Another mini-movie...

[Jannard]

This was shot without a tripod, matte box, monitor, a light meter or any adult supervision. RED 18-50mm zoom.

Jim

[Jannard]

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[Jarred Land]

thats not a typo in jims post.. he shot that shot with no monitor what so ever...

[sbroock]

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Jim -- That is so tasty.

Ready to fire up RED #39 and catch the equivalent of the taxis racing full throttle through the streets of NY picking up half alert coffee-addled fares.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jim,

I don't know a lot about racing, can you explain the rules of this kind of race? Or is it simply fastest car wins? It looks complex, at least the cars do.

Great looking footage.. What shutter speed?

Jay

[Desert Rune]

...shot could use a lens cleaner though...

[Jarred Land]

...shot could use a lens cleaner though...

you shoulda seen the camera when he brought it back.. melted rubber everywhere.

[Jannard]

...shot could use a lens cleaner though...

No kidding... there is so much nitromethane, rubber shreds and crap flying around that it is a miracle that the spots you see... are all you see. I was covered in black sh$t when I got back to the motorhome to look at the footage. Took an hour to clean up.

Shutter speed was about 1/500th, to the best of my memory.

These cars have 8000 horsepower. More in each cylinder than a NASCAR motor. It goes 0-330mph in less than 4.7 sec. (quarter mile). Some of the fastest production street cars do 0-60mph in 4.7 sec. 5 G's at the hit and -5 G's when the two chutes are pulled. Pretty incredible.

Jim

[Tonaci Tran]

insane clip. Though I crave for at least a 1k of it.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Damn! What's the top speed a car can reach in one of these things?!
Jay

[Jannard]

Damn! What's the top speed a car can reach in one of these things?!
Jay

They pretty much self destruct right at the end of a quarter mile. The record is 333mph.

What you are seeing in this clip is just the burnout before the run. It is only using a couple of thousand horsepower for this. :-)

Jim

[Rick Darge]

Radical

[Mark B.]

How much CO2 is that putting into the atmosphere? Time for some fully electric dragsters.

[Craig Harding]

How much CO2 is that putting into the atmosphere? Time for some fully electric dragsters.

WIRED article from March 99. (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.03/drag.html)


Into this bastion of heartland macho posturing comes mild-mannered Dennis Berubé, edging his car up to the start line. He spins the fat tires to warm the rubber for better adhesion, and then - he's gone! His dragster drifts away like a bird on the breeze, easily outpacing his rival, a 5-liter behemoth that bellows futilely as it falls behind.

The electric scoreboard shows that Berubé turned the quarter in less than 11 seconds. The gasoline-car drivers look at each other as if to say, What the fuck?

If a man with a high-powered rifle wandered into a primitive tribe where they'd been duking it out with wooden clubs, I imagine the reaction would be the same. The technology gap is so extreme, it makes the whole game seem pointless. After Berubé returns to the waiting area, a few drivers wander over and check his car with hard, calculating eyes; but most try to pretend that it doesn't exist. "Sure would be embarrassing to get my doors blown off by that thang," one kid mutters.

[filip kovcin]

hello redteam,

is it possible to send the same footage but in higher resolution?
thanks.

filip

[Andrew Benz]

They pretty much self destruct right at the end of a quarter mile. The record is 333mph.

What you are seeing in this clip is just the burnout before the run. It is only using a couple of thousand horsepower for this. :-)

Jim

One motor one run. Replace motor. Repeat.

I love drag racing. It is mind boggling the herculean human and financial resources that go into that one 4.7 to 5.0 second run... now multiply that into one season with more than one car and support team. We are now into the "Sweet Baby Jesus" strata of things...:)

Jim, I hope this is just one clip of the two or... seven that you are going to post when you have the time.:innocent: Thank you for posting... I do see the methodolgy to your madness.

QUESTION please, coming from that shoot and given the fact that obvious things like the supply of RED LCDs and firmware needs that are actively being met allowing the use of the EVF, 2K RAW... How do you see your RED RIG evolving for your lightweight hand held acquisition... and please something more than "add a top handle and go..." we are on to your ways:)

Cheers,

Andrew Benz

PS- Jim, I am very sorry to hear about John Force's accident, but I am thankful that he is alive and the doctors forsee a "full recovery" which I hope is the case. My best wishes go out to the entire extended Drag Racing Family... this day could have been alot worse.

[jbeale]

When I heard someone refer to these engines as a "5-second hand grenade" I thought it was a joke, but I guess that is more-or-less accurate!

Hmm- I gather the lens was pretty stopped-down in this shot? It's a rather low resolution, of course, but nothing seems obviously out of focus.

[CVB]

How much CO2 is that putting into the atmosphere? Time for some fully electric dragsters.

Electric cars get their energy from where? Thats right... COAL. In the US Coal is used to generate over half of the electricity we use. Its pretty safe bet that those "clean" electric cars are getting their electricity from coal. my $.02 :)

[Häakon]

Jim,

I thought the ultimate sin was to shoot in 4K and show off YouTube-sized clips! Give us some tasty 1080p! :-)

[Matt Setnes]

Everytime Jim embeds a QT file both my Firefox and IE browsers crash. Anyone getting the same problem or got an idea?

[Jannard]

Force's accident was really a bummer. But this is a very dangerous sport. One of Force's drivers and good friend of mine, Eric Medlin, was killed earlier this year. And his daughter, Ashley, was in a serious crash in Seattle. There is something very seductive about this sport that keeps us all coming back, even though it is an ecological nightmare (although on a small scale).

My rig is changing. I want light (I'm old and tired and like to run solo). I have added the RED LCD (now that we have a couple) and the RED 19mm rod setup with an Arri mattebox and lite follow-focus. It is just at my limit of weight with the battery onboard. I'm re-thinking how I can shave off a couple of pounds... not me, the camera. I'm also considering working out a bit, although the thought pains me. We have a few things in the works that might help, but in the end the camera is so satisfying that I'll do whatever necessary to keep shooting. I love it. I am so satisfied that I can't believe we made it this far.

Jim

[C.H.Haskell]

wow-- ok that looks incredible. Managed to stay in focus, image so rich and very unique. Refreshing.

[jbeale]

Everytime Jim embeds a QT file both my Firefox and IE browsers crash. Anyone getting the same problem or got an idea?

The embedded QT is working fine here (Firefox 2.0.0.7 on WinXP).


Electric cars get their energy from where? Thats right... COAL. In the US Coal is used to generate over half of the electricity we use.

Coal is not super-clean but overall, central power plants pollute quite a bit less than gas engines on a per-kilowatt basis. Of course few people want to watch an electric drag race, because it's pretty quiet... no bone-rattling soundtrack.

[Sam Druckerman]

My rig is changing. I want light (I'm old and tired and like to run solo). I have added the RED LCD (now that we have a couple) and the RED 19mm rod setup with an Arri mattebox and lite follow-focus. It is just at my limit of weight with the battery onboard. I'm re-thinking how I can shave off a couple of pounds... not me, the camera. Jim

I love light... I've been thinking about mounting the battery to the sticks, and then a battery clip for my belt for hand held.

[Manolo S. Navazo]

How much CO2 is that putting into the atmosphere? Time for some fully electric dragsters.

you like an electrical dragster??? watch this
http://www.eliica.com/

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2004/11/12/12elec_leadimage_400x192.jpg

okey okey, it is not an dragster but it is 370 km/h fast, only with batterie-power

now, there are also new batteries(lithium-titanat battery) on market, called "nanoSafe™ Battery" . you can charge 90% in 10 minutes.

greetz manolo

[Jason Francois]

Damn!

[Andrew Benz]

Force's accident was really a bummer. But this is a very dangerous sport. One of Force's drivers and good friend of mine, Eric Medlin, was killed earlier this year. And his daughter, Ashley, was in a serious crash in Seattle. There is something very seductive about this sport that keeps us all coming back, even though it is an ecological nightmare (although on a small scale).

Jim, what further saddens me about Eric's death was the fact that here is a guy who learned so much of his craft from his father, got a job w/ Team Force and worked his up to the drivers seat from the mechanics side. To me it is like a grip who worked his or her way up the chain for years and finally got that chance to helm (Direct or Produce) a project born of their own creativity w/ financial support. From what I have observed through the media, his skills/insight as a driver, the solid foundation of Team Force... there is no telling what kind of impact/contributions that he would have made for the evolution Drag Racing. I may be wrong but it seems he was just hitting his stride... It is just wrong on all counts.



My rig is changing. I want light (I'm old and tired and like to run solo). I have added the RED LCD (now that we have a couple) and the RED 19mm rod setup with an Arri mattebox and lite follow-focus. It is just at my limit of weight with the battery onboard. I'm re-thinking how I can shave off a couple of pounds... not me, the camera. I'm also considering working out a bit, although the thought pains me. We have a few things in the works that might help, but in the end the camera is so satisfying that I'll do whatever necessary to keep shooting. I love it. I am so satisfied that I can't believe we made it this far.

Jim

This is great information... I can relate. I need light for most things as well. Actually it is one of my top concerns. I never thought I would ever be a cameraman/producer again after my accident in 2001, I was told by a spine specialist to get over it and move on that I would never get any better... find something else to do for a living, here is a lifetime supply of opiates and some forearm crutches... and so did twentysomething other so called specialists. I would say that after quite a journey that is no longer the case. Free weight traing will soon be in my future again...:construction: :)

I am looking forward w/ great anticipation what you and the team come up on this front. I also want you to know Jim this personal project of yours gave me the focus and the strength to push through many, many road blocks... I am light years ahead of where I was dec. 2005 on all fronts. Overall, I cannot believe that all these elements are coming together for all of us.

Cheers,

Andrew

[Gavin Greenwalt]

How much CO2 is that putting into the atmosphere?

Probably a lot less than if all those spectators were driving somewhere at the same time. :)

[Evin Grant]

Damn! What's the top speed a car can reach in one of these things?!
Jay

Plaid!

[IAN SUN]

Nice... low slung, on the action, hand held.
I love it! My kind of shoot'n.

Great stuff Jim

[PaulClements]

Electric cars get their energy from where? Thats right... COAL. In the US Coal is used to generate over half of the electricity we use. Its pretty safe bet that those "clean" electric cars are getting their electricity from coal. my $.02 :)

What about solar powered drag racing :)

[Brook Willard]

Plaid!

:) Yes!

Nice looking footage... I'm glad to see some 1/500th footage... I've yet to experiment with anything beyond 1/48th.

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Jim.

Another sweet mini-movie.

[Curran Giddens]

What about solar powered drag racing :)

How about replacing the coal power plants with solar or wind, and replace our cars with electric or hydrogen-powered cars. Then we can all watch good ol' drag racing, guilt-free.

[number6]

I daresay that the computing pouer used by just the forum members on REDuser.net is equivalent to that used by most small cities. Our one best hope for energy sustainability is probably trusting the imagination of problem solvers to find better ways to harness energy, while doing what we can to conserve. An interesting approach is discussed at this link. http://www.springer-sbm.com/index.php?id=291&backPID=132&L=0&tx_tnc_news=3674&cHash=37db2c706c

[Justin Kirchhoff]

Fun little clip. I want to see the long shot of the two dragsters coming off the line, flares glaring out of the exhaust pipes.

[Roberto B]

insane clip. Though I crave for at least a 1k of it.1k, 2k, why not 4k too?..

[Proteus]

Electric cars get their energy from where? Thats right... COAL. In the US Coal is used to generate over half of the electricity we use. Its pretty safe bet that those "clean" electric cars are getting their electricity from coal. my $.02 :)

They could get their energy from solar thermical plants, solar pv plants, wind plants and wave plants without a single piece of coal being burned. My $.02


What about solar powered drag racing :)

That would be a very interesting race!

[vanguy]

I found this.

http://www.americansolarchallenge.org/

[liquidigital]

I'm re-thinking how I can shave off a couple of pounds... not me, the camera.

Yes! Light and small are key, especially for productions doing handhelds in tight quarters. Jim, please consider being the first company to make cinema pancake lenses as well. Light body, light glass.

Also, what are your opinions of focusing with the EVF, because I may opt for not using a monitor in many run'n'gun situations? Thanks!

[Frank Weeks]

They pretty much self destruct right at the end of a quarter mile. The record is 333mph.

Jim,
Great stuff. Hope your hearing held up. It is difficult for me to explain how loud these machines can be.
I have shot close to nitro burners many times and usually end up with distortion. The red held up perfectly. Do you think the red Drive would fair as well?

Frank
Red 822

[Jannard]

I would NOT trust RED-Drives on this particular shoot. The energy from these cars rattles your teeth. A drive might have difficulty this close to the action. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to try it.

Jim

[Roberto B]

hey man.. post more stuff ! !

[Anthony Gratl]

Electric cars get their energy from where? Thats right... COAL. In the US Coal is used to generate over half of the electricity we use. Its pretty safe bet that those "clean" electric cars are getting their electricity from coal. my $.02 :)

This isn't necessary though. Solar and wind energy, plus geothermal technology and a host of other technical innovations, renders coal almost unnecessary, unless of course, you're big business with an agenda to conserve the status quo, which means making money through resource exploitation and environmental destruction. Which is why they spend beaucoup money selling you 'clean coal' and nuclear power on television. my two
btw, there's no such thing as clean coal.

[Frank Weeks]

I would NOT trust RED-Drives on this particular shoot

If the Red drives could hold up to that kind of vibration there would be no need for the cf. You can amagine what it did to the old plumbicons.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Plaid!

Actually, you would go plaid. You can reach ludicrous speed.

[Eryc Tramonn]

And Jim, I just so happen to own a personal training studio in the Anaheim Hills area. We can pay you a few house calls if you're looking to get in shape.

And I won't even ask for a barter. :)

[Eryc Tramonn]

We have clients in Newport Coast, and all over so you're not too far to get in shape man. I don't like to hear you having reservations about lugging a nine + pound camera...even if it's fully outfitted, you should be running marathons with it. :)

Thick Arnold accent, "No girlie men at RED."