2k 72fps test

[Jarred Land]

with 16mm fisheye.

[Jarred Land]

wait for it to load :)

qtx1http://www.reduser.net/fff.movqtx2

[Shawn Nelson]

Ah yeah!!!!!!

[dvpixl]

man, these posts are coming fast!

and ... awesome!

[Jannard]

RED is just startin' to roll...

Jim

[Finner]

Can we get a moving car or something? Jared in slow mo is just a little creepy!

[Shawn Nelson]

Please please let me have this build tomorrow so I can play with it this weekend!

[Elijah Kelley]

It's Alive!!! Alive!!!!

That is so great. I'm waiting patiently. And thanks to Jim, Jarred, Red Team and early adopters like you Shawn I'm learning so much on Reduser that I'll be primed and prepped to sail through the learning curve. This is truly revolutionary. The slow mo is so fluid.

[John Godden]

That's one heck of a way to be treating your worker knomes.

Congrats on the cool products

[JD Holloway]

LOL,

Nice J. Flying Dub-Ya!
I'm still praying for 4 to 1 slow down though.
Super smooth however.
What light panels are those?

JD.

[Yash Keough]

Haha that's wicked!

[Elijah Kelley]

What light panels are those?

JD.[/QUOTE]

They're lite panels? The design looks a little different. Are they lite or some kind of modified small kino?

[Jarred Land]

those arnt light panels, they are just normal fluros.

[Jarred Land]

Can we get a moving car or something? Jared in slow mo is just a little creepy!

careful i know where you live :)

tomorrow we will shoot some good stuff dont you worry.

[kd5ftn]

Is this for real? Red goes to 72fps? Wholly Fuck.

I just peed a little. You guys must stop. Every day is christmas.

[Dan Blanchett]

Whoah... :ohmy:

[Finner]

I know it is one step at a time but is there any idea of a rough 4k 48 fps timeline? 4k 48fps would be really perfect for a lot of my over cranking.

[Billy Summers]

I know it is one step at a time but is there any idea of a rough 4k 48 fps timeline? 4k 48fps would be really perfect for a lot of my over cranking.

True that! Finner man...

[Sanjin Jukic]

Amazing!!!

[Brook Willard]

I'm so excited about the high frame rate... but so creeped out by the video... :wink: :)

Can't wait to see what you guys shoot next... and can't wait for the new firmware to get out so I can do it too!

[Sam Druckerman]

Fun....

Look at all the cool features that will be enabled for the next camera release.... (mine ;-)

[IAN SUN]

Just in time for Halloween!

Wicked indeed!

[Thom Steinhoff]

Just in time for Halloween!

Wicked indeed!

Hey, that's right, Jarred, how about you, a chainsaw, and a jack-o-lantern--this time at 72 fps?!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Just in time for Halloween!

Wicked indeed!

Yesireee.... I've got pumpkins and I've got explosives, who wants to supply their RED?

[dino g]

just got home from a long day...and just saw this...

YES, PLEASE.

or as Oliver would say,

PLEASE SIR, CAN I HAVE SOME MORE.

LLR (LONG LIVE RED)

[damonbots]

I'd like to suggest that we have a poll for what to do with George W. JR. in
in 2K/72

[Carl-August Savgård]

I just love the way George W is tossed around. =)

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'd like to suggest that we have a poll for what to do with George W. JR. in
in 2K/72

A> Burn him.

B> Let a donkey chew him up.

C> Hit him with a great big hammer.

D> Microwave him.


Disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate any political direction with these suggestions. I just have a fascination with destroying things, especially creepy little dolls and action figures. And I would like to see 'W' die for the cause by perishing in a most dramatic way in front of a RED One camera. If it were a Hillary doll, I would have the same suggestions, possibly a few more, and option B would involve a stomping elephant.

[Rick Darge]

HAHAha

[Jannard]

A> Burn him.

B> Let a donkey chew him up.

C> Hit him with a great big hammer.

D> Microwave him.


Disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate any political direction with these suggestions. I just have a fascination with destroying things, especially creepy little dolls and action figures. And I would like to see 'W' die for the cause by perishing in a most dramatic way in front of a RED One camera. If it were a Hillary doll, I would have the same suggestions, possibly a few more, and option B would involve a stomping elephant.

Jeff... time for your medication.

Jim

[Chris Forbes]

Careful with that action figure. That is a piece of the history, destined to be worth more than a certain gold bikini. :nerd:

[Tonaci Tran]

soo insane. thanks Jarred.

[Roberto B]

even you?.. and later i am who is accused to start political issues burning on the REDuser pages.. :)

btw, what's the 16mm fisheye lens used in this test?..


I'd like to suggest that we have a poll for what to do with George W. JR. in
in 2K/72


I just love the way George W is tossed around. =)




A> Burn him.

B> Let a donkey chew him up.

C> Hit him with a great big hammer.

D> Microwave him.


Disclaimer: I am in no way trying to insinuate any political direction with these suggestions. I just have a fascination with destroying things, especially creepy little dolls and action figures. And I would like to see 'W' die for the cause by perishing in a most dramatic way in front of a RED One camera. If it were a Hillary doll, I would have the same suggestions, possibly a few more, and option B would involve a stomping elephant.


Jeff... time for your medication.

Jim

[Geoff Reisner]

Worthy test shot for tomorrow...

Red 300 / 72 fps / nice fast car racing towards camera, pull e brake and slide to a stop amidst a shower of dirt and dust :)

and if there's time, maybe dive out of the car, roll and pull out two handguns, firing aimlessly into the void...

[Simon Blackledge]

..is that a dare ? ;)


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[David Cubbage]

Now that's magic!!!

[Rob Lohman]

Where's the reduser shirt Jarred?

[Mardi_Gras]

Nice!

I keep changing my plans as to where to begin my Red-expedition. Should I begin by shooting a feature, a 30 sec PSA spot in 2k/72fps, a 5 min short for Cannes or my son's 6th birthday (due around when I hopefully get mine).

Time will tell...

[Hrvoje Simic]

Maaan...I knew that pilot looked familiar.

[yevlar]

Really, the best test of the real look of 72fps would be a person or animal running at full speed.

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Really, the best test of the real look of 72fps would be a person or animal running at full speed.

Get round there man, steal the latest RED off the line and the team can film you 72fps as the cops chase you down the road..

Or maybe we could make it a bit more of a Benny Hill endcredits moment..

[Mark L. Pederson]

Really, the best test of the real look of 72fps would be a person or animal running at full speed.

come on ... Jarred hasn't slept in weeks ... not sure of he can even walk quickly right now ...

[M.Halsell]

Two thumbs up to team RED, AGAIN. Those guys are just making it happen!!! They are doing all the heavy lifting. The only thing I have to do is buy just buy the camera. Ah! life is good.

[Geoff Reisner]

Two thumbs up to team RED, AGAIN. Those guys are just making it happen!!! They are doing all the heavy lifting. The only thing I have to do is buy just buy the camera. Ah! life is good.

I think I'd enjoy being a part of the machine, the 'heavy lifting', more than actually shooting with the camera. I'd love to shoot some nice 4k images :) but I'm sure it's far more personally satisfying to create the machine that can result in the images being shot in the first place.

[jaadgy akanni]

Oh yeah, no more settling for 60fps overcrank! You go RED team!

[yevlar]

come on ... Jarred hasn't slept in weeks ... not sure of he can even walk quickly right now ...

It was just a suggestion of what might be nice to try next. I wasn't saying "Jarred you must do this now and post it immediately." People were offering suggestions of what might be nice to see at 72fps. This was just my suggestion.

[Nick Shaw]

Oh yeah, no more settling for 60fps overcrank! You go RED team!

But this is 2k windowed. We were never expecting to have to 'settle' for 60fps when shooting windowed.

2k 72fps is a step on the way to the hoped for 2k 100fps on-board REDCODE, and it's a huge step to see actually achieved. As far as I know nobody outside RED has seen any footage over 24fps (maybe 25fps for any of the 1st 50 in Europe/Australia/NZ).

[RivaiC]

Nice !!!

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Jeff... time for your medication.


Taken... I'm better now.

[Jarred Land]

I dont think i mentioned it, and it might not be important to most of you, but this was recorded to the normal compact flash module.

[Teague Kennedy]

Jarred, what lens is this? what mount b4? s16?
thanks!

[yevlar]

Is significantly more storage space required for the footage at 72fps? I know logically you'd think three times as many frames would require three times the storage, but I'm not sure how that works in the world of RED.

[Jarred Land]

if you shoot 72fps, although your recording all the data, if your on a 23.98 timeline it will play back when you open the quicktime generated file it will play back automatically at 23.98, with the slow motion effect, so you dont need to process the over/undercranking (think HVX instead of Varicam)

Another thing to note... this test clip never entered Redcine or Red Alert even once.. it was made directly from the 1/4 res quicktime, that the camera generated on the card at the time of recording.

[Darwin]

When we get 2k scaled ..will we be limited to 60 fps because of the whole sensor clock speed? Am I understanding this right?

[Damien Molineaux]

if you shoot 72fps, although your recording all the data, if your on a 23.98 timeline it will play back when you open the quicktime generated file it will play back automatically at 23.98, with the slow motion effect, so you dont need to process the over/undercranking (think HVX instead of Varicam)

Another thing to note... this test clip never entered Redcine or Red Alert even once.. it was made directly from the 1/4 res quicktime, that the camera generated on the card at the time of recording.

FABULOUS !

Congrats,
this thread made my red day.

Cheers,
Damien

[Eli Jarra]

with 16mm fisheye.

Friggn' Sweet!
You're a wicked Mo-Fo... :devil:

[Jason Francois]

tears of joy. :)

[Seung Han]

Are frame rates switchable in a camera, ie RED?

So I can go 24 to 72 back to 24 in one shot or is this something that is never done on a camera but in post?

I'm asking because it sounds so easy now that FCS will know to play it at 24fps...

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Is this kind of thing ever going to happen in 4K? :waaa:

[Stuart English]

Yes, but at a lower set of frame rates.

Can you change frame rate within a single shot? Not today :-)

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Yes, but at a lower set of frame rates.

Can you change frame rate within a single shot? Not today :-)


But it would be cool as hell.

"The Red One Camera - Cool as Hell" :biggrin:

[Seung Han]

future gets brighter every post...


Not today :-)

[liquidigital]

Oh me. Awesome. Can't wait to see some ramping.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

AYYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!! more exciting news everyday, you guys are making me crazy. too much excitement for me to enjoy.

[Finner]

careful i know where you live :)
tomorrow we will shoot some good stuff dont you worry.


Thats fine I know where your girlfriend lives and I may just pay her a visit in my black speedo, black leather jacket, and black trans am tonight.

Actually your sister lives a little closer so I may just visit her first.

I look forward to todays over cranked footage.

[Jarred Land]

The hoff can borrow my sister anytime...

[Brook Willard]

Quote of the day.

[jaadgy akanni]

Yes, but at a lower set of frame rates.

Can you change frame rate within a single shot? Not today :-)

I've been trying to throw the following stupid, stupid question out there and see if it hits anyone in the head:

Could it be possible to develop a software whereby you take RAW footage and filter it out to a higher fps, let say you start out with 60fps and filter it to be "recaptured"(I hate that word) it to 120fps?

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

I've been trying to throw the following stupid, stupid question out there and see if it hits anyone in the head:

Could it be possible to develop a software whereby you take RAW footage and filter it out to a higher fps, let say you start out with 60fps and filter it to be "recaptured"(I hate that word) it to 120fps?

I think it would damage quality.

[liquidigital]

I think it would damage quality.

Not if you're duplicating current frames, not recapturing. Interesting idea.

[jaadgy akanni]

Not if you're duplicating current frames, not recapturing. Interesting idea.

Liquid, Thanks for at least saying it's interesting. Makes me feel I'm not that crazy. I'd like to hear what Stuart and Graeme think about this idea. Imagine being able to shoot Raw 4k, and from that, being able to generate whatever overcrank you fancy in post, via software.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

I like how bush is being handled almost like a thuggish weapon. Using bush as a threat. "Don't make me hit you with this."

Speaking of DVXUser shirts. I never did get that shirt from the Greenscreen tests last year. :umm:

[jaadgy akanni]

Not if you're duplicating current frames, not recapturing. Interesting idea.

And that's why I said I hate the word "capture" I think the way you put it-duplicating current frames would be a more accurate word. Thanks again. The way I'm imagining it now it would have to be a filter that further subdivides every current frame by a multiple of 2, or something like that.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I've been trying to throw the following stupid, stupid question out there and see if it hits anyone in the head:

Could it be possible to develop a software whereby you take RAW footage and filter it out to a higher fps, let say you start out with 60fps and filter it to be "recaptured"(I hate that word) it to 120fps?

RAW data or not, you still just have pixel info for what was captured in that one moment in time for a specific frame. Optical re-timing already exists and is getting better for the altering of playback speed (up or down). But in the end, you only have so much information to work with... Good re-timing software and a lot of user interaction can produce decent results by interpolating (not blending) frame data. But a lot depends on the subject matter and the speed of motion to begin with.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

That's a good point Jeff. If you don't care about 2k output for your overcranked footage the softening from an Oflow retimer might not be very offensive or even comparable to shooting natively 2k with the added bonus of using your existing lenses/DOF etc.

[jaadgy akanni]

That's a good point Jeff. If you don't care about 2k output for your overcranked footage the softening from an Oflow retimer might not be very offensive or even comparable to shooting natively 2k with the added bonus of using your existing lenses/DOF etc.

That sounds very interesting. If only one of the RED owners tried that. Considering how clean RED footage is, I'd bet the "retimed" output would be quite good.

[Blayne Gorum]

Worthy test shot for tomorrow...

Red 300 / 72 fps / nice fast car racing towards camera, pull e brake and slide to a stop amidst a shower of dirt and dust :)

and if there's time, maybe dive out of the car, roll and pull out two handguns, firing aimlessly into the void...

If ramping is possible that would be nice also. Both a ramp up and a ramp down.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Here's a very quick and dirty retiming test with "Shawn's up in smoke" example. It's exaggerated to 120fps and the motion on Shawn looks OK, but the smoke stutters a bit due to lack of good pixel info to track. But this is just a blind re-time and render out. Lots could be cleaned up in post, direction could be given to the smokey pixels and it could be tweaked by hand to achieve a very clean effect.

Sorry the clip cuts short and has extra black at the end. I didn't shorten the timeline to match my clip and didn't feel like re-rendering it.

slowsmokey.mov ~ 9.3MB H.264 QT 1024x512 (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowsmokey.mov)

[jaadgy akanni]

Here's a very quick and dirty retiming test with "Shawn's up in smoke" example. It's exaggerated to 120fps and the motion on Shawn looks OK, but the smoke stutters a bit due to lack of good pixel info to track. But this is just a blind re-time and render out. Lots could be cleaned up in post, direction could be given to the smokey pixels and it could be tweaked by hand to achieve a very clean effect.
Sorry the clip cuts short and has extra black at the end. I didn't shorten the timeline to match my clip and didn't feel like re-rendering it.
slowsmokey.mov ~ 9.3MB H.264 QT 1024x512 (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowsmokey.mov)
I click and nothing's happening...???

Edit: Ok, I got it.
Oh yeah, me likes!!! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Thanks Jeff

[jbeale]

Here's a very quick and dirty retiming test with "Shawn's up in smoke" example.
slowsmokey.mov ~ 9.3MB H.264 QT 1024x512 (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowsmokey.mov)
That is a very interesting demo. My guess would be if you were to shoot with later retiming in mind, you should use the same shutter speed as the camera running at the retimed speed would use. So in the case of 5x overspeed that would be 1/240 sec (180 degree shutter at 120 fps). Does that agree with your experience? That would mean each frame in the original has the right amount of motion blur already. With less motion blur you might get better pixel matches on rapidly moving areas.

[laguun]

excellent news.

[Jonas Nyström]

Jesus, the clip is F#*!@ING AWESOME!!!!

[Shawn Nelson]

Here's a very quick and dirty retiming test with "Shawn's up in smoke" example. It's exaggerated to 120fps and the motion on Shawn looks OK, but the smoke stutters a bit due to lack of good pixel info to track. But this is just a blind re-time and render out. Lots could be cleaned up in post, direction could be given to the smokey pixels and it could be tweaked by hand to achieve a very clean effect.

Sorry the clip cuts short and has extra black at the end. I didn't shorten the timeline to match my clip and didn't feel like re-rendering it.

slowsmokey.mov ~ 9.3MB H.264 QT 1024x512 (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowsmokey.mov)


Jeff, I like it!!

You should try that on the new clip I posted of the kid jumping on the trampoline. Since it was shot native at 72fps, it could probably do 120 no problem.

[Finner]

Jeff, I like it!!

You should try that on the new clip I posted of the kid jumping on the trampoline. Since it was shot native at 72fps, it could probably do 120 no problem.

SLEEP



by the way liked your 72fps stuff Shawn. If you have the time a shot of someone running past camera would be great. Even better would be if you could ramp it in post so that just as the person nears the camera they ramp to the 72fps. Even the tramp shot ran at real speed and then ramped to 72fps would be really good to see.

I am sure you are quite busy though.

[Tom Lowe]

Nice clip.

Maybe next film a female volleyball match or something? Aerobics? :)

[Eugene]

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/films/borat/430-3.jpg


Maybe next film a female volleyball match or something?