Step, turn & sexy

[Evin Grant]

These will be the last clips I post before we finish shooting tomorrow morning.

First "step" 18-50mm T3 Red WFO
http://www.reduser.net/evin/step.jpg
http://www.freehillproductions.com/RED1/step.mov
Ctrl Clicl to download.

Next "turn" 85mm T1.3 Zeiss SS @ T2
http://www.reduser.net/evin/turn.jpg
http://www.freehillproductions.com/RED1/turn.mov
Ctrl Clicl to download.

Lastly, and my favorite, "sexy" Zeiss 35mm T1.3 @T2
http://www.reduser.net/evin/sexy.jpg
http://www.freehillproductions.com/RED1/sexy.mov
Ctrl Clicl to download.

Again a big shout out to Brad at VR and #19 "Ripely" for comming out and making out night. http://www.shootwithred.com

[Corrado Silveri]

Wow!
Thanks Evin. Not only for the (stunning) subject.

[Desert Rune]

http://www.reduser.net/evin/turn.jpg

Gowjuss!

[Evan Owen]

These will be the last clips I post before we finish shooting tomorrow morning.

First "step" 18-50mm T3 Red WFO
http://www.reduser.net/evin/step.jpg
http://www.freehillproductions.com/RED1/step.mov
Ctrl Clicl to download.

Evin, what's with the black in the center of the headlight? I noticed it in the headlight of the car in the garage clip too.

Is it some sort of extreme clipping?

[liquidigital]

Incredible. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

[chuck colburn]

Now I could be absolutly wrong here... but it looks like the mounting points of the bulb.

[Evin Grant]

There is a sensor protection thingy going on where if a highlight clips like 5+ stops over 100 or something it goes black. It's part of the design but I'm not entirely sure how it works. Next time I'll just ND the Headlights a little.

[Andrew Benz]

Evin, how are you approaching the lighting... basically, what are you finding that you can get away w/ while still hitting your "sweetspot" in the lense?

Thank you so much for your answer on the next page... I am feeling the love again. Also, I know you and Brook are busy w/ hot models and hotter cameras... but you guys are really helping people like me out quite a bit. You both have my re(s)pect.

[Evan Owen]

There is a sensor protection thingy going on where if a highlight clips like 5+ stops over 100 or something it goes black. It's part of the design but I'm not entirely sure how it works. Next time I'll just ND the Headlights a little.

That's easy if you're on a controlled set, but what about shoots you can't control? Documentaries, reality, EFP? I don't really like the sound of that... is there a way to turn it off?

I guess this means we can't shoot the sun? :usd:

[C.H.Haskell]

Keep it coming Evin, looks fantastic! Thanks for posting...oh and nice choice of subject...simply beautiful.

[Evin Grant]

Don't know this is the first time it's showed up. Ask Jarred.

[Cail Young]

That's easy if you're on a controlled set, but what about shoots you can't control? Documentaries, reality, EFP? I don't really like the sound of that... is there a way to turn it off?

Just stop down or ND down at the camera and bring it back up in post. Expose to the right!

[Thom Steinhoff]

There is a sensor protection thingy going on where if a highlight clips like 5+ stops over 100 or something it goes black. It's part of the design but I'm not entirely sure how it works. Next time I'll just ND the Headlights a little.

You would think that to the sensor it is just a number, so if it blows the highlight it should just peg the color at 100% white rather than 100% black. But maybe there is some sort of Analog protection going on, as you say, to protect the sensor.

I wonder if that's something that can be handled in a software upgrade because there would certainly be sun reflections (or street lights) that will come up and would pass easily if they just pegged the sensor to the highest white value for those pixels rather than black and you would hate to have to fix in post.

[Thom Steinhoff]

Keep it coming Evin, looks fantastic! Thanks for posting...oh and nice choice of subject...simply beautiful.

Yeah, keep it coming.

[Evan Owen]

Don't know this is the first time it's showed up. Ask Jarred.

Haha, ok.

Jarred? :biggrin:

[Thom Steinhoff]

If anyone having trouble viewing these on a sluggish computer, go into your quicktime settings and set the AV controls to Half speed--it seems to be slow enough not to overwhelm a computer like I'm working on now and you get the added benefit of being able to closely study the images :)

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sexy with Super Prime 35mm T1.3 @T2 done in Shake 4

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/sexy1.jpg

[Evin Grant]

Evin, how are you approaching the lighting... basically, what are you finding that you can get away w/ while still hitting your "sweetspot" in the lense?

I'm from the indie school of lighting, minimal but beautiful. For the "sexy" and "turn" clips all I used was a 1k Lowel DP light bounced into the ceiling at the right spot. I also flagged off the closet in the background of the "turn" clip to add contrast. The most striking thing about using Red Vs. any other video camera I've shot is just how much you have to control (Read flag) the scene to build contrast, because the DR is so huge you see it all. I want a little drama and you can do alot in post but it's nice to get the lighting right in camera.

http://www.reduser.net/evin/lighting.jpg
Here I am focusing the DP light to get the spred and intensity I like while watching it on the monitor.

[Andrew Benz]

I'm from the indie school of lighting, minimal but beautiful. For the "sexy" and "turn" clips all I used was a 1k Lowel DP light bounced into the ceiling at the right spot. I also flagged off the closet in the background of the "turn" clip to add contrast. The most striking thing about using Red Vs. any other video camera I've shot is just how much you have to control (Read flag) the scene to build contrast, because the DR is so huge you see it all. I want a little drama and you can do alot in post but it's nice to get the lighting right in camera.

http://www.reduser.net/evin/turn.jpg
Here I am focusing the DP light to get the spred and intensity I like while watching it on the monitor.

Evin, that is the most beautiful use of a 1k Lowel DP that I have ever seen... I usually avoid them for "spill world". Thank you kindly for the answer... I am re- thinking my "travel light package"... Your answer helps alot.

Cheers-- Andrew

[Sanjin Jukic]

Turn look 1 done in Shake 4.1

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/turn1.jpg

[Evin Grant]

It's not the light, It's how you see it. Oooooo deep.:matrix:

[Kenn Michael]

It's not the light, It's how you see it. Oooooo deep.:matrix:

soooo true...

[Brook Willard]

I was very surprised at how well the footage started turning out considering the lighting. It really was "PD150" lighting - the most we ever used was one 1K and a lite panel. Most shots were one 1K open face or a 650 fresnel. Add a few small flags for neg fill or shaping light in the background and that's that.

Monitoring on set was handled with Evin's HD-SDI Panasonic monitor for DP/AC and Evin's Sony [right?] consumer monitor over HDMI for the director.

Footage was ingested with a FW800 reader on a MacBook Pro and saved on two independent FW800 drives. Total time for a full 8GB card to two drives was about 6 minutes [all on one FW800 bus].

[Kenn Michael]

Turn look 1 done in Shake 4.1

Hey Sanjin, what settings are you using in Shake?

[Brook Willard]

Oh yeah, it was Brad's #15 from VRi in Santa Ana.

[Andrew Benz]

It's not the light, It's how you see it. Oooooo deep.:matrix:

Ohhh damn, I set myself up for that one...:innocent:

Well played!:watsup:

[Jarred Land]

Evin is a rock star.

The sun protection is a software on/off feature... its on right now but will be able to be turned off.

[chuck colburn]

Sexy with Super Prime 35mm T1.3 @T2 done in Shake 4

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/sexy1.jpg

Gotta love a well turned ankle.

[PaulClements]

Gotta love a well turned ankle.

Do I detect a foot fetish chuck? :)

[Michael Schrengohst]

Evin, I see you get all the hard jobs!
I would love to see a side by side
comparison of the RED vs. HVX/M2 set-up....
You would probably need 5 times the light
with the HVX set-up...

[chuck colburn]

OH YEAH!
Would detect a Britt to know the term. lol
Kinda of a Victorian phrase.

[PaulClements]

Haha

Lurid sexual fetishes aside, Jarred why couldn't the camera's sun protection just make those pixels white instead of black? Wouldn't that be something relatively simple and far more effective?

Paul

[Ryan Sims]

I've had to use a 1200W HMI and more for fill indoors with an HVX with a P+S Technik Mini35. Man, that rig needs a lot of light.

[chuck colburn]

Paul,

Lures are what you use to catch fish.

Or is that luers?

[PaulClements]

Too slow chuck, I edited my mistake before the edit tag appears, as such your post makes no sense... other than the fact I've just written this explaining that I made a mistake in the first place... ahh bollox

[chuck colburn]

Too slow chuck, I edited my mistake before the edit tag appears, as such your post makes no sense... other than the fact I've just written this explaining that I made a mistake in the first place... ahh bollox

AHH haa haa haa
Would like to meet you some day!

[Rick Darge]

I've had to use a 1200W HMI and more for fill indoors with an HVX with a P+S Technik Mini35. Man, that rig needs a lot of light.


I hear ya. The HVX is such a light-hungry whore.. And the M2 makes it even worse. That's why I went with the Brevis. So much better!

[PaulClements]

Sounds good Chuck, we'll have to get it arranged.

Wow, we derailed this thread quickly... sorry.

I'm off to lure laura to my luxurously lurid luau. Aloha

[Kevin Halverson]

There is a sensor protection thingy going on where if a highlight clips like 5+ stops over 100 or something it goes black. It's part of the design but I'm not entirely sure how it works. Next time I'll just ND the Headlights a little.

Something that I have done in the past that works better than trying to get ND to conform to a headlight shape is to spay the lens with some lite tack spray adhesive and while still tacky, put one or two layers of double net down. Gives you 2 to 4 stops of reduction, no color temperature shift and its fast and easy to clean off.

I am sure that there are other tricks that someone else can share for this, but its worked for me.

[Clayton Harper]

So the concept of this music video is that because that chick is so hot that dude has to line up three of his cars at night in a parking lot and dance like a maniac to get rid of his blue balls?

JK, thanks Evin for posting. You and Brook are the only ones sharing Red footage and I think everybody here loves you for it. Thanks to the owners of these cameras as well for loaning them to the boys.

khmuse, I love the spray adhesive/net trick! Consider it stolen.

[Tonaci Tran]

Sick footage Evin.

[Jim Exton]

Thanks for the footage Evin, looks great!!

[b e n t o n]

Ev
Wonderful Work

[Keith Alan Morris]

thank you for new FOOTAGE. yes! someone still cares!

[Bret Weeks]

Something that I have done in the past that works better than trying to get ND to conform to a headlight shape is to spay the lens with some lite tack spray adhesive and while still tacky, put one or two layers of double net down. Gives you 2 to 4 stops of reduction, no color temperature shift and its fast and easy to clean off.

I am sure that there are other tricks that someone else can share for this, but its worked for me.

A little black "Streaks and Tips" spray from the make up department or an expendables shop also works pretty well as a spray on ND... cleans off glass easy, but plastic can be a pain-

[Steve Sherrick]

Evin, is there any way to get the 2 new videos in a higher resolution file. Perhaps a TIFF or DPX sequence. I would like to open it up in Shake and see what this looks like for real without .h264 involved. I'm seeing way too much noise and compression and I'm anxious to see what this stuff looks like when it's not converted into a lower format. And although the girl is certainly easy on the eyes, I will take anything even if it's a 2 or 3 second clip. I want to see the Red footage a little more purely.

Thanks!
Steve

[John Moores]

Re Sun protection thingy.
How does turning the pixels black protect the sensor from the light physically falling on it thru the lens?

Oh and, *very* nice footage btw ;)

best
jm

[Jamon Lewis]

Those clips are nutts...

[Brook Willard]

You guys are gonna freak when you see what we've been shooting tonight...

[Noah Kadner]

You guys are gonna freak when you see what we've been shooting tonight...


Probably something that starts with a P ends with an N and has OR in the middle...

[bradvr]

I posted some production stills of yesterdays shoot and included a link to a full res TIFF of the shoulder turn. You can appreciate the depth of field control when you see the location we shot in. Enjoy. BH

http://web.mac.com/videoresources/rcworks/The_Blog/Entries/2007/9/10_Ripley_plucked_to_shoot_music_video.html

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/3760_1189575205.jpg

[Steve Sherrick]

Here's a shot at CC.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/161_1189578858.png

[Steve Sherrick]

And another

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/161_1189579733.png

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hey Sanjin, what settings are you using in Shake?

Nothing special, very fast and simple, have a look below

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/shake_set1.jpg
Settings for GenArts Sapphire Plug in>>S-Film_Effects>>scaleCC=0

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/shake_set2.jpg
Settings for TrueLight Plug in

[jaadgy akanni]

I found the original to be too soft, but when you CC'd it like that, it's friggin' perfect. Man, that's nice. Very encouraging to see the magic that can be done. I think we're slowly learning how tremendously generous and forgiving this camera is. Love it!!!

[astro]

Evin is a rock star.

The sun protection is a software on/off feature... its on right now but will be able to be turned off.

Jarred,

What happens when you turn the sun protection off?

Andrew.

[Kenn Michael]

Nothing special, very fast and simple, have a look below

Thanks much!

[Sanjin Jukic]

Now a bit of color grading in Apple Color

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/Shoulder_color1.jpg

[Dave Digby]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1000_1189594135.png

[liquidigital]

I just want to say thanks again guys for posting this footage. I made my purchase 5 days ago. I was going to hold off until the pocket cam because I prefer a smaller/lighter rig, but these images and all the other footage (CTL, etc. ) have really made me think I just need to lift more weights, cowboy up and deal with the bigger cam. Plus Jim was pretty clear the pocket cam won't have or compete with Red One's specs (nor should it). So ultimately, Red One means I'll get in shape and have better images. lol

Best, Mike

[bradvr]

Thanks for sharing the variations on the looks. Inspiring. BH

[Shawn Nelson]

You guys are gonna freak when you see what we've been shooting tonight...

I wondered who'd be the first to shoot RedPorn! But 4k? I dunno... :-)

[Sanjin Jukic]

I wondered who'd be the first to shoot RedPorn! But 4k? I dunno... :-)

You never know!?

Maybe is done already!!!!!

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1000_1189594135.png

Wow! What a difference! I really like this one, completely different!

[Emanuel A.]

Interesting, really interesting.

[Hrvoje Simic]

Thanks Evin. Nice work.

[Fix]

Love the dramatic look omen. By far the best one yet IMO!

[Hrvoje Simic]

Glad you like it. Thanks, Fix! :-)

[Kevin Halverson]

khmuse, I love the spray adhesive/net trick! Consider it stolen.

Happy to share.

[Keith Alan Morris]

beautiful, omen. wow!

[Greg M]

Evin,
You mentioned in an earlier thread that you were shooting with Zeiss standard speeds, but this stuff was shot with super speeds. Have you used standard speeds? if so which lenses and how did the perform on the camera?

[Keith Alan Morris]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1128_1189639960.jpgHERE is a sunburned version. kinda arty though... unbelievable what this camera can do...

[Brook Willard]

We used standard speeds on the "OCRT" shoot and super speeds on this music video shoot.

[Proteus]

Congratulations, the clips were very good!
BTW, on the "Step" video the banding around the light wasn't on the original, was it? I bet it's a h264 issue!

[Ryan Sims]

Beauty In = Beauty Out!

I'm talking about the RED footage that's has been posted so far in h264. I've put some of the frame grabs and .MOVs up on a 60' wide screen (with a 2K digital cinema projector set to Rec709) and the image holds up fantastic. Really impressive. RED and h264 .MOVs are a killer combination.

[Damien Molineaux]

Just stop down or ND down at the camera and bring it back up in post. Expose to the right!

I just read this thread, a little late for this answer, but anyhow...

To protect your highlights you expose to the LEFT, not to the right. Exposing to the right is for maximum detail, but doesn't work with highlights.

Cheers,
Damien

[Emmanuel Cambier]

I guess he meant "expose for the right"

[Cail Young]

I guess he meant "expose for the right"

Sorry, yes, it's a bit of a misleading sentence. What I mean is that when you're in a doco situation and you want to retain highlights you just need to keep the histogram towards the right of the range without jamming it up there - thus the 'stop down' recommendation.

[Corey Culp]

Evin, I see you get all the hard jobs!

Huh-huh-huh. HARD. Huh-huh-huh. ;)

Seriously, though. Evin has produced some fantastic images!

[Brook Willard]

It's called expose to the right because you expose as far right as possible without clipping highlights. If your highest value with center-weighted exposure is 80, expose to the right until it's 99. As long as nothing clips, you want all of the data as far right as possible, juicing up your shadows over on the left.

[Evin Grant]

Huh-huh-huh. HARD. Huh-huh-huh. ;)

Seriously, though. Evin has produced some fantastic images!

Why thank you, I try to feed the artist in me as much as the nerd. If all goes well they play together nice. But if I don't keep an eye on them the nerd will eat the artist, he's a hungry bastard when he gets ahold of a Red.:devil:

[bradvr]

I am fascinated by the various color correction and experimentation with the images shot this week with our camera (Ripley) and thought it would be fun to put all the versions in a single gallery for reference. Check it out here:

http://gallery.mac.com/videoresources#100050

I included a link to a 41MB still image for those of you who may want try your hand at additional choices. I encourage all to give it a shot. Enjoy! BH

PS: I credited the RED Users that I poached the images from and if you want your images removed just PM me.

[Steve Sherrick]

Cool!

Steve