What is Enabled?

[Ben Feuer]

Hey -

Can we get an update from some of those lucky RED owners on what has shipped/what features are enabled? For example ...

Any updates on REDCine?

What about the EVF? Especially compared to the LCD...

Are we closer to getting audio?

Any news on 2k windowed?

Also, a sticky version of this that is kept up to date would be a welcome addition indeed!

[Emery Wells]

I think whats more important to list is what is *NOT* working.

The biggies are:

No audio

No playback

No simultaneous output

Things on the horizon which you have seen Jim discuss are:

2k windowed up to 80fps
Variable frame rates
Time Lapse
In camera speed ramps

4k 16:9 (right now we only have 4k 2:1)

In camera monitoring such as focus assist, waveforms, and histograms

Quicktime proxies being generated in camera


The above features are in testing and have been discussed by the RED team to appear in the next firmware build.

As for REDCINE, it has not been released in any sort of beta form to all reservation holders.

[number6]

4k 16:9 (right now we only have 4k 2:1)



Anyone know if there will be an option to keep 4k 2:1 if desired? Not sure I would want to, but if it's just a firmware change, why not make it optional?

[Emmanuel Cambier]

4k 2:1 is here to stay, don't worry, Jim even had a mind to make it a future industry standard.

Emmanuel

[David Battistella]

CAMERA SERIAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE SHIPPED
1-50

CAMERA SERIAL NUMBER CURRENT SHIPPING DATES
(subject to change)
Serial numbers 51-100 October 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-200 October 30th (100 units)
Serial numbers 201- 600 November 30th (400 units)
Serial numbers 601- 1100 December 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1101- 1600 January 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1601- 2200 February 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 30th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 30th (700 units)

CURRENT RED ALERT VERSION
(IN BETA or V1.0)
work's only on Intel MAC's

CURRENT REDCINE VERSION
(BETA release is eminent)
work's only on Intel MAC's

CURRENT VERSION OF CAMERA FIRMWARE
(V.0543 or what ever it is)

CURRENT ENABLED FEATURES
23.98 4k recording to CF cards
2K 1-72 fps (Cropped)

FUTURE RELEASE FEATURES (in order of urgency determined by RED)
Multiple frame rates @ 4K recording
4 channel audio
Dual builds

EVF STATUS
Not yet enabled

REDDRIVES
Not enabled or shipping

ACCESORIES
Decided upon when RED contacts you for your order

KNOWN PROBLEMS
see Jim's bugs and tips sticky thread

RECODE IN FINAL CUT STUDIO
not in current version of 6.0

RECODE IN AVID
(working on it)

REDCODE IN PREMIERE
(working on it)

[Ziad Oakes]

Can you download a Beta Version of Red Alert? If so where?

[Shawn Nelson]

As an engineer, I'm a firm believer in no artificial deadlines. I think it would ultimately help people more if that schedule would disappear and have Jim just ship the cameras when they are ready, at whatever pace they can manage with high QC.

[Eryc Tramonn]

Shawn, I really like the way you think. Too bad more people aren't as logical.

[Sam Druckerman]

As an engineer, I'm a firm believer in no artificial deadlines. I think it would ultimately help people more if that schedule would disappear and have Jim just ship the cameras when they are ready, at whatever pace they can manage with high QC.

Shawn, they're not "artificial deadlines", there target dates to help business people plan and prepare for a significant investment in a powerful tool, and are necessary for many reasons.....

One being managing the large amount of cash required for purchase.... for many of us, that takes planning. It's not like we can just charge it to a CC when they call. People don't want to pull 40 or 50K out of there high yield accounts and park that money in there business checking account indefinitely. Most business checking accounts don't pay any interest at all.

And there's all the support equipment and business preparation, etc .....

Target dates are a good thing.

[david farland]

As an engineer, I'm a firm believer in no artificial deadlines.

As a manager responsible for teams of engineers, developers etc, it's my job to hit REAL deadlines, budgets & quality!

Typically, engineers (& developers) have a reduced sense of budget or time except when their pay is short or late! Business knows that and pays people like myself to ensure it comes in on time, budget & at the quality they want. And then there's the thing of managing client/customers expectations...which engineers & developers seem to also have a reduced empathy. The usual thing they do have is a dedication to quality, which is great but in the real world, resources like costs, time & quality are not infinite and therefore needs tempering...and I love it........you have these confines and have to work WITHIN not without these limits. Engineers like customers (us) sometimes don't realise all of this...nothing is limitless and as a development team you have to make time, quality, cost calls all the time.

NO WAY should this thread infer/talk about Red's SDLC process as we're on the outside and can only bring up the boring after the event wisdoms.


Cheers,
Dave

[Rob Lohman]

CURRENT RED ALERT VERSION
(IN BETA or V1.0)
work's only on Intel MAC's
Incorrect. Current version is 1.1b2


CURRENT REDCINE VERSION
(BETA release is eminent)
work's only on Intel MAC's
Incorrect. Current beta version is Windows only, but OS X Intel version should arrive very quickly after it


CURRENT VERSION OF CAMERA FIRMWARE
(V.0543 or what ever it is)
Incorrect, v1.1b3


CURRENT ENABLED FEATURES
23.98 4k recording to CF cards
2K 1-72 fps (Cropped)
Incorrect. 4K enabled is 23.98, 24 & 25 fps. 2K recording (1 - 80 fps) and 4K 1 - 30 fps is in a beta firmware at the moment, as is QuickTime generation, Graeme's magic focus assist (tm) and some other monitoring options


RECODE IN FINAL CUT STUDIO
not in current version of 6.0
Incorrect. Works fine in current version of FCS. It is however not fully integrated and doesn't have all features yet.


RECODE IN AVID
(working on it)
We've never said this


REDCODE IN PREMIERE
(working on it)
We've never said this

[David Battistella]

Rob,

Thanks for all the clarity. This was originally posted out of a suggestion to make this kind of information a sticky because many of the posts ask to answer these specific questions.

I certainly never intended to post incorrect information and I formally asked to have this as a sticky. When I re-posted this I was hoping someone from RED would correct it all and you did. I really appreciate it.

I do not want to piss anyone off and if this information is not useful to anyone but me or if there are reasons this is a bad idea please just PM me or delete the post.

here is an updated list with your corrected information Please let me know if it is alright to post this or if I have broken some protocol.

Thanks,
David

CAMERA SERIAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE SHIPPED
1-50

CAMERA SERIAL NUMBER CURRENT SHIPPING DATES
(subject to change)
Serial numbers 51-100 October 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-200 October 30th (100 units)
Serial numbers 201- 600 November 30th (400 units)
Serial numbers 601- 1100 December 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1101- 1600 January 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 1601- 2200 February 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2201- 2700 March 30th (500 units)
Serial numbers 2701- 3400 April 30th (700 units)
Serial numbers 3401- 4100 May 30th (700 units)

CURRENT RED ALERT VERSION
Current version is 1.1b2

CURRENT REDCINE VERSION
Current beta version is Windows only, but OS X Intel version should arrive very quickly after it


CURRENT VERSION OF CAMERA FIRMWARE
v1.1b3

CURRENT ENABLED FEATURES
4K enabled is 23.98, 24 & 25 fps.
2K recording (1 - 80 fps)
4K 1 - 30 fps is in a beta firmware at the moment, as is QuickTime generation, Graeme's magic focus assist (tm) and some other monitoring options

FUTURE RELEASE FEATURES (in order of urgency determined by RED)
Multiple frame rates @ 4K recording
4 channel audio
Dual builds

EVF STATUS
Not yet enabled

REDDRIVES
Not enabled or shipping

ACCESORIES
Decided upon when RED contacts you for your order

KNOWN PROBLEMS
see Jim's bugs and tips sticky thread

RECODE IN FINAL CUT STUDIO
Works fine in current version of FCS.
It is however not fully integrated and doesn't have all features yet.

RECODE IN AVID
no

REDCODE IN PREMIERE
no

[number6]

battistella, I didn't get the sense that Rob was using a tone of admonishment, but was simply efficiently laying out where things stand. Thanks for triggering this update, as it helps all who are interested.

edit: everytime I see one of these software/firmware type updates, I marvel at what has been done on that side of the RED experience as much as the hardware portion. This is so intriguing to watch unfold.

[David Battistella]

edit: everytime I see one of these software/firmware type updates, I marvel at what has been done on that side of the RED experience as much as the hardware portion. This is so intriguing to watch unfold.

me too.

I am just sensitive to this stuff and I am cautious to be factual and hopefully provide useful information. I think that clear posts like this can reduce some "noise" and give people a place to point to for clarity.

It can help everybody. My camera is in the 700's (my business partners name is on the actual reservation) and I like to keep track of what is going on so that I am up to speed and I can anticipate things.

I am blown away by this team and the distance they have traveled and, in my dorky way, just trying to help.

David

[Rob Lohman]

Yeah, you pissed me off big time.... KIDDING! Everything is cool, just wanted to limit the amount of incorrect information floating about. Sometimes people can get really excited about some information that isn't accurate / correct :)

Just wanted to make sure it was very clear where we are. I read your list as "this is how it is".... maybe you meant to have some question marks in there?

Anyway, everything's cool!

[Mark L. Pederson]

Yeah, you pissed me off big time.... KIDDING! Everything is cool, just wanted to limit the amount of incorrect information floating about. Sometimes people can get really excited about some information that isn't accurate / correct :)

Just wanted to make sure it was very clear where we are. I read your list as "this is how it is".... maybe you meant to have some question marks in there?

Anyway, everything's cool!

This is EXACTLY why Red should make a WEB PAGE on their website that lists all features and SPECS and status (enabled, under development, beta testing, changed, etc.) and keep updating. Estimated ETA would be great as well - and Red could keep changing it as needed.

That would reduce confusion and MIS-INFORMATION - seems like there is a bit of that out there -

[IAN SUN]

This is good. At least now we know exactly where we are on several fronts, today.

[david farland]

Agreed.....!!!

Get a couple of those loafers...jannard, nattress etc...onto a bit of web scripting...they were the buggers that started it all!

[Mark L. Pederson]

This is good. At least now we know exactly where we are on several fronts, today.

and it's only 6:33am in NYC. Maybe later today ... we'll be farther along ...

[Rob Lohman]

<-- mumbles something about time and sleep

[Mark L. Pederson]

<-- mumbles something about time and sleep

RTZ = Red Time Zone.

[David Battistella]

This is EXACTLY why Red should make a WEB PAGE on their website that lists all features and SPECS and status (enabled, under development, beta testing, changed, etc.) and keep updating. Estimated ETA would be great as well - and Red could keep changing it as needed.

That would reduce confusion and MIS-INFORMATION - seems like there is a bit of that out there -


This was the whole point. Rob is right. I should have just included a bunch of question marks because everything in there was a basic guess. The best part is that it is corrected and other people would find this information useful other than me.

David

PS: Hope things went well with the NHL mark.

[Greg Voevodsky]

This is EXACTLY why Red should make a WEB PAGE on their website that lists all features and SPECS and status (enabled, under development, beta testing, changed, etc.) and keep updating. Estimated ETA would be great as well - and Red could keep changing it as needed.

That would reduce confusion and MIS-INFORMATION - seems like there is a bit of that out there -

RED IS GREAT AT MARKETING... but PR and tech updates, RED needs to hire a PRO now - seriously... some of us have recommended this for months... what works, what doesn't, what is being fixed, and what features are coming... now that the product is out, its time to hire the support crew, delay production, do the fixes, and updates, and slowly create what one is planning.

The current fixes - all cameras and lenses need to be culminated (not supported officially) Officially, you do not need it... reality - this search forum hidden in threads - yes you do - RED is working on it with great customer service but not very public (you have to read lots and deep in this forum for pc reasons).

The more honest and public (problem posted / solution working on / solution posted = the faster we reservation holders will be happy... right now... I trust the intregrity of RED and Apple but their public acts or non lack of communication (red without posting the problem / solution forum that we are suggesting) will make me to deffer my order.

There are other RED owner forums without the pc police - go search - to see the normal growing pains... like apple or avid... lets just make it open and honest here... please... i hate having to read other honest forums without the RED fan boys and I am one of them... but now reality is here... lets fix the problems asap... without fan fair. Fan Fair is fine when their are idiots and SOBS who said RED could not be done... now that we are real... lets make it happen.

[david farland]

Got to agree with you there.
The addition of a girl friday to provide a little more detail online.......maybe exploded view of complete cage/mount assemblies with more details of part for ordering & yeah....expected order when features will be enabled would be important. I'm sure Red office staff could come up with their own FAQ's they'll like to put up.

Also be great to have a Reduser supplier forum where we share accessory supplier information, talk about group bulk buys, buying agents for local purchase/international export etc....

Cheers,

[Rob Lohman]

but PR and tech updates, RED needs to hire a PRO now - seriously... some of us have recommended this for months... what works, what doesn't, what is being fixed, and what features are coming...

We've been doing this. However, keep in mind that we haven't stopped development yet. We are still very much in development and we've explained this to the first 50 camera owners. Things will be a bit bumpy while we get everything sorted.

Rest assured, we are hard at work on all of this (and a ton more). In the meantime we're doing our best to keep everyone up to date on this forum.


now that the product is out, its time to hire the support crew, delay production, do the fixes, and updates, and slowly create what one is planning.

That's pretty funny..... because we did hire a support team, we did delay production (just ask camera owners 51 - 100), we have fixed and are fixing things, we've send out at least 3 camera firmware and software updates since the first release, we've started a REDCINE beta projec and we are indeed "slowly" creating what we were planning.... Am I missing anything?

[Rob Lohman]

There are other RED owner forums without the pc police - go search - to see the normal growing pains... like apple or avid... lets just make it open and honest here... please... i hate having to read other honest forums without the RED fan boys and I am one of them... but now reality is here... lets fix the problems asap... without fan fair. Fan Fair is fine when their are idiots and SOBS who said RED could not be done... now that we are real... lets make it happen.

I don't think we've pulled anything here if it's discussed with fighting and calling names, including problems. Heck, Jim started a problems thread himself! How more open do you want us to be?

Jim has given his personal guarantee that problems will be solved asap. It's also normal to talk with the company when problems arise to give them a chance to fix it, before plastering it all over the forums.

Jim has clearly stated on delivery of the first 50 cameras that they were with us as we continue down this path. If you want all features and no bugs then you have the option to delay delivery of your camera until the original promised features are done.

However, the first 50 clearly have chosen to jump in and get started, even if there might be some issues here and there. We're all hard at work at fixing issues, giving you new features and keeping you up to date.

Beyond that I'm not sure what we can do.... (and no, it's not as easy as throwing up a web page, unfortunately)

[roryhinds]

A clear list of the feature enabled schedule would be fantastic plus dates for when accessories will be available too as the RED is so modular.

[Ben Feuer]

Rob -

I don't think it's RED so much as certain users and occasionally mods taking a little too much liberty and stifling topics some of us found useful.

All of those things you mentioned are helpful, and we appreciate them! But I still would like to have an idea of the ETA of some of these other parts in list form, even if it just says "not for a while" or "not yet" or whatever. Just as much information as is already out there.

[roryhinds]

Clear dates would be better than "soon" or "not yet" as its hard to run a business around guess work.

Ball park dates are better.

[Rob Lohman]

Okay, understood. I'll forward your thoughts. Thanks for the feedback!

[ChrisLyon]

Websites are easy, it's Red finding the time to make those updates to the site. Personally, I'd rather them spend time fixing the problems that they would be making a site for instead of updating it every day.

Of course, even if there was a website people would still find something to write about.

[Steve Sherrick]

Here is my take on this. This is a public forum. Lots of things can be said in a very open, unfiltered way and sometimes it makes for really good conversation and we get information directly from Red as well. It's a good place to get together and hang out and talk everything Red. But I think it might not be a bad idea to have an official web page for Red updates as it relates to firmware, changes in design, accessories, availability, etc.

I think this came up at one point before and people were asking for a page for reservation holders. Those of us with reservations would love this, not sure others would be as fond of the idea, but what it would do is keep us all on the same page as far as expectations go. Some of us have been patiently waiting this out for a while now, and the wait is not a problem. We just want to know where things stand, that's all. Just human nature.

Overall, I think Red is doing an amazing job. If I were to guess, they are probably having regular meetings (maybe daily) where they have to provide status reports. They have a lot on their plate and I am sure they are pushing forward with great determination.

I think Jim's Bug sticky was a good start. But I think a more formal page or two that is easy to check in on and see status reports would be useful. Then again, I don't know what Red's web resources are right now. Is there a dedicated web person? Or is someone splitting duty? If there isn't a dedicated person, perhaps this is tougher for them to do.

I'm not losing sleep over this. It would be more out of convenience. The biggest thing for me is a change in delivery schedule. That's the kind of thing that could make me lose sleep if it slips by a lot. But at this point, I do want a camera that works right, so I'll deal with it.

Anyway, I'm rambling. If Red can make a web page or two that keeps us updated in a very clear, well laid out format, that would be cool.

Steve

[Steve Sherrick]

Of course, even if there was a website people would still find something to write about.

Probably true.

[John V]

I gotta say that the fact that RED and Jim are so open with most things is a great way to run a company. We as consumers must also know that all software and hardware work takes time. The fact thast RED has shipped cameras in the amount of time that they have is great. Heck RED owners even get regular firmware updates ala Apple.

[pablokorona]

so is there a definitive "features enabled" list?