New glass with S35 coverage @Indie_prices! [Archive]

Emanuel A.

09-19-2007, 06:23 AM

I can't mention yet who is behind this offer, but I could know about a lenses manufacturer that is prepping to launch new glass offers into the market next February/March.

Succeeding the RED ONE release, with 35mm coverage. A T3 25-85mm zoom and two wide angles: 18mm and 10mm!!

I've been in touch with the president of the company and he has advanced a price of US $5,000 for the zoom and US $2,500 for each prime.

More to come next days.

Sanjin Jukic

09-19-2007, 06:24 AM

Thanks Emanuel.

M.Halsell

09-19-2007, 06:39 AM

And the plot thickens! Very promising and exciting news. Thanks.

Jaime Vallés

09-19-2007, 07:24 AM

Excellent news, Emanuel! Can't wait to find out more... Would you know if they are in PL mount? Thanks for the info!

Matt Uhry

09-19-2007, 08:08 AM

I'm glad that someone will make an 18mm to fill the hole in Red's proposed set. I hope they can match front diameters and gear spacing with Red.

A low cost, modern 10mm is great news too.

Matt
www.mattuhry.com

Emanuel A.

09-19-2007, 09:04 AM

PL mount, 100% cine glass design. We are their target, that is, the RED users realm.

Actually, they had been thinking to launch a set of fast 18mm, 22mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm lenses and they've been confirming that schedule for 2008. US $2,500 each. But the person with who I've been speaking with, he didn't want to advance any date for the release beyond the 18mm plus a wider/widest 10mm primes and the zoom. The first batch. Then later, the others will come.

Sanjin Jukic

09-19-2007, 09:05 AM

PL mount, 100% cine glass design. We are their target, that is the RED users realm.

Actually, they had been thinking to launch a set of fast 18mm, 22mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm and they've been confirming that scheduled for 2008. US $2,500 each. But the person with who I've been speaking with, he didn't want to advance any date for the release beyond the 18mm plus a wider/widest 10mm primes and the zoom. This will be their first release. Then later, the others will come.

Emanuel, are new affordable Russian lenses are coming up???!!!

Zack Birlew

09-19-2007, 09:07 AM

$2,500 for each prime? S35 coverage? ...*falls to the floor*

Great news!

Emanuel A.

09-19-2007, 09:15 AM

The same person has been asking some time before an official announcement. I hope to be allowed to do an unofficial one next week. We'll wait and see.

Matt Uhry

09-19-2007, 09:41 AM

Tell them to make a 28mm instead of a 24mm. 22mm and 24mm is a little redundant.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

Michael Hastings

09-19-2007, 09:59 AM

If this is for real and if there is a proto 10mm we would really like it for an underwater test being scheduled by a current camera owner.
Call me at 954 937 6600 if this is possible.

I can't mention yet who is behind this offer, but I could know about a lenses manufacturer that is prepping to launch new glass offers into the market next February/March.

Succeeding the RED ONE release, with 35mm coverage. A T3 25-85mm zoom and two wide angles: 18mm and 10mm!!

I've been in touch with the president of the company and he has advanced a price of US $5,000 for the zoom and US $2,500 for each prime.

More to come next days.

Martin Drew

09-19-2007, 10:00 AM

Hi Emanuel

What speed for the primes?

M

Emanuel A.

09-19-2007, 10:41 AM

Concerning the speed, it was said but I'm not sure. It will be something between T1.2-1.4, I think. Frankly, I don't remember the right figure. This talk had place two months ago. Only yesterday, I could have the confirmation about the zoom + 18mm + 10mm release.

They were testing the RED and the 18-50mm. So, there's someone here (I believe) with the same information than I.

Andrew Benz

09-19-2007, 11:00 AM

Jim Perry, Jr.

09-19-2007, 11:35 AM

PL mount, 100% cine glass design. We are their target, that is, the RED users realm.

Actually, they had been thinking to launch a set of fast 18mm, 22mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm lenses and they've been confirming that schedule for 2008. US $2,500 each...

man... it seems that every since RED released its fury onto the industry
other companies\individuals have been sparked to create cost effective
products for the masses (indies)! This is a very good thing. :)

Martin Ludwig

09-19-2007, 12:00 PM

imho there will be a lot of movement in the market - i heard the whistle of
angenieux, planing a red optimo in the lower range for less money than the
optimos....

Jaime Vallés

09-19-2007, 12:19 PM

It will be something between T1.2-1.4, I think.

Wow. Super fast S35 PL prime lenses for only $2500 each?! This makes me rethink the whole SLR lens issue...

Corrado Silveri

09-19-2007, 12:30 PM

Thanks Emanuel, can't wait to hear more news...

laguun

09-19-2007, 12:41 PM

imho there will be a lot of movement in the market - i heard the whistle of
angenieux, planing a red optimo in the lower range for less money than the
optimos....

would be clever, however, it would surprise me - angenieux 35mm zooms seem to be pretty sold out, last time i asked they had ~8 months waiting line

jamesedwelland

09-19-2007, 12:55 PM

http://optica-elite.com/default.aspx

Milan Nikolic

09-19-2007, 01:47 PM

Great news Emanuel. Thanks. We will be waiting.

Mark B.

09-19-2007, 01:56 PM

With all the new people that are going to be in the market for these types of lenses, it's not surprising to find new companies are getting into the mix. That's good news.

I Bloom

09-19-2007, 03:06 PM

http://optica-elite.com/default.aspx

I was looking at the elites. I used them once, the glass is very sharp, the mechanics are good but not superb.

In any case, they are priced in Euro, so if you make dollars they don't make a lot of sense in comparison to the RED Primes*IMHO. (assuming the red primes can match them in quality). They are faster lenses but in comparison the RED lenses have the Cooke /i.

Maybe if you pay in Rubles they might give you a deal.

IBloom

donatello b

09-19-2007, 03:55 PM

elite also makes 35 digital primes .. they are listed in the price list ..

http://optica-elite.com/price/pages/Price.aspx

remember any manufacturer can re-evaluate their price structure based on selling more units ... by this time next year there could be 2500 Reds out there and most need lens ...

Finner

09-19-2007, 04:34 PM

Wow. Super fast S35 PL prime lenses for only $2500 each?! This makes me rethink the whole SLR lens issue...

Me to.

Don King

09-20-2007, 08:34 AM

Is there any idea as far as the weight is concerned?

Don King

09-20-2007, 08:52 AM

OK, 3, 4 pounds for the zoom. I'd like to have an idea about the primes.

Emanuel A.

09-20-2007, 09:16 AM

I've been submerged with PMs yesterday and today. Please, be patient. Maybe next week, I may inform you with something more.

Disclaimer: the PMs are private messages -- this information shouldn't be public, OK?

(..) they had been thinking to launch a set of fast 18mm, 22mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm lenses (...)

Tell them to make a 28mm instead of a 24mm. 22mm and 24mm is a little redundant.

I stand corrected: 18mm, 20mm, 24mm, 35mm, 55mm, 80mm.

But I wouldn't say that they're completely sure about this release in any way other than as the zoom and both wide angles (18mm + 10mm). I believe that they've been changing their scope since they know the RED 18-50mm and 50-150mm are reaching the streets. And the 18-85mm was delayed.

Moreover, there won't be RED prime 15mm before the Spring, at least. The Elite's 9.6mm is EUR 6300 (US $8,875). For less than that (US $7,500) you can have a zoom and a wide angle, for US $10,000 you can add a 18mm. Will there be better offer out there?

Andrew Benz

09-20-2007, 09:20 AM

Wow. Super fast S35 PL prime lenses for only $2500 each?! This makes me rethink the whole SLR lens issue...

Me to.

This makes me rethink all my planned pl mount purchases.

Hi, my name is Andrew and I am addicted to Glass... :)

Bring it on Emanuel, I know you will not disappoint! :innocent:

Ah, I see you posted... If the glass holds up under testing then this will be the best offer out there. Thanks for bringing it up E.

Obrigado my friend--- Andrew

Emanuel A.

09-20-2007, 09:37 AM

Andrew Benz

09-20-2007, 09:57 AM

I hope not! But I'm not the manufacturer, I hope you may understand.

My only thought when I brought this information to here, it's why I've been changing information with some of you about options. And I think it wouldn't be fair for all of you, to keep this information with myself. Without share with my fellows of this community. When I know that now with the RED ONE release, a lot of you are committing with new purchases without delay.

Hi E.,

Oh I know you are not the manufacturer, my comment was in reference to how YOU have been very supportive of this community w/ various intel... like you said above. I will still get some RED glass... I just look forward to testing these new lenses.

You are a good man E., I am appreciative of all your efforts here!

Domo Obrigado Mr. Roboto....

PaulClements

09-20-2007, 10:36 AM

Hi Emanuel,

Sounds interesting. I'm sure you won't be able to give details, but does this person or company have any other lenses out there currently available and if so how are they regarded by DP's/cameramen etc?

The price sounds excellent. But of course if the quality is lacking it's of little consequence. Please note I'm not trying to put them down, I genuinely hope more companies like this will lower the price of lenses without compromising quality.

Paul

Stephen Williams

09-20-2007, 10:53 AM

Hi Emanuel,

I genuinely hope more companies like this will lower the price of lenses without compromising quality.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Then you should wait for the Red primes & 18 - 85mm zoom.

Stephen

Emanuel A.

09-20-2007, 11:31 AM

Hi Emanuel,

Sounds interesting. I'm sure you won't be able to give details, but does this person or company have any other lenses out there currently available and if so how are they regarded by DP's/cameramen etc?Yes Paul. And they have had good acceptance as far as the glass concerns. On the mechanics, I have listened different opinions. Although on this I'd like to hear what Matt has to say on subject. I think he will be the right person to help us to figure out if this will be or not the best deal. I hope to have all the information available during next week. I hope.

PaulClements

09-20-2007, 02:15 PM

Hi Paul,

Then you should wait for the Red primes & 18 - 85mm zoom.

Stephen

Hi Stephen,

That's basically what I am doing anyway. I'll rent for the time being and/or go the birger mount route and take a look at lenses next year at some point. The 18-85mm sounds like a much better lens if it gets made.

Paul

Stephen Williams

09-20-2007, 02:19 PM

Paul,

The best lenses like a fine wine take time to perfect.

Stephen

PaulClements

09-20-2007, 02:53 PM

Fine wine eh? They cost sh*tloads and you stick them in a room doing nothing for 20 years? :)

If I could I'd buy Cooke S4's. I simply love the craftmanship that goes into them and chatting to Les and Geoff at IBC only emphasized that. It's because of this knowledge that when I hear of lenses being made so cheap I know they must being cutting corners by comparison because you couldn't pay someone less than the price it's selling for and get the same quality. It takes 6 weeks to make a Cooke lens, if you sold it for 2500 that'd be $416.67 a week!

Paul

donatello b

09-20-2007, 03:05 PM

the RED 18-85 is back in the Red store " coming soon " ... you can add it to your cart ...

http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/77

Martin Drew

09-20-2007, 03:19 PM

Yes Paul. And they have had good acceptance as far as the glass concerns. On the mechanics, I have listened different opinions. Although on this I'd like to hear what Matt has to say on subject. I think he will be the right person to help us to figure out if this will be or not the best deal. I hope to have all the information available during next week. I hope.

Are you playing with us Emanuel? Seems like you chucked in a few big clues there.:wink:

M

Emanuel A.

09-20-2007, 04:41 PM

; - )

NEXTLEVEL

09-26-2007, 12:54 AM

Emanuel any update!

Matt Uhry

09-26-2007, 07:08 AM

If they want me to stop in and give feedback I'll be nearby St P. in December. I'm really going to go to Camerimage this year... ( always get a un-refusable job that week it seems ... )

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

Emanuel A.

09-26-2007, 10:25 AM

The owner lives in the US but I'll inform him, that's for sure. We all know your unbiased way of thinking here, Matt. You're the right man to the job. We need a balanced customer side.

I hope to have some news after a phone call tonight. He's in Toronto now. If he'll be available for a meeting, is there anyone available for the task? I'm far away these days between Portugal and Germany.

Emanuel A.

09-26-2007, 04:19 PM

Update: I've just called him. He wants to confirm me only tomorrow. But he has referred more than one zoom. Actually, more than two zooms. I hope that's mean good news. For tomorrow.

Matt Uhry

09-26-2007, 10:26 PM

OK, keep us informed. If they are serious it would be wise to let people know what is going to be offered, when and at what cost soon...

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

Emanuel A.

09-27-2007, 07:12 PM

Next update: next tuesday.

They've decided to launch a 12mm instead two 10mm + 18mm wide angles. Beyond (and plus) the zoom. The person with who I'm talking about, he didn't want to confirm the zoom's focal length, before next tuesday. But there'll be a zoom, that's already confirmed.

We'll wait and see.

jamesedwelland

09-28-2007, 12:50 AM

Raul Gonzo

09-30-2007, 08:20 AM

Does this mean no more 10mm? Or just not at their launch?

Emanuel A.

09-30-2007, 12:23 PM

Does this mean no more 10mm? Or just not at their launch?I'm afraid you're correct. The weight is their explanation.

David Nardini

09-30-2007, 12:43 PM

If this is for real and if there is a proto 10mm we would really like it for an underwater test being scheduled by a current camera owner.

WOW ... a prime 10mm (ideally a fast one !) ... for u/w usage would be sooo good. Mike ... keep us posted ;-)

Cheers

Mr. Paul White

09-30-2007, 01:17 PM

Who's Mike?

Joe Carney

09-30-2007, 04:49 PM

This sounds a lot like the guy who markets the optar illumina s16 lens'. He lives in the US (or Panama not sure). Most of his stuff is out of stock at the moment.

Emanuel A.

10-02-2007, 07:55 PM

Your guess about the name of the brand is right, Zeke. Concerning the rest, it's not accurate. Weston is a city located in Broward County, Florida, USA. Not in Panama. :-)

Here is:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5035

This tuesday, October 2 (in the United States 'cause it's already October 3th 3:00 AM here in Europe where I am now), as promised.

Michael Hastings

10-02-2007, 08:41 PM

Who's Mike?

I'm Mike. I make underwater housings (see other threads) so for us a 10mm (or 9.8 referenced in another thread) would be great.

This sounds a lot like the guy who markets the optar illumina s16 lens'. He lives in the US (or Panama not sure). Most of his stuff is out of stock at the moment.

Are you talking about Jorge Diaz Amador / Cinematechnic? He lives in Miami. Or Jon Kitsen that imported the K3 16mm camera? (used to live in Florida - lost track of him)

I live in Weston - underwater housings but no connection to the lens importation.

WOW ... a prime 10mm (ideally a fast one !) ... for u/w usage would be sooo good. Mike ... keep us posted ;-)

David: March/April 2008: for their normal primes. Few months later: (July August) for the T1.9/9.8mm (not fisheye) S35mm coverage.

That's a long time to wait for what might be vaporware.

OK, keep us informed. If they are serious it would be wise to let people know what is going to be offered, when and at what cost soon...

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

Ditto that, how about some ball park prices? Otherwise this all seems to be B.S. Jim Jannard gave us a price 2 years ago. (and I posted my ballparks seven or eight months ago.)

Emanuel A.

10-02-2007, 08:48 PM

That's a long time to wait for what might be vaporware.It's not. They already sell the most successful S16mm affordable glass set that's possible to find. The man is Gregory Mirand. It seems you live in the same city than him, so try to reach him. I'd be glad to help if necessary. PM me if you'll need.