2 questions

[Finner]

Hi all preped the red 8 today for a 3 day commercial starting tomorrow and have 2 questions I hope can be answered.

1. Every time we downloaded a flash card to hard drives we cleared it at the computer and then when we put it back into the CF module the camera always told us to reformat the flash card. Is there a way to clear the card after downloading it at the computer station that does not clear the format and make you have to reformat at the camera?

2. After downloading the files into red alert we had to wait for the footage to render before we could watch it. Is there a way around that so you can watch it as soon as you download it? The main reason I feel to watch it is to confirm that the file was not corupted but will red alert let you know if the file is no good and corupted without having to wait to render and watch it to know it is fine?

[Jannard]

1. Delete your .R3D files but leave the two camera files. Empty trash. Eject.

2. The QT reference files (should now be included in the file folder) will play immediately. The small QT wrapped file will play realtime. The large one won't).

Jim

[Tom Lowe]

I think this could possibly be the first already-established BILLIONAIRE actually answering a technology related post about product performance online.

HEHE~!

[Stuart English]

To add some time context here..

To reformat an 8GB CF card takes about 10 - 12 seconds. Or follow Jim's steps.


RED ALERT's make QuickTimes command (Command M) is instantaneous.

Then double click on the QuickTime of your choice, found in the same .RDC clip folder as the .R3D 4K RAW file(s) that make up that clip.


If you color correct the first frame of the clip in RED ALERT, the QuickTime movies will reflect that correction with no additional time penalty.


As Jim said the _P version QuickTime wil play in real time on a laptop, the _ D and _H won't, but they do offer higher resolutions that can be used to investigate any specific frames of interest.

[Jannard]

Depending on your firmware, you will have to Command M as Stuart suggested, but the latest firmware adds those automatically in your .RDC folder when you record. But then there is no color correction. Still good enough to check to see if the file is good. And you don't have to open RED Alert!

Jim

Jim

[Colin Sheldon]

Hi all, I’m the 2nd camera assistant on the commercial with Finner, and one issue I’m having is that the Quicktime files that I create using Red Alert will play fine in Quicktime, but when I dump them into FCP (6.0.1) they have to be constantly rendered to play. Is there a way around that?

Thanks! Loving the camera.

[Finner]

Thanks Jim for your answers as you can see Sheldon is taking care of the downloading and the main one in need of answers. Like Sheldon says "loving the camera" I am looking forward to the monitoring options and things becoming fully functioned but found a few work arounds that will work for now.

cheers to a great camera

PS in the prep lane beside us they had 2 vipers being preped for a tv pilot and you should have seen the decks and cables and people and digital image carts and...

Lets just say for a camera with 4 times the image of the vipers we had a lot simpler system to have to deal with.

[mdo]

I think this could possibly be the first already-established BILLIONAIRE actually answering a technology related post about product performance online.

HEHE~!

Just making a little extra cash. How do you think he got to be a billionaire?

[Jay A. Kelley]

Hey Jim,

It looks like I am staring at my first RED booking!! (Thank God!) It will be a one week shoot in December. My concern is that the shoot happens towards the beginning of the month, and I am #324. It was scheduled for Nov 10th, but now you're saying end of the month. Which is fine.

You still feeling good about that estimate, and do you think the accessories will have caught up by then?

I know I know, plan for the worst.. I will but it I want to give this potential client an "idea" of what to expect.

Thanks in advance!

Jay in St. Louis

[Finner]

Hi all, I’m the 2nd camera assistant on the commercial with Finner, and one issue I’m having is that the Quicktime files that I create using Red Alert will play fine in Quicktime, but when I dump them into FCP (6.0.1) they have to be constantly rendered to play. Is there a way around that?

Thanks! Loving the camera.

If someone from the red team knows the answer for this it would be really helpful. It would be nice to know before the production house editors start pulling out their hair from having to render all the time.

Thanks

[Stuart English]

A small secret - we let Jim have the very latest firmware builds ;-)

So although Jim described making QuickTimes on camera, this isn't in the field released code just yet. But it will be soon. If you are shooting this weekend, you will need to make any QuickTimes in RED ALERT.

Next step is storing basic camera color correction metadata along with the camera created QuickTimes. RED ALERT generated QuickTimes already store the result of the original camera metadata plus any RED ALERT color correction modifications.

[jbeale]

As Jim said the _P version QuickTime will play in real time on a laptop, the _ D and _H won't, but they do offer higher resolutions that can be used to investigate any specific frames of interest.

Speaking as one who's never used a Red, just trying to understand it... there are three versions of a Quicktime file for every .R3D clip (_P for low resolution, _D and _H higher resolution) ? And all of these can be edited in FCP, although only the _P version can be shown without rendering ?

[Brook Willard]

How complex will the camera-side color correction metadata eventually become?

[Rune Hansen]

To add some time context here..

If you color correct the first frame of the clip in RED ALERT, the QuickTime movies will reflect that correction with no additional time penalty.


Whoa. That's infinitely cool.

-rune

[Mark Thorpe]

If someone from the red team knows the answer for this it would be really helpful. It would be nice to know before the production house editors start pulling out their hair from having to render all the time.

ThanksMaybe in this case its best to get on the RED Line direct to HQ. Great to see the open architecture taking effect but 1 to 1 would serve you better and be more productive in the long run than posting here mate. IMHO.

Cheers,
Mark.

[Ramesh Jai]

I think this could possibly be the first already-established BILLIONAIRE actually answering a technology related post about product performance online.

HEHE~!
If you don't know how to cook don't open a restaurant.

[REDSUNSET]

Dear RED Friends;

I am red 958 & based in the Canary Islands, Spain (Best film Spot in Europe all year round).
I have to thanks all of you for shearing all the info, but yes this is RED filosophy. I just love it.
Just one thing for now. How can we get the actual shipping schedule?
Or simply anyone knows more or less when should we recieve our camera ?

Thanks a lot in advance, i am looking forward to meet all of you.

allllll Ataquerrrrr

[Nick Shaw]

Speaking as one who's never used a Red, just trying to understand it... there are three versions of a Quicktime file for every .R3D clip (_P for low resolution, _D and _H higher resolution) ? And all of these can be edited in FCP, although only the _P version can be shown without rendering ?

From what I saw at IBC, the three Quicktime proxys are at 0.5k, 1k, and 2k resolutions. The 0.5k and 1k will play in real time in Quicktime player and FCP, but the 2k won't.

But of course they were running the beta version of the FCP update for REDCODE support. Without that, you wouldn't be able to set REDCODE as FCPs timeline codec. I suspect with FCP 6's open timeline, you might get at least the 0.5k proxy to play in an SD ProRes timeline with no rendering if you had 'unlimited RT' switched on. Sheldon/Finner, I'd be interested to know if you can get that to work, particularly if you can get it to play out onto a broadcast monitor via a Kona or Decklink card.

[Rob Lohman]

Hi all, I’m the 2nd camera assistant on the commercial with Finner, and one issue I’m having is that the Quicktime files that I create using Red Alert will play fine in Quicktime, but when I dump them into FCP (6.0.1) they have to be constantly rendered to play. Is there a way around that

Working on it. Reason for that is the codec not having a compressor side at the moment. Weird way how FCP thinks ;)

[Rob Lohman]

RED ALERT generated QuickTimes already store the result of the original camera metadata plus any RED ALERT color correction modifications.

Except for the curve control in red alert, just so everyone knows....

[Rob Lohman]

But of course they were running the beta version of the FCP update for REDCODE support. Without that, you wouldn't be able to set REDCODE as FCPs timeline codec. I suspect with FCP 6's open timeline, you might get at least the 0.5k proxy to play in an SD ProRes timeline with no rendering if you had 'unlimited RT' switched on.

That is incorrect. Has nothing to do with the FCP update. As I replied above, this has to do with your codec having a compress side or not.

1K real-time should be working as well on a mac pro (after I fix the problem with the need to render).

[HD Hildebrand]

Hi all, I’m the 2nd camera assistant on the commercial with Finner, and one issue I’m having is that the Quicktime files that I create using Red Alert will play fine in Quicktime, but when I dump them into FCP (6.0.1) they have to be constantly rendered to play. Is there a way around that?

Thanks! Loving the camera.



Perhaps a silly question, but are your timeline settings correct. Click the timeleine, then hit command 0 and see if the settings match your footage.

Cheers,
Dale

[Dominic Jones]

But... There isn't a Redcode timeline option in FCP yet - so what timeline settings do you need to use, or can you use any that match the resolution (just out of interest really, until later this year when our Red ships)?

Is there a plan to include a Redcode (r3d) native timeline option in the future?

[jbeale]

Just one thing for now. How can we get the actual shipping schedule? Or simply anyone knows more or less when should we recieve our camera ?
(sorry, I know off-topic): there was a schedule, and then an update to that moving "10th of the month" to "end of the month", details in this thread: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4629

See also Jim's signature line: ("things will change"). The delivery schedule has shifted several times before and, although no one wants it to, it may well change again.

[roryhinds]

what sort of timeframe are we looking at for full REDCODE support in FCP as advertised on the RED/Apple promotional video?

Are we waiting on Apple or RED?

[Jay A. Kelley]

I am sad to say that my guess the program won't be up to full speed until year's end.. God I would LOVE to be wrong.

Jay

[Joe Carney]

I think Apple plans on releasing the upgrade to FCS2 in Oct. Maybe Redcode support will be in there.

[Rob Lohman]

Did y'all see my response above?

[roryhinds]

Hi Rob

So are you saying we'll have full REDCODE support in FCP soon, as in in a few weeks not months.

0.5k, 1k and 2k?

What about 4k?

[Rob Lohman]

FCP does not do 4K....

What I'm saying is that you will be able to edit without rendering soon. To get RT status and some other stuff you'll have to wait for an FCP update.

[Colin Sheldon]

Thanks Rob! At least now I know I'm not going crazy!