Wide angle lens suggestions please

[Paul Harding]

Will be filming in a small room about 12 Ft * 10 Ft in a world war 2 control tower, with a desk and person sitting on a chair at the desk. Only one entrance behind the person at the desk.
Any suggestions on the best lens for the job. Budget is reasonable but don't want to spend to much if I can get away with a cheaper option. I don't have any wide angle lenses at present

Paul

Red One.

[ericyoung]

Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 in Nikon mount with suitable Nikon adaptor.

Best value, low distortion lens available for the RED!

[Paul Harding]

Thanks, when you say nikon mount, does this need and adaptor as well?

[rod bradley]

The only Nikon mount that has its own adaptor is the Allstar mount -- an excellent system by the way. But there is the Red Nikon mount, and the excellent Jacek Nikon mount.

[michael zaletel]

The only Nikon mount that has its own adaptor is the Allstar mount -- an excellent system by the way. But there is the Red Nikon mount, and the excellent Jacek Nikon mount.

What do you mean by "Adaptor" Rod? From what to what?

-michael zaletel

[sergio arguello]

9.8 kinoptic is a good bet if you can still find one...PL mount and not too fisheye

[Colin Sheldon]

We have the Duclos conversion of the Tokina 11-16. Pretty sweet lens - and it's PL.

http://www.finnerknowsbest.com/video-reviews/all-videos/watch/32

[Paul Harding]

What do you mean by "Adaptor" Rod? From what to what?

-michael zaletel

Sorry I confused you I have the Red Nikon mount, I wasn't sure if the Torkina 11 16 came with a nikon style mount, I am now pretty sure it does. so I have the means to fit it on the Red.

Thanks .

[ericyoung]

Tokina comes in both Canon and Nikon mount.

Note you'll want a Nikon mount that can control the iris as the Tokina doesn't have an external iris ring. In order of ascending cost, Doug Underdahl can modify the stock RED Nikon mount, or Jacek at Optitek sells the Nikon ProLock, or Matthew Duclos can modify the whole lens with an iris ring.

[Paul Harding]

Thanks good info, I don't think I will have time to send it to the US for mods.

[ericyoung]

Then your best bet might be to hire PL fit lenses, or an already modified Nikon mount or ProLock. Where are you based?

[michael zaletel]

Tokina comes in both Canon and Nikon mount.

Note you'll want a Nikon mount that can control the iris as the Tokina doesn't have an external iris ring. In order of ascending cost, Doug Underdahl can modify the stock RED Nikon mount, or Jacek at Optitek sells the Nikon ProLock, or Matthew Duclos can modify the whole lens with an iris ring.

What does Doug Underdahl do to the stock RED Nikon mount to enable you to control the Iris on the Tokina 11-16?

-michael

[Paul Harding]

Then your best bet might be to hire PL fit lenses, or an already modified Nikon mount or ProLock. Where are you based?

Based in South Wales UK. I am going to order the lens tuesday anyway, as I don't have anything that wide, as I normally shoot HDcam with Zooms. Only had the Red a couple of weeks.

Paul

[ericyoung]

What does Doug Underdahl do to the stock RED Nikon mount to enable you to control the Iris on the Tokina 11-16?

-michael

http://www.longvalleyequip.com/gdxmount.php

Unfortunately it looks like he has discontinued this.

[ericyoung]

Based in South Wales UK. I am going to order the lens tuesday anyway, as I don't have anything that wide, as I normally shoot HDcam with Zooms. Only had the Red a couple of weeks.

Paul

Too far away from London to help you I'm afraid! :frown2: :smile:

How are you going to set iris then? With your DSLR?
I know you can do it with the Canon mount version and a Canon DSLR, but not sure about Nikons.

[Paul Harding]

Too far away from London to help you I'm afraid! :frown2: :smile:

How are you going to set iris then? With your DSLR?
I know you can do it with the Canon mount version and a Canon DSLR, but not sure about Nikons.

I have placed tape on the metal tab on a nikon lens once before to set the iris and then ND or light to suit. not ideal, it does work. I use trial and error to get the F stop I am looking for. In the case almost wide open.

[Ken Corben]

If you are the DOP for this shoot insist on renting the Arri 8R prime lens.
F 2.8 & Close Focus 1.25'
http://www.arri.de/camera/lenses/35_format_lenses/ultra_prime_8r.html

If you are the Producer this is where you spend the budget by renting this one piece of glass to shoot this scene. It will enable amazing creativity and the results are rather spectacular on the R1.

I also own and shoot the Tokina - it will work.
I'd rent the 8R.

[Paul Harding]

If you are the DOP for this shoot insist on renting the Arri 8R prime lens.
F 2.8 & Close Focus 1.25'
http://www.arri.de/camera/lenses/35_format_lenses/ultra_prime_8r.html

If you are the Producer this is where you spend the budget by renting this one piece of glass to shoot this scene. It will enable amazing creativity and the results are rather spectacular on the R1.

I also own and shoot the Tokina - it will work.
I'd rent the 8R.

I don't think I can rent a single lens here ,they rent out in set's but I will look into it.
Thanks

[Ken Corben]

Arri is aware of this challenge in the changing rental market for their primes.
Contact me via email and I will help your request get to the Arri folks for POSSIBLE assistance. They are a great company.

Cheers,

Sharky

[Paul Harding]

I am in the UK. will I get a quality leap as apposed to the Tokina?

Paul

[michael zaletel]

That Zeiss 8R lens is insane. If you can swing the budget, that lens gets my vote hands down. I would buy one if it didn't cost more than an EPIC. :)

http://www.indierentals.com/?page=product&id=244592

-michael zaletel

[ericyoung]

Well surely it depends on what Paul wants to get in his shot? The 8R is certainly the best extreme rectilinear wide angle lens, but it's almost TOO wide. It's viewpoint lends itself almost as a special effect. IMHO the 11-16mm range is about as wide as I would want to go if I didn't want the lens to start imposing a certain stylised look on the shot. In many cases, even 11-16mm is too wide for a naturalistic feel, but it's very useful in confined spaces where you wouldn't get the shots otherwise.

[Paul Harding]

Well surely it depends on what Paul wants to get in his shot? The 8R is certainly the best extreme rectilinear wide angle lens, but it's almost TOO wide. It's viewpoint lends itself almost as a special effect. IMHO the 11-16mm range is about as wide as I would want to go if I didn't want the lens to start imposing a certain stylised look on the shot. In many cases, even 11-16mm is too wide for a naturalistic feel, but it's very useful in confined spaces where you wouldn't get the shots otherwise.

Thats an interesting observation, I want it to look as natural as possible. I have ordered the Optitek mount. and will order the tokina tomorrow. cheers
Paul

[ericyoung]

Paul. Have a look at the ARRI page on the 8R and the footage:

http://archiv.arri.de/entry/up_8r_sample_footage.htm

[ericyoung]

http://205.234.135.241/forum/showthread.php?p=520486

http://mattuhry.com/filetransfer/960-goesto11.mov

[RikiButland]

8mm & 10mm lenses are never part of a set they come as individual lenses.

When one is using these extremely wide angle lenses the trick is to having something big in foreground to one side of frame or to track past something to show a huge perspective. To just use them as a wide angle to fit everything in frame is really boring
obviously IMHO

[Paul Harding]

Paul. Have a look at the ARRI page on the 8R and the footage:

http://archiv.arri.de/entry/up_8r_sample_footage.htm

Thanks Eric nice links to pictures that says it all, much appreciated, I will stick with the tokina.

[Paul Harding]

Got the tokina 11 17 it's just the job.

Thanks all
Paul