Red Insider's Manual

[FlipGo]

Hey everyone! So I'm just about to buy a RED for a production set to start in about a year in a half (we're currently in early early pre-pro). Anyway...I'm just wondering if anyone out there testing the available RED's is planning on putting together a Field-tested manual/how-to/tips compilation...

The reason I ask is because after reading through several threads it appears that lighting for the RED will be significantly different from lighting for HD and/or film... is this accurate, and what are your guys' thoughts?

On the other hand I'm happy to be posting for the first time after a month of lurking!

-F.G.

[Ryan E. Walters]

The reason I ask is because after reading through several threads it appears that lighting for the RED will be significantly different from lighting for HD and/or film... is this accurate, and what are your guys' thoughts?.

Could you light significantly different then film or HD? Sure you can. Can you light just how you have always been lighting for film or HD? Sure you can. Either way the flexibility of shooting in raw will give you a lot of options in terms on the amount of light you need to properly expose the image.

My recomendation would be to continue to light like you are for film, or for HD, and then adjust the camera as nessicary. With the ability to adjust the ISO on the spot, you have the ability to go to a fast speed "film" if you can't get the light levels you need at the current ISO.

However, just because you can go to a higher ISO, doesn't mean that you should. The greatest element of good cinematography is the careful placement of shaddows in a scene- do that well, and you're well on your way to creating a good visual film.

[Russ McDonald]

Could you light significantly different then film or HD? Sure you can. Can you light just how you have always been lighting for film or HD? Sure you can. Either way the flexibility of shooting in raw will give you a lot of options in terms on the amount of light you need to properly expose the image.

My recomendation would be to continue to light like you are for film, or for HD, and then adjust the camera as nessicary. With the ability to adjust the ISO on the spot, you have the ability to go to a fast speed "film" if you can't get the light levels you need at the current ISO.

However, just because you can go to a higher ISO, doesn't mean that you should. The greatest element of good cinematography is the careful placement of shaddows in a scene- do that well, and you're well on your way to creating a good visual film.

This a vary good point, and a principle to fallow. Experiment all you want push the envelope when your screwing around. But when it's magic time and what's on your screen, is going to define you as an artist and professional. Operate in the optimum rage of the gear.

[Jim McKinney]

after reading through several threads it appears that lighting for the RED will be significantly different from lighting for HD and/or film... is this accurate, and what are your guys' thoughts?

-F.G.

Hey FG, if you don't mind sharing, How are people suggesting that one should light that differently?

[Steve Sherrick]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Barry Green put together a Red book. He has for the DVX100, another revolutionary piece of gear at the time, and one for the HVX. Barry?

[Rick Darge]

I think Panasonic owns Barry's soul..

[Steve Sherrick]

You never know...

[Michael Schrengohst]

I think Panasonic owns Barry's soul..

Barry has a RED on order. I don't know what number but over
on DVXUser he said he had to go one-on-one with the RED
and then only the marketplace could tell if we need a REDBOOK.

[Rick Darge]

Awesome

[Noah Kadner]

Wasn't Gibby talking about doing a DVD for Red? The trick is making sure there are enough users to support the market. Is this a product folks would want even if they didn't own the camera?

-Noah:construction:

[mdo]

Wasn't Gibby talking about doing a DVD for Red? The trick is making sure there are enough users to support the market. Is this a product folks would want even if they didn't own the camera?

-Noah:construction:

Hard to say. My guess is that there is a potential for a significant amount of interest that goes broader than Red owners, since it would include not only Red owners but persons who rent the camera as well.

And the DVD doesn't need to have a high production value. I think persons who most want the data are going to understand that the project might not be viable with anything more than simple std def point, shoot and burn.

Gibby: Why not map out a table of contents for what a DVD like this would include and do a poll to see how many people would be willing to pay for it and at what price point?

[Gavin Greenwalt]

There's going to be an fxGuide PhD Course on RED.

Even better than a DVD imo.

[Charles Angus]

Personally I have a strong dislike for training videos. One can read faster than one can watch, and one can watch faster than one can listen.

Working with a Panny HDX-900 for the first time the other day I was able to whip out the manual and read the whole thing in 15 minutes. To convey that much information with someone talking would have taken hours.

But then I have always been best at learning from the printed word.

[Rob Worth]

I would love a training DVD for Red. Guaranteed sale for me.

[GlennChan]

In the NAB booklet/handout they were giving out, there was a mention of a Red DVD. Anyone know what happened to that?

[FlipGo]

well I can't seem to find the posts where I read it (it could've been offsite), although I do remember someone suggesting that shooting on RED will be closer to shooting DSLR/RAW than HD or celluloid...