Maximum single shot time

[jimhare]

Sorry if this has been covered, but does anyone know if there is a time restriction for a single shot?

I shoot a lot of concerts and would love to use 5 Reds, but would need to shoot up to 120 minutes in a single take on each camera.

Anyone know if this is practical?

Cheers,

Jim Hare
Sydney Australia

[Chris Parker]

Sorry if this has been covered, but does anyone know if there is a time restriction for a single shot?

I shoot a lot of concerts and would love to use 5 Reds, but would need to shoot up to 120 minutes in a single take on each camera.

Anyone know if this is practical?

Cheers,

Jim Hare
Sydney Australia

Why would it be absolutely necessary to shoot 120 minutes as a continuous take?

[Mark Thorpe]

I imagine for that you will have to use the RED DRIVE and / or shoot at a lesser format than 4K.

Cheers,
Mark

[jbeale]

The Red Drive is not currently shipping but once it is, my understanding is it can record approximately 180 minutes. I have not heard if that's in a single take or not. Anyway the camera has HDMI (720p) and HD-SDI (1080p) outputs, so anything that can record from those (direct or through a converter) would work also, if you don't need 4k resolution.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1119

[Mark Thorpe]

Or go out through the RAW port but thats gonna require a beast of a RAID for 120 minutes.

Mark.

[Stuart English]

If you shoot REDCODE RAW direct to a RED-DRIVE a single 120 minute take should be fine. ..

[david farland]

Why would it be absolutely necessary to shoot 120 minutes as a continuous take?

Just easier as the less clips you have to sync in post the better....as people turn their cameras off to change tapes (opps!), batteries etc.

Cheers,

Stuart: didn't see your post......but the battery might die before then?

[jbeale]

You can run the camera from AC wall power if you have the Red battery charger. Another question: hopefully the Red uses a good precision master oscillator, but still... will it hold perfect sync through two hours? (There is always going to be some drift, the only question is how much.)

[david farland]

Just as a pie in the sky thought....and guess it depends on the power filtering and whether you'd send a spike through the system...but could you have some lemo 'double adapter' to switch over to a second battery when the first was spluttering....change batteries without power off??

/begin further crazy section

Can you record to CF & Reddrive at the same time?

Then if you could switch over from Reddrive to CF 'on the fly' and back again with a fresh Reddrive...then I could shoot another of Warhol's 24 hour 'Manhattan' pieces...NOT

/back to reality

Good points on master sync. Sure that happens but I'd rather cut up long takes as I see they go out of sync than sync up 5 cameras with lots of gaps. I guess real editors may change clip durations by eg. .05 or whatever, but I don't know the effect it would have on picture or sound quality.

Also shooting a concert most cameras wouldn't be tethered to power.

For time sync....be an easy check if you set a couple of cameras to same time of day and then checked them next day.

[Joel Kaye]

Can you record to CF & Reddrive at the same time?

That's a good question. On other cameras you can record to a firestore and tape at the same time. Instant backup for safety. That would be nice.

[David Wilson]

Why would it be absolutely necessary to shoot 120 minutes as a continuous take?

Sokurov's Russian Ark (96 minute single take) wasn't shot with a RED (but is Russian none the less). I suspect Tilman Buettner, the steady-cam operator, would have very much appreciated the size and weight of the RED (not to mention the image quality) had it existed a few years past.

[jimhare]

Why would it be absolutely necessary to shoot 120 minutes as a continuous take?
To get the entire concert. I have 4-5 cameras shooting 100% of the time and then post edit for complete control. Just want to know if the Red will work in this scenario. I would have AC power so no battery issues.
Jim

[jimhare]

Just as a pie in the sky thought....and guess it depends on the power filtering and whether you'd send a spike through the system...but could you have some lemo 'double adapter' to switch over to a second battery when the first was spluttering....change batteries without power off??

/begin further crazy section

Can you record to CF & Reddrive at the same time?

Then if you could switch over from Reddrive to CF 'on the fly' and back again with a fresh Reddrive...then I could shoot another of Warhol's 24 hour 'Manhattan' pieces...NOT

/back to reality

Good points on master sync. Sure that happens but I'd rather cut up long takes as I see they go out of sync than sync up 5 cameras with lots of gaps. I guess real editors may change clip durations by eg. .05 or whatever, but I don't know the effect it would have on picture or sound quality.

Also shooting a concert most cameras wouldn't be tethered to power.

For time sync....be an easy check if you set a couple of cameras to same time of day and then checked them next day.
I've read that you can't shoot to CF and drive at the same time.

[b e n t o n]

How long can you shoot w/ an 8G SF card ?
btw

J

[dino g]

an 8gb card shoots about 4 minutes and 20 seconds of footage, or about 97% of the drves capacity before an "out of space" error pops up. the error message may be slightly different, but i just had a 6AM call and a 16 hr day after a 4 hour turnaround and i am a little loopie...

[b e n t o n]

Thanks Kosmos!
Hope you are having fun, at least shooting w/Red

[Chris Parker]

Well, if you incorporate timecode into your production plan, then you don't have to worry about cameras stopping and starting. Just like when they shoot concerts on film. It's pretty easy and will make your post that much easier.