Pics: RED #8 with Birger Canon mount

[Steve Gibby]

Thanks to Erik Widding, RED #8 was sporting a new look this afternoon...the new Birger Canon mount prototype! Another thanks to Max Penner of Paradise FX for the putting it on...

More info soon... :whistling:

[Roberto B]

anything new at last!.. thx gibby.. the man doesn't escape to hawai..

where are the pics?..

[Andrew Benz]

Very nice Steve, I would ask lots of questions, but I will respect your emoticon. ;-)

[Tonaci Tran]

one word... jeeealous!

[Mark Thorpe]

Thanks Gibby. Looking good......

[Sanjin Jukic]

Great!

Amazing!

Also EOS mount gives you a lot of options to use adapters for other mounts.

For example:

- Lens Mount Canon FD on Canon EOS
- Adapter for Nikon lenses on EOS
- Adapter Leica R Lens on Canon EOS
- Olympus OM Lens to Canon EOS
- Adapter Contax/Yashica CO/Y Lens Canon EOS Mount
- Lens Mount Minolta SR on Canon EOS
- Lens Mount for Pentax K Lenses on Canon EOS
- Hasselblad Lens to Canon EOS
- Rollei lens QB SL 35 2000 for Canon EOS

[Terry Delahunt]

Thanks Gibby.

Hi Sanjin, I sent you a PM

[PaulClements]

Hi Gibby,

Have you got the follow focus on it yet? Opinion's eagerly awaited.

Paul

[MikeHedge]

this is awesome!!!!! how did it look?

[ColinSmith]

Yup, and to know how the 10-22 holds up in reality...... will my dreams come true.... ;-)

[David Nardini]

More info soon...

Thanks Erik, Thanks Gibby , Thanks #8 ... we eagerly await more info !

With regards to fitting the Birger EOS mount, can you advise best practice you adopted ?

Finally, am I correct in assuming that the low pass filter (or whatever it is called nowadays) that sits in front of the sensor is NOT part of the lens mounting assembly (ie : it's part of the camera body) & it's seal is not interfered with when fitting the Birger EOS mount or indeed the RED Nikkor mount ?

Cheers,

[HD Hildebrand]

WTF - I guess silence is golden. Haven't heard from Birger, but a picture is worth a thousand... well you know what I mean.

So how does it work? How do you control the aperture? Any word on production/delivery dates? How about Nikon?

Cheers,
Dale

[Steve Gibby]

To answer some questions, I can't tell you how it works yet. We haven't put a FF or other accessories on it yet. The low pass filter is not part of the lens mount assembly and is not interferred with in the removal/installation of mounts. With practice, care, some precautions, and common sense I would guess mounts can be changed out by owners, but I was very happy to leave it to a highly-experienced lens technician (Max Penner) to remove the PL and install the Birger Canon mount. Please don't ask him for info - he's under NDA.

Removing the PL mount was pretty straightforward, as was installing the Birger Canon mount. As with any removal/installation there will be caveats. I'm sure RED Team will have suggestions, as will Birger. It may take a few weeks or so to get their input, so everyone please be patient.

This installation is a peek at what the mount will look like - not a review of its performance. We'll get some insight on that to you in the coming weeks, and a good overview of it with LART in October. Sometime between now and LART, Evin Grant will do some shooting/testing with the #8/Birger Canon setup, as will both me and Sharky. This coming week I'm taking #8 to Canada for Matt Uhry and Finner to use on a commercial shoot, and the PL mount will be re-installed for that. After that shoot, we'll re-install the Birger Canon mount and then hopefully do some test shooting sometime after that.

Thanks again to Erik Widding of Birger for letting us mount the prototype, Max Penner for doing the mounting, and of course RED Team for their foresight in designing a camera system that will have the versatility to mount and use 35mm photo lenses - very cool indeed!

[PaulClements]

Hi Gibby,

Are you able to even shoot a small clip just so we can see the first Canon shot on RedOne? Evin showed us the Nikon mount, but we've yet to see anything shot with a Nikon either.

Paul

[Evan Owen]

Hi Gibby,

Are you able to even shoot a small clip just so we can see the first Canon shot on RedOne? Evin showed us the Nikon mount, but we've yet to see anything shot with a Nikon either.

Paul

Please, Gibby? We all see the RED LCD plugged in there, so we know you were checking it out. Don't tell me you didn't press record... :matrix:

[Steve Gibby]

Are you able to even shoot a small clip just so we can see the first Canon shot on RedOne?

It's in my nature to not post anything unless I'm satisfied its my best work possible under the circumstances. You'll notice I didn't rush to post any images from #8 yet, just to say I had posted images from it. Don't take that as a criticism of others who have posted footage/stills....a lot of the stuff posted has been excellent.

I've been extremely happy with the 3D (#8 + #13) and 2D images I've shot so far with RED One using RED lenses. I've shared openly on RED forums since RED One was announced (December 2005). That won't change. That said, though I'm right-brained as an artist, I'm left brained as a technician - thus the cautious pace of analysis and release of results.

I'll get some impressions and results to you guys as soon as I'm satisfied they are accurate and representative of the best results the setups can produce. I've been as anxious as everyone else to get results. Trust me, I'll hook you guys up with stuff as soon as I can. For right now, I'm just stoked to have been given the chance by Birger to install the Birger Canon mount on #8 and get the first pics of that setup to RED User.

I have about 10 projects in motion right now and I need to make a living...but I'll pitch in when I can...

[planet e]

wow! this looks promising! even though the mounting sounds a bit complex. looking forward to hearing about how it functions. would love to plug my 300-800mm bomb into this, or the crystal clear 200mm f1.8....

very exciting development.

[PaulClements]

Hi Steve,

Yes, I've noticed a lot of people taking a similar stance about posting footage. Whilst I can understand to a certain extent it seems a great shame to me that it's not being as readily shared as one might've imagined leading up to the cameras release. Stills are ok but don't tell the whole story by a long shot.

Another point to bear in mind if you will Gibby is that the 'best results' are often not indicative of the performance since it is being made to work at it's optimum. Pointing the thing out of the window and shooting 10 seconds off would certainly tell me a great deal.

I understand you must be very busy with your current projects and can entirely respect your commitments, it's just that since many people here are thinking about or expecting to go the Birger mount route and you've had the fortune to test it at an early stage a little more knowledge before the reservations complete would be a great bonus (The reservations with bonus were suppose to complete on Sep 11th but they have not opened yet so I guess we have some time). I look forward to seeing more as and when you get the chance.

Cheers

Paul

[Steve Gibby]

Absolutely Paul...I'll hook everyone up with some images shot with that setup as soon as I can. I can tell you now that it will be at least two weeks before that will happen, but I'll do my best on that ...

[Kevin Halverson]

...Also EOS mount gives you a lot of options to use adapters for other mounts.

For example:

- Lens Mount Canon FD on Canon EOS
...

This is a vastly inferior solution for FD glass as the FFD for the EOS (EF mount) lenses is 44mm, while the FD FFD is 42mm. This would mean that a straight mechanical mount wouldn't allow for focus at infinity without an optical element (which isn't the preferred solution at all).

For a 'proper' FD mount on the RED, it will need to be its own adapter, similar to the Nikon F mount but with the proper FFD for the FD.

There is a lot of really great FD lenses out there and it would be a shame to limit their performance by using an optical converter or an improper FFD mount.

[PaulClements]

Absolutely Paul...I'll hook everyone up with some images shot with that setup as soon as I can. I can tell you now that it will be at least two weeks before that will happen, but I'll do my best on that ...

Hi,

Almost as long as getting film negative scanned then haha! I thought this digital malarky was meant to speed things up! :devil:

Paul

[Steve Gibby]

Hi,

Almost as long as getting film negative scanned then haha! I thought this digital malarky was meant to speed things up! :devil:

Paul

LOL....it does, the problem is that the days speed up along with it!

[JD Holloway]

Dont suppose you will be in the Toronto area?
I think Finner is in the Prairies.
I here they have cameras there now...

[Steve Gibby]

Dont suppose you will be in the Toronto area?
I think Finner is in the Prairies.
I here they have cameras there now...

Yeah, Finner is in the Prairies. Been there before - and looking forward to it again. There's no RED cameras in his area yet...

[Shawn Nelson]

Nice Steve! I'd love to see you actually test this!

[Finner]

Will the PL mount be re-columated when you put it back on?

[Seung Han]

Will the PL mount be re-columated when you put it back on?

you mean 'collimated,' don't you?


Hahaha, j/k, I had to correct you once when I had the chance (I might never again!:usd: )

[Finner]

Ya, shit I was going to come fix that soon as I realized later I butchered the spelling but had not got to it yet. I am sure you can find a lot of spelling mistakes in my posts as I am a terrible speller.

[Paul Hazlett]

Ya, shit I was going to come fix that soon as I realized later I butchered the spelling but had not got to it yet. I am sure you can find a lot of spelling mistakes in my posts as I am a terrible speller.

Now would the Hoff ever make a spelling mistake?

your damn striaght he would,he be more of the collumm-mated kind of guy
and proud of it!!

[Finner]

Now would the Hoff ever make a spelling mistake?

your damn striaght he would,he be more of the collumm-mated kind of guy
and proud of it!!

Ya and the Hoff even dated your mom Phaz!

I do not profess to be the Hoff by any means. Only a fan as his are shoes I would be hard pressed to fill.

[Casey Green]

Thanks for the update, Steve. All the best on the project up North.

[Martin Drew]

Will the PL mount be re-columated when you put it back on?

You don't collimate a mount, only a lens. With the mount you set the flange focal distance.

M

[Seung Han]

Too little, too late.

I know more about collimation than you, in a strictly linguistic sense of course...


Ya, shit I was going to come fix that soon as I realized later I butchered the spelling but had not got to it yet. I am sure you can find a lot of spelling mistakes in my posts as I am a terrible speller.

[PaulClements]

Howdy,

Anything for us to see yet then Gibby?

Paul

[Stephen Williams]

You don't collimate a mount, only a lens. With the mount you set the flange focal distance.

M

Hi Martin,

You might be correct, however I have known a respected ASC committee member talk about collimating a mount.

Stephen

[Roberto B]

:) :) you're a must stephen..

[chuck colburn]

You can use a autocollimator to check parallelism of the camera mount to film plane. No lens required.

[PaulClements]

Hi fellas,

Not wanting to detract from the collimation discussions since I'm as much a lover of it as the next guy, cough cough... I'd love to hear from Gibby about the performance of the Canon lenses and if possible a clip (Frame grabs are ok, but given we're talking about still lenses probably not very worthwhile).

Paul

[Martin Drew]

Hi Martin,

You might be correct, however I have known a respected ASC committee member talk about collimating a mount.

Stephen

I was just feeling picky that day :innocent:

M