9 More 4k DPX files... did i mention it's a Ford Model?

[Emery Wells]

Have at it boys:

http://www.projectred.net

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http://www.projectred.net/forums/viewtopic?id=37

[Andrew Benz]

Thank you for the pics. Looked like fun.

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Cool stills and a nice girl. :love:.

[Mike Prevette]

What kind of backpack is that?

[sbroock]

What kind of backpack is that?

Just a regular old backpack that happened to be in the shot. We used it to carry the batteries and misc equipment along with us.

Sometime a bag is just a bag. :)

[Noah Kadner]

Was this all available light?

[sbroock]

Was this all available light?

All the available light that the sun could throw at us.

It was BRIGHT day.

[Michael Schrengohst]

When you say "re-shimmed" what was wrong with the mount?
Do you think all RED's will have to be adjusted????

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I believe projectred is a great idea and a great looking site. I will try to contribute too when my camera arrives.

While checking the cp_cate_04.dpx i found something that slightly disappointed me. I tried to "play" with the footage in Fusion in 32bit-float mode but soon realized that i couldn't restore any of the highlights or any of the extra dynamic range.

Although Emery says that it is a low contrast 4K DPX file it behaved as if it was a 8bit TGA and the highlights are clipped in a not so beautiful way.

In this pic i compressed slightly the highlights to make it a little more apparent of how they clip:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/534_1191837250.jpg

I see that the way the sun lights the scene, makes it by default very contrasty but i was expecting RED to handle it better.

Could it be that it is an issue with the DPX export?

Miltos

[Emmanuel Cambier]

yeah I noticed the same thing.
Maybe Emery could chek it again in RedAlert, as I'm sure there is a way to fix that prior to export.

Emmanuel

[Damien Molineaux]

I believe projectred is a great idea and a great looking site. I will try to contribute too when my camera arrives.

While checking the cp_cate_04.dpx i found something that slightly disappointed me. I tried to "play" with the footage in Fusion in 32bit-float mode but soon realized that i couldn't restore any of the highlights or any of the extra dynamic range.

Although Emery says that it is a low contrast 4K DPX file it behaved as if it was a 8bit TGA and the highlights are clipped in a not so beautiful way.

In this pic i compressed slightly the highlights to make it a little more apparent of how they clip:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/534_1191837250.jpg

I see that the way the sun lights the seen, makes it is by default very contrasty but i was expecting RED to handle it better.

Could it be that it is an issue with the DPX export?

Miltos


This may be due to the fact they were shooting at 1pm in daylight with no ND. They were probably stopped down all the way and couldn't expose less. The no ND info comes from the projectred website. Which underlines the inportance of having ND filters when shooting with a Red One, this is like shooting with 500 ASA film !!!

Cheers,
Damien

[sbroock]

This may be due to the fact they were shooting at 1pm in daylight with no ND. They were probably stopped down all the way and couldn't expose less. The no ND info comes from the projectred website. Which underlines the inportance of having ND filters when shooting with a Red One, this is like shooting with 500 ASA film !!!

Cheers,
Damien

This is absolutely correct. That was a huge takeaway from the day -- you really must have NDs and a matte box on a day like Saturday. The frames are posted with these flaws too illustrate different conditions and the things you should be be prepared for.

The frames we posted of the bridge, pond, and kids on the rock were shot on the following day, Sunday when there was significantly more cloud cover which helped beat the strong contrast between foreground and sky.

[Justin Anderson]

This is absolutely correct. That was a huge takeaway from the day -- you really must have NDs and a matte box on a day like Saturday. The frames are posted with these flaws too illustrate different conditions and the things you should be be prepared for.

The frames we posted of the bridge, pond, and kids on the rock were shot on the following day, Sunday when there was significantly more cloud cover which helped beat the strong contrast between foreground and sky.

still though, that's clipping quite hard. can you check redalert again?

[sbroock]

still though, that's clipping quite hard. can you check redalert again?

Emery has this particular file -- I'm sure he'll be on shortly to answer more directly, but there was plenty of user "learning curve" during our tests.

The camera works beautifully -- we were running and gunning and likely clipped many a shot even at T22 because of the lack of filters and a blazing sun.

Both our cameras may be locked up fairly shortly, but if there are some crack DPs that want to get together in NYC, let's all talk about a Central Park controlled test.

[Laco Zamba]

What shutter speed was used?

[Emery Wells]

still though, that's clipping quite hard. can you check redalert again?

Yea it is clipping beyond what can be recovered from the RAW file. I could pull it in a little but would not be able to save everything. I have another frame where I increased the shutter to 1/60th which gave me a lil extra room to play with the iris. I dont have access to it at the moment but I will post it later tonight. You'd need ND with just about any camera on a bright exterior with high contrast, RED is no different. I think it handled pretty well all considering. Imagine if we had a nice big silk, NDs, and some fill light... it would look incredible.

[Hrvoje Simic]

There you go, Emery. Thank you for sharing.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Imagine if we had a nice big silk, NDs, and some fill light... it would look incredible.

I hate to say it but it looks as if film has the edge here. Even without NDs, silks, and fill light you could never clip the highlights in that way. They might burn eventualy but with a much smoother curve than what we see in that frame.

I am waiting your new Red Alert export for a final verdict. It might not be so bad after all. :-)

And just to end this on a positive way.. the other frames are fantastic!!

[filip kovcin]

i just downloaded comparative lens test TIFF files (48MB each) and noticed similar bending as you guys on these photos from park. go there - www.projectred.net and scroll down to - 27th september - Tests, problems, and gripes... and check for yourself. i beleive that during interior test there is no need for mentioned ND filters etc :)

here is enlargment of one of the presented test boards. unfortunatelly cannot upload tiff, but here is jpg (set to best quality) so, at least you can check how it looks before you make your own judgment.
i know that all of you know that, but just in case - please remeber that jpg adds another level of artefacts, so it looks really bad, but it is just an illustration so you can go to projectred site and check tiffs.

and if you have LCD monitor, try to move your head up-down-left-right you can see those atrefacts on tiff files maybe better... i beleive this is connected with converting original files to tiffs?
maybe someone can answer this, who is more oriented. or even expert.

thank you,

filip

[Emery Wells]

There you go, Emery. Thank you for sharing.

Looks killer Omen! I really like the 2nd look. Has a cool editorial vibe.

[Emery Wells]

I hate to say it but it looks as if film has the edge here. Even without NDs, silks, and fill light you could never clip the highlights in that way. They might burn eventualy but with a much smoother curve than what we see in that frame.

I am waiting your new Red Alert export for a final verdict. It might not be so bad after all. :-)

And just to end this on a positive way.. the other frames are fantastic!!

Film always had the edge here. The dynamic range of red is somewhere around 11 stops, which is not going to beat film any time soon.

However, I updated the article to include some additional exports from RedAlert!. Take a look (http://www.projectred.net/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=89#p89)

[Álex Montoya]

There's a filter (from Tiffen?) that lowers the highlights and heightens the shadows, I think. Anyone can confirm?

Couldn't that be used to compress a little more real latitude in the Red RAW image?

[Emery Wells]

Also guys, i wouldn't focus on that one clip, its not how you would light anything on a film set. Play with some of the images that were not so harshly lit and youll see there is a lot of room to play.

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I updated the article to include some additional exports from RedAlert!. Take a look (http://www.projectred.net/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=89#p89)

Ah! that's much better! So, it WAS a RED Alert thingy after all! :)

[Miltos Pilalitos]

I tried to do a fast grade again to see how the new .jpg behaved and i found out that the highlights were not even cliped!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/534_1191887129.jpg

It's so easy to become a RED fanboy!:wink:

[KnightRule]

Great Pics!!! Here's my version, just simple level & curve.

1429

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[Emery Wells]

I tried to do a fast grade again to see how the new .jpg behaved and i found out that the highlights were not even cliped!

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/534_1191887129.jpg

It's so easy to become a RED fanboy!:wink:

You see, all is right in the world again. :)

[dvpixl]

I'm not worried about that clipping business. I'm sure it was a hot day and RED beats any other digi-cams out there.

[Mr. Paul White]

Can you post a 720p or a 1k version of the footage? Thank you.

[Gordon Prince]

Yep. It would be fine.

[Emery Wells]

Ill post some clips later tonight.

[Álex Montoya]

My "film-like"-nice-roll-off take:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1434_1191956626.jpg

I gets more and more clear that all the odd looking blown highlights that we've seen in many footage has more to do with poor RAW developing than anything.

[SalaTar]

Had a shot at a few,,,
http://www.salatar.com/question.jpg
http://www.salatar.com/question2.jpg

[flmguy]

how do i watch the dpx files

[Emery Wells]

how do i watch the dpx files

Open them in Photoshop.

I didnt have time to transcode and upload any movie files but I will sometime this weekend at the latest. Life gets busy when you have a RED camera! :)

However, I have a feeling that what Im going to show next week will be a wee bit more interesting :matrix:

[Emery Wells]

My "film-like"-nice-roll-off take:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1434_1191956626.jpg

I gets more and more clear that all the odd looking blown highlights that we've seen in many footage has more to do with poor RAW developing than anything.

Like your film look concrete. The hot spot on the arm still bugs me but I dig look overall.

[Hrvoje Simic]

Looks killer Omen! I really like the 2nd look. Has a cool editorial vibe.

Thanks Emery. :matrix: Me like you liking it.