Red #27, Production Day #1

[Shawn Nelson]

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/DejaVecu_Cap1.jpg
http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/DejaVecu_Cap3.jpg
http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/DejaVecu_Cap2.jpg

One small take from the short: http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/DejaVecu_shot1.mov

EDIT UPDATE:
Since I continue to receive questions about whether the fans on #27 work, let it be well known that this report was many months ago and 100% of the problems reported no longer apply, including the fan issue, which Red fixed less than 48 hours after this shoot wrapped.

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After a week and a half of test shooting, I was ready for the maiden production voyage of Red #27. The shoot was a narrative short film titled 'Deja Vecu'. It was a script I wrote about 6 months ago shortly after the birth of my son. It's part 1 of a thematic trilogy dealing with different dynamics of the father-son relationship. It was a story I felt so good about that I was waiting for Red to shoot it. I originally had the crew lined up for June 16th (scheduled around NAB) and everyone's been on hold since then. Once I received word I was getting it, I put things in motion for this shoot. We filmed the whole BTS with the Sony Z1u for a Red production dvd we are producing.

The shoot was 4 pages long and had 4 locations: a bedroom, kitchen, front lawn and curbside.

Let's summarize from the top (I hate waiting until the end myself): Red looked gorgeous, ran until the end of the day and the crew was ecstatic seeing some clips from a laptop after we had wrapped.

Okay, now let's get into it.

For camera configuration we had a series of make-dos and compromises. I bought a nice Arriflex FF-2 double sided follow focus but because it was 15mm with 100mm offset, I could not get it to work with my configuration, since my matte box is a 15mm with 60mm offset and I still need the 19mm rods from the production pack. Dang it! I'm now planning on taking it to a machine shop and getting it permanently configured for my Red (by having the rod holders of the FF sawed off and then I'll bolt it to the Red Universal Mount). But in the meantime we needed something NOW and so we used the Redrock FF that the DP owned. I'd love the Redrock to be as good, but it just isn't. It had like 1/4" of play in it, the AC wasn't happy, but we had no choice.

What you see in the pics below is my novel way of rigging the basic production pack. Except for the 15mm rods and that adapter, everything on the Red is the basic prod pack. I found I could mount the battery/drive chasis to the top mount and then mount the handle vertically on the side. It's gimpy, but it works. Then I could take the handle plate off and mount the LCD directly on to that. I ordered an EVF but those aren't available yet, so we have a loaner LCD. We're in the process of getting top rails and a side handle and so forth, but haven't gotten there yet.

I strongly disliked having the LCD as the only viewer. Since the HD-SDI and HDMI cannot be active while the LCD is, I had to only use the LCD and forgoe the director's monitor.

On to the issues of the day, the one potentially fatal one for me.

We couldn't get the fans to shut up. At all. The "silent when recording" would only work for the first minute then it would be raging full blast fans for the entire time. We kept watching the heat readout and it was green 'OK' the entire time.

We then used some washrags to muffle the sound in a desperate attempt but it didn't work, the audio sucks. You hear dialogue that sounds like they were standing in a server room. My sound mixer kept telling me that it sounded like a "jet engine" was in the room (we were in a kitchen). I kept repeatedly setting the Fan to 'Silent' and that would only work the first time after a reboot and then it was all full blast hot.

Anyone want to listen to it? Anyone a wizard in post and can either filter it themselves or tell me what FCP or ProTools settings to use?
http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Take74.wav
http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Take91.wav
On the second one there is about 20 seconds of mostly silence and crew mumblings, we were waiting for a clock to change, but you can sure hear the fan.

Okay, now Red has been awesome in the customer support on this. Jim himself has emailed me multiple times, admitting the problem and saying they've already fixed it and that it's in the next build.

One time I had a minor delay rebooting the camera and put some frozen peas on it. I don't think anything is wrong with my Red and don't think it had anything to do with heat.

In conclusion I absolutely love the camera and except for the fans, I'd have an excellent short on my hands. The shots look great, the acting was great, etc. The BTS will definitely be worth checking out when we get that DVD together.

Thanks for looking!

[Shawn Nelson]

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_1.jpg
Setting up the shot, I am on the left.

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_2.jpg
Directing the talent while the high shot is set up

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_3.jpg
Efficiency: makeup last looks, sound check and focus measuring at once

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_4.jpg
Red #27. See above report for why we were using this setup

[Shawn Nelson]

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_5.jpg
Monkey and his stunt double

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_6.jpg
Checking out the shot before the take, without a director's monitor I had to take a good look beforehand.

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_7.jpg
Directing the talent whilst the DP directs the gaffer

[Shawn Nelson]

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_9.jpg
Last shot of the day, first shot of the flick. Red is on the skater dolly.

[Tonaci Tran]

redrock follow focus in da house. I have one too and used it on blair's rig. ultra cool BTS shot. thanks for sharing.

[Roberto B]

http://brainspasm.com/red/DejaVecu/Red27Day1_8.jpg
Frozen peas, an ice pack...well.. this concerns.. :waaa:

[jbeale]

Thanks for posting these! So about that ice pack / frozen peas.... I assume it was a camera heating problem? Were you trying to reduce the fan noise for sound reasons, or was it just plain getting too hot anyway?

[Shawn Nelson]

hey guys, you posted before I had my report up, read it now. I am not concerned about the reboot thing, it took 5 min and it was back. I don't think anything is wrong with my Red at all. I took down the picture so no one gets the wrong idea, I wasn't asked to take it down at all, my call.

[Álex Montoya]

Sure someone around here can exchange with you some ADR time for RED time.

Anyway, are you going to post some footage?

[Desert Rune]

That's a really compact setup you got there (able to use reasonably priced tripod heads) . I like my gear 'compact'. Jim mentioned wanting to shave off a couple pounds, which I think would be peachy but the heating dissipation issues need to be solved first.

[Shawn Nelson]

Sure someone around here can exchange with you some ADR time for RED time.

Anyway, are you going to post some footage?

Notice one of the stars is a 4 year old. He had a difficult time getting the lines the first time, I question the result of an ADR session even in the world's best sound suite.

We will be producing a DVD, I may post a teaser clip :-)

[Álex Montoya]

That's cool.

[IAN SUN]

Great stuff Shawn, looking forward to that clip, if your previous posts are anything to go by it will be sweeet.

Jim has indicated the fan speed issue was fixed with the latest firmware build. Do you have the latest build now?

[WILLIAM SPENCE]

Shawn, I recently did a shoot at a comedy club of a comedian doing her act. The only problem was that there was an annoying drone from the air conditioner in the showroom. I solved the problem using Adobe Audition. If you have a 5-10 second clip of only the noise of your fan during your shoot where nobody is talking, you can use a noise reduction filter that samples the noise using a fourier transform, and then subtracts it from your audio. You have a lot of control over what you do and don't subtract, and how much and the frequencies, so that you don't mess up what you actually want to keep. The COOL thing is, you can download a trial from Adobe.com and use the full capabilities for like 30 days for FREE!!! If you have the time, check it out, it worked like a dream for me. I listened to your audio samples and I think it should be a peice of cake. Don't throw out your shoot if you have the time and somebody good with audio who could help you. Good Luck!

[casey warren]

Shawn, I recently did a shoot at a comedy club of a comedian doing her act. The only problem was that there was an annoying drone from the air conditioner in the showroom. I solved the problem using Adobe Audition. If you have a 5-10 second clip of only the noise of your fan during your shoot where nobody is talking, you can use a noise reduction filter that samples the noise using a fourier transform, and then subtracts it from your audio. You have a lot of control over what you do and don't subtract, and how much and the frequencies, so that you don't mess up what you actually want to keep. The COOL thing is, you can download a trial from Adobe.com and use the full capabilities for like 30 days for FREE!!! If you have the time, check it out, it worked like a dream for me. I listened to your audio samples and I think it should be a peice of cake. Don't throw out your shoot if you have the time and somebody good with audio who could help you. Good Luck!

I think I may have seen that function in Soundtrack Pro as well in the new FCS2 package.

[casey warren]

Shawn,

Overall the shoot looked like it was a lot of fun. Cant wait for the DVD.

About how much storage did you need for all the footage that you shot that day?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Great Shawn.

Congratulations.

Your project is a real indie production, real indie filmmaking.

I do have also RR FF, 15 mm rods, Manfrotto tripod, head, etc...almost similar accessories.

Looking forward to read more reports about your RED shooting and the production pictures. And of course some footage.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/studio-15-07.jpg
My gear waiting for RED.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Well done!!
You can do the whole film adr with soundtrack pro in FCP Studio2. It's difficult but to be fair to Apple, Soundtrack Pro makes it as easy as it can be. You might even find that the process of replacing all the audio pushes you into a place where you make some interesting creative decisions..:gun:
It's also inspiring to see your rig. It's lightweight, compact, just what I'm looking for in doco situations. I've been wondering about using a Miller tripod. I've got their lightweight DV legs and they are so portable!

good luck with the post production :nerd:

[Nick Shaw]

The noise removal tool in Soundtrack Pro is pretty good. You just find the longest section of 'clean' noise you can, then choose 'process/noise reduction/set noise print'. Then choose 'reduce noise'. Tweak the parameters for best result. Be careful not to go to far, as it can introduce a bit of 'warble'. I tried it with one of the .wav files posted, and was able to improve it dramatically.

[Phil Becque]

Hi Shawn,

You could also use a noise gate set up like this:

http://philbecque.googlepages.com/noise_gate

I tried your sound clip with these settings and it gets rid of all the fan noise. The settings may be a little harsh but you can experiment with that to get the effect you want.

The application I used is called WaveLab though most editing systems give you some control over the dynamics.

The other trick is to add some background noise e.g. Radio or TV or music or traffic noise - deep in the back ground. The fan noise you have is roughly 40dB below the recorded voice level so even a faint background sound will cover it up. I've done this several times on my own docs and it works really well.

I hope that's useful.

All the best, Phil

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

Great Shawn.

Congratulations.

Your project is a real indie production, real indie filmmaking.

I do have also RR FF, 15 mm rods, Manfrotto tripod, head, etc...almost similar accessories.

Looking forward to read more reports about your RED shooting and the production pictures. And of course some footage.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/studio-15-07.jpg
My gear waiting for RED.

I gotta say that photo illustrates why I hate those 35 mm adaptors what a mess.

[jimhare]

Hey Shawn,
I downloaded your audio and took it into Soundtrack Pro. After about 3 minutes of messing with noise reduction settings, I had it sounding pretty good, there is some warbling in the background, but all of the actors sound quite clean. With a bit of dodging and some atmos replacement, I would expect you to get a usable result pretty quickly.
You can download it at:

http://download.xdrive.com/s/7147757490sIPyHexkRhZdVaMmfX&partner=plus

Again, I only spent 3 minutes so this is just a starting point. I'm not suggesting that it will be perfect, just that there is hope.

Hope this helps!
Jim Hare
Sydney Australia

[Craig Harding]

I did the same thing with the Noise Reduction plugin in Sound Forge - that fan noise cleans up reasonably well. PM me an email address and I'll email you the results if you like. I think you'll be able to fix this.

[Jannard]

This problem was NOT a heat issue... see bug report.

Jim

[Elijah Kelley]

Shawn,
No need to worry. Soundtrack Pro 2 has two effect plug-ins that are sure to put you at rest. I had this problem recording my last feature with the hvx200. Not from the camera itself but from the Firestore drive. The fan would come on in the middle of the scene and not stop.

The plug-ins are:
Multipressor which compresses/limits four individual channels.
Compressor is a basic compressor but will bring your desired frequency back up.

Additionally inside of FCP2 I used the hum remover audio effect before sending the clips over to Soundtrack Pro 2.

Suggestions:
Start with a hum remover in FCP2 then send it to soundtrack pro 2 and drop the multipress on to it. Crush the lowest frequencies but tweak to see where you can eliminate the fan sound that may be still present.

Hope this helps. Thanks for all the great footage.

[Nick Shaw]

Not sure if the hum remover would be suitable. Hum removers tend to be notch filters (one specific frequency) possibly plus harmonics. The noise from the fans is fairly broad spectrum.

I personally would use Soundtrack Pro's noise reducer, then add a noise gate to isolate the dialogue (removing potentially warbly background noise) then lay in some clean buzz track across the entire scene.

[Elijah Kelley]

Not sure how clean buzz would go over from the kitchen but definately during the outside shots some cars passing or similar ambiance.

Though I agree the fan sound is pretty broad spectrum (white noise) isolating the loudest frequency of the fan which is in the lower frequency range tends to get rid of the noise where our ears most noticeably pick it up. Hence, the notch filter/hum remover. But from all the replies here you're well on your way Shawn.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thank you everyone for the noise tip reductions, I'll be looking into all of that.

To clarify, the frozen peas and ice pack was unrelated to the fan. The fan was an ongoing thing all day (you can even hear it on the outdoors scenes) but the frozen peas was a ONE time incident wherein the unit wouldn't boot until we'd waited about 10 min in total. Not sure why yet, maybe the next firmware will fix it. The unit ran fine for the rest of the day.

[Dan Blanchett]

Great stuff Shawn-- and very interesting. And it's good to see how generous other RED users can be with their time in helping you out. That's the spirit! I look forward to seeing more BTS and (hopefully) footage.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Take a listen to this.
It will take more than just putting filters on a track.
The kid sounds good on the file you provided.
The guy sounds off mike.
You could easily loop him.
Even with noise from the camera you could
have taken the guy into another room and
done some looping pick ups - have him say
"what" about 20 times....
And sound blankets.....
rig up blankets around the camera to shield
the sound a bit. Anyway - take a listen:

http://www.mediafire.com/?31mom9dgmmy

[Shawn Nelson]

He was off mic, intentionally, it was the kids' closeup. I'll sync up all the files, do my edit, and then worry about cleaning.

[Michael Schrengohst]

OK, then you should have no problem cleaning that audio.
It is just a pain to do.

[liquidigital]

Shawn, thanks for taking the time to post, especially the pictures of your rig. All the best!

[donatello b]

"After 5 minutes with frozen peas from the freezer on top .... it booted right up."

so you give the crew 30 min to eat and the camera 5 min to eat a meal ?

[Larry McKee]

Gotta love how much the RED accessories allow the camera to be reconfigurable pretty much anyway you want.

[Gabriel C.]

One suggestion for all: Get "wild" sound.

Once you've got your images, get your actors to do the scene a few more times with the sound device recording ... this has proven to be remarkably valuable ... and in this instance, could have saved the day.

[Simon Smith]

This problem was NOT a heat issue... see bug report.

Jim

Where's this bug report?

[Gabriel Beaudry]

Where's this bug report?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4686&page=5

Post #47

[Drew Mylrea]

Shawn,

You are quickly proving to be the most awesome resource / experience reporter on RedUser (besides Jim and team of course). Thanks for taking the time to post your open and honest opinions, look forward to the short!

drew

[Brandon Rice]

Cool stuff dude! I see Norm's in this, awesome!

[Gavin Greenwalt]

He was off mic, intentionally, it was the kids' closeup.

I was going to say that I would be more worried about the echo/reverb than the the noise... but that answers that question. :)

[Ryan E. Walters]

Glad you liked the images, sorry to hear about the troubles with the audio. Hopefully it all gets worked out and you are able to salvage the audio in post.

[Mark B.]

What kind of mics were you using?

[Steve Freebairn]

Adobe Audition works great for noises in the background like you have. Soundbooth might be able to take care of it, but Audition can for sure. You just select the noise and then highlight the clip and remove it.

[Robert P. Hogue]

In order to get rid of the noise, you might want to try using the Waves Restoration Bundle, or Sonic No-Noise. Both are equally good. Waves is available as a plug-in that will work with Core Audio, while Sonic no-noise will only work with TDM (PRO TOOLS HD). Use the X-noise in waves, and set the threshold to about 25, and reduction to 60. Simply find a region where there is only fan noise, click learn, and then select the audio region of concern, and then process the audio. The noise reduction tools under Soundtrack Pro are not quite as good.

[Spike Baumann]

I went to check out Emery's camera today going through some chart tests and the fans were on the whole time also. Lucky no sound was needed. Sorry to hear about that.

[jbeale]

For those that missed the bug report,
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=89457&postcount=47
states that the fan problem was caused by a firmware bug from the 9/23/07 build and was fixed two days later (today) in the 9/25/07 firmware. So Shawn's shoot was in a way a victim of "bad timing".

Based on this experience, it seems one should not upgrade firmware before any important work if there is no time for a thorough test first. (Can you "downgrade" to previous firmware version if there's a regression bug?)

Re: startup problems. On one of the embedded systems I worked on some years ago, there were five different power supply rails and there was a race condition at powerup between several of the supplies. This set off a chain of events but the result was that the processor did not always boot up correctly, especially with a quick power-off, power-on cycle. It would generally work ok if you turned it off long enough for a specific filter capacitor to discharge enough so that the supply startup order was not affected by a partial capacitor charge remaining from the last cycle.

Anyway, after a lot of troubleshooting we enforced a specific turn-on order for each of the internal supply rails, and that fixed the problem. This is just a reminiscence, of course I don't know if it has anything to do with the current situation, but maybe there's a parallel.

[Shawn Nelson]

Shawn,

You are quickly proving to be the most awesome resource / experience reporter on RedUser (besides Jim and team of course). Thanks for taking the time to post your open and honest opinions, look forward to the short!

drew

Thanks Drew, I sure appreciate that. I try!

[Shawn Nelson]

What kind of mics were you using?

Sennheiser MKH60 outdoors and AKG se300b/CK93 indoors.

[Ryan Sims]

If you seem to have a new problem with a new firmware load, could you not just reload a previous revision to see if that might correct the problem? I assume this is possible.

[SalaTar]

funny a (pea) ice pack yes red is to hot

[dvpixl]

Norm's been shot with RED. nice!

[snodart]

Thanks for posting all of this Shawn. Good stuff.


...Since the HD-SDI and HDMI cannot be active while the LCD is, I had to only use the LCD and forgoe the director's monitor.

I had no idea about this. Is that a forever sort of thing?


Norm's been shot with RED. nice!

I was wondering if that was Norm in those pics.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks for posting all of this Shawn. Good stuff.

I had no idea about this. Is that a forever sort of thing?

I was wondering if that was Norm in those pics.

No, it's a temporary sort of thing, they are supposed to have video out enabled at the same time as LCD very soon. Only Jim knows when for sure.

Yes, that's Norm Sanders :-). Know him from DVXUser?

[Corey Culp]

Shawn - How much weight do you have on your 526? I thought they were only rated for 16lbs, but it looks like you've got a bit more than that.

[Gunleik Groven]

It would be possible to use the SDI-ot and link it to a second monitor, though?

Cheers for the valuable report!

Gunleik

[Shawn Nelson]

Shawn - How much weight do you have on your 526? I thought they were only rated for 16lbs, but it looks like you've got a bit more than that.

The 526 is Bogen's top of the line head, it's rated to 35lbs.

That configuration is 27.5 lbs.

[Shawn Nelson]

It would be possible to use the SDI-ot and link it to a second monitor, though?

Cheers for the valuable report!

Gunleik

Sure, if I had HDSDI monitors and an HDSDI splitter.

[snodart]

No, it's a temporary sort of thing, they are supposed to have video out enabled at the same time as LCD very soon. Only Jim knows when for sure.

Yes, that's Norm Sanders :-). Know him from DVXUser?

I was hoping that it was just temporary. Thanks for the info.

Yea, I just know Norm from DVXuser.

How do you like the 562 head?

[grandpa it burns]

Way to go Shawn...You are really showing your stuff.

[tomcassetta]

Hey Shawn,

Congratulations on your new camera! Followed your posts quite a bit for a while now...check out some of the articles at filmsound.org for noise reduction. Having quite a bit of experience in live music and on-location dialogue recording, I can tell you honestly you'll get the best results from tastefully using all of the tools available for reducing noise: gates, multiband compression (or "Live EQ"), and noise reduction algorithms. Using any of the preceding tools exclusively could result in nasty results (pumping, warbling, etc). It might be worth your while to get a pro to filter the tracks for the child-actor and ADR the rest.

I'm pretty impressed with the hints everybody else have provided, but be careful that you don't "clean it up" so much that your tracks sound dead. A tasteful use of buzz track, atmos, and reverb will definitely help after tweaking the filters.

Cheers, bud.

- Tom

[Corey Culp]

The 526 is Bogen's top of the line head, it's rated to 35lbs.

That configuration is 27.5 lbs.

Well, there you go. :) Thanks for the correction.

I came across some info on the 526 and the article I read stated it's weight limit as 16lbs, not the 16kg it actually is. My fault for not checking Bogen's site myself. :)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Take a look around here, I did a pretty big review (or a serious bashing) of the 526 head and the 528 sticks that are also available with it in a kit. Yes, it's rated to 35lbs.. quality is in line with its price when considering other fluid heads on the market. An O'Connor 1030HD is 5X as good, but is also 5X the price. Personally I disliked the Bogen 526 enough that I sent it back even though the head and sticks combo was pretty dang cheap.

I'd advise anyone considering this head to test drive it before they buy, or order from a vendor that will allow returns and no restocking fees. Amazon is recommended, I bought mine there and they happily gave me a full refund because I wasn't happy with it.

[Corey Culp]

Take a look around here, I did a pretty big review (or a serious bashing) of the 526 head and the 528 sticks that are also available with it in a kit. Yes, it's rated to 35lbs.. quality is in line with its price when considering other fluid heads on the market. An O'Connor 1030HD is 5X as good, but is also 5X the price. Personally I disliked the Bogen 526 enough that I sent it back even though the head and sticks combo was pretty dang cheap.

I'd advise anyone considering this head to test drive it before they buy, or order from a vendor that will allow returns and no restocking fees. Amazon is recommended, I bought mine there and they happily gave me a full refund because I wasn't happy with it.

Thanks, Jeff.

[David Battistella]

Thank you everyone for the noise tip reductions, I'll be looking into all of that.

To clarify, the frozen peas and ice pack was unrelated to the fan. The fan was an ongoing thing all day (you can even hear it on the outdoors scenes) but the frozen peas was a ONE time incident wherein the unit wouldn't boot until we'd waited about 10 min in total. Not sure why yet, maybe the next firmware will fix it. The unit ran fine for the rest of the day.

Shawn,

I just checked this out.

You might avoid the Noise reducer in Soundtrack as it does create the "warbling refered to recently. INstead try to EQ out the unwanted noise. The noise is all sitting between 200 and 100HZ and it can be rolled off pretty easily without the warbling.

David

[Brandon Rice]

Looking forward to seeing some clips soon hopefully :)

[Brandon Rice]

more stuff, more stuff! :) can you tell I am excited?!

[Joel Kaye]

Thanks for the low down and dirty Shawn. That fan noise is scary. Now I'm wondering how noisy the Red Drive will be.

Quick tip for your DP on his RR Micro. For $75 they can upgrade it to get rid of the 1/4" play. Also, test Bias SoundSoap for noise reduction. My experience is it's much more intelligent than other solutions and preserves more good signal.

[Shawn Nelson]

Thanks everyone, my dad has SoundSoap (he uses it for cleaning up event audio) so I'll give that a try.

Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can post some clips or screen caps.

My DP told me that something had come loose and he's now fixed the RR down to 1/16" of play.

[Joel Kaye]

Thanks everyone, my dad has SoundSoap (he uses it for cleaning up event audio) so I'll give that a try.

Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can post some clips or screen caps.

My DP told me that something had come loose and he's now fixed the RR down to 1/16" of play.

Well dang - guess you don't need me around. ;-) I'm looking forward to your DVD.

[Shawn Nelson]

Lol, Joel, I appreciate your comments man.

Are you getting excited about your Red? Not too long now. Next round will be 50-100, then the round after that will be 100-200.

[Brandon Rice]

Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can post some clips or screen caps.


Looking forward to seeing stuff!

[Shawn Nelson]

The front page is now updated with three screen captures and a 1k export from the short!

[Rick Darge]

Shawn you are the granddaddy posting master! Thanks so much for sharing man! Looks great!

[Larry McKee]

Looks really nice. Thanks for posting.

[casey warren]

Nice screen grabs and footage. I like the ultra slow push in the opening bedroom footage. Dolly?

[liquidigital]

Sean, once you get this wrapped up and you have a chance to breathe, I'd love to know your workflow from pre to post. I know it's a lot to ask and I certainly understand if you get too busy, but I think it would be invaluable. Did you decide what you were going to grade with? I know you were inquiring about Scratch before. Also I was curious if you're planning for a film out with this short for some of the festivals? Lots of questions, sorry... I had three cups of coffee this morning. :)

[Brandon Rice]

The stuff looks good Shawn ! :)

[Rodrigo Lizana]

Hello Shawn : I´m almost done offlining a short I directed. It was a 35mm production and I had a lot of issues with the audio too. Camera noise (it was a Moviecam SL) was a small problem in the start of a close up inside a bathroom. Just that one shot. What is really killing me is that I need to replace some of the dialogues and I don´t have any wilds neither atmosphere backup.
While I can edit the footage myself, I´ve gotta to admit I´m an ignorant when it comes to audio...
Just to share, this short was a real nightmare...+20 scenes, 2 extremely long days and of course, a very tight budget. Gotta say if I have to shot a feature under this conditions, I´d probably end up shooting myself.
Here´s when I start thinking about the Red camera. My only concern, at least for my own work, is that I know I´m gonna be watching it more than 100 times in a year so I want, like PJ said, the upmost quality.
As soon as I finish editing this short (which I want to online in 720p), I´m gonna start producing another one for which I hope to have my Red ready.
BTW, thanks for the 72fps footage. It was a great example. Me, I´m a happy men at 4K@48 fps.

Regards

Rodrigo

[Ryan E. Walters]

Quick tip for your DP on his RR Micro. For $75 they can upgrade it to get rid of the 1/4" play.

I'll have to look into that- thanks for the tip.

There is actually on 1/16" of play in the one that I have- my AC was trying to adjust the unit and put the cog / wheel on backwards, and it did not allow it to be tightened all the way down. Once we figured that out, it was corrected, but there was still the 1/16" of play in the adapter. (Not bad for a $650 FF, but it does not compare to the Arri FF- I love that FF!)

[Ryan E. Walters]

Nice screen grabs and footage. I like the ultra slow push in the opening bedroom footage. Dolly?

The dolly that we were using was a skater dolly that I had built for me. It is a really small table to dolly that is very similar to the P&S Technic skater dolly. I really like it for situations like these, where we did not have much space (about 2') but needed the movement.

[David Battistella]

Shawn,

What tripod head were you guys using on that shoot? It looks like a Manfrotto 526.

David

[Shawn Nelson]

Shawn,

What tripod head were you guys using on that shoot? It looks like a Manfrotto 526.

David

It is. It's built for up to 35lbs and we were doing a 27.5lb setup.

[Roberto B]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=95140&postcount=28

good stuff, man.. thx for the care..

the boy has carisma..

[Shawn Nelson]

It's my brother :-). I am 20 years older than he is, same parents.

[Roberto B]

concerning the shot.. it's just the best Red shot ever posted so far..

[Emanuel A.]

Clever connection between in and off.

[Shawn Nelson]

concerning the shot.. it's just the best Red shot ever posted so far..

Wow, thanks. Which one are you talking about? The one with the boy in front of the cereal?

[Roberto B]

symbolic imagetic..

[Emanuel A.]

Proper notion where the POV is.

[Roberto B]

proper acting..

[Emanuel A.]

Promising.

[Roberto B]

you're still better director than poster when you have no sleep.. :)

[Roberto B]

Wow, thanks. Which one are you talking about? The one with the boy in front of the cereal?the only one that i could follow.. the wake-up.

[Shawn Nelson]

the only one that i could follow.. the wake-up.

Naw man, I'm a night owl.

Okay, so the video clip I posted of the man waking up? You mentioned the boy and I thought you meant the screen cap. Hey, I don't need to be tired to misunderstand any one of you, except there is one of your gang that's very good at English. :-)

[Emanuel A.]

you're still better director than poster when you have no sleep.. :):wink: Shawn is actually going good. :-)

[Roberto B]

The one with the boy in front of the cereal?where's it?.. in motion or just grab?..

[Brandon Rice]

Any chance we can see the finished film Shawn?

[Shawn Nelson]

Yes. But I have not yet decided how. This film is already cut together, but only in rough cut form.

[virtual-one]

when is the film finished

[Brandon Rice]

Yes. But I have not yet decided how. This film is already cut together, but only in rough cut form.

Gotcha, cool.

[vinodkumar]

hey which mattebox used for it

[Larry McKee]

hey which mattebox used for it

Looks like a Cavision. But, Shawn will have to tell you for sure.

[Shawn Nelson]

It was Cavision, loaned from the DP. I've since gotten a used Chrosziel to tide me over until I get the new CVB/Red one.

[Norm Sanders]

How goes the final post production on this, Shawn?

[dvpixl]

Hello Norm!