NEW 1024x768 HD Monitor [Archive]

siniarch

10-08-2007, 04:59 PM

New Site up. www.lsdsgn.com (http://www.lsdsgn.com)
or you can read this thread. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093)
Hi guys. I've been on DVXuser for a little bit now, and I have been posting about this project of mine. Someone at DVXuser suggested that I post this here also. I just don't know why it never occured to me. But here it is.

Ok Guys,

So after 9-12 months of trying to put this thing together and being ignored, stalled, and manhandled by the LCD industry, I'm finally proud to mention that I've pretty much finished my LCD. (really wished I would have been able to get this thing out sooner)

Here are the specs.

LCD Panel:

Features:
High resolution
Ultra-wide viewing angle
High contrast
Wide color gamut
LVDS interface

General Specifications:

Display area........................170.5mm (6.69") W x 127.9mm (5.06")
Diagonal Size .....................213mm (8.4")
Display Color.......................16,777,213 colors
Pixels..................................1024 (h) x 786 (v)
Contrast ratio......................500:1 (typ.)
Viewing Angle......................Horizontal 85°R, 85°L. Vertical 85°T, 85°D.
Polarizer Surface.............Antiglare
Luminance.....................350 cd/m²
(this is the panel with the regular inverter. I have a more powerful inverter, but no way of testing the actual brightness. Its definitely higher than 350 though)
Backlight........................Edge light type: 4 cold cathode fluo.
Controller Board:
Power....................................12v
Video Inputs..........................ARGB, DVI-D, Composite Video, S-Video, HD-Component (YPbPr), HD-SDI (optional w/1 or 2 channels)

HD-COMPONENT PORT :
Mode Resolution

480p/60 720x483
576p/50 720x576
720p/60 1280x720
720p/23.89 1280x720
720p/24 1280x720
720p/25 1280x720
720p/29.97 1280x720
720p/30 1280x720
1035i/30 1920x1035
1080i/50 1920x1080
1080i/50 1920x1080
1080i/29 1920x1080
1080i/30 1920x1080
1080p/25 1920x1080
1080p/30 1920x1080

COMPOSITE, S-VIDEO
System Resolution

NTSC 720x480
NTSC 4.43 720x480
PAL 720x576
PAL M 720x576
SECAM 720x576

Picture in Picture
Flip Horizontal, Flip Vertical, Rotate
Picture: Brightness, Contrast, Saturation, Hue, Sharpness
Aspect Size: 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, 2.35:1, 2:1, 1:1
Custom sizing: Under-scan, Normal, Custom (you kind of can zoom in on w/ this setting)
Blue Only (not sure if you can calibrate with this option, but its in the menu)
Auto Picture, Auto Color (I set my bars from the camera and this calibrate the monitor pretty well. Really like this feature)
Gama: 1.0/1.6/2.2

OSD: position and time to remain on screen, transparency (for menu)
Color temperatures: 5000k, 6500k, 8000k, 9300k, User
Monochrome Mode: color, red mono, green mono, blue mono.

Physical Box: (revision: almost forgot to post this)
size ......................8.5" wide x 6.625" tall x 2.5" deep
weight...................3.2 lbs with the (1) HD-SDI option
The good thing about this is the image. Its really superb. The next best thing is the Angle of viewing. I really haven't seen anything with that much angle of view. Which is good for when more than one person are relying on the LCD.

Here are the first pictures. Please comment and ask questions if you would like.
Note the RGB connectors on top will be BNC and not RCA as those shown. I will fix this. I also need to add stickers to label things or possible do silk screened white letters.

Thank you.

Luis Sinibaldi

PaulClements

10-08-2007, 05:09 PM

Hi Luis,

Looks good. I presume you intend to market and sell it yes? If so how much?

Paul

PaulClements

10-08-2007, 05:15 PM

Also, I presume you were unable to source a screen with 1280pixels width? Viewing true 16:9 720p would've been a major bonus. We'd be looking at 16:9 600p on this size screen, just as with Red's LCD, would we not?

siniarch

10-08-2007, 05:21 PM

Hi Paul,
Yes, I will be selling them. I'm just figuring out the battery solutions.
I'm curious, what battery are most RedUsers most interested in?

As for price, the introductory prices will be as follow.
$1250 for the RGB component only version.
$1550 for the (1) HD-SDI in/out version,
and
$1675 for the (2) HD-SDI in/out version.

As for the screen I haven't counted the exact pixels, but you are right. it should be around 600p. Unfortunately, at this size that is all that is availbable on the market. (there might be other non-for sale solutions but I'm not aware of them) This is the same size screen as the Panasonic $4,890.00 one.
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=68537&surfModel=BT-LH900A

PaulClements

10-08-2007, 05:30 PM

Hi Luis,

Sounds like a good price.

Most Red Users would want to input using DVI I believe. This is the connection that is used with the LCD for a 1024 x 576 image. The HD-SDI's output at 720p to 1080p so the monitor would be down rezzing the image. Unless something has changed since production models went out I believe this to be true.

EDIT: Just checked FAQ: This 17-pin LEMO connects to the 720p RED LCD. It carries a 720p DVI-based signal, power and interface controls.

Might I suggest getting hold of a local Red Owner and allowing them to test it for a day and give us all some feedback. Also I'm sure the folks who'll be doing the LA Red Test (LART) would be happy to test it out for you and give it a thorough workout. There is no date for it as yet though.

Looks good. Thanks for posting it here.

Paul

PaulClements

10-08-2007, 05:32 PM

Oh and for batteries the RedOne Bricks are 140Wh. If you can add in a Lemo connector people could run it directly from the camera.

Paul

siniarch

10-08-2007, 05:52 PM

Thanks for the info Paul.

If you know of anyone doing the test in LA, I'd be happy to get my monitor to it to have them take a look.

As for the Lemo connector, do you have any specs. Lemo makes tons of connectors.

And for batteries, you said 140wh, but how many volts of output and how many amps?

Thanks.
(guess I should download the manual for the red)

Chris Kenny

10-08-2007, 10:44 PM

Thanks for the info Paul.
As for the Lemo connector, do you have any specs. Lemo makes tons of connectors.

And for batteries, you said 140wh, but how many volts of output and how many amps?)

According to the FAQ (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1487), there are two auxiliary 12V connectors on the camera. That's probably the way to go. The FAQ says:

They are 0B shell size 4-pin LEMO connectors [FGG.0B.304.CLAD52]. They can be combined to supply 24v if your desired accessory requires it. Pin-outs consist of 12v battery loop-through [to 1A], 12v battery loop-through [to 1A], GPI, GPO.

Emanuel A.

10-08-2007, 10:55 PM

Luis,

Be welcome to our community. This is really good news!

Luis is also a talented moviemaker. Here's his Heinz contest entries -- I hope he doesn't mind that I may come here disclosing his other half... :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDlIrFzpTTI
(just one of the most pop ones)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSUNChZdqbI

siniarch

10-08-2007, 11:28 PM

Thanks Chris, I'll look for these connectors. I'm making a bracket on the back of the monitor that will allow it to have swapable battery options.

Thanks Emanuel. I don't mind at all.

Roberto B

10-08-2007, 11:35 PM

Luis is also a talented moviemaker. Here's his Heinz contest entries -- I hope he doesn't mind that I may come here disclosing his other half... :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDlIrFzpTTI
(just one of the most pop ones)fun.. much fun.. at last, a filmmaker in these pages..

Gordon Prince

10-09-2007, 12:12 AM

Ditto.

Simon Smith

10-09-2007, 03:45 AM

Amen. Great movie, great post. Thank you pal.

siniarch

10-10-2007, 10:23 AM

thanks for your kind words.

As for the monitor, I'm still hoping there is someone in LA with a RED camera willing to let me come over and try my monitor on it? Any takers?

Thank you,
Luis

Michael Hastings

10-10-2007, 10:32 AM

Hi Luis,

EDIT: Just checked FAQ: This 17-pin LEMO connects to the 720p RED LCD. It carries a 720p DVI-based signal, power and interface controls.
Paul

Paul:

Isn't is a 16pin (I counted eleven around five), you're making me worried because I ordered some 16 pin.
Mike

Mark Mannschreck

10-10-2007, 12:52 PM

thanks for your kind words.

As for the monitor, I'm still hoping there is someone in LA with a RED camera willing to let me come over and try my monitor on it? Any takers?

Thank you,
Luis

sent PM

PaulClements

10-10-2007, 01:41 PM

Paul:

Isn't is a 16pin (I counted eleven around five), you're making me worried because I ordered some 16 pin.
Mike

I just quoted Brook's FAQ.

Paul

Simon Smith

10-10-2007, 11:40 PM

Can we have de-anamorphized monitoring from a 2:1 anamorphics lens?

Simon Smith

10-11-2007, 07:25 AM

Can we have de-anamorphized monitoring from a 2:1 anamorphics lens?Here is an open thread on subject:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=96746#post96746

siniarch

10-11-2007, 09:50 AM

Mr. Orange,
if you look at the aspec ratios you'll find:
Aspect Size: 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, 2.35:1, 2:1, 1:1
When I have my HVX and I change the ratio to 2.35:1 (I think also for 2:1) the picture gets squished down and seemes stretched. So if you have Anamorphized footage coming out of the camera, and set the monitor to that aspect ratio, I would think it gets de-anamorphized. No way to really tell unless I got someone in LA with anamorphized footage. (I like to test things out before I can give a definite YES)

siniarch

10-23-2007, 07:47 AM

Tested with the RED

wow, I thought I posted this already, but for some reason its not there.

So I wanted to thank Manny for taking the time to test my monitor with his RED One.

We tested from the HD-SDI and also from the HDMI.

The HD-SDI did not show the menu items below the image. (and we didn't get a chance to test the HD-SDI out port)

The HDMI went into the monitor as DVI by way of a HDMI to DVI cable. And it did show the menus and items. (it was missing some things but showed almost everything.)

I have to say I'm very happy with it. Manny, your thoughts on it would be welcomed as well.

Thank you,

Luis

siniarch

11-03-2007, 02:16 PM

Hey Guys, just to give you an update. thought you might be interested in this.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093)

Joel Kaye

11-03-2007, 09:14 PM

Hey Guys, just to give you an update. thought you might be interested in this.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093)

I see 3 different models on your website. What are the differences?

Mark Mannschreck

11-03-2007, 09:15 PM

Hey Luis!

Sorry it took me so long to post!!!

Luis' monitor looked sweet - the biggest selling point for me was the angle of view! You could look at this thing from WAY off axis and it's still viewable. The build is robust and looks somewhat like a Marshall. I wouldn't freak out if I dropped it.

Hey Luis did you incorporate the masking idea you were telling me about?

siniarch

11-04-2007, 12:03 AM

hey Joelnet,

The difference between the 3 models are this.
1st model has no HD-SDI
2nd model has 1 HD-SDI in and 1 HD-SDI out
3rd model has 2 HD-SDI in and 2 HD-SDI out
all the other inputs are still available in all 3 models. Some monitors you have to choose either HD-SDI or Component RGB or DVI (which works with HDMI also) but with this one, you always get all the inputs.

Mark,

I did incorporate the idea about the marking. I still didn't make the notches to hold the rubber bands, but I'm still contemplating that. What I did do is have the marks Silk Screened on the front so you can put some tape.
I'll post pictures tomorrow. if you think the rubber band idea will really catch, I can still implement it.

Thanks for your support.

Anyone else in LA with a RED, and maybe even a Marshall, I'd be happy to bring my monitor and let you guys compare them both.

filip kovcin

11-04-2007, 05:13 AM

...

Luis' monitor looked sweet - the biggest selling point for me was the angle of view! You could look at this thing from WAY off axis and it's still viewable...

Manny, can you tell us in more practical terms how monitor behaves with red? i.e. resolution, color reproduction, ease of focusing when lloking at etc.

i am seriously thinking of buying this monitor btw.

thank you,

filip

siniarch

11-05-2007, 09:51 AM

New Pictures!!!
http://www.siniarchproductions.com/lsdsgn/carrion-photos-b.htm

note: the pictures are of the TCHD-1b with 1 HD-SDI IN/OUT. And also the buttons will be different. It will have more. See the full specs on my site for more info.

Nils J. Nesse

11-05-2007, 10:29 AM

That looks very good. Is there a reason you didn't make it widescreen?

siniarch

11-05-2007, 05:07 PM

Hi Nils,
Yes, the reason is because the LCD manufacturer did not make a 1024 pixel wide screen under 10" that was wide screen. basically its the only one that I'm aware of. So my guess, its the same screen as the Panasonic $4890. monitor. But you get it for much less. (of course it doesn't have the red focus assist, or the waveform monitor.)

Mark Mannschreck

11-05-2007, 10:37 PM

Manny, can you tell us in more practical terms how monitor behaves with red? i.e. resolution, color reproduction, ease of focusing when lloking at etc.

i am seriously thinking of buying this monitor btw.

thank you,

filip

Didn't have alot of time to really check res, color, etc... The monitor looked very similar to the red lcd in those terms... but larger, better off axis viewing, and a ton of inputs. Focusing is easier because of the size and off axis viewing - but it is larger and heavier in terms of toting around. I am used to carrying heavy field crt's around, though. This is a good balance between the smaller red lcd and something like the panny 1700. We were able to mount on the red arm - but it may be a little heavy for that . It would be cool for me as I also have the HVX.

filip kovcin

11-06-2007, 12:07 AM

Manny,

thank you for info! it looks that this monitor will be real hit soon. did you have time to check how monitor works in bright lights or outside in the sunlight?

thank you,

filip

RED,BLUE&GREEN

11-06-2007, 12:15 AM

---Also Marshall is making ...soon to be out...( about a month) a Sun bright monitor....full 1080.......6.5, or 8.4 inch.....great in the sun as well as the shade! Hdsdi in and will except 720p as well as hd.

LCDRACKS.com

siniarch

11-06-2007, 12:15 AM

Hey Guys,
Thank you for your support. And Thank you Manny for the time you took to check out the monitor that day. If anyone else in the LA area with a red wants to check out my monitor, please send me a PM and we'll arrange a meeting.
Also for those who didn't see the pictures in my site here they are. Again, the buttons will be different. (better) but the rest should be pretty about the same.

RED,BLUE&GREEN

11-06-2007, 12:19 AM

By the way ..Your monitor looks great.... any plans for it to be day bright? easy to see in direct sun??? I rent small ( 7 to 8 inch) monitors all the time. Looking for a great one for Steadicam.

siniarch

11-06-2007, 12:25 AM

well, you can ask Manny, we tested it under direct sunlight and its readable just fine. we placed the monitor perpendicular to the ground, the sun hit the screen directly and we could see it just fine. if you tilt the monitor down, so that the sun light gets reflected directly to your eyes, then you can't see it. But who in their right mind would do that, I don't know.

Its kind of weird, I can talk til I'm blue in the face about how good this monitor is, but it won't make a difference unless you see it, or someone who you trust sees it. If you are in LA, I'd be happy to show it to you.

I will also have a hood option in the near future.

And if you have read the threads, the monitor has an anti-glare filter, and the the inverter that drives the LCD bulbs, can actually over power them to make it brighter when needed. (most of the time you will not need it. though)

wshultz

11-06-2007, 08:54 AM

Siniarch, excuse me for asking, but why the name "carrion"? Doesn't that evoke something unpleasant?

Joel Kaye

11-06-2007, 11:03 AM

Siniarch, excuse me for asking, but why the name "carrion"? Doesn't that evoke something unpleasant?

Carrion refers to the carcass of a dead animal.

"Carrion is an important food source for:

large carnivores and omnivores in most ecosystems. Examples of carrion eaters, or scavengers, include hyenas, vultures, Tasmanian Devils, Bald Eagles, and Blue-tongued lizards and movie producers.

wshultz

11-06-2007, 11:30 AM

It's nice to know there's a place in the ecosystem for movie producers right next to the blue-tongued lizards.

siniarch

11-06-2007, 02:43 PM

I knew that there would be an issue with the name, but I figured so what.
I like the name. Its almost like Carry On, which is what this monitor would be. a monitor that you carry on with your camera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrion_Crow
http://www.birdguides.com/html/vidlib/species/Corvus_corone.htm
http://www.arkive.org/species/ARK/birds/Corvus_corone/
This is more of what I had in mind.

Mark Mannschreck

11-06-2007, 10:09 PM

Manny,

thank you for info! it looks that this monitor will be real hit soon. did you have time to check how monitor works in bright lights or outside in the sunlight?

thank you,

filip

No problem - the monitor was very good in sunlight! Sorry forgot to mention that...

Simon Smith

11-22-2007, 02:48 AM

Can we have de-anamorphized monitoring from a 2:1 anamorphics lens?

Mr. Orange,
if you look at the aspec ratios you'll find:
Aspect Size: 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, 2.35:1, 2:1, 1:1
When I have my HVX and I change the ratio to 2.35:1 (I think also for 2:1) the picture gets squished down and seemes stretched. So if you have Anamorphized footage coming out of the camera, and set the monitor to that aspect ratio, I would think it gets de-anamorphized. No way to really tell unless I got someone in LA with anamorphized footage. (I like to test things out before I can give a definite YES)

Any update from your tests on subject?

Thanks.

siniarch

11-22-2007, 09:34 AM

Hey Mr. Orange,

Still haven't tested with anamorphized footage, I need someone in LA that has a camera with that output and I would be happy to test it. Also I'm going to show my products at an HVX meeting on:

December 15th 12pm-4pm at 3720 Wrightwood Dr., Studio City, CA 91604.

Please contact DVXuser "DC" or post on the thread to let him know how many people are coming. Hope to see you there.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=115437

siniarch

11-28-2007, 08:19 AM

Hey guys,
Just an update. Tested the Monitor with 2 HVXbatteries (panasonic) and I got 5hrs 20mins running time. Thought you might want to know, for those who also own the HVX and batteries for it. :)

siniarch

12-04-2007, 06:57 PM

hey,
My monitor will be at the Redrock booth tomorrow 12/5 and 12/6 at DV Expo in Burbank California. It should be the prototype and if everything goes right I might even have the production model with the new custom buttons.
Please go take a look and see how bright, sharp it is and its great viewing angle.
I should also be there in case people want to meet, just PM me.

Emmanuel Cambier

12-24-2007, 04:05 PM

Hello siniarch

How is it going with your monitor wich looks very promising?

Any new feed back, somebody?
I'll be looking for something similar pretty soon.

Emmanuel

siniarch

12-24-2007, 05:40 PM

Hi Emanuel,
Thanks for asking. The monitor is going well. I'm sorry I haven't posted about it here. I usually post on DVXuser. You can follow the post at:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=111093&page=5

Just to recap, DV expo went well, I have a few distributors (rental houses in LA) interested in becoming re-sellers, but I'm not sure if I'll go that route.

I also showed it a the HVXuser meeting on dec. 15th in Los Angeles, and again people loved it. :)

I'm getting it mentioned in an article by Ned Soltz of DV magazine in February. He also loved it.

And this Past Wed. Dec. 19th I was at the Mole Richardson Studios doing a short film with the RedRock M2 and the New Sony EX1 camera. Apparently, sony and RR want to show this at Sundance. You can read about that and see pictures of the set at the DVXuser thread above.

So far so good. I'm still selling it at introductory prices, but that will soon change. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Thanks and Happy Holidays!!!!

Luis

Roberto B

12-27-2007, 09:36 PM

I also showed it a the HVXuser meeting on dec. 15th in Los Angeles, and again people loved it. :)

will you have more meetings soon?..

Wes Printz

12-27-2007, 10:35 PM

What is the current consumption of the monitor? If planning on powering the unit from the RED AUX pwr, this port can only supply 1.5A through a current limiter. You would not want to run much more than 1A to be on the safe side of the CL still runing cool and not shutting down.

The DC in is it a 2.1 or 2.5 mm? This is an excellent feature packed monitor. Only curious as to the placement of the connectors across the top as opposed to rear mounting. Would this not cause undue stress and possible premature cable failure from a tighter bend radius? Also raises the profile of the monitor.

siniarch

12-28-2007, 01:22 AM

Jim,

Yes, we should have another meeting early spring. :) If you like, send me a PM with your info and I'll be sure to keep you updated.

Pana-tech,

I have to run some test on this. As far as I know I've had it powered by a 1A 12volt power source just fine, but then I bought some AC Adapters that were rated 1A at 12 volts and they didn't work. for some reason I think they were .8A rather than the advertised 1A?

Also the DC in is 5.5 od and 2.5 id.

The placement of the connectors is on top because of the format of the components. It wasn't feasible to do it on the back of the unit. While this does increase the profile with the cables, also note that the unit has an image flip function in the menu. if its a big issue for someone, they can just mount it upside down and flip the image in the menus. I also found it better on the top because I can see where I'm mounting the cables to. As far as premature cable failure, it is an issue that is difficult for me to test. I can only assume that if the cable is quality built then it should be ok.

siniarch

02-05-2008, 03:51 PM

I just posted this update in DVXuser, but I thought I'd update you guys here.
Also I did a shoot with a red a week ago and we used my monitor both with hd-sdi and with HDMI. worked out great I'll get some photos up when I'm allowed. :)
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Hey Guys,
I know this thread has been a little slow lately. Just trying to deliver on the initial orders and fight it out with the mnf.

So here is the update:
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I've started to get emails back from the first batch of users letting me know how much they like their CARRION. this makes me happy.
Some have put it side to side with other competitors and they can clearly see the difference in

brightness
color rendition
angle of view and
Resolution----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On another note, if you haven't noticed, the introductory price is no longer available.
Sorry, but in order to stay in business so that I can support my customers and future customers, I do have to make a little bit of money. In order to soften the blow on the increase in price, I'm providing the following upgrade to those who buy at regular price:

New Anti-Reflective Coating which will:
Make the screen slightly brighter at 400nits
Make the screen better under Sunny conditions
and in my opinion Sharper.
Don't get me wrong, the screen is amazing without this new coating but I thought it would be a nice addition for those taking the plunge at the new price.

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And for those who adopted early, I will be providing an upgrade to this new coating if you desire for a price of course. But much less than the difference between the introductory price and the regular price. If you are interested, please e-mail me. (I will be sending an email soon to you guys to let you know about the offer)
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I will also be making the remote control unit available on the web site. At first I thought it was not a good add-on, but after having to flip through the menus and adjust many different units. I've found that the remote control really speeds up setup and going through the menus. And you don't have to be that close to the monitor to set it up.
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Thank you again for all those who have contributed to this project, with thoughts and ideas and even good wishes.
And THANK YOU SO MUCH to those that have order a unit. I hope that it is helping you produce the best independent film projects you can produce.

siniarch

02-06-2008, 11:36 PM

Ok. here is one of the photos. This is my Prototype unit so it doesn't have the battery plate capabilities, hence the Velcro. Also it has the old buttons.

What I do is just Velcro the battery plate to it. for this shoot we wanted more weight in the back since it was all handheld so we used the tekkeon battery you see there. I will also be providing a power tap cable that will go from a red battery plate to my monitor. So the Red Bricks will power both camera and monitor.

Also, first day we had the hd-sdi from the camera to my monitor and then to a video village. Second day we did without the video village because the director thought it was fine to just look through my monitor and the connection of the hd-sdi on the camera was intermittent. So here you see it with the HDMI to DVI cable. Works like a charm.

Man what a pleasure and honor to be working with this camera. I'm so jealous of all you guys with one. :D

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

siniarch

02-27-2008, 10:31 AM

Emmanuel Cambier

02-27-2008, 10:54 AM

This is great news :)

Finner

02-27-2008, 11:25 AM

Hey Guys,
I just tested last night with #81 and YES, the monitor displays the HDMI out with all the menus and you can even see the zebra. Wohoooo!!!

Big Thanks to Sam Druckerman. (great guy and I would really recommend renting from him.)

Does anyone know if you can buy any of the small LCD on camera monitors (6" to 8") consumer style with a HDMI input on it? I assume alot of them would be 12volt as well. As the HDSDI models are just so expensive for a AC monitor.

siniarch

02-27-2008, 12:01 PM

Not sure Finner,

but also be aware that many of the consumer monitor do not have high definition screens (edit: by high definition I don't mean pixel by pixel. I'm saying most will have 640x480 resolution, the more expensive ones will have 800x480, but I'm not aware of any consumer monitor with 1024x768 like mine. I believe there are only 2-3 companies providing this resolution at this size and they are usually prized between 4k-5k per monitor) hence they are priced cheaper. Also as Barry Green stated on another post,
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8866 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8866)

the Red can output both 1280x720 (standard 720p definition) and 1280x848 (non-standard 720p def). the latter has more vertical pixels that allow you to view the menu items.

Some Monitors cannot handle the Non-Standard input and I'm guessing consumer monitors could not handle it. But you would have to test them individualy before making that decision.

That's why I posted that my monitor "the CARRION" CAN handle the 1280x848 input. and you can see all the menu items and such. this is great news because now you only need one monitor. :)

Dominic Jones

02-27-2008, 03:55 PM

Hi siniarch,

Asked this somewhere else, but figure it's probably best from the horses mouth!...

What is the situation with the HS-SDI versions of the Carrion and 1280x848? I'm guessing the HD-SDI stream can only give you 1280x720, but does the HD-SDI model also have the HDMI port, and if so presumably they're switchable? I'm envisaging running both HD-SDI and HDMI to the Carrion, and being able to switch between overlays and a clean signal.

Also, what about HD-SDI pass-through - will this still happen if I'm in HDMI mode, so that I can loop out signals for video village and still see menus on the camera LCD?

Before you ask, the main reason I'm interested in the HD-SDI part of the equation is that experience tells me that consumer connections like HDMI aren't very robust, and cables tend to fall out and generally be annoying, so for monitoring during takes I'd like to be cabled in via BNCs, but I'd still like to be able to use a single monitor and get menu views...

siniarch

02-27-2008, 04:06 PM

Hi Dominic,

the HD-SDI output of the Red, I don't believe is able to output 1280x848 so the menus are not visible. :(

All the models of "the Carrion" have HDMI (its really DVI input but a simple cable $50 will go from HDMI to DVI same signal) That is one of the great things about this monitor. All the inputs are there. You don't have to choose between HD-SDI or Component RGB. you get both. :)

I don't believe you get pass through from HDMI to HD-SDI. (this I believe is true with most all monitors. In order for the pass through to work, you have to feed it that input)

what you could do is have both cables connected HDMI and HD-SDI out of your Red to the Carrion. then switch to HDMI to change the menu (video village would loose signal) then switch back to HD-SDI (video village gains signal)

With no Video Village, I think you will be hard press to find the difference between the HDMI and the HD-SDI outputs. Also if I'm not mistaken last time I checked the RED does not output zebras on HD-SDI, unless they changed that with a new bios?

Its been my experience that the HDMI has been very stable both on my monitor and on the RED so I wouldn't worry about that. But either way you have both options. :)

Dominic Jones

02-27-2008, 04:23 PM

Top stuff, cheers mate - I was originally planning on getting a Carrion B, then thought I might have to opt for the Red LCD simply for menus etc, so you just made yourself a sale (or remade it, if you want to get technical)!

Are they available now? My Red should ship in the next few weeks, so obviously in an ideal world I'd order both at the same time...

siniarch

02-27-2008, 05:32 PM

lead time is 3-5 weeks. Until I get off the ground I won't be able to keep stock of a bunch of units.I've already have about 45 units of some of the components that take the longest (ie. metal enclosures) to make. But the guts of the units are expensive and since I don't make that much I can't afford to order a bunch.I'm hoping this will change in the future. but now its a little slower than I'd like.

Dominic Jones

02-27-2008, 05:57 PM

No worries, I can handle a few weeks lead time. Order through the site when I'm ready?

Petr Dvorak

02-27-2008, 07:07 PM

I just found this 15.4" Samsung 1920x1200 LCD panel with HDMI.
It's kind of big, but with very good resolution
http://izzotek.com/achat/produit_details.php?id=266

http://izzotek.com/page.php?/images/TFTSAMSUNG154HDMI1B.jpg

Sam Druckerman

02-28-2008, 03:35 AM

Hey Guys,
I just tested last night with #81 and YES, the monitor displays the HDMI out with all the menus and you can even see the zebra. Wohoooo!!!

Luis has a smokin monitor there......

The image was beautiful and it was sooooooooo easy to focus with.

I want one!

Highly recommended.

Finner

02-28-2008, 09:46 AM

How much does it weigh?

to heavy for steadicam?

KETCH ROSSi

02-28-2008, 10:40 AM

I love how small, light and resourceful RED's monitor is, but I do believe that this monitor is a great one in deed, very interested and will contact Matt, to share his opinion as well since He has been using it on RED.

Wile I'm not very technically experienced with the monitors, I for sure like a bigger one then RED's 5.6" hence the 8.4" seems a great choice a a second monitor, also at 3.2lb seems reasonable weight to carry on the camera set up as well.

Great job and good lock with it, will contact you shortly for sure.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

Brent J. Craig

02-28-2008, 10:54 AM

What in the world possessed you to put the connectors on the top?

Of of the 6 faces/sides on a rectangular enclosure, the top would seem to be the second worst place, after the front. :-)

siniarch

02-28-2008, 11:56 AM

Sam,
Thanks for the post. Yes I think everyone that sees it can attest of its amazing image quality and angle of view.
Ketch,
First let me say Hi. I've heard about you from Matt and he can't say enough good things about you. If you ever want a demo, let me know. We can try to meet and test with your red. :)
Finner,
3.2lbs with no batteries. (ketch beat me to it) but Steadycam work usually has a much much heavier monitor. in fact they prefer a heavy monitor because it counter balances the weight of the camera.

Crewpix,
I know, I've heard people tell me that the connections on the top was not a good choice. for me it has worked great. when the connections are on the bottom its just a little more difficult to plug in and see which connectors you are connecting. But the monitor can easily be turned up side down and the image flipped through the menus. So I think its a problem that can easily be fixed.

Thanks everyone for looking and for your support of an independent inventor who is just trying to get some money to produce independent films. :)

siniarch

03-03-2008, 01:50 AM

REVIEWS
Everyone has been asking about reviews, so I've compiled a list of review that I know about. Also, there might be some others I don't know about.

(most are from this a thread at DVXuser, and some are from this thread, I hope this will be of help)

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1097058&postcount=98 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1097058&postcount=98) (Brian V. of Redrock Micro www.redrockmicro.com (http://www.redrockmicro.com/) )
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1118359&postcount=125 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1118359&postcount=125) (dvxuser after seeing it at DVexpo)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1119227&postcount=132 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1119227&postcount=132) (dvxuser after seeing it at DVexpo)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1120510&postcount=138 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1120510&postcount=138) (Ned Soltz of DV Magazine decided to mention my monitor on the magazine after DVexpo)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1128645&postcount=165 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1128645&postcount=165) (dvxuser who saw my monitor at a DVXuser group meeting)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1128960&postcount=169 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1128960&postcount=169) (dvxuser who saw my monitor at a DVXuser group meeting. Same as above)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1129279&postcount=171 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1129279&postcount=171) (dvxuser who saw my monitor at DVExpo)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1133893&postcount=175 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1133893&postcount=175) (this is me talking about it on a shoot we did. not a user review)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1134939&postcount=185 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1134939&postcount=185) (by Ned Soltz of DV Magazine)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1165145&postcount=222 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1165145&postcount=222) (extensive review by a customer of mine)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=103968&postcount=24 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=103968&postcount=24) (from Manny Red Owner #41)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=104792&postcount=30 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=104792&postcount=30) (from same as above Red #41)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=105127&postcount=40 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=105127&postcount=40) (also from Manny and this was before adding another Anti-reflective coating. Its better now)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=165752&postcount=62 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=165752&postcount=62) (from Red Owner #81)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=144783&postcount=9 (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=144783&postcount=9) (this one from Brian Goff. Maker of ActionProducts. www.actionproducts.ch (http://www.actionproducts.ch/) a sweet steadicam rig)if anyone knows of other reviews, please let me know. (send me a PM and I'll post the link. thanks)

Luis