Toronto RED

[David Battistella]

Anyone around Toronto want to meet in the next couple of weeks?

Quick informal get together somewhere mutually agreed upon.


David

[IAN SUN]

Hi David, we are waiting for Morning's #98 to arrive, (Oct 15 ship date as of now) before holding Toronto RED-Meet 03.

PS will be hosting a camera test, and we will have RED-Meet 03 over lunch.

We could start discussing the agenda now though, and set the date as soon as we get confirmation of #98 being shipped.

[R. Gonzales]

Hey guys I'm in.

Method

[David Battistella]

Hi David, we are waiting for Morning's #98 to arrive, (Oct 15 ship date as of now) before holding Toronto RED-Meet 03.

PS will be hosting a camera test, and we will have RED-Meet 03 over lunch.

We could start discussing the agenda now though, and set the date as soon as we get confirmation of #98 being shipped.

Bro,

Sounds good. Want to PM me and we can have a call?

David

[IAN SUN]

Will do, PM sent.

[Anthony Gratl]

EVOLVE:
Good morning Count, what is the count at for T.O red's?
I've ordered one. Let's start there:

COUNT:
Good morning everyone. The Count is ready to count:
One Red Camera hahaha

EVOLVE:
plus the two (no's 50 and 51) here.....

COUNT:
Welll......that makes three. Three Red Camera hahaha

EVOLVE:
Plus PlanetEarths' and Ananisi(sorry im sure I'm spelling it
wrong but I'm too lazy to stop this and open another window)

COUNT:
Now these two adds up to Five. Five Red Camera hahaha

EVOLVE:
Thanks Count.....So we're at Five. who else wants to help count?


(don't know why i decided to write in script, but i did. Perhaps I need coffee)

Okay so this is also in the footage section as well. But let's count here...

[HD Hildebrand]

I'm in. And yes "Count" - planetearth's Red #437 is currently scheduled for November. Oh and Bro has 2 Reds - that makes six... six Red cameras hahahahah!

[David Battistella]

seven,

but I wanted to be eight.


David

[HD Hildebrand]

seven,

but I wanted to be eight.


David


David, you forgot the "hahahahaha".

[David Battistella]

David, you forgot the "hahahahaha".

he he he he he brhaaaaahahahahahahahahhaah

[IAN SUN]

Last time I did a count (TORONTO RED-MEET 02), there were approximately 30 known RED ONEs headed to the GTA (METHOD thought there were more).
That however was in the spring. The count may be dramatically higher now.

So, as David has also suggested, lets start posting agenda ideas for TORONTO RED-MEET 03.

Ok, item #1...?

[R. Gonzales]

Last time I did a count (TORONTO RED-MEET 02), there were approximately 30 known RED ONEs headed to the GTA (METHOD thought there were more).
That however was in the spring. The count may be dramatically higher now.

So, as David has also suggested, lets start posting agenda ideas for TORONTO RED-MEET 03.

Ok, item #1...?


Ha! "Dramatically Higher" ain't the words brother... Try at least 100+ by next spring.


Method

[IAN SUN]

Yeah there gonna be a bunch!
Hope us REDs will be eating other cameras' lunches,
...and not each others.

[IAN SUN]

That of course brings up what may be the most critical agenda item - rates
...discussed at the last two meetings, it will be an ongoing discussion I'm sure.
At least now we'll have had a look at the early market response.





Toronto RED MEET-03

Agenda


1. RED ONE Rental Rates
2................................

[David Battistella]

That of course brings up what may be the most critical agenda item - rates
...discussed at the last two meetings, it will be an ongoing discussion I'm sure.
At least now we'll have had a look at the early market response.





Toronto RED MEET-03


Agenda



1. RED ONE Rental Rates(group business strategies)
2. RED NETWORK a database of RED users and equipment
3. Face to face meetings
4. Setting up The INDEPENDENT TO_RED owners group?
5. RED and POST a discussion about workflow strategy.
6. Toronto RED LUT online database (sharing base looks for red)
7. T.O. RED worldwide (connecting with other groups)

David

[HD Hildebrand]

Toronto RED MEET-03

Agenda


1. RED ONE Rental Rates
2................................


1. RED ONE Rental Rates
2. Where's the beer?
3.........................

[David Battistella]

1. RED ONE Rental Rates
2. Where's the beer?
3.........................


How did I forget that. Do you think we could get Jim to sponsor the RED ONE beer league team we should throw together. That Buzzsaw would look great on a hockey sweater.

david

[JustinGD]

Any suggestions on how we can stick to an agenda? The last meet was great, but it was really more of a Red "Hang-out" than an organized discussion.

We should try to make time for both social and business.

- Justin

[David Battistella]

Any suggestions on how we can stick to an agenda? The last meet was great, but it was really more of a Red "Hang-out" than an organized discussion.

We should try to make time for both social and business.

- Justin

Beer is a good start, but I agree, I'm into pulling something together that accomplishes both.

great meeting you today.

David

[R. Gonzales]

Any suggestions on how we can stick to an agenda? The last meet was great, but it was really more of a Red "Hang-out" than an organized discussion.

We should try to make time for both social and business.

- Justin

Lets try keeping the meeting out of a bar or resturant. Maybe one of the schools might sponser a lecture hall or even maybe carbon computing or somthing like that.

Comments???


Method

[Alex Boothby]

Count me in. Are you sure you want to do this at lunch during the shoot? Could be a bit hectic - haha. I havn't talked to Garth or Gregor in a bit but the rough plan was to try some color grading, comps, comparisons, etc. at Technicolor where I work. We could bring along anyone who's interested - perhaps for meet-up #4 - shortly after the shoot. I might even try to score some beer!

Thanks again to Ian and David for sparking this up again.

[Alex Boothby]

So Method... 100 TO Reds?!?!? That's crazy man.

[R. Gonzales]

Count me in. Are you sure you want to do this at lunch during the shoot? Could be a bit hectic - haha. I havn't talked to Garth or Gregor in a bit but the rough plan was to try some color grading, comps, comparisons, etc. at Technicolor where I work. We could bring along anyone who's interested - perhaps for meet-up #4 - shortly after the shoot. I might even try to score some beer!

Thanks again to Ian and David for sparking this up again.

Hey count me in I'll bring a case of suds :)

[David Battistella]

Hey count me in I'll bring a case of suds :)

There is a great room at the Toronto Public Library at the Runneymede branch (bloor and Runnymede) right at the subway. I can hook up the room, if you wan to start talking dates.

Monday or Wenesday evening after 7:30 is good for me

David

[R. Gonzales]

So Method... 100 TO Reds?!?!? That's crazy man.

Well, maybe not quite 100 but very very close to it. Hell, your getting one, Bro getting two, two friends of mine are getting one each Ps singed up for 10 and Sim just announced 50 red purchases. Never mind that Nick and Vint are already shooting and renting.

Bro is worried about prices dropping... I’ve been talking to producers and I heard some very disturbing things. Rates seem to range from $350 - 1K. If you’re lucky to get your camera sooner rather than later it's possible you might break even by the time the bottom drops out on the rental market and there are over 5 thousand Red one out in the public.

However if we are lucky things will stabilize around the 1k - 1.2k range.

Remember when renting Batteries that you might only get 1000 charges out of that sucker so be careful when you set your prices.


Method (getting pissed at the cheap ass producers in T.O. looking for a 1080 P work-flow) :pinch:

[JD Holloway]

I'm in (despite crazy schedule).
I can probably book a room at Trinity College too (U of T).
It's central and has beer up the street (Duke of York) for apres event suds.
Weekends are better.

J

[HD Hildebrand]

Any suggestions on how we can stick to an agenda? The last meet was great, but it was really more of a Red "Hang-out" than an organized discussion.


- Justin


Ahhhh, does that mean no beer?

Actually, I agree. Be good to get down to some basics if we are to meet.

Also, as Method and the PM I got from JDB point out - 50 go to SIM so that ups the total sum. Though I would assume Sim's would be spread across Toronto, Vancouver and LA.

[JustinGD]

Ahhhh, does that mean no beer?

No no no! I'm not saying no Beer! I think we can make time for both. I like the idea of getting a room at the library or somewhere else, but we can still get beer after.

Boothba, I would love to sit in on some colour grading etc. Let me know when, I can bring beer or food or Whatever!

These meetings are going to be a lot of fun!

-Justin

[David Battistella]

I'm in (despite crazy schedule).
I can probably book a room at Trinity College too (U of T).
It's central and has beer up the street (Duke of York) for apres event suds.
Weekends are better.

J

I'm up for UT as well. Why don't we all meet at Hart House or something and we can catch drinks anywhere after.

Just say go and I can do the Library, there's lots across Toronto.

Maybe we can meet down at the NFB or something.

David

[IAN SUN]

Lets just have the have the meet at PS, since we will be there already for the camera test.

Seems we have a consensus that we should separate it from eats/drinks and formalize the meeting.

As of now the earliest day that looks good is Thursday, Oct 18th.
That date is dependent on Morning and Gregor being able to pick up #98 on the 15th.

We can start the tests at 2 (folks can arrive as their schedule allows), through to say 7, and then break for a structured meeting.

How is the 18th for everyone?

[JustinGD]

The 18th works for me!

[Scott Webster]

Hi Toronto Red'ers

This is a request for any Toronto Red owner that have an EVF on order.
Any chance you can get along to VF Gadgets and see what ideas they have for a mount for the EVF or leveling arm system.

Cheers
Scott

[David Battistella]

Hi Toronto Red'ers

This is a request for any Toronto Red owner that have an EVF on order.
Any chance you can get along to VF Gadgets and see what ideas they have for a mount for the EVF or leveling arm system.

Cheers
Scott


Scott,

Is there a website reference or person to contact? I can have that custom machines as well.

David

[Scott Webster]

Scott,

Is there a website reference or person to contact? I can have that custom machines as well.

David

http://www.vfgadgets.com (http://www.vfgadgets.com)

http://www.vfgadgets.com/VFextentionArm.htm (http://www.vfgadgets.com/VFextentionArm.htm)

Yes, I know they're not cheap...

[HD Hildebrand]

Already triple booked on the evening of the 18th (hate when that happens), but if you are doing any tests at PS with the RED during the day I can come by during that time. Would love to see how my Marshall compares to the Red monitor.

Rocketeer - bought a Red Eye from them a while back. These arms look good, but yes, they are a few bucks. Is the Red arm too short for your needs? The one you linked too looks good, but couldn't a magic arm virtually do the same?

[Scott Webster]

Rocketeer - bought a Red Eye from them a while back. These arms look good, but yes, they are a few bucks. Is the Red arm too short for your needs? The one you linked too looks good, but couldn't a magic arm virtually do the same?

The issue is to be able to quickly change the position of the EVF without having to un-loosen/position/tighten/check/repeat. Remember you have to do this everytime for even the smallest shift in position of the EVF.

[David Battistella]

The issue is to be able to quickly change the position of the EVF without having to un-loosen/position/tighten/check/repeat. Remember you have to do this everytime for even the smallest shift in position of the EVF.


The arm might need a floating mechanism that can stay where you put it (like the original basketball iMacs). The locks are needed but maybe there is a solution that satisfies the need to move it around quickly.

David

[IAN SUN]

Already triple booked on the evening of the 18th (hate when that happens), but if you are doing any tests at PS with the RED during the day I can come by during that time. Would love to see how my Marshall compares to the Red monitor.

Rocketeer - bought a Red Eye from them a while back. These arms look good, but yes, they are a few bucks. Is the Red arm too short for your needs? The one you linked too looks good, but couldn't a magic arm virtually do the same?

Yeah drop by anytime during the test and I sure informal discussions will be going on before the meet. Of course if the camera ship date is pushed we will change the meet date.

[HD Hildebrand]

Thanks Bro - just let us know.

[Gregory Bennett]

18th is good for me!

[shin sugino]

I like to attend the meeting. I have reserved the camera in April this year with all lenses. While ago I have sent Bro PM offering my studio as meeting place. Offer still stands. I will throw in sushi if people are interested.

[IAN SUN]

Hi Shin, we'll hold RED-Meet 03 at PS, but your offer of sushi at your studio is very tempting. We may take you up on that offer for a subsequent Meet.

[HD Hildebrand]

I like to attend the meeting. I have reserved the camera in April this year with all lenses. While ago I have sent Bro PM offering my studio as meeting place. Offer still stands. I will throw in sushi if people are interested.

Shin, if my Red does actually arrive in Novemeber I may just make your studio its home-away-from-home if you have sushi. Add sake to the mix and who knows the possiblities. You see, I have this weekend moto - every Saturday is Sake-night-in-Canada!

[David Battistella]

Shin, if my Red does actually arrive in Novemeber I may just make your studio its home-away-from-home if you have sushi. Add sake to the mix and who knows the possiblities. You see, I have this weekend moto - every Saturday is Sake-night-in-Canada!

Sushi sounds great! Let's do that sooner rather than later.


David

[Yash Keough]

I'd definitely be up for attending a meeting, if my lack of experience would not be a hindrance (I'd just like to sit and listen :-)).

[JD Holloway]

Hi Shin,

I'm not surprised you are interested considering the animals you shoot so regularly.
Good to see you on the board.

J.

[Alex Boothby]

Likewise, happy to see you here Shin. You and I had a brief chat about Red during a Toyota bid early this year. I didn't realise you were getting one. Shin + Red will be a formidable combination, I predict. Exciting.

Alex Boothby
Technicolor vfx.

[shin sugino]

Thank you all for warm welcome.

Shin

[Greg Greene]

Hi Ian

What time is the meet at?

[IAN SUN]

Hi Greg, I will confirm the meet date and time tomorrow.
In the mean time any suggestions for the RED-MEET 03 agenda?
Here is what what has been sugested so far.











Toronto RED MEET-03







Agenda











1. RED ONE Rental Rates(group business strategies)

2. RED NETWORK a database of RED users and equipment

3. Face to face meetings

4. Setting up The INDEPENDENT TO_RED owners group?

5. RED and POST a discussion about workflow strategy.

6. Toronto RED LUT online database (contributions welcome)

7. T.O. RED worldwide (connecting with other groups)

8. Beer (after)

[David Battistella]

Hi Greg, I will confirm the meet date and time tomorrow.
In the mean time any suggestions for the RED-MEET 03 agenda?
Here is what what has been sugested so far.











Toronto RED MEET-03







Agenda









1. RED ONE Rental Rates(group business strategies)

2. RED NETWORK a database of RED users and equipment

3. Face to face meetings

4. Setting up The INDEPENDENT TO_RED owners group?

5. RED and POST a discussion about workflow strategy.

6. Toronto RED LUT online database (sharing base looks for red)

7. T.O. RED worldwide (connecting with other groups)

8. Beer (after)


Ian,

We might want to alter the list. It has been suggested to me that discussing workflow is not something that a "pro DP" would be interested in, as workflows might be a bit of a proprietary Thing that DP's want to keep personal.

So maybe to be more inclusionary and to attract real DP's we should lay off the idea of "sharing".

DAVID

[IAN SUN]

Hi David, I hear you.
But that was a fabulous idea you had, which would be of value to all of us. If pro DPs feel protective of their IP that's cool.
Perhaps we should reword it to "contributions welcome".


***Agenda post edited to reflect that. Is that wording ok?***

[David Battistella]

Hi David, I hear you.
But that was a fabulous idea you had, which would be of value to all of us. If pro DPs feel protective of their IP that's cool.
Perhaps we should reword it to "contributions welcome".


***Agenda post edited to reflect that. Is that wording ok?***

Sounds good Ian. I think to start out we should sent a clear message that the idea is to have people collaborating and forming a loose professional network.

I am a producer as well so it's also just good for me to meet new and talented people all the time. I am not interested in getting together to "steal" from each other. I just think it's nice to meet people face to face and find a way to be professional rather than protectionist.


David

[Anthony Gratl]

Hi All,
So this sounds great. I'm excited to meet everyone at Toronto Red Group and contribute to this exciting turn in the history of capturing moving images. Is there an address to be had where this meeting is taking place?
Cheers
Tony

[rdolishny]

I'm also keen to participate in a test shoot or meeting. When and where?

I am interested in the post and colour side of the process. I'd also like to take some footage and try some 3D tracking.

- Rick

[IAN SUN]

Toronto RED-Meet 03 date and time has now been finalized.
There is a major change however. The owners of RED #98 have decided not to hold a public test.
The camera will however be available for viewing at the meet which will start at 6pm on Wed Oct. 17th at PS Production Services.


Date: Wed. Oct. 17, 2007
Time : 6:00pm
Location: PS Production Services
80 Commissioners Street
Toronto, ON M5A 1A8
T (416) 466-0037










Toronto RED MEET-03







Agenda











6:00pm snacks available courtesy of PS
6:30 meeting start.

1. RED ONE Rental Rates

2. Toronto RED NETWORK - a database of RED users and equipment.

3. Face to face meetings

4. Setting up The INDEPENDENT TO_RED owners group?

5. Toronto RED LUT online database (contributions welcome)

6. RED POST a RED workflow strategy.

Please add to, or alter the agenda to keep the discussion going.