Jumpin in the Rain, 72fps baby!

[Shawn Nelson]

Filmed: Today, Sep 30
Red Settings: ASA 320, Shutter 1/126, 2k cropped
Red Zoom: 50mm, T3

Wow! 72FPS, we have some possibilities here!

Not the most beautifully lit shot (all natural), but it shows the raw potential the best I feel.

Here we have a raw downsizing. Absolutely nothing was done to this clip except to take the downsized proxy and output it to H264.

Another shoutout to Ken (Chazmo) for the web space.

http://brainspasm.com/red/JumpinInTheRain.mov

[I Bloom]

Hell yes! Looks great.

Do you notice a big quality difference between 4K.

Ian

[Alex Boothby]

Hey, fantastic stuff! Thanks again Shawn for sharing.

On another note; are trampoline's really fun any more? What with the safety netting and an inability to get your leg caught in the ropes? Shame.

[goal]

That motion looks really sweet..! This is the sort of thing I want the camera for!

[Paul Hazlett]

Hey, fantastic stuff! Thanks again Shawn for sharing.

On another note; are trampoline's really fun any more? What with the safety netting and an inability to get your leg caught in the ropes? Shame.

yeah damn safety nazis.

thanks Shawn, that was a really good test of what 72 will do for us.

on a side note, it reminded me of the Man show on comedy central a while back, sans chix in bikinis

[Gunleik Groven]

Thanks

G

[jbeale]

Thanks for posting this! It has a very smooth look. (BTW if he's using the lens wide open, it's not really the right scenario to be judging image quality vs. 4k, to say nothing of the rain!)

[Corey Culp]

I'm not going to ever get sick of saying this: looks great, Shawn!

[C.H.Haskell]

Ty...yes, the motion is quite impressive. Has a great feeling to it, bout all I can say really!

[Graeme Nattress]

Great little movie!

Graeme

[Ryan Sims]

Nets and chain link fence shots look horrible in DV and HDV. This looks good, even when compressed for the web.

[Shawn Nelson]

Ironically, Red is the best camera for web delivery!

I am amazed at 2k, and would not hesitate to use it at all. It definitely has more DOF, which can be a nice thing!

[Mike Prevette]

Great!

[Brandon Fraley]

I know this is from 2k instead of 4k, but you didn't have to HALF the size of the online video! give us 1k at least!

looks awesome though, thanks! :)

[Nook Kim]

Thanks for posting the clip. I wonder how much of additional post slow-mo
could be done without sacrificing too much.



It definitely has less DOF, which can be a nice thing!

Not to be picky, but I think you meant more DOF or greater DOF.

[Shawn Nelson]

Not to be picky, but I think you meant more DOF or greater DOF.

Aye, that I did

[Sam Druckerman]

Too Fun, Thanks Shawn.

[Mark Mannschreck]

Cool Shawn. so THAT'S what rain looks like! I get so sick of the sun... and not to get too off topic BUT - one thing I've always wondered - why do I see SO many scenes shot in LA with overcast skies??? Are they all shot close to the beach in June???

[Post]

Shawn,

Thanks for taking the time to post the footage. You must be having the time of your life. Seeing this type of stuff makes me anxious for Christmas....I can't wait....for the best Christmas ever

[Jarred Land]

nice work Shawn.. thats pretty bad ass.

[David Battistella]

Man,

The leaves are turning early in Oregon.

Nice!

David

[Sanjin Jukic]

Thanks Shawn.

Amazing!

[yevlar]

Hell yes!

Awesome stuff, Shawn. This camera never ceases to make me salivate like a rabid squirrel.

[sbroock]

Looks great, Shawn!

What time of day was this shot?

[Shawn Nelson]

Man,

The leaves are turning early in Oregon.

Nice!

David

Actually the leaves haven't turned yet. The trampoline was dirty from a month or so of non-use but I didn't want it cleaned off, I wanted the debris to bounce.


Looks great, Shawn!

What time of day was this shot?

About 2pm, but it was heavily overcast and raining.

[planet e]

fantastic! super smooth and, as someone else already mentioned, there's no crappy aliasing from the grids in the composition. this is dreamy. thanks for sharing with those of us who are waiting....

[Roberto B]

nice work Shawn.. thats pretty bad ass.hey, sorry my non-native english.. but what do you mean by bad ass?.. a dirty ass?.. who has a pretty ass?..

[LEON]

[QUOTE=Shawn Nelson;92173]Filmed: Today, Sep 30
Red Settings: ASA 320, Shutter 1/126, 2k cropped
Red Zoom: 50mm, T3

Thank you for showing your films, it makes the wait less painfull !
But I wonder what difference if the shutter was just plain1/48 or 1/50 ?
Did you try ? With this type of move ?

[Michael Ragen]

You couldn't shoot with a 1/48th or 1/50th shutter at 72 frames per second because the exposure time would be longer than a frame lasts. A 180 degree shutter at 72fps would be 1/144.

[Cam Crowley]

Shawn - great clip.

Couple of questions: How did you get 72fps? I was under the impression that the initial release cameras were not shooting above 30fps yet.

What were you recording to? I'm thinking you have a RAW port recording to RED drive. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In fact I'm hoping I am wrong and you magically recorded it on CF - that would make my day!

Cheers

Cam

[Shawn Nelson]

Shawn - great clip.

Couple of questions: How did you get 72fps? I was under the impression that the initial release cameras were not shooting above 30fps yet.

You are correct. Jim Jannard is my friend :-). I am using a pre-release Beta and reporting directly to Jim and Jarred for my customer support (They rock the house!).



What were you recording to? I'm thinking you have a RAW port recording to RED drive. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In fact I'm hoping I am wrong and you magically recorded it on CF - that would make my day!

Cheers

Cam

Happily, you are wrong. I don't even own a RAW port. I was recording 2k @ 72fps to CompactFlash card.

[Cam Crowley]

Thanks for the info Shawn. Pays to have friends in high places!! And yes that CF info totally made my day!

Cam

[Joe Vinson]

72fps slow-mo... 2k resolution... jumping on a trampoline... in the rain...

Am I the only one who thinks Shawn is nuts for not having a girl in a bikini as the subject of this video? :)

Just kidding -- thanks for all the footage samples you guys are churning out! It almost makes the RED-deprived jealousy subside.

...Almost.

[Finner]

Shawn nice 72fps stuff. If you have the time a shot of someone running past camera would be great. Even better would be if you could ramp it in post so that just as the person nears the camera they ramp to the 72fps. Even the tramp shot ran at real speed and then ramped to 72fps would be really good to see.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

OK, I just had to do it since it came up in that other 72fps thread...

OFlow retiming of the jumping clip to 40% speed -- the equivalent to shooting at 180fps. It stretched the clip out to over a minute, but I just rendered out the first 30sec. Results for motion aren't too bad considering I'm working with a web compressed 512x288 clip to start with. I'd really like to get my hands on some full-rez clips to play with and play with some ramping and other effects.

4.9MB H.264 QT - slowjumpin.mov (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowjumpin.mov)

[Andrew Benz]

As always, thank you Jeff... greatly appreciated.

[Karl H]

oooh, very interesting Jeff. I was wondering what interpolated slo-mo would look like from Red slo-mo when ran through an app like 'twixtor' or something. You can see some pixel warping going on but that fence must be causing havok for it's algorithms :-)

Once 100fps is enabled, this should help futher with minimizing distortions.

thanks for posting.

[Jeff Kilgroe]

This is just a basic retiming done in Motion 3.. Other tools like Twixtor should produce superior results with enough hand-tweaking. It didn't show in this render, but I was seeing it in the preview, in the later half of the clip, when the kid tucks up into a ball, the o-flow interpolation breaks down and there's severe distortion and blending. Overall, I still think the results are impressive considering the low-res source being used.

I'm eager to do some real serious tests, ramping effects, etc.. With Shake, Twixtor and other software... But before I get too serious, I'll wait for the public release of REDCINE and some native RED clips.

A lot could be cleaned up in this example by creating vector outlines of certain elements in the scene, like the leaves, and establishing motion targets, obscuring objects (safety fence), etc...

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jeff and Shawn,

This footage is very very exciting. And think of this, if 2K scaled @ 60fps works out well, then we'd be set for 120 frames with no trouble using Jeff's technique.

This is a very, very big deal guys. Good work!

Jay

[jaadgy akanni]

Jeff and Shawn,

This footage is very very exciting. And think of this, if 2K scaled @ 60fps works out well, then we'd be set for 120 frames with no trouble using Jeff's technique.

This is a very, very big deal guys. Good work!

Jay

Ditto. Jeff, you've put one of my main concerns to rest. Thanks for enlightening me.

[Tom Lowe]

72 is a great speed!

[SalaTar]

OK, I just had to do it since it came up in that other 72fps thread...

OFlow retiming of the jumping clip to 40% speed -- the equivalent to shooting at 180fps. It stretched the clip out to over a minute, but I just rendered out the first 30sec. Results for motion aren't too bad considering I'm working with a web compressed 512x288 clip to start with. I'd really like to get my hands on some full-rez clips to play with and play with some ramping and other effects.

4.9MB H.264 QT - slowjumpin.mov (http://www.appliedvisual.com/redclips/slowjumpin.mov)

SpeedSix has plugins for Scratch (Speedo) last I checked
Furnace?
you better get some render nodes :D

100 frames at 2x clip from Fusion via Speedo:
http://www.salatar.com/1click.mov

[baiting-women]

So... this is my first news post since i have been on your very nice Forum. I'm an italian reader and I liked this forum entry the most though, the way you said it was just amazing!
Cheers.
Jessica

[Shawn Nelson]

Interestingly, this clip has turned into a good demo clip for me to show people how footage originating in 2k can be really good for the web. I show them how the netting doesn't distort even though the clip is so small.

[Jason Sturgis]

Looks great Shawn. The 72fps is killer.

[Pig]

For what it's worth: here's the same clip with some CC:

Original
http://25p.org/rain.jpg

CCed:
http://25p.org/raincc.jpg


WMV 25mb Clip (http://25p.org/rain.wmv)

[Christian Edwards]

some skaters in this frame rate would look superb! Great job mate,untouched footage looks really stylized in that lighting situation .red is the best!

[Shawn Nelson]

Hey Pig, i like that! Thanks for posting!

[ChrisLyon]

Let's see that 2k version, Shawn... :shiftyph34r:

I'm dying to see the HD version of this QT reference file we've been looking at... even if it's only 720p.

And, I might as well jump on the bandwagon of CC-ing since I haven't done it to anyone's work yet:

Original
http://25p.org/rain.jpg

Graded
http://www.perennialmedia.com/redrelay/bandwagon.jpg

[Shawn Nelson]

Let's see that 2k version, Shawn... :shiftyph34r:

I'm dying to see the HD version of this QT reference file we've been looking at... even if it's only 720p.

Well it can't happen tonight :-). The Mac I use to process everything is at an edit office in Portland. I shall try to put that on the list of things to post. Want it up on RedRelay?

[ChrisLyon]

Want it up on RedRelay?
Naturally. :w00t:

[Häakon]

some skaters in this frame rate would look superb!
Sorry it's so small (none of this stuff is compatible!), but it is indeed a skater at 72p. :tongue:

http://www.haakondazs.com/reduser/skater.mov

Shot this handheld the day I picked up my camera - I couldn't wait until I got home to break it out of the box!

[ChrisLyon]

Haha. Wow. My first videos ever were skate vids. Nice.