Spike Black... First Prototype photos.

[Jannard]

I want to make sure that JarRED gets proper credit here. He snuck up on us in the beginning as a fan. Then he wormed his way inside. Now, we don't know what we would do without him. He is officially the "Fire Chief". He does stuff when everyone is out of town, busy or working on something else. Now, JarRED is one of the key players at RED. He took these shots in my absence. I couldn't have done better myself.

Cheers to JarRED.

Jim

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1167523301.jpg

[Jannard]

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[Jannard]

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[Floris Liesker]

Wow... it does start to feel like a real camera to me now...
Congrats on the look.
Is this the same thing as the silver-brushed one with a layer of paint or a different prototype?
And...is it working???

[Jannard]

I guess Spike is officially "for real" now. And it is still December.

Jim

[Carl-August Savgård]

I really do like Spike... Great work boys.

[robbo]

ok - that's it !

Anyone want to buy a child ?
Got a boy,age 5 and girl, age 3.

pm me please - highest tender accepted.

[Tony Lorentzen]

Freakin' NICE!

[_BK]

beautiful!

[P Andersson]

just so

[Emanuel A.]

I guess Spike is officially "for real" now. And it is still December.

JimIndeed. :D

You have all our confidence.

Comment:
This post shows a lot: how this business man likes to accomplish a commitment even when he said it could be difficult to get, so he couldn't give promises. That's why I'm here too. 'cause Jim is the leader in charge. A leadership is a valuable and a 'sacred' asset.

[CVB]

Nice.. Nice Nice!!! Jim, can you tell me who you use for the powder coating? I want to use that on our stuff.

[Evin Grant]

Now that's a perdy lookin' piece a American muscle machine there.

[JVB]

just amazing!

[Evin Grant]

Do I see five Mini XLRs? Are some of those used for HD-SDI too?

[Emanuel A.]

Nice.. Nice Nice!!! Jim, can you tell me who you use for the powder coating? I want to use that on our focus motors.Curt, any update on your device? (I'd suggest to open here a new thread related)

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

He does stuff when everyone is out of town, busy or working on something else.

Working on something else?!

Get your priorities straight now, we count on you! ;-)

ah, and the images looks absolutely stunning, 2007 will be a good year for sure!

[Jarred Land]

Thanks Jim for the kind words.. I wouldnt want to be anywhere else.

[Evin Grant]

I do take credit for recomending the camera used for these awe inspiring pics. D80 Jarred?

[IAN SUN]

Wicked!


That RED ONE is Lovely in BLACK.

[Andrew Benz]

RED TEAM, I am very proud of you and your labors. I am so freakin' happy to have a reservation. Yea for me! I am a winner too! hahaha...( ow! my helmet!)
Thanks for pics Jarred!

[Ignas K]

Nice!

[Gunleik Groven]

Congrats!

And a reall happy new year from all of us to all of... us -;)

Great!

Gunleik

[Christian Berg]

Very nice to see!!! Jim, did you shoot your holiday family movie with Spike? Is it a working camera with components inside? Would really like to know...
Thanks and happy new year!!!
Christian

[Blaine Golden]

Looks great! I'm really glad to see a lens on the front of that thing. :)

[Alex Fostvedt]

That is bitchin'! Is that a matte finish or krinkle? Will there be a cover to keep out dust, snow, bugs, etc. over the output ports?

[Jarred Land]

That is bitchin'! Is that a matte finish or krinkle? Will there be a cover to keep out dust, snow, bugs, etc. over the output ports?

thats a Test matte textured finish. Remember there is nothing "final" about Spike.

port covers are a good idea.. specially for the more sensitive connectors.

[Petr Dvorak]

hmmm ... what a beautifull end of year, cant wait for some 4K surfing/waves footage with RED/Oakley surfing team!
It drives me crazy.

[robbo]

On the subject of connectors -
Can I make an impassioned plea for Red to supply a set of right-angled connectors for all camera body cable connections ?
Dont have to be long, 12" or so ...
So you can drop the cables straight down and tape onto a tripod or whatever ?

Even if it's offered as an accessory, it'd be a nice touch.

[Alex Fostvedt]

thats a Test matte textured finish. Remember there is nothing "final" about Spike.

port covers are a good idea.. specially for the more sensitive connectors.

Covers equal one less thing to worry about, even if it is only for the more sensitive connections. Dust-Off pretty much gets all things out of XLR's.

[Emanuel A.]

Thanks Jim for the kind words.. I wouldnt want to be anywhere else.Well done. You deserve it. And I'm proud to be one of the first to be here and to salute you for your achievement. If the RED success is Jim, it is Jarred too! 1080 (BTW, nice number!) reservations are a lot! Show me another similar product with such demand!... Is it necessary to answer or cannot it?...

[Ace]

Black is the new black.

Absolutely handsome piece of machinery. The resemblance between the final and the render is uncanny..I almost did a double take as the surface finish was identitcal to the render. The fact that the final production unit has stayed true to the promise of many a render is no doubt a testament to the word of this company. RED delivers yet again, with hours left over to spare!

Have a happy new year everyone.

[Adam C Lubkin]

What's Spike doing for New Year's?

[IAN SUN]

Well done. You deserve it. And I'm proud to be one of the first to be here and to salute you for your achievement. If the RED success is Jim, it is Jarred too! 1080 (BTW, nice number!) reservations are a lot! Show me another similar product with such demand!... Is it necessary to answer or cannot it?...

Thanks Emanuel, thats 1080p+++, its a beautiful thing!

I'm a pixel billionaire!

[MikeCurtis]

That looks NICE!

First off - congrats to Jim, Ted, Stuart, Jarred, and the rest of the team for kicking butt on this! This is a long, LOOONG way from that meeting last December with the snowstorm of Post Its.

Looking forward to purty pictures coming out of that box as you shake it down through it's paces.

:)

-mike

[Clayton Harper]

First, thanks for all the hard work and the sharing. Love to all.

Second, I am wondering if Spike represents the final body design or will the production units be revised with feedback from field testing?

[Jannard]

All things are subject to change... but from now on there better be a pretty good reason.

Jim

[(real)filmmaker1977]

I'm glad to hear.

[Jeremy Hughes]

Wow. It actually looks like it's real now. I guess the very shallow depth of field is to hide a few suprises in the design for now? Nah, just kidding.

[Pete Horvath]

Someone mentioned they would like to see the camera's black finish more semi-gloss like that on the cooke lens. I'd second that opinion. I think it would be a bit easier to keep cleaned, and less porous for sticking the odd piece of gaffer tape on. Perhaps it might even be a bit more durable.

Cheers,
Pete

[Ace]

Someone mentioned they would like to see the camera's black finish more semi-gloss like that on the cooke lens. I'd second that opinion. I think it would be a bit easier to keep cleaned, and less porous for sticking the odd piece of gaffer tape on. Perhaps it might even be a bit more durable.

Cheers,
Pete

From my experience, the powder coating isn't as grippy and rough as it looks. It looks like charcoal but its actually quite durable. Its quite wipable.

However, It would be a great step further to have custom coating at factory, like a car. Some users with certain specific applications may benefit from having it white, teflon coated, or even a green/yellow camouflage coating for those wildlife documentary film makers who need to hide from those hungry lions. It would bring a whole new level of form follows function to the camera market IMO.

[Jannard]

Good ideas, Ace. We have looked at camo, but the others are interesting as special order.

Jim

[Jaime Vallés]

Dear Lord... I can just see it now...

FOR IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE:

"PIMP MY RED" - A new reality tv show in 4K.

Twelve RedUser.net members living in one house for two months, with nothing to do except design different colors, textures, and finishes for their respective RED cameras.

Gold-plated with encrusted diamonds!
Zebra stripes... in orange and pink!
Hawaii theme, complete with shark fins!
Did somebody say Mink?!

Don't miss this battle royale, as all twelve DPs compete to see who has the most SUPA-FLY 4K OK!

:eek:

[P Andersson]

lol

different spikes for different tykes

[Jason Francois]

PIMP MY RED....LMFAO!!!!!

Thanks for the amazing pics Jarred. Spike looks so tactile that I got finger prints all over my screen.

What a happy new year.

Thanks RED team

[Hoffmann Films]

looks good...

[Greg Voevodsky]

I love the lense! Looks like a camera now. I'd still like to see full size XLR inputs only because we will all be using adapters which is only more awkward.

Can't wait to see Spike in full shooting mode!!! Please take some pics when on location shooting! Now, time to get back to the beach and work on my tan.

[Häakon]

Wow, that looks amazing. LOVE the black. Love the powder coat. I know things are always "subject to change," but I hope they don't change too much. The camera looks phenomenal... way to go.

[Corrado Silveri]

It's.... incredible.

Oh, no. It's CREDIBLE!

I can't wait. Please, give me a time machine (just for some months trip).

[Sanjin Jukic]

Looks real, looks graet! Thanks Jim , thanks JarRED!
(On these photos) RED ONE camera costs $17,500 and Cooke S4/i 65mm, T2 lens $16,750 (http://www.zgc.com/). Still less than Varicam, CineAlta, Viper with a lens in that category. Arri D20, Dalsa or Genesis you could rent but not to buy...and they are more or less all in HD acquisition format except Dalsa, sorry, but don't forget that ... our RED 4K acquisition dreams come true.

[mikkowilson]

Ok. I'm drooling.


*thunderous applause*


Also, yes, connector caps and right angle adapters sound great to me. Find a way to make the caps non-loose-able - but not finnecky or in the way.

Is that a Composite output port I see? Oh come on.. Pleeeeeeeeaaaaase! :)


- Mikko ... wants RED 1081.

[Graeme Nattress]

Thanks Jim for the kind words.. I wouldnt want to be anywhere else.

Jarred - you completely ROCK! The only place I'd rather have you is in a cloning machine so we could have more of you :-)

Graeme

[Jarred Land]

Jarred - you completely ROCK! The only place I'd rather have you is in a cloning machine so we could have more of you :-)

Graeme

ha ha ha that would be trouble..

[Rob Lohman]

do you fit in one of those Jarred? ;)

[Finner]

[QUOTE=Greg Voevodsky;996] I'd still like to see full size XLR inputs only because we will all be using adapters which is only more awkward.
QUOTE]

I highly second this point. With full size XLR inputs the camera will get much more respect from the sound guys I work with. As a shooter sound is usually last on my list but I just think mini XLR's would cheapen the camera in some peoples eyes. Even if channels 1 & 2 were full size I think that would help.

That said the camera looks great.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

wow, Spike is looking AWESOME! congrats on the design and everything else in the project....man.....that thing is sweet.

[Jarred Land]

[QUOTE=Finner;1092][QUOTE=Greg Voevodsky;996] I'd still like to see full size XLR inputs only because we will all be using adapters which is only more awkward.
QUOTE]
As you can see now from the photos.. full size connectors wouldnt of fit..

Im not sure what the big deal is though, you dont use adapters, you just use cables with different ends on them, most places sell mini xlr on one side of the cable and full size on the other. Just carry a 6 foot one of those and your sound guy can hook his big xlr down the chain away from the camera..

And if your doing wireless lavs... alot of those recievers use mini xlr anyways to begin with so your saving space, weight and cable size.

[Justin Kirchhoff]

i don't know if this has been suggested or mentioned yet, but it goes along the same lines of the finish of the camera...

would engraving be an option? for instance, if you want to put your production studios name on it, you can engrave it into the side, or if you want to put some sort of personalized logo of some sort. i would actually like that more than any type of special glossy finish.

[Jarred Land]

good idea Justin. and if the side flash module stays the way it is (removable) then it would be easy for you to just take that in to any cheezy Mall engraving shop and get it done yourself (if it wasnt a factory option)

[Mardi_Gras]

... And they say black aint pretty, ya gotta be kiddin' me!

Good job, JarRed! Awesome pix.

[CVB]

i don't know if this has been suggested or mentioned yet, but it goes along the same lines of the finish of the camera...

would engraving be an option? for instance, if you want to put your production studios name on it, you can engrave it into the side, or if you want to put some sort of personalized logo of some sort. i would actually like that more than any type of special glossy finish.


We do laser etching on our stuff... it looks awesome and can't be removed... Theres dozens of laser shops online that can do it. It would be cool as a factory option but it would add a few days to the leadtime.

[Emmanuel Cambier]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_1167523301.jpg[/IMG]

I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD:cool:

I guess someone had to do it HUH!! hit it!!

[Matthew Greene]

Does anyone remember the bright orange JVC (and some Panasonic) cameras from the 80's. Can someone tell me what they were thinking? I'm guessing it was for ENG people's safety. I'd like to see RED in bright orange just for S&G.

[danielg]

I don't have a reservation, but I am a fan. That looks great.

Good work.

[Brook Willard]

It's really quite something to finally lay eyes on this thing after so long... You guys are amazing.

Jarred, any chance of nice high-resolution versions of those? I need a new desktop picture. 1920x1200? :D

[Jarred Land]

No problem Brook, give me a couple days and ill make a nice hi-rez wallpaper for you guys to use as wallpapers.

[Brook Willard]

Hell, if I can't see the camera in person... can't afford one... I can at least live vicariously through my screen. ;)

[CVB]

Jarred, don't forget to put a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon in the picture for scale :)

[Blair S. Paulsen]

You are a bad-insky. PBRs, pleeease.

[Gbabymogul]

Holy sh**, there are a lot of changes. You go away for a bit an look what happens. A new forum !

Anyway, I thought I'd register before heading out for New Years. G here (of the D&G). Forum rules wouldn't let me use just "G" ;).This time my co-pro and I are registering separately to avoid any misunderstandings.

So much for the preamble- LOVE the looks of the camera.

Differentiation is what makes a statement. And this camera says it softly, but effectively, IMHO.

You guys said you're on target (or near too it) and it's great to see that realized. Lots of hard work left, of course, but it's a pleasure to see what the production unit will closely resemble. Hope to see it in person soon. Maybe NAB.

PS - Why do women take so long to get ready ? Pfft, forget that question, solving 4K is easier. :p

[Joe Carney]

Is it time to call the folks at American Chopper and get the custom RED commemorative bike built?

Me thinks so.

Joe C.

[Jason Francois]

Is it time to call the folks at American Chopper and get the custom RED commemorative bike built?

Me thinks so.

Joe C.


I don't know if you're joking Zeke, but that would be really sweet. Just because.

[Steve Gibby]

Yeah, let Paul Junior design it, with a little input from Paul Senior...but keep Mikey away from it! No telling what Mikey would build...

[Brian Ferguson]

You guys haven't seen the bikes that some of the Oakley design team have built, it is a whole other Orange County Chopper going on there! Jim has a lot of resources.

[Jared VanLeuven]

Man, NAB's gonna seem like a trip to Disneyland this year...

....oooh the ANTICIPATION!!!

Jim & Gang have got to practice the "I told you so" look for April.

[Rob Lohman]

yeah, we'll probably dress like the men in black. I guess we need the 'silver' looking Spike then... hmmm....

how about a hot rod instead of a custom bike? me like fast, unique & beautiful cars!

[Mardi_Gras]

You guys haven't seen the bikes that some of the Oakley design team have built, it is a whole other Orange County Chopper going on there! Jim has a lot of resources.

Don't doubt it for a second. The whole inside out, upside down, non conventional, anti-establishment philosophy that you guys adopted from the start must have sent a message to the compettition that, there had to be substance here. In so many ways, most of us initial reservation holders are like Jim and the Red team, we're believers, men of ample faith and conviction. Men (and women) with strong volition.

[Charles Papert]

The pix are very pretty and the camera has a nifty look.

Two concerns: the "hump" on the left side may hinder the comfort of the right cheek when operating handheld (a flat surface is preferred, lightly padded even better, a la the Panaflex), and all of those connectors on the right side are a bit alarming from a vulnerability standpoint (imagine sliding backwards handheld through a doorway, and accidentally scraping the right-hand jamb as you go), not to mention the cables will protrude out into the operator's face when operating Steadicam, assuming the rig is flown on the standard left-hand side.

[Ignas K]

Real pictures are so much more powerful!

I would like to see a Spike [real or render] setup with all cables attached - lcd, battery, storage, audio. How will that look?

[Chris Gearhart]

Good question--it would be interesting to see what she looks like. I remember someone on RED team saying something about cable management--aaaand I assume there will be plenty of third party options to connect to RED cage/arms--like gaffers tape :o .

[ericyoung]

Looks lovely - another step towards reality! :D

A few hopefully constructive thoughts though!!

1) Cable management - with so many connectors coming out the side, right angled connectors, as already mentioned, would be desirable. But these connectors look very close together and are lined up in vertical and horizontal lines.

I'm sure the Red Team has already tried fully populating all the connector sockets to check everything fits and doesn't prevent easy plugging/unplugging??

With the mini-XLR's, rightangled connectors would have to be made up with cables coming out diagonally, which would then obscure or block the adjacent connectors. If they were staggered (one row a half, or third, of a pitch to the side of the row above/below) then cables could drop straight down?

2) Ergonomics - The buttons are small, and very close together (again staggering could help with separation. The diameter of the rear control surface is smaller than the "diameter" of the main body so the available area has been reduced for a nice looking but perhaps unnecessary bevelling?

The two adjustment knobs on the back look cute, but are probably very fiddly to grasp.

With both the buttons and the knobs I'm thinking operating with gloves in cold weather! Also there aren't any protective flanges or covers against accidental operation if brushed against, or damage if accidentally bashed.

Where are the independent knobs for audio level control - going through menus would be horrible.

Also, all the buttons are push to operate type rather than some being "up/down/positional" - sometimes these are preferable because you can tell at a glance if they are in the right position eg audio mic/line, phantom power, video gain level, etc.

I notice the mini-XLRs are mounted below the surface so the release tabs are flush - looks neat, but again does this make operating the release trickier with large fingers or gloves? Actually all the connectors are surface flush - very clean looking, but I'm sure everyone's had occasions where worn cable connector locking mechanisms refuse to release and being able to jam in a screwdriver gets you out of trouble? Obviously this isn't applicable to every type of connector, but something to consider?

I'm all for reinventing, rethinking, simplifying and streamlining concepts from the old guard of cameras, but all those little ergonomic details evolved in response to operator feedback and are tried and tested solutions to making life easier. (Although even then, they don't get everything right every time!)

I look forward to Red's solutions to the same issues!

[Don Woods]

That is the most beautiful thing I think I have ever seen

[Zakaree Sandberg]

The pix are very pretty and the camera has a nifty look.

Two concerns: the "hump" on the left side may hinder the comfort of the right cheek when operating handheld (a flat surface is preferred, lightly padded even better, a la the Panaflex), and all of those connectors on the right side are a bit alarming from a vulnerability standpoint (imagine sliding backwards handheld through a doorway, and accidentally scraping the right-hand jamb as you go), not to mention the cables will protrude out into the operator's face when operating Steadicam, assuming the rig is flown on the standard left-hand side.
standard left hand side?... i fly right

[Anders Holck]

standard left hand side?... i fly right

Well you are operating "goofy foot" then :-)

[mikkowilson]

Yup left hand side is standard (like CP would be wrong about this!), you are (or at least operate) goofy!


- Mikko ... is not goofy, but only when operating Steadicam :)

[Häakon]

I operate on the right side too. Go goofy Steadicam ops! :)

[Alexander Nikishin]

My only worry for a matte coat is that it remains smooth for cleanliness.

There's nothing worse than a rough surface to clean after shooting at the beach or in the desert all day.

2007.....around 4 months away possibly from owning my Red ! :eek:

[Charles Papert]

Just to be clear, there is nothing incorrect or "less than" about flying with the rig on the right side, aka goofy foot, I was just implying that the majority of operators fly it on the left and thus this would hopefully be taken into consideration.

[Trevor Meier]

For studio & on sticks, you can order up a custom cable harness with the needed connectors on a two-foot tail... keep it small & clean with a single quick release connector.

Though there's a lot of connectors on the side, not all will be in use at any one time. And for handheld use a relatively small number of ports will be needed (drive, LCD, power & audio). The most populous connectors are likely for various flavours of video.....

[Anders Holck]

Yeah no big deal. I'm still trying to master both sides for flexibility, but the left side just feels so much better...

Btw. I know a camera operator that do left shoulder handheld with the eyepiece overturned to the right side. That won't be comfortable with the location of those connectors. Of course he is absolutely goofy!

[Greg Voevodsky]

I think, we'll see a lot more change once we see Spike, loaded up, cables and all. I just hope there is enough time to make those adjustments to cable connections before production.

I think Eric Young is dead on in his advice. I'd still like to see the LCD attached to one side (detachable of course). The one nice thing about a flip out LCD is that it can cover and protect lots of buttons when you are not using them.

[Adam C Lubkin]

The one nice thing about a flip out LCD is that it can cover and protect lots of buttons when you are not using them.

At the expense of flexibility in positioning of the lcd, and for that matter the option to have one or not.

[garageman]

At the expense of flexibility in positioning of the lcd, and for that matter the option to have one or not.

Exactly, let's not be tied down to a one position lcd. Detachable lcd is good for awkward angles etc.

[REDHKSC]

May I allow to give a suggestions here when everytime we power up the RED one camera ?

Like the National songs - USA from the RED one speakers in the body ) Jimi - Hendrix's USA Guitar sound with USA's Flag in the EVF in super high-Resolution ( 1280 x 720 ) in less than 10 ".

It's time to let the world know USA is a leading nation to change and make the world even better.

my best.-

Stewart

[Juan Caballero]

Hello and Happy New Year!
Congratulation for the result of “spike”. I like everything….
…. except the holes of the connections, I will prefer like in the pictures:




They still on the right side of the camera but horizontal instead of perpendicular …..
and over it, a door that you open from the bottom, that way, you can catch the camera without problem for the cables…

[Gavin Greenwalt]

The thing is lookin' mighty perty!

Will you have one ready to loan out for the CML January tests?

[Shawn Nelson]

So Jarred, are you now a full time salaried Red guy? Oh, you're also the president of the fan club (in case that's not obvious)

[Jarred Land]

So Jarred, are you now a full time salaried Red guy? Oh, you're also the president of the fan club (in case that's not obvious)

yes indeed.. have been for awhile.

President of the "Fanclub" is just a nice bonus..

[Shaun Au]

I'm in love with that hard annodized black finish...

And I hope those hex bolts are all titanium to save a few grams, hehehe.

[Jason Ramsey]

Puurrty.

What better resume could you ask for, Jarred? I worked with the RED team.

Geez,
Jason

[Rob Lohman]

Guess I can wipe the rest of my resume and just add 1 line: "work at RED" :)

[Erik Widding]

All things are subject to change... but from now on there better be a pretty good reason.

Jim

Please forgive my marking up such a sexy image with spray paint. Out of respect, I did pick the color RED.

http://www.birger.com/graphics/red_mount.jpg

On the original mock ups, the piece painted red appeared to have mounting screws accessible from the outside of the camera. As such, it appeared that it would be easy for a user to remove this mount (the PL-mount) and replace it with a third party mount without having to disassemble the camera. On this series of images, it appears that these screws are only accessible from inside the camera. Any chance the mounting screws are accessible once the lens is removed?

We are considering offering a follow focus unit for CanonEF, NikonF and FourThirds lenses for this camera and accessible screws would make this an upgrade that could be performed in the field. An easy to remove lens mount would allow us and other third parties to provide a wder range of lens options to your shooters/owners.

If this piece is easily removable, what is the back focal distance (in air) from this mating surface. If it is less than 1", preferably less than 0.9" it will make it much easier (and less expensive) for us to adapt our existing CanonEF controller to this camera. Even if we don't come out with a follow focus unit when the camera is first available, we do believe some users will desire to have iris control for EF lenses tha does not require carrying around a Canon camera body, and using it to make the iris change.

If the screws are not accessible from the outside of the camera, do any Red reservation holders want to chime in as to whether this is a "pretty good reason" for change.


Regards,
Erik.

[Evin Grant]

Jim has stated in the past that Reds own
Nikon mount would be available when the camera ships. And it should be user interchangeable, if not field replaceable.

[Evin Grant]

yeah, we'll probably dress like the men in black. I guess we need the 'silver' looking Spike then... hmmm....

how about a hot rod instead of a custom bike? me like fast, unique & beautiful cars!

You guys are thinking too small...

http://www.evingrant.com/Redliner.jpg

[Alexander Nikishin]

You guys are thinking too small...

Is that jet for real Evin?

[Jarred Land]

that jet Evin posted is actually an old one.. this is Jim's current Jet. I think it just got some Red accents recently.

the camo is actually the globe.. Portugal and Spain are nearest the front on this side.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_1167878028.jpg

[Alexander Nikishin]

Damn, Jannard is the pimp my plane of the world also!

[Brook Willard]

That's so cool it hurts.

[Jason Francois]

I'm rarely a jealous man, but that jet does it to me. :)

[Poi Boy]

wow, you are right brook; so cool it hurts.
Aloha
-A

[Isaac Brody]

That jet is ridiculous. Hey Jim, can I be in your entourage? ;)

[dalen johnson]

It would be nice to see red pic with a red lens on it.
A full "red" pick.

None the less, is it nice to see it with a lens, thanks for the Pic Jarred.

Peace

dalen

[ericyoung]

http://www.birger.com/graphics/red_mount.jpg
We are considering offering a follow focus unit for CanonEF, NikonF and FourThirds lenses for this camera and accessible screws would make this an upgrade that could be performed in the field...If the screws are not accessible from the outside of the camera, do any Red reservation holders want to chime in as to whether this is a "pretty good reason" for change.
Regards, Erik.

BIG yes please! :cool:

[Shawn Nelson]

birgerEngineer, please please please! Please at least get us the CanonEF->PL mount with iris adjustment by Red launch. My dad and I have like $5k worth of EF lenses and would buy your mount if it was reasonably priced by Red's launch. If it's not by launch, we will be forced to invest in a pile of Nikon glass. bleh. Follow focus would be swell later, but at least get us going in EF by end of May.

[peter roehsler]

Erik,
from what I read on Birger´s site, a PC is needed to remote a Canon lens. Any chance for a field-type solution, like a focus wheel in a box?
Peter

[Don Woods]

Damn Jim that is one Bad Ass Jet.. I love it. We need a new pic Jarred with the RED logos on it. That would be awesome.

[Petr Dvorak]

Wow, that picture of N2T jet was shot in Prague at March 20 and 23 last year, and after it was seen nightstopping in Switzerland ZRH, 23/24 Mar on a flight to Fargo, ND.
I didnt know you are jumping to Prague for some beer Jim? Cheer :D

http://lotnictwo.net/foto.php?id=124733
Praga Ruzyne, Czechy (PRG/LKPR)
2006-03-20
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1026901/M/
Prague - Ruzyne (PRG / LKPR)
Czech Republic, March 23, 2006
http://www.aerpix.net/01-photos/2006/01-zrh/200603/00-090.htm

...seems like these airplane fans can track you everywhere! ;)

[Zakaree Sandberg]

that bd-700 is similar to what i fly.. the gulfstream iv.. jim need a new pilot?

[Joe Carney]

Link to info on the Bombardier Global Express....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Global_Express

[Tom Lowe]

It looks badass.

[Petr Dvorak]

Cabin height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)..... I dont fit there :)

[Ronnie Silos]

We are considering offering a follow focus unit for CanonEF, NikonF and FourThirds lenses for this camera and accessible screws would make this an upgrade that could be performed in the field. An easy to remove lens mount would allow us and other third parties to provide a wder range of lens options to your shooters/owners.
Erik.

Eric, support for Canon EF lenses would be a dream for me. Having invested in a bunch of Canon primes - 24 1.4L, 50 1.4, 85 1.2L, 135 2.0L and a couple of 200 1.8L, this would be my ideal personal setup and will just rent lenses as needed. Yeah, I'm also willing to drag my SLR to change lens settings. I drag it now anyway.

[betty schaefer]

groveling time - i have been a loudmouth 'bout the first designs. i found 'em a bit tacky..like the girls smoking a cigar - it's a chick thing i guess. but i just saw the new renderings and i like the less chunky, more toned down design alot better. and i'm hugely impressed by the speed your team achieved your milestones. so i hope you accept my appologies.

[Jarred Land]

Cabin height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)..... I dont fit there :)

nor do i :)

[chuck colburn]

nor do i :)

I'm exactly 6'3" but I'm willing bow humblely to fit. I'm also willing to lick up any spilt drinks (if possible I prefer Samuel Smiths pale ale). And "almost" anything else to hang with you guys!

Chuck

[Petr Dvorak]

With some drinks I will fit there for sure :D

[Alaskaphoto&Video]

Great site!!!!

Greg Syverson

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Eric, support for Canon EF lenses would be a dream for me. Having invested in a bunch of Canon primes - 24 1.4L, 50 1.4, 85 1.2L, 135 2.0L and a couple of 200 1.8L, this would be my ideal personal setup and will just rent lenses as needed. Yeah, I'm also willing to drag my SLR to change lens settings. I drag it now anyway.

Dragging your SLR to change lens settings? I have heard of this but don't know the procedure. Please tell, please tell...

If only Canon would sell a rig to allow use of their EF lenses without having to be on an EOS body. I suppose they would be afraid of hurting sales of the EOS bodies but they would sell more glass and they would make plenty of money doing that. It would also sell lenses into the motion imaging market for RedRock and other 35 adapters for video and obviously RedOnes.

[Erik Widding]

Dragging your SLR to change lens settings? I have heard of this but don't know the procedure. Please tell, please tell...

So the story goes... Foveon (the manufacturer of the sensor in the Sigma SLR camera) sold its development kit with a Canon EF lens mount on it. They supplied a cheap film camera body with that kit for setting the iris on the lens. The instructions were to mount the lens, take a bulb exposure with aperture setting that you want, and remove the battery from the camera to keep the iris at that setting.

The other way that I have been told works is to use a camera with an aperture preview button, and while pushing down that preview button quickly remove the lens, and pray that iris doesn't reset. Repeat procedure until successful.


If only Canon would sell a rig to allow use of their EF lenses without having to be on an EOS body. I suppose they would be afraid of hurting sales of the EOS bodies but they would sell more glass and they would make plenty of money doing that. It would also sell lenses into the motion imaging market for RedRock and other 35 adapters for video and obviously RedOnes.

My company, Birger Engineering, does sell such a device for Canon EF lenses. We have Sigma SA, FourThirds, and Nikon F (D or G for iris, AF-S for focus) devices in the works. We are talking to a number of people in the community to understand how to best purpose the device for this market, particularly the RED camera.

The current configuration is as a replaceable lens mount, where an external device, such as a PDA, or computer can act as the source/sink of the data. Many of our industrial customers have integrated this in such a way that the sensor is involved in the control loop, and the camera is the source/sink for the data.

We have set an internal deadline of NAB2007 for an announcement, but just as soon as we have a concrete plan we will let everyone know.

Our controller is already used by at least one customer on a P+S Technik Pro35. But given the high cost of this device, it is primarily available through rental houses, and it has not proven to be a big market. The RedRock on the other hand is targetted at such a cost conscious user that we have yet to see anything more than fleeting interest.

RED changes things in a big way, or so we think. Particularly interesting is the way it will enable owner/operators, and our belief that owner operators are going to want to own affordable lenses as well. With a "smart" lens mount we can provide the data that would be needed in post to remove artifacts of lens breathing, for example. And with the short focus throw of these lenses, using the internal motors, rather than an external gear and knob, should provide a very good quality of result for focus pulling.

It is not so much an if, as it is a how / what / when, question right now.


Regards,
Erik.

[Joel Kaye]

And with the short focus throw of these lenses, using the internal motors, rather than an external gear and knob, should provide a very good quality of result for focus pulling.


Given that the newest Nikon lenses like the 12-24mm made don't have aperture rings a device like that would be great. If you could add wireless focus and aperture control you'd really have something amazing. Actually - a thin cabled control available in different lengths would work almost as well and probably be easier to develop.

Yeah... I think you're really onto something here as long as you don't charge $5k for it.

[Cire]

How much would it be to rent for 1-2 weeks?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

[Jason Francois]

Great site!!!!

Greg Syverson

Yes, it is.

Welcome.

[Martin Drew]

RED changes things in a big way, or so we think. Particularly interesting is the way it will enable owner/operators, and our belief that owner operators are going to want to own affordable lenses as well. With a "smart" lens mount we can provide the data that would be needed in post to remove artifacts of lens breathing, for example. And with the short focus throw of these lenses, using the internal motors, rather than an external gear and knob, should provide a very good quality of result for focus pulling.

This sounds excellent. It also open up the possibility of using APS_C format lenses with the RedOne, which should (in theory) be more appropriate to the 4K format. In particular I love the idea of being able to use the Canon 10-22mm lens. Now thats a nice wide lens.

M

[David Nardini]

... In particular I love the idea of being able to use the Canon 10-22mm lens ...

Canon 10-22mm -> YES PLEASE :) :) :)

can birgerEngineer keep us posted on progress / thinking ...

[Faceman]

This sounds excellent. It also open up the possibility of using APS_C format lenses with the RedOne, which should (in theory) be more appropriate to the 4K format. In particular I love the idea of being able to use the Canon 10-22mm lens. Now thats a nice wide lens.

M

On Nikon DX lenses you can shoot with them wide open all the time on RED by using a folded piece of paper keeping the aperture open. For the time being this can be useful until birgerEngineer's company releases his product.

[Gregory Karydis]

Thanks for the awesome shots JarRed.

As for the Canon EF mount... I won't say a thing till someone gets it done, preordered the 300mm Red lens to be able to shoot right out of the box but I am not going to let go of my L series glass for some nikon (bleh)

Well, I may be a little late in on the game but being a Juliet owner since day one I can say they've saved my eyes in many a skiing accident so I am confident to have my life depend on a RedOne.

(seems to me the thread has strayed a bit :p )

[Andrew Benz]

Nice RED #, Nutman, congrats.

[Gregory Karydis]

As for Spike's texture and colour I must admit I like it a lot :)
But won't it get too hot under the sun? (think of the reasoning behind Canon L series ceramic lenses)
So I think a material like the Oakley X Metal would be more hard to wear and up to the task.
But I really really like Spike as it is, Badass Black (yeah, that's a new shade of black reserved for the coolest hardware out there)

[Felipe Jaco]

You stupid assholes(this referes to a RED team), now I fell in love with this RED ONE.
I would like to sleep with it(but yust holding it tight).

[Jeff Kilgroe]

You stupid assholes(this referes to a RED team)

I know it doesn't make sense, but I think that was a compliment... :confused:

[ericyoung]

Something lost in translation! :p

[Finner]

You stupid assholes(this referes to a RED team), now I fell in love with this RED ONE.
I would like to sleep with it(but yust holding it tight).

I have EX-girlfriends that use these kind of compliments and many more,

[tj williams]

So we have mini xlrs. I actually don't know any sound guys with mini xlrs so I will have to buy adapters, and have them plug into that. It'l work just another thing to go wrong. Even Ch 1 and 2 full size and the others all on one lemo would work. usual snake is only 2 in anyway.

[Finner]

Agreed

Full size xlrs would be more standard and better. Heck even pd170's and dvx's have full size XLR's I just don't get the mini's. I relate the minis to more of a consumer camera and not a pro one.

[SalaTar]

I think a mini XLR is just a cable adjustment, why do I need that big ass connector anyway?

[Anders Holck]

I don't see the mini XLR's as problem, but you might want to purchase a 15 feet 4 channel snake with mini XLR's in one end and regular XLR's in the other to have in your kit.

[SalaTar]

Petting the sweaty or sweating the petty....:D

[Nick Shaw]

Sound recordists usually use a multi-pin curly snake from the SQN, with different 'tails' for different cameras. You just need to have a Red tail, with mini-XLRs and a headphone return.

[Ronnie Silos]

My company, Birger Engineering, does sell such a device for Canon EF lenses. We have Sigma SA, FourThirds, and Nikon F (D or G for iris, AF-S for focus) devices in the works. We are talking to a number of people in the community to understand how to best purpose the device for this market, particularly the RED camera.

The current configuration is as a replaceable lens mount, where an external device, such as a PDA, or computer can act as the source/sink of the data. Many of our industrial customers have integrated this in such a way that the sensor is involved in the control loop, and the camera is the source/sink for the data.

We have set an internal deadline of NAB2007 for an announcement, but just as soon as we have a concrete plan we will let everyone know.

It is not so much an if, as it is a how / what / when, question right now.

Regards,
Erik.

Hi Erik,
I was the one that called you on the phone asking about support for Canon EF lenses. I almost had an accident sitting on my chair after the call. I am crossing my fingers for a good announcement from you and your company in the next few weeks. Everyone who wants EF support, please cheer Erik and the Red Team on! Maybe if we show enough support, they will be able to answer how, what, and when. Waiting anxiously :p

Ronnie

[Gregory Karydis]

Everyone who wants EF support, please cheer Erik and the Red Team on! Maybe if we show enough support, they will be able to answer how, what, and when. Waiting anxiously :p

Ronnie

Hip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!!!!

[Paul Leeming]

Oh definitely, with an integrated handgrip like the JVC GY-HD101E it would be the missing piece of the puzzle and open Red up to a whole new section of indie creatives...

[Blair S. Paulsen]

The imaging business has long been carefully segmented by the manufacturers and marketing departments (see Sony). The Red Leader ignored this orthodoxy and assembled a team that is making a camera that has the characteristics of the absolute state of the art for motion imaging - at a price that covers all but the low end of the market.

This sea change in the business is opening the door to a meaningful owner/operator community. There will still be a prominent place in the industry for well run rental operations but some adjustments are likely.

Using lenses designed for the massive still photography market is presenting another opportunity for owner/operators. Like many of us I have an affinity for the modern Canon L series glass but the "access denied" condition of the EOS pin outs has rendered them problematic for use with my M2 (I just use them wide open only) and seem likely to vex me with the RedOne as well.

I hope that Birger Engineering will develop great enabling tech for the motion imaging community to use the great glass purpose built for still work. Due to the very high cost of specialty Cine glass there sure seems to be a big market niche. I especially like the idea of tracking lens data that could be used to remove breathing and ramping by animating scale in post - this feature would rock.

[tj williams]

Please forgive my marking up such a sexy image with spray paint. Out of respect, I did pick the color RED.

http://www.birger.com/graphics/red_mount.jpg

On the original mock ups, the piece painted red appeared to have mounting screws accessible from the outside of the camera. As such, it appeared that it would be easy for a user to remove this mount (the PL-mount) and replace it with a third party mount without having to disassemble the camera. On this series of images, it appears that these screws are only accessible from inside the camera. Any chance the mounting screws are accessible once the lens is removed?

We are considering offering a follow focus unit for CanonEF, NikonF and FourThirds lenses for this camera and accessible screws would make this an upgrade that could be performed in the field. An easy to remove lens mount would allow us and other third parties to provide a wder range of lens options to your shooters/owners.

If this piece is easily removable, what is the back focal distance (in air) from this mating surface. If it is less than 1", preferably less than 0.9" it will make it much easier (and less expensive) for us to adapt our existing CanonEF controller to this camera. Even if we don't come out with a follow focus unit when the camera is first available, we do believe some users will desire to have iris control for EF lenses tha does not require carrying around a Canon camera body, and using it to make the iris change.

If the screws are not accessible from the outside of the camera, do any Red reservation holders want to chime in as to whether this is a "pretty good reason" for change.


Regards,
Erik.


Way back I was one of the people who suggested interchangeable mounts and sent pictures of the Eclair ACL system to the RED team. The new format looks to me like the lens mount simply unlocks and screws off. This will be an elegant solution to the problem of interchanging lens mounts.

Hey RED developers if that is the case let these people know as they want to be your third party developer. And many of us who might use EOS lenses will be made very happy.

[Jan Prochazka]

... Everyone who wants EF support, please cheer Erik and the Red Team on! Maybe if we show enough support, they will be able to answer how, what, and when. Waiting anxiously :p

Ronnie

I'm also interested in Canon EF adapter. Just count me in, please.

[Erik Widding]

Today we got our Canon EF mount working with a follow focus control that is being developed by a video oriented rental house. The development of a servo focusing mode for our mount is not yet complete, but todays efforts demonstrated that it is possible and produces a very pleasing result. I will post some more involved test information tomorrow. Today's testing included the 85mm f/1.2 II, the 100mm f/2, and the 200mm f/1.8.

My rental house colleague has brought about twenty lenses that we will be testing tomorrow. I will have a new update. Important thing is, this is no longer a speculative project. The box with the knob on it is the easy part. We have finished the ard part.

I thank everyoe for the constructive suggestions; the emails and the phone calls suggesting features and dos and don'ts. Please keep the information flowing in my direction.

We will start the development of the "box with a knob" shortly. So if you want to provide input please do so soon.

[Martin Drew]

Rock on Erik! This is a great development.

M

[Vince K]

Love it!! But why are the pics always so dark!! Shed some lighton this for me!

[David Nardini]

... this is no longer a speculative project ...

fantastic news ... really looking forward to knowing more as and when :D

[alexvoutsinas]

Questions about RED!
All digital cameras with CMOS have the same problem when we change lens, dust....
How can fix this serious problem, Has the censor something like "antistatic" or something else...

About temperature? How react: Camera,Censor,Hard disk, to the low -20ºC or high+40ºC temperature...

[Rob Lohman]

Why is dust a problem? There are a lot of (CMOS) DSLR shooters out there with zero problems. Use a sensor brush to clean the sensor (if you need that) for example. Obviously change lenses in a proper location if sand is blowing around and so on. No different than any other removable lens system including film.

[Sanjin Jukic]

That's true. Use VisibleDust only. Watch the Flash movie below

http://www.visibledust.com/My%20Project_controller.swf

[Michael Hastings]

Erik:

Can your mount use EF-S lenses i.e. 10-22. It seems to me a mount could be made to use either - that is if the mount is the same as on the EF-S (digital rebel, d20 d30 etc.) it could use either since supposedly the compatibility issue is that the ef-s lenses stick out too far and would hit the mirror on the full frame cameras - not an issue on the RED. We will be making underwater housings for the RED and the ability to use this lens would be great and we have a LANC control board that could probably be easily reprogrammed to work your mount for focus, iris, etc.

P.S. The chip size of the EF-S type camera is almost identical to the RED Mysterium sensor, so coverage shouldn't be a problem.


Today we got our Canon EF mount working with a follow focus control that is being developed by a video oriented rental house. The development of a servo focusing mode for our mount is not yet complete, but todays efforts demonstrated that it is possible and produces a very pleasing result. I will post some more involved test information tomorrow. Today's testing included the 85mm f/1.2 II, the 100mm f/2, and the 200mm f/1.8.

My rental house colleague has brought about twenty lenses that we will be testing tomorrow. I will have a new update. Important thing is, this is no longer a speculative project. The box with the knob on it is the easy part. We have finished the ard part.

I thank everyoe for the constructive suggestions; the emails and the phone calls suggesting features and dos and don'ts. Please keep the information flowing in my direction.

We will start the development of the "box with a knob" shortly. So if you want to provide input please do so soon.

[Erik Widding]

Can your mount use EF-S lenses i.e. 10-22. It seems to me a mount could be made to use either - that is if the mount is the same as on the EF-S (digital rebel, d20 d30 etc.) it could use either since supposedly the compatibility issue is that the ef-s lenses stick out too far and would hit the mirror on the full frame cameras - not an issue on the RED. We will be making underwater housings for the RED and the ability to use this lens would be great and we have a LANC control board that could probably be easily reprogrammed to work your mount for focus, iris, etc.

P.S. The chip size of the EF-S type camera is almost identical to the RED Mysterium sensor, so coverage shouldn't be a problem.

We do support EF-S lenses. When the first came out a few years ago there were some mechanical issues. Fortunately it was early in the product lifecycle before we had paid for an injection mold for one of the parts.

You raise an interesting point, the coverage of many of these "digital" lenses is quite good for the size of the Mysterium sensor. This is true for the Canon and Nikon lenses, but not so much for the FourThirds. I am quite impressed with the construction of some of the Nikon AF-S DX lenses that we have been playing with the last few weeks. Seems Nikon was forced to compensate for all of the backlash in their mechanical focusing system in the pre-AF-S days, and carried over some of this learning to the newest lenses. The Nikon still will have a mechanical linkage for the iris - a limitation. But I suspect our servo focus mode (for use with an electronic follow focus controller) may work much better on the cheap Nikon lenses that it will on the cheap Canon lenses. It is too early to say this definitively, but I can safely say that I think the Nikon platform is going to offer some interesting benefits we hadn't initially expected.

[Andrew M.]

Erik, can you make a small box with two knobs on it for adjusting exposure and focus, so we don’t have to connect laptop to your adapter?
I am afraid that RED will be busy for some time and Canon EF mount is not on the top of the list.

[Erik Widding]

Erik, can you make a small box with two knobs on it for adjusting exposure and focus, so we don’t have to connect laptop to your adapter?
I am afraid that RED will be busy for some time and Canon EF mount is not on the top of the list.

Do you mean something like this? (see attached picture)

This is the prototype control unit from MTL Video that should be out by NAB. Theirs will be built like a tank. Ours will be much less expensive - made from injection molded plastic rather than NC machined aluminum. We will have more details soon.

Before anybody complains about any ergonomic details, please let me stress that this is a PROTOTYPE! And, there is an iris know that you can't see in the picture.

It works really well with a bunch of lenses. We still have some work to do. We have been very busy the last few weeks. I promise to post an update soon.

[Joel Kaye]

Do you mean something like this? (see attached picture)

This is the prototype control unit from MTL Video that should be out by NAB. Theirs will be built like a tank. Ours will be much less expensive.


This looks like an awesome product. Can't wait to see it all in action. I like the "much less expensive" part quite a bit too.

[Cesar Rubio]

I like the Spike design very much! Congratulations Jim, and the Red team of course.

I think that this camera can be used for 3-D work and compete with IMAX easily!

Watch out IMAX, you won't be the only King of 3-D in the future!

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio

[Stephen Williams]

Why is dust a problem?
No different than any other removable lens system including film.

Hi Rob,

In 30 years of changing lenses on a film camera I never had dust on the 'sensor', I have however had dust on my DSLR's sensor.

Stephen

[J. Bernard Vallon]

its a bigger problem because on a film camera, if dust lands on a frame, it is pushed out of the way onto the next frame. You can blast dust out of the way with a canned air, your fine. Even if something big lands in the gate, like a hair, it gets pushed to the side and kind of out of the way.

On a digital sensor one tiny piece of dust stays put and ruins every frame. Canned air isnt good for sensors, so removing it is harder.

[Cesar Rubio]

Hi Rob,

In 30 years of changing lenses on a film camera I never had dust on the 'sensor', I have however had dust on my DSLR's sensor.

Stephen

The best approach that I've seen for this problem, is the one found on Machine Vision Cameras (at least on AVT cams). And that is, to place the IR cut filter just where the threads where you mount the lens ends. This way dust never reaches the inside of the camera, including the sensor.

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.

[chuck colburn]

What threads on the lens mount?

[Rob Lohman]

Use the same cleaning methods as you do with a DSLR. Sensor brushes or swabs etc.

[Cesar Rubio]

What threads on the lens mount?

C-mount cameras have a thread to mount the lens, which has a thread also.

Cesar Rubio.

[Andrew M.]

Do you mean something like this? (see attached picture)

This is the prototype control unit from MTL Video that should be out by NAB. Theirs will be built like a tank. Ours will be much less expensive - made from injection molded plastic rather than NC machined aluminum. We will have more details soon.


Erik, this is exactly what I need, one for focus, one for aperture and one for zoom.

When, and I don't ask how much:-)

[chuck colburn]

C-mount cameras have a thread to mount the lens, which has a thread also.

Cesar Rubio.

Hi Ceaser,

I get it. I thought you were refering to the mounts that will be used on the Red camera.

Chuck

[Mark Pugh]

We do support EF-S lenses. When the first came out a few years ago there were some mechanical issues. Fortunately it was early in the product lifecycle before we had paid for an injection mold for one of the parts.

You raise an interesting point, the coverage of many of these "digital" lenses is quite good for the size of the Mysterium sensor. This is true for the Canon and Nikon lenses, but not so much for the FourThirds. I am quite impressed with the construction of some of the Nikon AF-S DX lenses that we have been playing with the last few weeks. Seems Nikon was forced to compensate for all of the backlash in their mechanical focusing system in the pre-AF-S days, and carried over some of this learning to the newest lenses. The Nikon still will have a mechanical linkage for the iris - a limitation. But I suspect our servo focus mode (for use with an electronic follow focus controller) may work much better on the cheap Nikon lenses that it will on the cheap Canon lenses. It is too early to say this definitively, but I can safely say that I think the Nikon platform is going to offer some interesting benefits we hadn't initially expected.
any chance of getting the image stabilizer to work on a Canon EF?

[Cesar Rubio]

Hi Ceaser,

I get it. I thought you were refering to the mounts that will be used on the Red camera.

Chuck

Chuck:

Actually I made the comment, to see if the Red team could implement something like that in the Spike & Red Cameras...perhaps in the future?

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.

[Erik Widding]

any chance of getting the image stabilizer to work on a Canon EF?

Image Stabilization works on our existing Canon EF mount.

[chuck colburn]

Chuck:

Actually I made the comment, to see if the Red team could implement something like that in the Spike & Red Cameras...perhaps in the future?

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.

Hi Cesar,

Your the first one I've read here that has asked about a "C" mount for the Red camera. As I'm sure you know, the flange focal depth for this mount is .690" so that does not leave very much room to work with. If there is nothing in the way I would think a custom front end could be fabricated for this use. Also most, (not all) "C" mount lenses were designed to cover the standard 16mm format so I don't know if this is enough area for the format you intend to shoot. I wish I still had a machine shop as I would love to make custom hard fronts for this camera. Of course keeping in line with the beautiful styling of the camera itself.

Chuck

[Cesar Rubio]

Hi Cesar,

Your the first one I've read here that has asked about a "C" mount for the Red camera. As I'm sure you know, the flange focal depth for this mount is .690" so that does not leave very much room to work with. If there is nothing in the way I would think a custom front end could be fabricated for this use. Also most, (not all) "C" mount lenses were designed to cover the standard 16mm format so I don't know if this is enough area for the format you intend to shoot. I wish I still had a machine shop as I would love to make custom hard fronts for this camera. Of course keeping in line with the beautiful styling of the camera itself.

Chuck

Chuck:

C-mount lenses only covers 1" sensors size maximum. The Spike & Red Cameras, having a bigger sensor cannot work with c-mount lenses without "vignetting" the sensor image.

My comment was to see if its possible to implement the IR-Cut filter, just where any of the Spike or Red cameras lens mount ends. This way the dust problem won't affect the sensor or the inside of both cameras.

With Digital SLR cameras, to do this would be a little bit complicated due to the viewfinder flip mirror. But I don't know how difficult would be to implement something like that in JJ cameras.

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.

[Cesar Rubio]

There are some c-mount 1/1.8"' Pentax lenses. But they are very rare.

I don't know if some one makes bigger format c-lenses. For MVC with 1 1/2 sensors, mount adapters for use with 35mm lenses like Canon, Nikon, Minolta etc. (even Pentax) are commonly used.

Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.

[Andrew M.]

Chuck:

C-mount lenses only covers 1" sensors size maximum. The Spike & Red Cameras, having a bigger sensor cannot work with c-mount lenses without "vignetting" the sensor image.



1" is 25.4mm what is the sensor size of Misterium, very close?
1" should get you in to the film window, correct?

[Cesar Rubio]

1" is 25.4mm what is the sensor size of Misterium, very close?
1" should get you in to the film window, correct?

Andrew:

The size of 1" sensor in a 1080p camera (16:9 or 1.77:1 aspect ratio) is 14.3 x 8.0 mm.

That is close to the super 16 size (1.66:1 aspect ratio) 12.52 x 7.41 mm



35mm film projected size at 1.66:1 is 21 x 13 mm.

The size of the Mysterium sensor is super 35, which is 24.4mm x 13.7mm (1.78:1 aspect ratio).

The Mysterium CMOS sensor is almost 3 times bigger than a 1" sensor. (don't take literal the 1" 'one inch' size)


Thanks,
Cesar Rubio.