photo is the ff4 and that shows exactly how it is set up for 19mm rods.

But note that 15mm rods can be configured two ways, LW (lightweight) which is the spacing in the holes above or the same spacing as the 19mm rods which requires another $600 adapter.

Generally I only use the two set-ups in the photo. LW or Studio...but the FF4 is a heavy beast if you are trying to build a LW rig.

I would agree it would be very heavy for a lightweight 15mm set-up. I have an Arri Liteweight that I've used on my SRII for many years and hope to use it for the handheld and liteweight stuff.

Can I ask you another question? You seem to have already headed down the path I am on. What focal length Ultra Primes did you buy? Was there a considerable price differential between the Masteprimes and UPs? I take it from your review you actually liked the look of the Ultraprimes over the Masterprimes. I am in the unenviable position of owning a set of MkI superspeeds and not being able to find a set of MkIIIs. I have a deposit on a set of Red Primes. I'm considering selling the the MkIs, dropping the reservation on the Red,s and biting the bullet on a new set of primes. It puts the day rate on my package higher -- and I only plan to rent this package to my own shoots. Why did you choose to upgrade?

max

[Greg M]

I have a full set:
Arri Zeiss Ultra Prime 12mm T2
• Arri Zeiss16mm UltraPrime T1.9
• Arri Zeiss 24mm UltraPrime LDS T1.9
• Arri Zeiss 32mm UltraPrime LDS T1.9
• Arri Zeiss 50mm UltraPrime T1.9
• Arri Zeiss 85mm UltraPrime T1.9
• Arri Zeiss 135mm UltraPrime T1.9

I have owned these for awhile as we shoot most of our TV spots on 35mm or w/ Pro35 adapter. The lenses paid for themselves in rental savings long ago.

I didnt even consider the Master primes as I like the look of the Ultras better, besides the masters are too heavy.

You wont be dissapointed w/ Ultra primes but only if you shoot enough to justify the cost....otherwise you are better of renting.

[Michael Lindsay]

Hi

Nice set!! Unusual to see a 12mm outside of a dedicated camera hire house

We spoke a little via PM... Do the LDS contacts marry correctly with your RED and is there any Meta data available today?

regards

Michael

PS Remember me if you decide to upgrade your non-lds..

PPS Arri hasn't got back to me.

[Greg M]

I assume the contact mate...have not actually looked.

I did not see any data on the lens though.

[Max Zug]

PPS Arri hasn't got back to me.

Nor me.
max

[Milan Nikolic]

I do not see the images on my PC! What is wrong?

[Damien Molineaux]

Well, I don't know if PixelTV is still around. But since he hasn't put his pictures back up, here are elements which compose the Base Production Pack.

Cheers,
Damien

[Nonsense]

why dont i see the pics that are posted on this page?

[Adrian T.]

why dont i see the pics that are posted on this page?

Nobody sees them. Blame imageshack.us (http://imageshack.us/)...

[Damien Molineaux]

why dont i see the pics that are posted on this page?

Apparently the pics were links off a server, and something was changed on that server. It's been months, so I put up the above diagram for a start. If you have any specific questions or diagrams you would like, I'd be glad to help.

Cheers,
Damien

[Gopher77]

I need some advice. I'm placing a request at my school for two reds and a full lens set (two zoom lens, the prime set and the 300mm). I really only have one shot at this so I want to make sure I have a complete configuration. This is what I have so far.

Item
2 Red One Body
2 Base Production Pack
2 Red LCD
1 Red EVF
1 Red Power Pack
2 Red Brick
2 Red flash Module
4 Compact Falsh

1 Red 18-50 Zoom
1 Red 50-150 Zoom
1 Red 300mm Prime
1 Red Prime Set

The cameras will be used primarily in a sound stage, but may go out (with instructor supervision) in the field. I'd like the full cage around the camera, I think that would help thier preservation around students. What other pieces do I need?

Also we will be mounting matte boxes and follow focuses on the camera, do I need longer rods?

Is there an advantage to having the disk drives as well as falsh modules?

Also I need hand held capability, what other pieces do I need for that?

What tripods would you guys recommend? I've been looking at Miller's, Cartoni's, OConnor and Satchler.

We're considering a steadicam setup any recommendation?

Finally video village setup I really have no clue here, will a Panasonic HD monitor suffice or is there more I need to consider?

I have found bits and pieces of this info in various threads but now that the cameras have been on the streets for a while I was hoping for some updated info.

Thanks Guys and Gals,
Gopher

[Cüneyt Kaya]

I need some advice. I'm placing a request at my school for two reds and a full lens set (two zoom lens, the prime set and the 300mm). I really only have one shot at this so I want to make sure I have a complete configuration. This is what I have so far.

Item
2 Red One Body
2 Base Production Pack
2 Red LCD
1 Red EVF
1 Red Power Pack
2 Red Brick
2 Red flash Module
4 Compact Falsh

1 Red 18-50 Zoom
1 Red 50-150 Zoom
1 Red 300mm Prime
1 Red Prime Set

The cameras will be used primarily in a sound stage, but may go out (with instructor supervision) in the field. I'd like the full cage around the camera, I think that would help thier preservation around students. What other pieces do I need?

Also we will be mounting matte boxes and follow focuses on the camera, do I need longer rods?

Is there an advantage to having the disk drives as well as falsh modules?

Also I need hand held capability, what other pieces do I need for that?

What tripods would you guys recommend? I've been looking at Miller's, Cartoni's, OConnor and Satchler.

We're considering a steadicam setup any recommendation?

Finally video village setup I really have no clue here, will a Panasonic HD monitor suffice or is there more I need to consider?

I have found bits and pieces of this info in various threads but now that the cameras have been on the streets for a while I was hoping for some updated info.

Thanks Guys and Gals,
Gopher

1. if you use different lenses and configurations, it would be good to have the 24" rods.

2. Drives: 320 GB ---- 2hrs of 4k redcode raw, but dangerous in shaky situations

3.
Handheld:1. red handle mount, left handle , universal mount
2. zacuto stuff

4. there was a o`connor group buy here
5. steadycam: people used, just a few, so you gotta search in the forum
you will need some extra cable, if i am not wrong
take a look to action cam:
http://actionproducts.ch/en/actioncam/red-edition.html

6. video village-- dont know


what to order more:
if 15 mm based MB and FF: 15 mm Adaptor and a UNIVERSAL MOUNT
Focus Hook Set
Bolt set ( Allen key included)
safety: esata cable, lcd or evf cable ( they are the same actually)
more batteries, better for 2 reds: 3 chargers + 6 batteries: batteries run for 90 min. loads 80 % in 120 min., loads full in 200 min.
ac adaptor
more cf cards: these are the cheapest parts, dont be stingy
cheeseplate
top mount+ top handle ext. + 2x 12"cf rods: cool low angle shots

for cf cards: use lexar cf card readers, or nexto cf storage solution
2 sidehandles: mount the cam in crazy places


red will offer a MB, cheaper REDROCK MB, or ARRI MB20
element technica will have some cool 3rd party things
severel breakout boxes will be offered,

[Charles Perkins]

hi,
does the red drive come with the eSATA cable?

[Damien Molineaux]

hi,
does the red drive come with the eSATA cable?

For connection to the camera (not to a PC), yes. Connection to a computer is via firewire (both 400 and 800 I believe) and USB2.

Cheers,
Damien

[Cüneyt Kaya]

here you have the pictures that were missing

[Cüneyt Kaya]

and part two...