Group Purchase for O'Connor etc.

[Steve Tammi]

I have a vendor willing to discount a group purchase 20-25% if the volume is sufficient. This will be for people on the US side of the pond. You can mix and match any O'Connor product you want and she can include some other brands in the order like Miller, Sachtler and Vinten.

If you are interested in participating in a group purchase please PM me with quantity and product you wish to buy. I will collect orders until October 1st then submit the anticipated order to the vendor and let everyone know what the final pricing will be. At that point if we have enough people commit you will pay the vendor directly by a preset deadline.

Just to let you know I am not the vendor and do not gain from this other then to share the same discount everyone else will receive if we can pull together and make the group purchase.

If you have any questions please let me know.

Best,

Steve

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Sounds great, Steve!

I'm definitely interested, I'm sure there will be others too. Any more details you can share will be most helpful.

[Gary McClurg]

Its been a while since I thought about O'Connor tripods... any guess what price range you're talking about... I know do a search...

[T. Glen Phelps]

I've been holding off since my cameras won't ship until December/January time-frame but I was told by a very nice lady from O'Connor (at Cinegear) that a similar deal (25%) might be arranged direct from O'Connor. Either way, I'm very interested in their 2060HD head and some sticks.

[Steve Tammi]

Hey Jeff,

The main thing from the vendors perspective is that she can submit one large purchase order. If the voume is sufficient she will even take some off of their cut as well.

This vendor has had better pricing then the big box stores. I got great deals on a Arri light kit and a Kino gaffer kit as well as stands and other gaffer gear.

If there is something you specifically want to know about please ask.

Steve


Sounds great, Steve!

I'm definitely interested, I'm sure there will be others too. Any more details you can share will be most helpful.

[Gianny Trutmann]

I'am interested my red comes in November

[Owen James]

Also very interested...

[C.H.Haskell]

PM if you need another order for that bulk purchase! I am very interested.

Best

[Dan Blanchett]

Ditto. I'll PM you.

[Vladimir Eugene]

add me to that list.

[Stacey Spears]

Me too.

[Jim McKinney]

me three

[Vince Arvidson]

I'm also interested. Most likely in a 1030HD.

Vince

[Harmonica]

Does she have any used heads such as the oconnor 100 that she'd be willing to include under this discount?

[Ivan G]

I was interested in this deal last time someone posted something similar. I hope this one works. I'm in for the 2060!

[R Fogg]

Keep me posted as well.

[wshultz]

I'm interested in a Vinten (unless the overall discount is better on Oconner)

[PaulClements]

Hi,

A lot of people on the other side of the pond actually buy from the US because it's still cheaper - That goes for kit made this side as well ironically. I'd be up interested if the price is right. If you can try and get some prices out of her and post it up I'm sure everyone would be greatful.

Paul

[Jay A. Kelley]

The OConnor 1030HDSPKG (This is the high weight 1030HD package with arm and plate) currently goes for $5,369.00 at BH photo

With a 25% discount we're looking at a price of less than $4,200.00

You BET I am interested.

Jay

[Finner]

The OConnor 1030HDSPKG (This is the high weight 1030HD package with arm and plate) currently goes for $5,369.00 at BH photo

With a 25% discount we're looking at a price of less than $4,200.00

You BET I am interested.

Jay

Jay is that with legs or just the head alone?

[donatello b]

guessing the 25% be off LIST price .. the prices at B&H are discounted ...

[Adrian Correia]

count me in for an o'connor 2060

[Greg M]

2575 + aulminum sticks

[Steve Tammi]

Reminder: If you haven’t already, please PM me with the gear you want to purchase before October 1st. I plan on turning in the preliminary order on October 1st. Based on the volume we have at that time I will be able to give you final pricing. At that point you can decide if the deal is good enough. If enough people decide it is a good deal then we can proceed with the actual order.

The bulk of the orders so far are for O’Connor products 1030HD, 1030HDS, 2060HD, 25L & 35L sticks. If you want Vinten, Sachtler, Miller, Arri or anything else submit your order and I will see what can be done as far as a discount.

Remember you don’t have to commit to buy anything until you see the final pricing. But I need to submit a preliminary order to the vendor to determine what the final pricing will be. Send me a Private Message (PM) with the gear you desire before October 1st so I can submit the order for a price determination.

Thanks,

Steve

[Steve Tammi]

I will ask about used O'Connor. I know for sure they like dealing Miller products and have great pricing regular stock as well as B stock.

Steve


Does she have any used heads such as the oconnor 100 that she'd be willing to include under this discount?

[Steve Tammi]

Shoot me a PM on the Vinten gear that interests you and we will see what shakes out.

Steve


I'm interested in a Vinten (unless the overall discount is better on Oconner)

[JoshBertrand]

Finner, that's just the head from BH. They don't sell a 1030 package with sticks.

[Ken Willinger]

Is the 1030HD a 100mm bowl?

[Steve Tammi]

Hey Paul,

Sorry but this vendor only ships to the US so you would need a US shipping address.

Best,

Steve


Hi,

A lot of people on the other side of the pond actually buy from the US because it's still cheaper - That goes for kit made this side as well ironically. I'd be up interested if the price is right. If you can try and get some prices out of her and post it up I'm sure everyone would be greatful.

Paul

[PaulClements]

Hi Steve,

That's not a problem.

Paul

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Sound like a plan Steve. I'm interested soon....my camera won't ship until December though.

[R. Gonzales]

Please put me on your list.

[Harmonica]

I will ask about used O'Connor. I know for sure they like dealing Miller products and have great pricing regular stock as well as B stock.

Steve

Thanks, Steve!

[Osler Go]

Hey Steve, sent you PM. Thank you!

[Steve Tammi]

The 1030HD & 1030HDS come standard with the 100mm but you can order it with 150mm or Mitchell. I will make sure to post the cost of those options along with the rest of the pricing when it come out.


Is the 1030HD a 100mm bowl?

[Steve Tammi]

I checked... sorry but used O'Connor is not available. She does deal in B stock Miller if that interests you.

Best,

Steve


Does she have any used heads such as the oconnor 100 that she'd be willing to include under this discount?

[Harmonica]

I checked... sorry but used O'Connor is not available. She does deal in B stock Miller if that interests you.

Best,

Steve

Thanks for checking! I might be interested in Miller. I'll have to do a little homework and then get back to you.

[Sean Michael Johnston]

Steve I sent you a PM. Please add me to the list. I've been looking at the Miller 55, but if I could get an oconnor 1030HDS for a similar price...

[Jim Hoffman]

I'd like to see what the deal is...

[Ivan G]

Steve, it's the first. We ready to place orders?

[Steve Tammi]

As promised…

1030HD Head Only $3417.75 (group) $4068.95 (bh) = $651.20 (16.00%) difference
1030HD Head Only $3671.00 (group) $4352.95 (bh) = $681.95 (15.67%) difference
2060HD Head Only $6427.00 (group) $7649.95 (bh) = $1222.95 (15.99%) difference
2575C Head Only $8463.50 (group) $9837.95 (bh) = $1374.45 (13.97%) difference

1030HD Package $4406.00 (group) $5244.95 (bh) = $838.95 (16.00%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
34 degree bend handle
Extension handle
100mm ball base
Required 100mm tie down

1030HDS Package $4659.00 (group) $5369.95 (bh) = $710.95 (13.24%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
34 degree bend handle
Extension handle
100mm ball base
Required 100mm tie down

2060HD Package $8121.75 (group) $9376.50 (bh) = $1254.75 (13.38%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
150mm ball base
Required 150mm tie down

2575C Package $10157.70 (group) $11777.95 (bh) = $1620.25 (13.76%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
Mitchell base
Mitchell tie down

25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage Tripod $1738.00 (group) $2049.95 (bh) = $311.95 (15.22%) difference
Includes spreader

35L Carbon Fiber 1-stage Tripod $1594.00 (group) $1899.95 (bh) = $305.95 (16.10%) difference
Includes 2 position spreader

Cine HD Tripod $1600 (group) 1879.95 (bh) = $279.95 (14.89%) difference
Mitchell or 150mm
Spreader sold separately

Cine HD Baby Tripod $1600 (group) 1879.95 (bh) = $279.95 (14.89%) difference
Mitchell or 150mm
Spreader sold separately

[Steve Tammi]

Something I have learned… Most published prices have already been discounted from the list price so the discount you see for the “Group Buy” is the discount beyond the discount. Make sense? :)

Next step… Now that the prices have been published if you still want in on the deal please send me a private message (PM) letting me know exactly what product(s) you wish to purchase. We need to have enough participants to make the buy and if we have more than enough we will get some additional savings. I will keep everyone posted on the status.

PS: Please do not send me any credit card or purchasing information. If we accumulate enough participants I will forward everyone the vendor information and you will settle with the vendor directly.

PSS: For all the people wanting Sachtler, Vinten, Miller, Arri etc. give me another day or two to work it out.

I hope everyone finds this to be a good deal.

Best,

Steve

[Rick Darge]

Thanks a lot Steve!

[Greg M]

2575C Package $10600.00 (group) $11777.95 (bh) = $1177.95 (10.00%) difference
Mini European quick release with camera mounting plate
30 degree bend handle
Extension handle
Mitchell base
Mitchell tie down
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Steve,
Thanks for the effort putting this together. My dealer has already quoted my $10,500 for the same package for a single purchase, so unfortunately I wont be participating.

[Steve Tammi]

I have edited the previous O'Connor pricing post to reflect new pricing and have added prices for head only product.

Check it out... http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=92548&postcount=41

Best,

Steve

[Ivan G]

I'm Ready!!! Cc In Hand!!

[Jim Hoffman]

Steve - Thanks for your work.

Is there a time schedule for purchasing you're trying to hit?

[Steve Tammi]

Lets try this and see how it works out...

By Monday October 15: If you want in on the deal send me a private message (PM) letting me know exactly what product(s) you wish to purchase.

By Tuesday October 16: If we have enough orders I will PM the interested people the vendor contact information.

By Monday October 22: Settle account with the vendor so the order can be placed.

Best,

Steve


Steve - Thanks for your work.

Is there a time schedule for purchasing you're trying to hit?

[Dan Blanchett]

I was leaning toward the 2060 head. So can anyone chime in with tripod recommendations?

Specifically:

- CF versus Aluminum
- Mitchell Base versus 150mm ball (what's the difference and why should I care?)
- Spreader options?
- Viable non-oconnor stick options? (i.e Sachtler 6290 Cine 150 Long)

I will be shooting long-form narrative projects, not run-and-gun/ENG, so being fast and light is not as much a factor as being stable. Also, I was thinking that aluminum might be best if I want to use larger zooms, attach a jib, etc.

Thanks

[david farland]

Well done Steve,

Will pm you regarding 1030HD Package & 25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage.

.......it's saving me $2K less freight.

Also I saw in their catalogue they had pretty funky hard cases.
Any idea on prices for cases for 1030HD & 25L sticks?

Thanks again

[Steve Tammi]

I couldn't get these items as part of the O'Connor group purchase discount but here is what the vendor quoted...

Miller Arrow 55 System $4464.00
1 Stage Sprinter Aluminum Tripod
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller Arrow 55 System $5088.00
2 Stage CF ENG Style
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller Arrow 55 System $5402.00
2 Stage CF
1028 Arrow 55 Head

Miller Arrow 55 System $4685.00
1 Stage Alloy HD Tripod
1028 Arrow 55 Head

Miller Arrow 55 System $4464.00
1 Stage Sprinter Aluminum Tripod
Mid Level Spreader, Feet & Case

Miller 100mm Bowl Solo Tripod $747.00

Cartoni A303 $639.95

Sachtler 3012 Cine 30 HD System $8019.00

Sachtler (1861) System 18SB ENG 2D $6143.00

Sachtler (1862) System 18SB ENG 2CF $6143.00

Sachtler (5586) Speedlock CF w/100mm Bowl Top $1465.00

Sachtler (7002) 100 Spreader $302.00

Sachtler (7014) Rubber Feet $291.00

Sachtler (3270) Pan Arm Right $373.00

Kino Flo Gaffer Select Kit $2234.00

Arri 300/650 Fresnel Combo Kit $2333.00

Arri Softbank I Kit $2513.00

Tuff Pak 1132 (hard case) $389.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

Petrol PTB-3 (soft case) $130.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

PortaBrace TQ-46 $209.00
(not branded with O’Connor logo)

If you absolutely need to have a O’Connor branded case let me know and I will find out what the additional cost is for a case with logo.

Best,

Steve

[david farland]

Sheeee ...well done Steve!!
Certainly is a labor of love you're doing here.

Don't know about hard /softcases you listed but the O'Connor soft case fits inside the hardcase. The catalogue prices for the O'Connor 1030/25GL hard case is $407, softcase is $270....!

Cheers,

[Steve Tammi]

I will do my best to get the prices for the O'Connor hard and soft cases posted by tomorrow.

I might just let someone else do the next group purchase. :biggrin:


Sheeee ...well done Steve!!
Certainly is a labor of love you're doing here.

Don't know about hard /softcases you listed but the O'Connor soft case fits inside the hardcase. The catalogue prices for the O'Connor 1030/25GL hard case is $407, softcase is $270....!

Cheers,

[Dan Blanchett]

I realize my questions in post #49 are pretty basic, but I really could use some feedback. I've never bought a high-end tripod, so any comments are welcome. I don't want to make a multi-thousand dollar mistake... :help:

[Finner]

I was leaning toward the 2060 head. So can anyone chime in with tripod recommendations?

Specifically:

- CF versus Aluminum
- Mitchell Base versus 150mm ball (what's the difference and why should I care?)
- Spreader options?
- Viable non-oconnor stick options? (i.e Sachtler 6290 Cine 150 Long)

I will be shooting long-form narrative projects, not run-and-gun/ENG, so being fast and light is not as much a factor as being stable. Also, I was thinking that aluminum might be best if I want to use larger zooms, attach a jib, etc.

Thanks


CF-legs light and pretty, not as durrable
aluminum-legs heavier, strong and sturdy.

150 ball- 1/2 round ball under head that fits in sachtler 15o ball mount tripod
mitchell- flat with keyway fits flat mitchell mount tripod must be leveled with legs.

Spreaders, yes get them but different people prefer different spreaders

different kinds of sticks depends on what kind of head you buy.

I wish I could say what I am about to without you and a bunch of others taking offence but I have found there are people on here that would rather get mad then learn. Thing is this is basic entry level film 101 stuff we are talking about. You don't know this but you are about to buy one of the more expensive heads on the market? It just doesn't make any sense. What exactly do you plan to do with all this expensive equipment that you do not know how to use?

[david farland]

Well taken..........
I'm as green as anybody here. I'm sure every has their own story
I've got a Miller 10/20lb capacity head (which needs a service actually) and feel the type of work I do, it's just isn't smooth enough or takes too long to get that way on a quick setup. So if I got this great camera and can't do the pan/tilts easily... I'm going to look for another known brand, higher quality and obviously higher load.
Or I could just turn your comment around and suggest by your comment you demand less from a tripod than what others demand, and that this isn't related to experience and so on it goes.....

Decent comment thou,

Dave

[Dan Blanchett]

Finner, no offense taken. I'm a Writer/Director, not a DP, looking to make an informed investment. To answer your question, I plan to shoot a feature this Spring as well as other projects (short and long form) that I can put together. I also plan to rent my RED out as a complete package.

I had originally planned to get a cheaper system like the Arrow 55. But after talking to a friend who runs a rental company, and reading the reviews and these boards, seems like Oconnor will be the wisest long-term investment. A system that will hold its value as well as provide great support for the RED-- and an all in all, more attractive rental option.

But... that still doesn't mean I know why I should select Micthell base over 150mm ball (actually I just figured this out). Plus, I also heard from some DPs that while Oconnor has the better heads, Sachtler has the better tripods. So I was thinking mix and match.

As far as aluminum vs. CF goes, I was thinking aluminum is better for feature film productions due to its higher weight capacity.

It sounds like I'm answering my own questions, but I'm really just seeking confirmation from folks with experience shooting movies. Because it is a lot of dough.

[Greg M]

It really depends on how you will use the gear.
For me I am getting a 2575 w/ alum sticks. We still shoot alot of spots on 35mm and rent this support 10-20x per year and even though the rental costs are moderate the savings in shipping (shipping rental support in w/ each camera rental) will offset the added cost. This way my support can be used w/ Red and with the 435 we rent. I am going aluminum because I need to support the added weight of the 435 body and zoom lenses, dutch heads, etc.

If your uses are strictly for Red, then you can get away with a lighter setup.

I own 2 sets of Sachtlers (18III and 20) both w/ CF sticks and they have held up very well now to extensive use (they are at least 6-10 years old and are used 2-5 days per week)
So dont be afraid of CF...the real difference is the total weight they will support.

[Dan Blanchett]

Thanks digitalfx. I guess I'd rather have higher load capacity than less, just in case. More options for adding, like you said, dutch head, jib, etc. Although I guess i can just rent heavier sticks as needed.

To go with oconnor 2060 head, I was thinking of Sachtler aluminum sticks (150 long) since it looks like it can have a mid-spreader, while the oconnor aluminium only excepts ground (or so it seems).

[Finner]

Finner, no offense taken. I'm a Writer/Director, not a DP, looking to make an informed investment. To answer your question, I plan to shoot a feature this Spring as well as other projects (short and long form) that I can put together. I also plan to rent my RED out as a complete package.


Thats what I suspected. I am a director/dp and have a camera on order. The thing I see though is it looks like tons of people with no camera experience and no plans to build camera experience are buying cameras. Isn't it clear that this makes no sense? Why not buy a sound DAT machine or a SPFX fogger? People seem so worried about rentals costing so much but they really won't. Right now the prices people are listing for rentals is way off. If I needed a camera for a shoot tomorrow I could find one no problem and there are only 50 cameras on the market, so demand is not very high for them. What do you think demand will be when there is 500 or 1,000 or more cameras out?

The rental cost or value of something is all supply and demand. If you are a director and don't plan on being a dp then be a director and put your money in your movies. There are so many people buying reds that soon you will be able to find one on every corner renting for very cheap. If you are going to hire a dp for your movie hire an eager new one with a red camera and all the knowledge that goes with outfiting a package properly. If you have a good script and project it would not suprise me at all if you could find a dp and camera combined from free-$500 a day just for the chance to build their reel.

The way so many people with no camera experience are planning to buy cameras it is going to cause havock in the rental industry. People with no camera experience to offer to go along with their camera are not going to be able to rent their camera out. Honestly if you hope to rent the camera out when you are not using it you would be better off buying a camera truck as they will be in much higher demand. That way the person you rent the truck to can drive to the street in LA that will get called "red row" and drive past all the desperate owners trying to rent their cameras and gear for food.

I know that is over the top but seriously I have worked in the film industry for 17 years and never met a director that is not a director/dp that owns a camera or camera gear. It just does not make any sense.

Save your money for a great movie and hire a dp with a red system and save yourself a lot of headache and money.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Another carbon fiber vs. aluminum thought...

CF is very good at dampening lateral vibrations, aluminum is very good at transferring vibrations to the head and camera.

Thinkbug, do you really need that 2060 head? It's a monster. IMO, the 1030HDS makes a lot more sense. It supports plenty of weight and is a lot smaller. You sacrifice some tilt range to gain the weight rating, but ask yourself how often you will really need that tilt range and if a tilt plate will work for those occasions. OTOH, the 2060 is a fine head and will give you lots of options to mount a very loaded RED setup or other heavy gear. But it's a lot of money to spend if you don't know for sure what you'll be doing with it.

As for me, I'm still undecided on this group buy deal. I don't need the head until January when my RED ships. I don't know if I want to just go for it and buy the new head (decent price, very tempting) or if I want keep searching for a good deal on a used O'Connor or Vinten system -- I've been looking and not having much luck after I foolishly passed on a used Vinten V11 kit a couple months back.

[Andrew Benz]

I think your right... it is about to get ugly. This is coming from a guy who IS a camera op/content producer WITH clients... but then again I never planned on renting out... I have too much work.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I can make more money with RED using it than renting it. I don't understand this whole rental fascination and people who think they can rent out the camera and whoring themselves out along with it as DIT or some super-cheap DP/ 1AC.

The days of $550/day well-equipped RED setups are nearly upon us. So are the days of "selling my RED -- can't afford it -- need RED Pocket cam instead". If it weren't for the warranty not transferring, I'd almost just plan on buying someone else's pre-owned and hardly used RED sometime early next year.

[Finner]

I can make more money with RED using it than renting it. I don't understand this whole rental fascination and people who think they can rent out the camera and whoring themselves out along with it as DIT or some super-cheap DP/ 1AC.

The days of $550/day well-equipped RED setups are nearly upon us. So are the days of "selling my RED -- can't afford it -- need RED Pocket cam instead". If it weren't for the warranty not transferring, I'd almost just plan on buying someone else's pre-owned and hardly used RED sometime early next year.

Ya supply is going to be massive and it would not suprise me if we see red cameras on ebay selling for $10,000-$11,000. Stephen posted a link to a guy that tried to sell a red on ebay last week. It looks like he did not get a single bid. I am also tempted just to wait a bit and pick one up for cheap off of e-bay.

A lot of rental houses rent gear at around 1% of value so $250 for a $25,000 red package. Then they also offer 2 or 3 day weeks so $500 to $750 a week. Some people are going to lose a lot of money on this camera.

[Martin Drew]

Stephen posted a link to a guy that tried to sell a red on ebay last week. It looks like he did not get a single bid.

Stephen loves to stir...

There were 2 auctions on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/RED-ONE-4K-Digital-Cinema-Camera_W0QQitemZ130155077091QQihZ003QQcategoryZ122 611QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250170811893&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015

Both Ebay auctions were ended early. in both auctions the cameras weren't actually available for sale because the seller hadn't taken delivery of the camera. The first auction required the buyer to pay a $2000 refundable deposit (minus $500 cancelation fee) to be paid within 48 hours of the auction's end. although the camera wasn't going to be available for over a months. In the second auction the seller required $5000 on completion of the auction.

It will be interesting to see what price the first RedONE that is properly sold on Ebay will go for. I don't believe it will fetch over the odds but I think it will get bids. I don't reckon you can read anything into the dodgy looking auctions which have been placed so far.

M

[Dan Blanchett]

Save your money for a great movie and hire a dp with a red system and save yourself a lot of headache and money.

That would be great advice if I was only planning to make one movie with no further aspirations. But I'm starting a production company, and I want to shoot with the RED myself. I plan to spend everyday shooting, on my projects, friends' projects, and just to learn, something I could not do if I had to rent or borrow. I'm very excited about that prospect.

As for renting it out, until I am proficient enough in my own right, I will likely only do that through my friends who are all working DPs and who have expressed a keen interest in using my gear (versus buying their own).

Finally, with the exception of the Red body itself, I am planning to buy quality equipment that will hold its value over time (in case I want to sell it later). Oconnor seems to fit that bill. (not that the RED isn't quality, but it's long term resale value is uncertain)

This seems like the right path for me, but maybe not for everyone.

[Dan Blanchett]

Thinkbug, do you really need that 2060 head? It's a monster.

Honestly, I'm not sure, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. The 1030HDS is still not cheap, and if I needed more weight capacity I may regret not having a sturdier option. I want something I can grow with too, not something that is maxed out from Day One. But I still need to think about it.

Your comment about vibrations is useful. In controlled, narrative filmmaking, I wonder how often that is an issue? If I was shooting jets launching off (or trapping on) a carrier, something I've done in the Navy, it would obviously be huge. :)

[Greg M]

If you can afford the 2060 it is a great choice....you wont regret it.

[chuck colburn]

And get wood sticks with it if vibration being transmitted thru the legs is a worry. Amateur astronomers use little round vibration isolators at the tip of the tripod feet. I don't know if they are availble for the weight range of your setup. What is important is to keep the load balanced over the center of gravity of the head with a sliding base plate.

[Dan Blanchett]

What is important is to keep the load balanced over the center of gravity of the head with a sliding base plate.

That begs another newbie question: I know the max is 60lbs, but is there a minimum, optimal weight for the 2060? If the set up at a given time is only 27lbs or even less, is that easy to counter-balance? I recall hearing that sometimes too light is an issue as well.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Your comment about vibrations is useful. In controlled, narrative filmmaking, I wonder how often that is an issue? If I was shooting jets launching off (or trapping on) a carrier, something I've done in the Navy, it would obviously be huge. :)

The only time vibrations have been an issue for me is when I'm shooting in an industrial environment. Since moving to carbon sticks from aluminum, I have had less issue with vibrations on factory and shop floors as well as construction sites. Vibrations are still an issue with carbon, it just muffles them somewhat in comparison to aluminum.

[Finner]

That begs another newbie question: I know the max is 60lbs, but is there a minimum, optimal weight for the 2060? If the set up at a given time is only 27lbs or even less, is that easy to counter-balance? I recall hearing that sometimes too light is an issue as well.

To light of a camera set up performs poorly on to heavy dudy of a head. Heads list max and min weight requirements. To get the best performance from a head you want your camera to mainly be sitting at a weight that is right in the middle of the two numbers.

[Greg M]

the 2060 and 2575 are rated from 0lbs...they handle any size up to the max the same...thats they beauty of these heads over the cheaper heads

[Dan Blanchett]

Good to know!

[Finner]

the 2060 and 2575 are rated from 0lbs...they handle any size up to the max the same...thats they beauty of these heads over the cheaper heads


Sorry but this statement could not be more wrong.

I've operated with the 2575 for over 8 years and it comes no where close to performing the same with a 25-30lb set up as compared to a 70 lb set up. With any camera that will weigh in at 30-37lb's complete I rent the sachtler 7+7 way over the 2575. The 2575 does not work that well with too light a camera, I can not comment on the 2060 as I have never used it but it is based on a similair design platform so I would lean to thinking it would react the same way. Companies will tell you often 0 as the starting weight as it can handle 0 or 1-lbs but no head performs well under weighted. Check out some online reviews on the heads as those will give you much better information.

[Greg M]

Sorry but this statement could not be more wrong.

I've operated with the 2575 for over 8 years and it comes no where close to performing the same with a 25-30lb set up as compared to a 70 lb set up. With any camera that will weigh in at 30-37lb's complete I rent the sachtler 7+7 way over the 2575. The 2575 does not work that well with too light a camera, I can not comment on the 2060 as I have never used it but it is based on a similair design platform so I would lean to thinking it would react the same way. Companies will tell you often 0 as the starting weight as it can handle 0 or 1-lbs but no head performs well under weighted. Check out some online reviews on the heads as those will give you much better information.

I have only used the 2575 with a 435 package, but I based my earlier statement on a phone call I made to OConnor several months ago where I asked them this very question and they told me that the new heads are rated from zero pounds to the max listed. I asked them if that meant I could put a 10lb camera on the head and expect the same action as a 50lb camera and they said "absolutely".
So either they are full of crap or they have made changes to the "C" version of the head that is the current model.

I would like to know myself now before I order. My Red will be here next week...looks like I should rent one and test it before ordering.

[Finner]

That would probably be a good idea. I do not believe I have used a "C" version 2575 head. Personally I can not see any head working the same at 5lbs of weight as compared to 70lbs of weight. Every head I have ever used works best in the middle of its weight range. I could be wrong though with oconors new heads, it would really suprise me if they created a head that could do that though.

Anyone with experience with these new "c" model heads your input would be great.

[Greg M]

I dont know if my rental house has the C model, I'll check on Monday and if he does Im sure he'll loan it to me.

[Steve Tammi]

Looking good for the group purchase... Just a reminder that I will be sending the vendor information out (to eveyone who wants to place an order) on Tuesday October 16th. So if you haven't already PM if interested.

Steve

[Sean Michael Johnston]

Steve, is there a chance that given enough interest your vendor would want to do another group purchase in December or January? I'd bet that alot of people are like me in wanting to wait until a date that is closer to when their cameras ship.

[Greg M]

Sorry but this statement could not be more wrong.

I've operated with the 2575 for over 8 years and it comes no where close to performing the same with a 25-30lb set up as compared to a 70 lb set up. With any camera that will weigh in at 30-37lb's complete I rent the sachtler 7+7 way over the 2575. The 2575 does not work that well with too light a camera, I can not comment on the 2060 as I have never used it but it is based on a similair design platform so I would lean to thinking it would react the same way. Companies will tell you often 0 as the starting weight as it can handle 0 or 1-lbs but no head performs well under weighted. Check out some online reviews on the heads as those will give you much better information.

Ok, did some testing today and I stand corrected. The 2575, although a wonderful head does not perform as well with a 30lb camera...ideal weight seems to be 60-80lbs.

I would guess based on this that the 2060 is better suited and likely has a sweet spot around 35-65 lbs, although I did not have one to test.

[Michael Ragen]

Is anyone else thinking about going with the 1030hds instead of the 1030hd? I know you sacrifice tilt range but are there other factors to consider between these two heads?

[Häakon]

Is anyone else thinking about going with the 1030hds instead of the 1030hd? I know you sacrifice tilt range but are there other factors to consider between these two heads?
I'm struggling with the dilemma at this very moment and I'm not sure what the best option is, quite frankly. I honestly feel that the wider tilt range is a big benefit for the kinds of shooting I do, and I can't imagine my RED setup surpassing more than 30 pounds. The body is only 10, and I don't have 20 pounds of extra accessories I'm looking to clamp to it. Yet I keep reading posts of people's configurations that apparently weigh 35lbs. or more, and I'm scratching my head as to where all of this extra weight is coming from. Another advantage to the HD is that it's cheaper, though they're both close enough in price that it's really not a factor. I feel like I'm still leaning toward the HD but keep having doubts...

[Poi Boy]

I'm going with the HD.
Aloha
-A

[david farland]

Steve,

I'm looking to order:

1. 1030HD Package
2. 25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage Tripod
3. Oconnor hard case and soft case for above.

This also suits me as the dealer (or oconnor) should put assembled head/tripod into soft case and then place soft case into hard case for shipping.
(at least that's what oconnor told me for individual orders).

Now if I'm 110% sure I can do this with the non-connor cases I'm happy to take that path.

Couple of questions,

1. Did the dealer respond on price for the oconnor cases?
2. Should I discuss the soft/hard case choice with the dealer to finalise the order?
3. Any thoughts on lead times?

Again...many thanks,
David

[jimhare]

Hey David, I have sent you a PM.

Jim Hare

[Michael Ragen]

The accessories add up. That's why I'm thinking about the HDS. Once you have upper and lower rods, an lcd, a evf, follow focus, mattebox, maybe a lens motor, battery, drive, it's gonna be heavy. With the 18-50mm lens it might be alright, but what if you want to throw a 18-100 cooke zoom on there? It's a tough choice, especially since the prices are so similar.

[Häakon]

Yeah, I hear you. I feel like I'm leaning toward the HDS now just to be safe. Manny said that this simple setup (http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1363&d=1191306996) is running him 40 pounds without the batteries or charger! That's just insane. He barely has any accessories in there and that mattebox is not heavy; I have the very same one. Perhaps my brain is thinking metric or there's something else really obvious that I'm missing here. Did they forget to tell us that the lens weighs 25 pounds?

[david farland]

1. 1030HD Package
2. 25L Carbon Fiber 2-stage Tripod
3. Oconnor hard case (or Tuf Pak) and soft case for above


Firstly, correct me if I wrong but for shipping this setup is 36"x11"x11" and weights 19kg.


Haakon,
I'd hate to go to the 1030HDS if I didn't have to.
40lbs for that setup seems strange, plus battery, drive & evf and your looking at 50lbs! Oconnor says the 1030HD is good for 35lbs.
Something's wrong!

Cheers,

[Michael Ragen]

David, is your reason for not wanting to go with the HDS just the sacrificed tilt range or is there another reason? Both the HD and the HDS weigh 8.2 lbs according to B&H.

[david farland]

That's correct.

Don't want to sacrifice 90º tilt on the HD for 60º on the HDS if I don't need to.

It's a toss up between the inconvenience of never having that extra
30º tilt on the HDS versus the smoothness of your pan/tilts if you're always going heavy (35-45lbs) with the HD.

Cheers,

[BTT]

Hi,
I've been following the discussiona on heads because I'm also looking at an O'Connor setup. I wanted to share that the camera setup pictured here weighs 29 lbs (no evf or hard drive on there). It's like lugging a dead body around... a very nice dead body mind you...
Best,
Simon.

[Ryan Gaw]

I would like to order one as well.....any chance this can happen again?

[Andrew Benz]

Hi,
I've been following the discussiona on heads because I'm also looking at an O'Connor setup. I wanted to share that the camera setup pictured here weighs 29 lbs (no evf or hard drive on there). It's like lugging a dead body around... a very nice dead body mind you...
Best,
Simon.

29lbs?... Sons of Zeus... :blink: :weight_lift: :) Thank You Simon for the hard data!

Hey Steve Tammi... got your pm, will e-mail you sunday.

Have good weekend-- Andrew

[Dan Blanchett]

Steve, I'll PM you with my order on Monday (yeah, last minute, I know). I am fairly convinced that the 2060 is the right choice for me, and safest. Still trying to decide what sticks to get, but leaning toward the Sachtler Cine 150 long.

But my camera won't be here until Mid-December, so I wonder how late your distributor will fulfill the order?

[Häakon]

I would like to order one as well.....any chance this can happen again?

He hasn't placed the order yet; you have until Monday to send him a PM.

[Häakon]

Hi,
I've been following the discussiona on heads because I'm also looking at an O'Connor setup. I wanted to share that the camera setup pictured here weighs 29 lbs (no evf or hard drive on there). It's like lugging a dead body around... a very nice dead body mind you...
Best,
Simon.
Thanks for that info, Simon. It appears that most users are clocking their rigs in around 30 pounds and I just don't feel comfortable maxing out my head. Looks like I am going to bite the tilt range bullet and get the HDS. My setup will probably be somewhat similar to what you have pictured, and I'd like to have some elbow room if I need to add anything. At 29 pounds, you're already riding the uppet limit of what the HD can hold - and it's better to be a little shy of what you can theoretically pile on top anyway. I appreciate some actual numbers, that's very helpful.

[Dominic Jones]

Yeah, I hear you. I feel like I'm leaning toward the HDS now just to be safe. Manny said that this simple setup (http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1363&d=1191306996) is running him 40 pounds without the batteries or charger! That's just insane. He barely has any accessories in there and that mattebox is not heavy; I have the very same one. Perhaps my brain is thinking metric or there's something else really obvious that I'm missing here. Did they forget to tell us that the lens weighs 25 pounds?
Haakon, I think that weight is for the kit and the case - and the weight includes one battery (i.e. shooting config) but not the extra 3 batteries + charger - so although we're still looking at a fair weight for the rig, it's not that insane!

That's my reading of the thread that's from, at least...

I'm in the same boat as you and David, though - I'd love to get the 1030HD, but I'm worried about weight and I really don't want to get a tripod that's not going to live up to the job - that's just wasted money. The full 60º tilt of the HDS is a deal-breaker for me (I just like top shots way too much to get head that restricts me on tilt!), so it's a tough choice. I'm really wanting to go O'Connor, but I'm starting to look at the Panther X-15 as well...

Looks like I'm off to a trade show to play with a 35lb or so rig on a few heads in the near future!

[Steve Tammi]

Hey everyone,

I left the country on short notice last week and won´t be back until next Tuesday evening so there will be a day or two delay before I submit the order. I hope everyone is cool with that.

We have been shooting with a O´Connor 2060 head on some heavy Sachtler sticks this week. The RED has been outfitted with Ultra Primes and Super Speeds with Arri MB20 and FF5. I will try and weigh the rig tomorrow so you can have a hard number.

Best,

Steve

[Dan Blanchett]

We have been shooting with a O´Connor 2060 head on some heavy Sachtler sticks this week. The RED has been outfitted with Ultra Primes and Super Speeds with Arri MB20 and FF5. I will try and weigh the rig tomorrow so you can have a hard number.

Steve, let me know how it performs on that combo as well, since that is pretty much what I'm leaning towards.

[david farland]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192329644.gifhttp://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192329902.gif
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192329973.gifhttp://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192330061.gif

Figured I post a couple of quick snaps to get a visual on it all.
all the tilts are 90 or 60 degrees.

Sorry don't understand the notion of thumbnails!

Cheers,

Dave

[david farland]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192330762.gif
Here is another top shot at 60 degree tilt with level tripod legs.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192331799.gifhttp://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/48_1192330893.gif
And here are shots with the tripod legs splayed to get 90 degrees down.
Next need to check whether yours or oconnor legs can splay like this miller (sure it can)

Cheers

[Mark Mannschreck]

Yeah, I hear you. I feel like I'm leaning toward the HDS now just to be safe. Manny said that this simple setup (http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1363&d=1191306996) is running him 40 pounds without the batteries or charger! That's just insane. He barely has any accessories in there and that mattebox is not heavy; I have the very same one. Perhaps my brain is thinking metric or there's something else really obvious that I'm missing here. Did they forget to tell us that the lens weighs 25 pounds?

Hey Häakon -

That camera configuration weighs in at 30lbs - That's with a battery. The case itself is around 10lbs. The 40lbs was for case and camera minus 2 batts and charger. With all 3 batts and charger the case weighs 48lbs.

- Manny

[Häakon]

Hey Häakon -

That camera configuration weighs in at 30lbs - That's with a battery. The case itself is around 10lbs. The 40lbs was for case and camera minus 2 batts and charger. With all 3 batts and charger the case weighs 48lbs.

- Manny
That's good to know; thanks for the update. 30 pounds is still pushing it though; that's the absolute maximum you can put on the HD. What happens when you add the drive or a bigger lens? I'm planning on using a BFD with mine... I'm just not sure I can make it fly with the lighter head.

The obvious solution is to test everything once I get the camera... but this darn group purchase is coming too quickly! D'oh.

[david farland]

After realising I can tilt the tripod to get the full 90 degrees up & down and after hearing Manny saying the weights starts at 30lbs without disk drive, long lenses or evf, I'm enclined to go the 1030HDS at $250 more.

Steve, I'll send you a pm to update.

Cheers,

[Häakon]

Hi David,

I thought the point was that the pull direction of the head's maximum weight limit should not ever exceed 60 degrees, whether or not it's from tilting the tripod legs or the head itself. If your solution is workable, then I'm with you on getting the HDS - but I'd like some further confirmation on if that strategy is an acceptable workaround.

Best,

Häakon

[david farland]

Good point. I guess you're saying as you move the centre of gravity too far under the 'horizon' of the suspension bearings and counter springs in the fluid head....will it have an effect?....but not knowing how the 1030 float/counter balance system actually works, it's speculation.
John Beale has pulled apart an Oconnor Model 30 here (http://www.bealecorner.com/fx1/OConnor30/index.htm)

Definitely something to ask Oconnor though.

Also gotta ask yourself how often will the head be locked off at -90 degrees and how often are you going to tilt (& pan) throught the full -90 degrees.

Cheers,
Dave

[Ivan G]

This thread is driving me crazy! I was set on buying the 2060 and now it sounds like the HDS will work too. But the whole 90º concept is bothering me. :sad:

[Dominic Jones]

Not sure how often one would want a 90º tilt on sticks, to be honest - most of the time you're going to end up shooting your legs doing that, unless you're on a long lens, which leads to the question of what are you shooting? Maybe useful through a glass floor or similar, but unlikely to be of major use, as far as I can see (am I missing something?).

More of a concern (for me at least) is tilt from a jib arm or other such support, which would require the full 90º tilt to get a vertical shot.

Nice idea though, and if it solves your problems then that's great - I'm thinking I may have to spring for the 2060 in all reality, however...

[Michael Ragen]

Did anyone else lose the pm's they sent in with their order?

[Osler Go]

I suspect we all may have. According to the forum, the last time I logged in was October 14. After Reduser was restored, everything after October 15 including any subsequent posts/private messages appears to have been lost.

Hope Steve did not already place the order and I missed out somehow?

[Häakon]

I think we're all in the same boat here... best bet is just to send Steve your information/order again and he'll get back to us when he returns. He hasn't placed the order yet.

[Steve Tammi]

If all goes well I will PM everyone with the vendor info tonight so you can finalize payment, shipping etc. I will also let you know on this public forum that the PMs went out so we don't miss anyone.

Best

Steve

[T. Glen Phelps]

Welcome back Steve.

[Steve Tammi]

I sent everyone interested in the O'Connor "Group Buy" a PM containing the vendor information.

If I have inadvertantly left you off the list let me know ASAP!

As noted in the PM all orders need to be in by Friday November 2, 2007.

Best,

Steve

[Steve Tammi]

Sorry, I never did weight this configuration...

I will say the 2060 head on a heavy set of sticks is absolutely wonderful! There will probably be a 2060, and heavy sticks, in my future but for now 90% of the work I do can be accomodated using the 1030HDS with 25L legs. Nice light and capable.

Steve




We have been shooting with a O´Connor 2060 head on some heavy Sachtler sticks this week. The RED has been outfitted with Ultra Primes and Super Speeds with Arri MB20 and FF5. I will try and weigh the rig tomorrow so you can have a hard number.

Best,

Steve

[T. Glen Phelps]

Steve,

I also have an MB-20 and FF5 setup. I'm trying to find out which filter ring/lens adapter to use for the RED zooms. I PM Blair earlier but he has not gotten back to me yet.

[Steve Tammi]

114mm


Steve,

I also have an MB-20 and FF5 setup. I'm trying to find out which filter ring/lens adapter to use for the RED zooms. I PM Blair earlier but he has not gotten back to me yet.

[darryl phinnessee]

Hi Steve,
I did not get a return PM from you.
I am interested in the 1030HDS
and O'Connor Sticks (still deciding between the 25L & 35L)
Darryl Phinnessee
(ginseng) Red #691

This is a copy my current PM to you Steve. I am re-iterating it here also to make sure you get it. Seems you didn't get myfirst one.
Thanks in advance.

Darryl (ginseng)

[T. Glen Phelps]

Steve, I know that it is 114mm, however, the one I have is treaded and the RED lenses don't seem to be threaded. The ARR description and part number are: 138mm filter ring K2.47190.0(phi 114mm).

[Steve Tammi]

Hmmm, good question... I don't have the Arri part number with me it is at home on my invoice.


Steve, I know that it is 114mm, however, the one I have is treaded and the RED lenses don't seem to be threaded. The ARR description and part number are: 138mm filter ring K2.47190.0(phi 114mm).

[T. Glen Phelps]

I'll stop tying up the thread with MB-20 questions but if you happen to come across the part number for the filter ring/connector you're using just PM me.

Thanks,

Tracy

[Ivan G]

Hi Steve,

I have not received a pm from you. Please send me the info. What tripod do you recommend for the 2060?

Thanks!

[Steve Tammi]

Strange, I just checked and have a copy of the PM to you with the vendor info. I will send it again.

I don't have a recommendation for sticks to put under the 2060. I have not used enough combos to really say. In Spain we used Satchler. They were very capable and quite heavy but I do not know the part number.

Best,

Steve


Hi Steve,

I have not received a pm from you. Please send me the info. What tripod do you recommend for the 2060?

Thanks!

[david farland]

Steve,

Many thanks for all your hard work on this!!
It's easily saving me 25% off my local supplier's quote.

Thank you,
Dave

[Stacey Spears]

Hi Steve,

I did not receive a PM either. I sent you a PM this AM.

Best,

Stacey

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Guys,

Anyone who did not receive a PM from Steve, just send him a new one. I'm in the same boat. With the Reduser.net crash last weekend, many posts were lost and so were a lot of private messages from 10/12 thru the crash. We probably didn't receive a PM from Steve because he doesn't have one from us to begin with.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Steve,

I called the vendor, and she took good care of me (Nice accent too!). I want to thank you for doing this for myself and the rest of us. It's saving a lot of money, and I owe it all to you.

Thank you again

Jay

[Steve Tammi]

You got to watch out for that southern accent... I ended up married to a sweet southern girl. Well not just for the accent but the assets too, oh and a great personality. :)

Steve


Steve,

I called the vendor, and she took good care of me (Nice accent too!). I want to thank you for doing this for myself and the rest of us. It's saving a lot of money, and I owe it all to you.

Thank you again

Jay

[Ivan G]

Is it just me or am I losing it. When I get PMs from this site, it alerts me as soon as I enter reduser.net. But for some reason that hasn't happened for some time now and I've got 4 messages. However, I did manage to contact the source. Thanks again Steve!

[Steve Tammi]

I use to get those alert messages but haven't in quite awhile. I have re-trained myself to watch the upper right corner of the screen for "Private Messages: Unread"

Best,

Steve



Is it just me or am I losing it. When I get PMs from this site, it alerts me as soon as I enter reduser.net. But for some reason that hasn't happened for some time now and I've got 4 messages. However, I did manage to contact the source. Thanks again Steve!

[JoshBertrand]

Got my order in with Michelle too. She is super nice! I have a strong feeling they will be seeing more business from us in the future.

I just wanted to give my gratitude to Steve again for setting this up. We really appreciate that you put the time into it!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I use to get those alert messages but haven't in quite awhile. I have re-trained myself to watch the upper right corner of the screen for "Private Messages: Unread"

Go into the User Control Panel and you can turn that setting on and off. It may have got mixed up somehow. Forum software upgrades can occasionally change settings like that. The forum can also alert you by email if you have a PM.

[C.H.Haskell]

Thanks for all your efforts Steve...
I spoke with Michelle, she is very helpful and kind as well...I hope I can manage to jump on this deal, its just too sweet!

[Dan Blanchett]

Just got my price quote from Michelle. She was fast and friendly. Thanks again Steve!

[WesG]

hi guys,

Hard for me to call from Australia - anyone have Michelle's email address??

thanks
wes

[Steve Tammi]

Sent you a PM


hi guys,

Hard for me to call from Australia - anyone have Michelle's email address??

thanks
wes

[Osler Go]

So what tripod systems did you all finally decide on?

(And Steve, thanks again for an outstanding job coordinating all of this. Thank you!)

[Glenn Dreher]

Hi Steve,

I'm a little late in responding, but I would be interested in being a part of an Oconnor 2060HD bulk purchase as well. Do you have a commitment from enough RED users to meet the bulk discount? I expect to take delivery of my RED most likely in late January and would like to have a head and sticks for that date. Any details you can provide would be helpful in my planning.

Thanks for grabbing the reigns on this one.

Glenn Dreher

[Steve Tammi]

I sent you a PM with the vendor info.

Best,

Steve


Hi Steve,

I'm a little late in responding, but I would be interested in being a part of an Oconnor 2060HD bulk purchase as well. Do you have a commitment from enough RED users to meet the bulk discount? I expect to take delivery of my RED most likely in late January and would like to have a head and sticks for that date. Any details you can provide would be helpful in my planning.

Thanks for grabbing the reigns on this one.

Glenn Dreher

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Hi I'm very interested as well and maybe I'm to late but it's worth giving it a shot.

Thanks,

fred

[JoshBertrand]

Weirdcrew,
PM Steve. I'm sure you can still order since the vendor deadline isn't until November 2.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Thanks

[Dan Blanchett]

So what tripod systems did you all finally decide on?


I'm getting a Sachtler CF tripod for my oconnor 2060 head. It's light but supports nearly as much weight as the aluminum sticks. Best of both worlds.

[Charles Adams]

We are leaning towards two Miller Arrow 55 setups ourselves.

Those 2060HD heads are massive. 16 lbs for the head alone, 7.6 inches tall, and 11.3 inches wide!

[Jim McKinney]

Hey Steve,

Is it possible to get a 20-60 with a Mitchell base?

[Ivan G]

I'm getting a Sachtler CF tripod for my oconnor 2060 head. It's light but supports nearly as much weight as the aluminum sticks. Best of both worlds.

Are you referring to the EFP series? If so, you might as well get the aluminum (11lbs) version vs the carbon fiber 9lbs and holds 100 lbs more.

[Steve Tammi]

Yes, just confirm with the vendor.

Best,

Steve


Hey Steve,

Is it possible to get a 20-60 with a Mitchell base?

[Steve Tammi]

From Michelle...

If everyone places their orders as scheduled, we will get an additional discount that will save everyone $50 off of the quoted price. If we order 20 systems, or more, we can all save $90 each.

We need to get conformation on the orders, which means please fill out and fax those credit card authorizations. We are not charging credit cards until the order is placed. So far I have 5 forms and promises of 9 more by Nov 2nd.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I know some of you people like to wait until the last minute... Well, that minute is rapidly approaching. :)

[Jay A. Kelley]

This last minute is here.. It's pucker time!
Jay

[Jay A. Kelley]

Steve you and Michelle did a great job on this.. I only hope our Arri buy goes as well!

Jay

[Michael Ragen]

Just confirmed my order with Michelle for an OConnor 1030hds package. Thanks again Steve.

[Mark Pedersen]

Steve,
I just picked up on this thread, and was interested in a Sachtler 3012 system. Is that available at a discount, or just the O'Connor?

I may be interested in the O'Connor as well, just haven't had a chance to check it out.

I will PM you as well but can you repond to this and let me know if it's too late?

[Adrian Correia]

Steve and Michelle are amazing....1030HDS ordered with half an hour to spare!

[Mark Pedersen]

Can someone pass on the info?? PLEASE?

[Michael Ragen]

Michelle just called and said if they get two more orders we get a bigger discount so they are placing the final order on Monday.

Mark, check pm.

[LAO]

I want to purchase a 2060HD with sticks. Please include me in this order if placed.

[Adrian Correia]

I want to purchase a 2060HD with sticks. Please include me in this order if placed.

you have to contact them....pm steve for details

[Steve Tammi]

Just got back in town...

I think I have PM'd everyone interested in the group purchase. If you have procrastinated but still want in on the deal make sure you call Michelle first thing Monday morning and you MIGHT make it in under the wire.

Thanks to everyone for participating.

Group hug,

Steve

[Vince Arvidson]

Agreed, Michelle was great to deal with.

Steve, thank you very much for arranging this. Its most definitely appreciated.

Hopefully they get those extra two orders in time!

Vince

[Dan Blanchett]

Michelle still needs 3 people to get the extra discount, and the gear has to be Oconnor. Any other takers? Today or tommorrow morning is all the time that's left.

[jimhare]

Michelle still needs 3 people to get the extra discount, and the gear has to be Oconnor. Any other takers? Today or tommorrow morning is all the time that's left.

Rory from Mine Films PMed this morning looking for the vendor details. Might be another order there. I don't have the details but someone should get back to him if they do.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/sendmessage.php?do=mailmember&u=732

[david farland]

Rory's speaking to her!

[jimhare]

Rory's speaking to her!

Cool!

[planet e]

Belated thanks to you, Steve, for doing all this legwork and saving us all some money.

Got my order in at the last minute. Nice folks at that company.

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

All the 2575 heads i´ve been working with had mitchell system. Do you know the dissadvantages of a 150mm bowl vs the flat mitchell monuting plate?

Also, i am getting confused with the different plates for attaching the red one to the head.
I guess the head comes with an Arri plate.
Red sells an arri plate (with 19 or 15" bars).
But also there is a standard plate in the standard pack.
I´ve been shooting with the RED but i dont remember the plates since i was the DP and not the AC. Can anyone tell me what this all mean?
Thanks guys!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I can't say for sure, but I like to think the Mitchel mout is a bit more robust. Other than that, the key difference is you don't level your system at the tripod head, you level the supports on which the head sits. I would prefer the Mitchel mount approach for heads that will regularly be used on jibs, dollies, carts, MoCo applications, etc..

That said, a ball mount can work the same way. Just level the support system and then make sure the head is level too. It's just one more thing to level up.

[Greg M]

All the 2575 heads i´ve been working with had mitchell system. Do you know the dissadvantages of a 150mm bowl vs the flat mitchell monuting plate?

Also, i am getting confused with the different plates for attaching the red one to the head.
I guess the head comes with an Arri plate.
Red sells an arri plate (with 19 or 15" bars).
But also there is a standard plate in the standard pack.
I´ve been shooting with the RED but i dont remember the plates since i was the DP and not the AC. Can anyone tell me what this all mean?
Thanks guys!

I prefer the Mitchell plate, but it really depends on your needs. I own a Jib that is Mitchell based and rent a Fisher Dolly on most shoots which is also mitchell, so the 150mm ball just gets in the way. If you dont use these items you might be better off with the 150mm.

As far as the top plate goes, it really doesnt matter (they will all work w/ Red)...if you dont know go with the oconnor plate...if you have an Arriflex go w/ Arri, if you rent Panavision on most shoots Panavision, etc...otherwise just stick w/ oconnor plate.

BTW- the 2575 is too big for the Red...go w/ the 2060 instead.

I just read Jeff's post- yes the advantage to the ball head is its easy to level as opposed to the Mitchell. With the Mitchell you have to level the sticks instead of the head. But as I said it depends on your use.

I ordered 2060 w. Mitchell base and Oconnor plate and alum legs (baby + standard) w/ mitchell base...hope that helps.

[Miguel "Macgregor" De Olaso]

Thanks a lot dFX!

Well, a fully loaded RED is as heavy as any other camera.

I think the 2060 might be good for the red, but i´ve used the 2575 with all cameras that i normally use (varicam, HDCAMs, Arris) and even with a "light" varicam, it performs beautifully.

The 1030HD is not sufficient for cine style.

A red one fully loaded is heavier than a Varicam, ergo, i better pay the extra money and get something that will cover all situations. XD

Thanks for the clarification on the plates topic.

BTW, i was interested in the baby tripod, but reading the specs it says minimum height 10 cm, how can this be so low?Is the spreader opening soooooo much to let us go so low?

[chuck colburn]

Is the ball head removeable on the 2575? This use to be a standard practice on fluid heads. It would then revel a standard Mitchell base.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'm going to agree with digitalfx in regards the 2575 head. Unless you are continuously using very overloaded setups, it's just overkill. I'd be curious to know what configurations you will be using to justify the 2575???

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Chuck, I think the ball mount is removable. But it's not a Mitchell base underneath, I think the ball would have to be swapped for a Mitchell plate. All of O'Connors heads can be ordered with a ball mount or mitchell base.

[chuck colburn]

Chuck, I think the ball mount is removable. But it's not a Mitchell base underneath, I think the ball would have to be swapped for a Mitchell plate. All of O'Connors heads can be ordered with a ball mount or mitchell base.

Ah I see. I must be thinking back to the days when ball heads were new and various companys offered the units to modify the standard base . Still it seems that it would make sense to build them so it could be a quick swap out. Might be economics or something.

[chuck colburn]

If your head of choice uses a 100mm ball and you want to mount it on a crane, dolly etc. which always have a Mitchell base you can go this route which would keep you from having to swap out the base on the head itself. I assume you can use the standard tie down that works with the ball head.
Also handy if your using a Mitchell high hat on your camera cart.
And lets you use those beautiful and steady Mitchell wooden legs which can sometimes be had for a song.

http://www.filmtools.com/mitchell-100mm-ball.html

[Greg M]

Thanks a lot dFX!

Well, a fully loaded RED is as heavy as any other camera.

I think the 2060 might be good for the red, but i´ve used the 2575 with all cameras that i normally use (varicam, HDCAMs, Arris) and even with a "light" varicam, it performs beautifully.

The 1030HD is not sufficient for cine style.

A red one fully loaded is heavier than a Varicam, ergo, i better pay the extra money and get something that will cover all situations. XD

Thanks for the clarification on the plates topic.

BTW, i was interested in the baby tripod, but reading the specs it says minimum height 10 cm, how can this be so low?Is the spreader opening soooooo much to let us go so low?


I was going to get the 2575 too, but after receiving the Red I feel its not quite heavy enough for the 2575. The 2060 should be a much better mate.

The 2575 works best w/ a 60-80lb package, whereas the 2060 has a sweet spot around 35-65 lbs.

The Red fully configured is 30-45 lbs.

4" huh....seems pretty low...have not tried the newer CINE HD BABY yet, I guess I will find out.

[C.H.Haskell]

I was seriously trying to pull funds together for this purchase but I was just curios if my Cartoni Focus head will handle a RED package. I know this may have been answered but if you have an idea please fill me in. The head can balance up to 22 pounds so I suppose it depends on how heavy a RED you build. What is the average RED build weight...owners?

[Greg M]

30lbs for this rig:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5457&highlight=configuration

You might be able to get it down to 22lbs, but it would be a very basic camera.

[Steve Tammi]

I had the RED with 18-50mm zoom, LCD with arm, Arri MB20 with 18" steel rods on the Cartoni Focus and it could not handle the weight.

Steve


I was seriously trying to pull funds together for this purchase but I was just curios if my Cartoni Focus head will handle a RED package. I know this may have been answered but if you have an idea please fill me in. The head can balance up to 22 pounds so I suppose it depends on how heavy a RED you build. What is the average RED build weight...owners?

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Haskell,

The Cartoni Focus has been mentioned around here off and on... Sadly, it won't handle RED.

If you're on a real tight budget and want something good. Seriously take a look at an old O'Connor 50D or something similar. There's a 50D head with sticks on ebay right now that had a buy it now price of like $450. To say it looks well used would be and understatement, but it may not be a bad buy for the price. Seller claims it all still works just fine, and it probably does.

Another route to consider is talking with various rental houses and see what they have for b-stock or anything coming back on lease return or similar. I found a killer deal on a refurbished Miller Arrow 55 system with the Sprinter II 2-stage CF sticks, mid spreader and a soft bag. This same system sells for about $5800 from B&H, but I picked it up for less than half of that after shipping. It looks great from the pictures, but I won't know for sure until tomorrow when UPS delivers it. :)

[C.H.Haskell]

I cry...

Thanks guys for the quick feedback in regards to my Cartoni. I scope out used market and maybe even just go the 1030HD head for now and figure out some sticks later.

Cheers.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Hate to burst your bubble, but be careful with that 1030HD head too. You can definitely use it with RED and it looks like a lot of people are going to (Jim uses it too). But you will be limited to some pretty light configurations. Anyway this thread covers most of that.

If you're going to spend that amount of money (in the range of the 1030HD), I highly recommend the Miller Arrow 55. Go take one for a test drive, you will not be disappointed and it has a maximum load limit of 15lbs more than the 1030HD head. You can get a full Arrow 55 setup with sticks for about the same price as the 1030HD head if you shop around.

[Michael Ragen]

Just got my receipt in the mail. Anyone know when this stuff starts shipping?

[Alexander Nikishin]

Is it still possible to get in on the deal?

I'm loooking to buy the 2060.

What sort of a discount are we looking at?

[Ivan G]

You should contact Michelle. I got a great deal on my 2060 and Tripod.

[Alexander Nikishin]

How much did it cost you Abu?

Which sticks?

[Poi Boy]

yes, I'm curious as well...
-A

[Ivan G]

In not at the office right now but I believe it was 8100 for the head (package) I can confirm tomorrow if you'd like with the legs.

[Greg M]

the prices are listed in this thread...the final price was only a few dollars less.

[Alexander Nikishin]

Good deals!

Is there a group Arri buy going on?

[Häakon]

Is it still possible to get in on the deal?
The deal ended last monday, after we tried to get as many people onboard that we could for over a month. :-) You're a little late!

[Poi Boy]

thanks for the answer digitalfx, i'll look through the 20 pages.
-A

[david farland]

Good deals!

Is there a group Arri buy going on?

Do you mean for the Arri D20?

[Alexander Nikishin]

Do you mean for the Arri D20?

But ofcourse...... not!

MB20?

FF4?

[Alexander Nikishin]

thanks for the answer digitalfx, i'll look through the 20 pages.
-A

LOL, check pages 5 and 6.

[david farland]

Arri Mattebox deal will go through one way or another. Ditto for FF4.

Jay is waiting for Arri Inc sales rep to come back from Germany (within the week)

I've a quote which I'm reviewing terms from local Arri but will release with Jays (if he hurries and pulls his guy's finger out!)

Cheers,

[Greg M]

thanks for the answer digitalfx, i'll look through the 20 pages.
-A

sorry, next time I'll dig through the 20 pages for you....:bleh:

[Ivan G]

2060 $8120.00
EFP 2D $1389.00

and more.... :sorcerer:

[Alexander Nikishin]

So who's heading the Arri group buy?

[Dan Blanchett]

So who's heading the Arri group buy?

That would be Jay.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5441&page=15

[Alexander Nikishin]

That would be Jay.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5441&page=15

Thanks!

[Poi Boy]

sorry, next time I'll dig through the 20 pages for you....:bleh:

you are so kind, thank you.
-A

[Greg M]

you are so kind, thank you.
-A

only for you though...since our serial numbers are so close

[Alexander Nikishin]

only for you though...since are serial numbers are so close

Our. :tongue:

[david farland]

Correct for US based deal.....however, I'll be posting a similiar deal for aussi's that don't want a grey warranty arrangement.

Cheers,

[Greg M]

Our. :tongue:

dont think just because you helped me out with my spelling that I'm going to start searching for yours posts too.

[Poi Boy]

dont think just because you helped me out with my spelling that I'm going to start searching for yours posts too.

your
-A

[Blue]

Correct for US based deal.....however, I'll be posting a similiar deal for aussi's that don't want a grey warranty arrangement.

Cheers,

Yes! That would be most welcome. Though Oz only has a small head-count so even a large group might only number 5.

[planet e]

that was fast! my o'connor tripod just delivered via fedex. 25L legs and 1030HDS head. thanks to steve tammi for coordinating this opportunity. 25L legs are surprisingly light...

now all i need is a RED camera to go with it....

[Ivan G]

Just received my EFP 2D! Patiently waiting for my 2060... Thanks to Steve & Michelle!!!

[Peter Richardson]

Got my 35L's and 1030HD today. Awesome. Thank you again Steve for saving us all a lot of money! Michelle has been working some incredible deals for me on a lot of other gear, as well. They have certainly won my business.

Peter

[Greg M]

Finally received my 2060 set today...she looks great. Thanks Steve for putting this together!

[T. Glen Phelps]

Called the vendor today to order some of those nice cases for my 2060. Was told that the GROUP PURCHASE PRICES ARE STILL GOOD UNTIL AT LEAST THE END OF DECEMBER. So if anyone else wants to get in on the deal, there still offering the same fantastic prices!!!!!

Also was told the were working a deal with Schneider Optics to offer some really great deals on Schneider Filters.

[Peter Richardson]

Custom Supply is also offering deep discounts on Fujinon lenses (for the EFP crowd), the Quantum LTO 600a drive, and CalDigit HDPro's -- they've literally saved me I think $8-9k in the last two months. And they're nice to work with :)

Peter

[Tai Wah Lim]

Called the vendor today to order some of those nice cases for my 2060. Was told that the GROUP PURCHASE PRICES ARE STILL GOOD UNTIL AT LEAST THE END OF DECEMBER. So if anyone else wants to get in on the deal, there still offering the same fantastic prices!!!!!

Also was told the were working a deal with Schneider Optics to offer some really great deals on Schneider Filters.

Glen,

Can you provide the vendor contact information?

[Siva Kollipara]

Congratulations guys on receiving your sets.
Is there any one negotiating such deals on Poorman's tripods like manfrotto/Bogen 526 etc? Please let us know

[KETCH ROSSi]

Hey Steve thanks a bunch for setting this up, BJ the current contact, is an incredibly great fellow,
and aslo thanks to Greg (digitalfx) Brook and other for your suggestions.

This is what I have decided to go with:

2060HD (MITCHELL BASE)
CINE HD TALL (MITCHELL BASE) + SPREADERS + Molded Case
HI HAT (6") (MITCHELL BASE)

And ofcourse a bunch of both SCNEIDER 4x5.65 filters and B+W Screw ins for all my Canon Glass.

Thanks again to you all.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com

[Alexander Nikishin]

I'd stray away from adapters in all.......

With all O'Connor heads, you have the ability to remove the tie die for the base that is currently strapped to your head and swap it for another base.

That's the exact reason I purchased my 2060 with a 150mm bowl.....

Leveling is much, much, much more simple with a bowl mount, and just as sturdy as Mitchell if well cared for......

Then if and when a show calls for tons of Mitchell work (Dolly, Jib) I strap the Mitchell base and tie down on and it's a Mitchell now.

[David Mullen ASC]

Bowl mounts aren't strong enough for a heavy 35mm camera, but would be fine for the RED or a Super-16 camera.

I started out using bowl mounts in film school with 16mm cameras, so when I started shooting in 35mm, I insisted on using a bowl mount, only to have it constantly slip due to the weight of most 35mm cameras, no matter how much you tightened it (and tightened too much and you sort of defeat the purpose, which is to be able to quickly level the camera). A Mitchell flat base is much safer in that regards.

[KETCH ROSSi]

I could not agree with you more David,

with my limited experience in this heart filling industry that is so full of tools, of any size kind and purpose, it some time becomes such a big place to be in, and have so much to learn, especially when as in my case I intend to learn a bit of all and refuse to rent, as I want to built my company from the ground up.

At my disposal is only the continuos questioning for answers and explanations about this and that, only been able to draw from my extensive photography experience.

This was one of those cases as I wanted to constantly use Ball heads instead of gear heads, as the Ball heads are a snap to put in place, move around quickly before your shot is lost, but the price you pay with heavier set ups and larger super telephoto lenses, is exactly as you described, you have to tightened so much that becomes harder to let loose the grip and move around again, quickly, before loosing your next shot.

So I went for the Mitchell mount for all my gear, fluid heads, gear heads, sticks, dollies and all, one mount one solution, a safe one for sure.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

[Shawn Nelson]

Sorry I haven't read this whole thread, but what prices are in this deal for a Cine HD Aluminum and Cine HD Baby Aluminum sticks? Thanks!

[KETCH ROSSi]

Sorry I haven't read this whole thread, but what prices are in this deal for a Cine HD Aluminum and Cine HD Baby Aluminum sticks? Thanks!

Hey Shawn,

You got to talk to BJ, same contact info I sent you for the filters deal.

About$ 1,500 each.

Ciao

KETCH ROSSI

[Ivan G]

Well luckily for me I won't be using a 35mm setup :sarcasm: So I think the 150 bowl will work perfect for quick leveling etc. I mean how much would a full blown RED weigh, 45 lbs? I'm hoping the 2060 should be a perfect match. I also purchased the mitchell mount just in case.

[Unwounded]

I'd stray away from adapters in all.......

With all O'Connor heads, you have the ability to remove the tie die for the base that is currently strapped to your head and swap it for another base.

That's the exact reason I purchased my 2060 with a 150mm bowl.....

Leveling is much, much, much more simple with a bowl mount, and just as sturdy as Mitchell if well cared for......

Then if and when a show calls for tons of Mitchell work (Dolly, Jib) I strap the Mitchell base and tie down on and it's a Mitchell now.

How easy is it to change from bowl mount to mitchell? a couple of minutes in the field or something you do in the shop the day before? Is it practical to buy the head with a ball mount and then buy the mitchell mount as well? How much does the other mount cost? Could you describe exactly what you mean by the tie down? Thanks.

[Ivan G]

If I remember correctly B.J. said it was a matter of minutes to swap mounts.

I believe the mitchell mount was around $350.00 but I'd have to double check the invoice.

[Alexander Nikishin]

How easy is it to change from bowl mount to mitchell? a couple of minutes in the field or something you do in the shop the day before? Is it practical to buy the head with a ball mount and then buy the mitchell mount as well? How much does the other mount cost? Could you describe exactly what you mean by the tie down? Thanks.

It takes about 5 minutes to change from a bowl to Mitchell mount and can be done in the field no problem. Either mount is held down by 4 hex bolts at the bottom end that can be removed. Both the 150mm bowl and Mitchell mount have tie downs. The tie down for the 150mm bowl mount acts as your fastener to the tripod when leveling. It's the piece you are always unscrewing and re-screwing when leveling your ball head. The tie down for the Mitchell mount is more of a permanent fastener which locks the head and Mitchell base together.

IMO it's very practical and ideal to purchase both mounts....I find myself having days where I'm on a dolly more often than sticks and that lends the Mitchell mount its merits.

As David said, if you're shooting on a monstrous camera such as a Panavision Millenium, a Mitchell mount is ideal, but for a RED setup, even if it is fully decked out with a heavy zoom, your rig will weigh no more than 50-60lbs. Thus making a 150mm bowl more than solid enough for use with a RED and IMO the ideal mount as it allows for quick and easy leveling while maintaining a secure base.

If memory serves me correct, the Mitchell or 150mm bowl mount w/tie down for the 2060 run for about $400-$500. Long story short, buy a 150mm bowl, your AC will love you for it, so will your tripod leg locks!

[Andrew Benz]

Just got off the phone with B.J. and prices for O'Connor are still great... as a matter of fact, prices for Satchler, Miller and O'connor tripod system are quite good.

I thought I would bring this up since we have loads of cameras that have just been delivered and I thought many of you might be in the same boat as myself. The great thing about dealing with B.J. is that even if you feel that you are solid on your decision, he will go over other similar options within that price range to make sure that "you" are making the best decision based on your background work, your current/future needs and expectations. B.J. works hard to find the right fit for each customer. Pushing a brand is not his concern... he can get almost anything, but is quick to point out others who may have a better price or a product that he cannot offer. A bit of front end communication goes along way to make sure any decisions made are right the first time.

Personally, I feel B.J. is an incredible resource... Former Broadcast Engineer who always liked hanging out with the photogs-- how the hell does that happen?:)

I thought others would appreciate the latest info. I hope this helps others who are in the same boat looking for answers.

A big thanks to Steve Tammi for starting this thread and helping push a great way for Red Users to get both great information and fantastic prices.

Cheers,

Andrew

PS--Full disclosure. No connection to Custom Supply or B.J. Purcell. My decision is based on extensive research (the net, speaking to other customers and learning of their experiences... not to mention my personal experience w/ other purchases) and speaking to many other Equipment Sales companies to get quotes/info. I am very happy to spend my hard earned coin with B.J. and Custom Supply. It is a similar experience to working with Stephen Pizzo at Element Technica. Just great people...

[Peter Richardson]

Just got off the phone with B.J. and prices for O'Connor are still great... as a matter of fact, prices for Satchler, Miller and O'connor tripod system are quite good.

I thought I would bring this up since we have loads of cameras that have just been delivered and I thought many of you might be in the same boat as myself. The great thing about dealing with B.J. is that even if you feel that you are solid on your decision, he will go over other similar options within that price range to make sure that "you" are making the best decision based on your background work, your current/future needs and expectations. B.J. works hard to find the right fit for each customer. Pushing a brand is not his concern... he can get almost anything, but is quick to point out others who may have a better price or a product that he cannot offer. A bit of front end communication goes along way to make sure any decisions made are right the first time.

Personally, I feel B.J. is an incredible resource... Former Broadcast Engineer who always liked hanging out with the photogs-- how the hell does that happen?:)

I thought others would appreciate the latest info. I hope this helps others who are in the same boat looking for answers.

A big thanks to Steve Tammi for starting this thread and helping push a great way for Red Users to get both great information and fantastic prices.

Cheers,

Andrew

PS--Full disclosure. No connection to Custom Supply or B.J. Purcell. My decision is based on extensive research (the net, speaking to other customers and learning of their experiences... not to mention my personal experience w/ other purchases) and speaking to many other Equipment Sales companies to get quotes/info. I am very happy to spend my hard earned coin with B.J. and Custom Supply. It is a similar experience to working with Stephen Pizzo at Element Technica. Just great people...

I second everything Andrew wrote here. BJ and Custom Supply are the best -- best prices, best customer service. MAJOR thanks to Steve for introducing us all to these wonderful folks.

Peter

[Mitch Gross]

I'm sure BJ offeres great prices and service, but I'd ask that some of you give Abel a shot as well. If you feel that BJ offers better pricing or handles your needs better, then please by all means go with him. But we do aim to please and have worked directly with several manufacturers to offer special pricing. Just thought I'd give it a shot...

[Michael "Dorkman" Scott]

I was actually just about to give a shout-out to Abel here.

I went in to Abel to pick up my O'Connor head and sticks and the guys there were extremely helpful. When they found out I was buying it for a RED package they actually mentioned a package that they had specifically for RED users, one which wound up saving me thousands over even the cheapest prices I'd found online.

Apparently the demand from RED users is higher than O'Connor anticipated and some of the pieces of the puzzle have been on backorder for a while. Abel has been very conscientious about keeping me apprised on the situation and has even helped me out with alternative solutions in the meantime.

James is my guy in L.A. and I'm very happy with my experience at Abel. I highly recommend checking them out.

[Peter Richardson]

I'm sure BJ offeres great prices and service, but I'd ask that some of you give Abel a shot as well. If you feel that BJ offers better pricing or handles your needs better, then please by all means go with him. But we do aim to please and have worked directly with several manufacturers to offer special pricing. Just thought I'd give it a shot...

Yep, no disrespect meant against Abel -- you guys are great and I've certainly bought a fair amount of gear (including my first OConnor head) from you guys.

Peter

[Andrew Benz]

Yep, no disrespect meant against Abel -- you guys are great...

Peter

I absolutely agree... if I lived on either coast and had the need to rent often then that relationship would certainly translate into sales. But, I live in the South and rent from Dallas.

I always appreciate Mitch's contributions here and at xxx.com. I certainly hope that I did not step on anyones toes. I was just really happy with my experience with B.J. and thought others would appreciate first hand, honest feedback from someone who has nothing to gain from it but maybe a little forum goodwill.

O.K. back to the salt mines...

Andrew

PS- Peter, I hope your doing well and am very glad to hear that things are going well for you as well. I look forward to seeing your rig with a nice Fujinon on it... :-)

[Mitch Gross]

Andrew, certainly I took no offense. I'm glad B.J. did well by you. I just wanted to throw Abel's hat in the ring as well.

[Peter Karlsson]

Does anyone have an email adress to customsupply?!? Im sorry, but fax is not something I´ve used the last 10 years :I

/Regards Peter K

[david farland]

BJ Purcell at bjp@mediasupplystore.com

Cheers,

[Peter Karlsson]

Thanks!

[Pawel Achtel]

I always appreciate Mitch's contributions here and at xxx.com.
Ahmmm, Andrew, I don't doubt Abel's abilities for a minute, but I don't think that the legs offered at xxx.com were contributed by Mitch :w00t: Nice legs, though.

[Andrew Benz]

Ahmmm, Andrew, I don't doubt Abel's abilities for a minute, but I don't think that the legs offered at xxx.com were contributed by Mitch :w00t: Nice legs, though.

Pawel, that's brilliant and well deserved!:)

On another note, I hope that you got a Red for your very important wildlife shoot. I was thinking about your predicament when I was watching BBC Earth the other night hoping you had a solution for your project.

Cheers,

Andrew

[Mitch Gross]

Uh oh, has my secret life been revealed?

[Pawel Achtel]

On another note, I hope that you got a Red for your very important wildlife shoot. I was thinking about your predicament when I was watching BBC Earth the other night hoping you had a solution for your project.


Thanks Andrew. The support of this community and Red Team were amazing. I expect my camera to arrive very soon. The shoot is on and scheduled to start on 12 of June. I am packing and panicking already.


Uh oh, has my secret life been revealed?
Good to know you can supply "other legs" too, Mitch. Just got a quote from Abel's Jerrod Haarstad and, boy, it is looking hot... :)