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Laco Zamba
09-18-2007, 04:55 AM
New photos, technology, still gallery ...
Darwin
09-18-2007, 05:37 AM
Format options list 2k/100 now! sweet..........:)
Larry McKee
09-18-2007, 06:22 AM
Format options list 2k/100 now! sweet..........:)
...and now it shows S35 is available in REDCODE RAW, not just through the RAW Port. Super sweet!
Darwin
09-18-2007, 06:28 AM
...and now it shows S35 is available in REDCODE RAW, not just through the RAW Port. Super sweet!
I bet it just means you can use a larger format lens..not that you can Rec. at S35 size
Jeff Kilgroe
09-18-2007, 06:36 AM
Guys,
The 4.5K / 2540p mode is not available without the RAW port. I don't know what you guys are looking at. The format options specifically show 4K up to 30p via REDCODE RAW and that's it. It does show this under both 35mm and S35mm lens formats, but the resolution is still 4096x2304, from the exact same sensor area in either case.
Harmonica
09-18-2007, 06:42 AM
The format options state Redcode: 4k Raw: S35mm: 30fps. No 4.5k. I think they state this so that people don't think they can't do 2.40, etc. The truth is that you can do any crop you'd like, within the allowed resolution.
Darwin
09-18-2007, 06:44 AM
Guys,
The 4.5K / 2540p mode is not available without the RAW port. I don't know what you guys are looking at. The format options specifically show 4K up to 30p via REDCODE RAW and that's it. It does show this under both 35mm and S35mm lens formats, but the resolution is still 4096x2304, from the exact same sensor area in either case.
Thanks Jeff,
I got that already....Just saw S35 and got excited for a second.
HD Hildebrand
09-18-2007, 07:14 AM
CF Rods in the store - that's interesting.
Stuart English
09-18-2007, 07:19 AM
Jeff is correct. Shooting 4.5K / 2540p still requires the optional RAW port.
jaadgy akanni
09-18-2007, 07:37 AM
I strongly suggest changing the way the rods are listed. I think most people would prefer it if they were listed with the price of a PAIR instead of the price for "each." What do you guys think?
Larry McKee
09-18-2007, 07:53 AM
Guys,
The 4.5K / 2540p mode is not available without the RAW port. I don't know what you guys are looking at. The format options specifically show 4K up to 30p via REDCODE RAW and that's it. It does show this under both 35mm and S35mm lens formats, but the resolution is still 4096x2304, from the exact same sensor area in either case.
Sorry Jeff, guess I was used to the S35 and 35mm being is separate columns. I need to learn "subject to change" includes chart configurations.
ericyoung
09-18-2007, 08:04 AM
I strongly suggest changing the way the rods are listed. I think most people would prefer it if they were listed with the price of a PAIR instead of the price for "each." What do you guys think?
Well someone might only want one to replace say a damaged one?
I strongly suggest changing the way the rods are listed. I think most people would prefer it if they were listed with the price of a PAIR instead of the price for "each." What do you guys think?
I think I can multiply x2 ;)
jbeale
09-18-2007, 09:41 AM
the photo shows two rods. The text clearly says "each", but not everybody has good reading comprehension :-). Maybe you could make the default quantity a pair to match the photo, and offer "rod (single)" separately as an option?
Or, it's pretty common in catalogs to ghost out whatever part is not offered, so you could for example make one of the rods in the photo half-transparent.
luis bustamante
09-18-2007, 11:27 AM
I hope RAW 60fps 4k and 120 fps cropped 2k will still be available, any info on that?
The best,
Bill Goehring
09-18-2007, 11:43 AM
REDCode RAW 60fps has never been promised @ 4k. It IS still an option at 4.5k out of the RAW port, as always.
120 fps @ 2k has likewise NEVER been promised, although 100 fps @ 2k windowed has been offered up as a compromise with the demise of 120 fps @ 720 RGB. This is all detailed in the new chart on Red.com.
http://www.red.com/cameras/format_options
What remains to be seen is whether Graham can work his magic to enable a sub-sampled 2k off of the full sensor. Don't know whether anything north of 30 fps has been suggested for this option. Note that neither is on the chart.
Charles Perkins
09-18-2007, 12:35 PM
how can the price for the cf rods and the steel rods be the same price?
luis bustamante
09-18-2007, 01:07 PM
REDCode RAW 60fps has never been promised @ 4k. It IS still an option at 4.5k out of the RAW port, as always.
120 fps @ 2k has likewise NEVER been promised, although 100 fps @ 2k windowed has been offered up as a compromise with the demise of 120 fps @ 720 RGB. This is all detailed in the new chart on Red.com.
http://www.red.com/cameras/format_options
What remains to be seen is whether Graham can work his magic to enable a sub-sampled 2k off of the full sensor. Don't know whether anything north of 30 fps has been suggested for this option. Note that neither is on the chart.
You're right about RAW 4k@60fps, it's never been promised, my bad. My concern was more about RAW 2k+@120fps, though. Output from the RAW port has always been stated as capable of 60 fps full sensor and 120fps 2k windowed, this last one is the one I see missing in the new chart, and it makes me wonder if this capability has been removed for good or if it will be added later.
From the brochure handed out at IBC07 (the same from NAB07):
Frame rates: Variable, 1-60 fps: 2540p, 4k, 2k, 1080p, 720p. 1-120fps: 2k, 720p (windowed sensor)
RAW output: Optional fiber optic based RAW data interface, 1-60fps: 2540p (4k+). 1-120 fps: 1270p (2k+) (windowed sensor)
Video outputs: Single and dual link HD-SDI, 1080p 4:4:4 RGB, 1080p 4:2:2, 720p 4:2:2
Redcode codec: Visually lossless wavelet compression, RAW 12 bit linear, 4k to 30fps, 2k to 60fps
Obviously, these specs have changed inmensly, but they show that RAW 2k at 120fps has been offered, and, for me at least, this is an important feature of the camera.
The best,
Jeff Kilgroe
09-18-2007, 01:32 PM
Luis,
The 2K @ 120fps would need the RAW port. The only onboard REDCODE format ever advertised with 120fps was 720p scaled from the 2K window.
luis bustamante
09-18-2007, 02:06 PM
Luis,
The 2K @ 120fps would need the RAW port. The only onboard REDCODE format ever advertised with 120fps was 720p scaled from the 2K window.
Thanks, Jeff, I already know this, my question is regarding 120fps RAW 2k from the RAW port not being mentioned on the new chart. That's all.
The best,
Michael Hastings
09-18-2007, 02:06 PM
Luis,
The 2K @ 120fps would need the RAW port. The only onboard REDCODE format ever advertised with 120fps was 720p scaled from the 2K window.
Is 1080P no longer promised - or just not now. How about on HD-SDI ouput.
I thought we were going to have a camera that could be used with existing cameras in a high def live production - that's a pretty big deal if that has been thrown away. Do we still have that on the HD-SDI output along with genlock?
EDIT: I just noticed that it says they are available afterwards via redcine, and that we have 720p PREVIEW.
Does this 720p preview also allow genlock and quality suitable for broadcast? If so that is OK - bit of a bummer that 1080 not available live but I would admit that dual format would be a bit of cake and eat it too and the 2K 100fps options are a good tradeoff.
Could someone confirm 720p and genlock suitable for live shoots is still a promised output?
Bill Goehring
09-18-2007, 03:22 PM
The 2K @ 120fps would need the RAW port.
My bad on missing the talk of 2k @ 120fps from the RAW port; I never made it to NAB or IBC and haven't paid much attention to RAW port options, as the virtues of REDcode RAW have come to light.
Rocco Schult
09-18-2007, 03:28 PM
...How about on HD-SDI ouput.
I thought we were going to have a camera that could be used with existing cameras in a high def live production
...
Does this 720p preview also allow genlock and quality suitable for broadcast?...
On IBC HDMI output was enabled, didn't see the HD-SDI working (which doesn't mean it didn't).
But I believe from logic and what I remember from NAB (and makes more sense than 720), the HD-SDI is a cropped 2:1 (speak: simple yet good) scaling from the 4k chip.
Means, due the relatively simple nature of technique, an HD-SDI 1080 should be possible live and I don't see any reason why it shouldbe disabled.
However, I am not aware of the genlocking abilities you need for live production.
Better don't count on it until further confirmation.
Michael Hastings
09-19-2007, 10:01 AM
On IBC HDMI output was enabled, didn't see the HD-SDI working (which doesn't mean it didn't).
But I believe from logic and what I remember from NAB (and makes more sense than 720), the HD-SDI is a cropped 2:1 (speak: simple yet good) scaling from the 4k chip.
Means, due the relatively simple nature of technique, an HD-SDI 1080 should be possible live and I don't see any reason why it shouldbe disabled.
However, I am not aware of the genlocking abilities you need for live production.
Better don't count on it until further confirmation.
Genlock is an existing labeled connector - not working yet - needed also for 3D work .
Floris Liesker
09-19-2007, 03:18 PM
In the format options under REDCODE it says 4K RAW and 4K 2:1...
I know the REDCODE 4K raw, but what is REDCODE 4K 2:1?
Curran Giddens
09-19-2007, 03:43 PM
My bad on missing the talk of 2k @ 120fps from the RAW port; I never made it to NAB or IBC and haven't paid much attention to RAW port options, as the virtues of REDcode RAW have come to light.
I was planning on getting the RAW port until now. The RAW port used to be the only way to get anything over 60fps in 2k. But now that we can get 100fps 2k REDcode RAW onboard, I decided that was close enough.
Bill Goehring
09-19-2007, 04:16 PM
$6,500 can buy a lot of CF cards...or an 18-50mm RED zoom...or a weekend in Vegas.