Not sure I will take delivery...

[Jay A. Kelley]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I am considering taking Jim up on his offer to hold off delivery of the camera until all the needed elements are available.

In my case that would be the Nikon mount, the EVF, RED Drive and REDCine for Windows.

I am not like a lot of you guys, we are a small production company in St. Louis and while we do ok, we're not loaded with cash. The "boyish" side of me wants my toy A.S.A.P. while the "business owner" side does not want to be waisting time with anything less than a fully working camera.

I am starting with the Nikon mount because, to be honest, I am not a film person and I do not feel I have a strong enough grasp of the differences pertaining to 35mm lenses vs the B4s I am used too. It would be stupid of me to go out and spend $5,000+ on glass when I don't really know what I am looking for. Also, many rental clients are going to want glass for their projects I will have to rent anyway. The Nikon mount will allow me to go to a camera store in the area, and start putting on lenses and seeing the difference. I will learn this way without going broke.

I know we're supposed to be in a "sweet time" to rent these things out and get them into the market place before a lot of other people, but truthfully, I need a complete package to feel confident in my delivery to the people that pay me.

Now, lucky for me, I am not due to take delivery for another 7-8 weeks, so it's possible that most if not all of what I need will be available by then. However, since Jim and the boys do not have time to post a release schedule on the items I have listed above, the only intelligent thing I can do is assume they are not coming anytime soon until I am told differently.

I am bummed.. I was and still am very excited about RED, but I simply cannot take time out of my day to work with 1/2 a camera. I have sports clients that want interviews done but there's no way an 8gig CF card will do it. I need RedDrive.

Anyway, that's where I am today. I hope things change, but I won't know until they do.

Jay

[Michael Schrengohst]

That seems like a prudent approach. I am getting a RED
mainly for greenscreen work. As the RED matures perhaps
we will be comfortable in using it for other work.

[Ruairi Robinson]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I am considering taking Jim up on his offer to hold off delivery of the camera until all the needed elements are available.

In my case that would be the Nikon mount, the EVF, RED Drive and REDCine for Windows.

I am not like a lot of you guys, we are a small production company in St. Louis and while we do ok, we're not loaded with cash. The "boyish" side of me wants my toy A.S.A.P. while the "business owner" side does not want to be waisting time with anything less than a fully working camera.

I am starting with the Nikon mount because, to be honest, I am not a film person and I do not feel I have a strong enough grasp of the differences pertaining to 35mm lenses vs the B4s I am used too. It would be stupid of me to go out and spend $5,000+ on glass when I don't really know what I am looking for. Also, many rental clients are going to want glass for their projects I will have to rent anyway. The Nikon mount will allow me to go to a camera store in the area, and start putting on lenses and seeing the difference. I will learn this way without going broke.

I know we're supposed to be in a "sweet time" to rent these things out and get them into the market place before a lot of other people, but truthfully, I need a complete package to feel confident in my delivery to the people that pay me.

Now, lucky for me, I am not due to take delivery for another 7-8 weeks, so it's possible that most if not all of what I need will be available by then. However, since Jim and the boys do not have time to post a release schedule on the items I have listed above, the only intelligent thing I can do is assume they are not coming anytime soon until I am told differently.

I am bummed.. I was and still and very excited about RED, but I simply cannot take time out of my day to work with 1/2 a camera. I have sports clients that want interviews done but there's no way an 8gig CF card will do it. I need RedDrive.

Anyway, that's where I am today. I hope things change, but I won't know until they do.

Jay


Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

I think he means he wants to get his deposit back and then he might order at another time when he feels comfortable. Of course that means stepping to the end of the line. Some people won't be ready.

[number6]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

In my mind, there was always this idea that if anyone gave up their position in line, RED would take over that position and camera as well, for perhaps a leasing arm of the RED company. If that were the case, I shouldn't think you would be required to pay for the camera that RED was gaining the benefit from.

edit: Should clarify that I was thinking in terms of slipping ones delivery date... Red Guy probably put it more succinctly.

Not saying this is correct, but just my vague idea of what was planned.

[Jay A. Kelley]

No guys.. You are both incorrect.. My fault for not making myself clear.
Jim has stated numerous times that if a person with a reservation wanted to wait until the camera was 100% ready, they would hold onto it and you would not be obligated to take possesion until it was actually finished. You would not lose either your camera, or your place in line.

The advantage here, is that you do not have to fork over the $30,000+ for the system (The price in my case) until it's all there and ready to go.

There is no way in hell I am CANCELLING my order.. I just want to wait until it's ready.

Jay

[Ruairi Robinson]

No guys.. You are both incorrect.. My fault for not making myself clear.
Jim has stated numerous times that if a person with a reservation wanted to wait until the camera was 100% ready, they would hold onto it and you would not be obligated to take possesion until it was actually finished. You would not lose either your camera, or your place in line.

The advantage here, is that you do not have to fork over the $30,000+ for the system (The price in my case) until it's all there and ready to go.

There is no way in hell I am CANCELLING my order.. I just want to wait until it's ready.

Jay

As I understand it, he said you can ask for a refund, or wait till it's ready to take DELIVERY, but I didn't see where he said you could delay PAYMENT until it's ready. Guess it's time for someone from Red to chime in before any more disinformation is spread...!

[Seung Han]

I thought the whole concept of this camera was that it was never finished...

[PaulClements]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

Hi Ruairi

Has Red actually said so much. I've heard one or two in the first 50 actually held off purchasing it because the features they wanted were not in place. I don't recall whether they had to settle their account or not.

I'd always imagined that if features weren't enabled that had been anticipated when reserving that reservationist would be in a position to hold off completing payment until all things were ready, without having to join the back of the queue.

Paul

[Seung Han]

As I understand it, he said you can ask for a refund, or wait till it's ready to take DELIVERY, but I didn't see where he said you could delay PAYMENT until it's ready. Guess it's time for someone from Red to chime in before any more disinformation is spread...!

I thought the same thing. I think people are assuming too much here based on Red's goodwill. I hope I'm wrong though...

[PaulClements]

I thought the whole concept of this camera was that it was never finished...

I think there is a level of basic functionality that one could demand surely?

Paul

[Jay A. Kelley]

Quote from Jim:

"You do have the option to wait until all features are enabled to take delivery at no consequence to you (if you have that much patience). We will hold your camera (same serial number) and ship when feature set is complete. So far, none of the 25 has chosen that option. But you can."

While it's true that he does not mention missing parts, I know Jim well enough to know he would include that as well.. They were not planning on being delayed so much on EVF, REDDrive, REDCine, etc.

Jay

[PaulClements]

For instance, all cameras are currently considered beta cameras. The owners are effectively testers. Once it was no longer classed as in it's beta stage I would consider it a complete and functioning product, even if "extra" features are in the pipeline.

Paul

[Seung Han]

I stand corrected.

I really wish there was a fair system for switching places for people who have given deposits. I would love to switch spots with someone like Jay and get my hands on a RED sooner if it was possible...

[Seung Han]

For instance, all cameras are currently considered beta cameras. The owners are effectively testers. Once it was no longer classed as in it's beta stage I would consider it a complete and functioning product, even if "extra" features are in the pipeline.

Paul

That sounds fair. Do we have a sense of what functionalities will lift it out of beta mode...?

[Jay A. Kelley]

I stand corrected.

I really wish there was a fair system for switching places for people who have given deposits. I would love to switch spots with someone like Jay and get my hands on a RED sooner if it was possible...

I still don't think you understand. I am not giving up my camera. I am simply considering waiting until all the nessesary parts are available before taking delivery of my camera. #327 is mine, and if I have to purchase it when available or risk losing it, then I will certainly get it.

I was only considering waiting becuase Jim has given me that option (If I understood him correctly, which I believe I have).

I would ask him, but there is no way to reach him other than this site (To my knowlege)

Jay

[Jay A. Kelley]

For instance, all cameras are currently considered beta cameras. The owners are effectively testers. Once it was no longer classed as in it's beta stage I would consider it a complete and functioning product, even if "extra" features are in the pipeline.

Paul

The problem here is that they are beta testers who have paid tens of thousands of dollars to be beta testers. If they enjoy this (Which I KNOW they do) then cool for them. But I already work 6 days a week and I am not sure I have the time to be a beta tester, especially for $30,000+ dollars.

When I have been a beta tester, the product was usually free (No, I am not suggesting Jim sends us all the cameras for free.... Unless he'll do it! Then I'l suggest it! :) )

Jay

[C.H.Haskell]

Take delivery now and learn as much about using the camera and its features now...this will put you in a better technical position for when the camera is fully enabled and your learning curve will be smoother over time.

imo

[John Cordell]

I really wish there was a fair system for switching places for people who have given deposits. I would love to switch spots with someone like Jay and get my hands on a RED sooner if it was possible...

The current system is quite fair. If someone in line wants to wait for a feature complete camera, they won't actually hold the camera -- they'll hold the serial number. Once they are feature complete, they will build that serial number and deliver to that customer.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Haskell,

Up to now, your logic was my primary reason for taking delivery right away. And if the parts I need are only a couple of weeks behind my camera, then I will do so. But, after I have 4 days with that camera I am going to want to show it to clients.. Sue me, but I am gonna want to make money! And FAST! I can just hear that conversation now:

Me: heeerrrrssss RED!!
Clients (Looking) : Cool.
Other Client: yeah, cool.
Clients: How do you see the picture?
Me: Use the LCD here...
Client: Is there a viewfinder?
Me: Not yet, but it's coming.
Client: When
Me: Not sure, but it's COMING.
Client: Uh huh. Where do you record too?
Me: This little CF card here.
Client: Cool.. How long?
Me: 4 min.
Client: 4 Min? Can't you go longer?
Me: Yeah we can use a RED Drive and you can go over an hour
Client: That's more like it.. Where's that?
Me: Not here yet.
Client: Really? When will you have that?
Me: Soon
Client: When exactly is "Soon"?
Me: Not sure, but soon.
Client: Uh huh. Anything else "Not here yet"?
Me: (Pause) what do you edit on?
Client: PC, Adobe premiere... Why?
Me: Oh good grief... Nevermind


Get my point?.. I'll just wait.

:)

[Finner]

You can put screws into wood with a hammer, but why? Wait until right tool for your job is ready. I as well will be waiting.

[Tim H.]

Jay - One reason I might suggest you get the camera as soon as you can is because you mentioned that you didn't understand lenses (at least 35mm vs BL) 100%.

If you are use to ENG then you may want to test out renting or buying or adapting current ENG style lenses. You may want to rent some cinema lenses and get familiar with that way of working. There is a big difference of pulling focus, zooming, etc.

Seems like this time would make you more comfortable with the product and understand how it differs from what you are use to and thus make you appear more confident to clients.

Just my .02

[Chris Gearhart]

You can put screws into wood with a hammer, but why? Wait until right tool for your job is ready. I as well will be waiting.

I have actually tried that. Worked too--I just had to hit REALLY hard, for a looong time.

I hear you, Jay. Makes lots of sense.

[ericyoung]

Quote from Jim:

"You do have the option to wait until all features are enabled to take delivery at no consequence to you (if you have that much patience). We will hold your camera (same serial number) and ship when feature set is complete. So far, none of the 25 has chosen that option. But you can."

While it's true that he does not mention missing parts, I know Jim well enough to know he would include that as well.. They were not planning on being delayed so much on EVF, REDDrive, REDCine, etc.

Jay

As I understand Jim's quote it refers to camera body features not the accessories.


As I understand it, he said you can ask for a refund, or wait till it's ready to take DELIVERY, but I didn't see where he said you could delay PAYMENT until it's ready...

Hadn't thought about this possible interpretation - ie can we wait until all features are enabled and from that day we then have 30 days to come up with the balance of payment. Or do we have to pay within 30 days of a basic-feature-only camera being available, but can choose to leave it with RED until it's fully enabled?

Need RED team to clarify this!

[David Battistella]

Haskell,

Up to now, your logic was my primary reason for taking delivery right away. And if the parts I need are only a couple of weeks behind my camera, then I will do so. But, after I have 4 days with that camera I am going to want to show it to clients.. Sue me, but I am gonna want to make money! And FAST! I can just hear that conversation now:

Me: heeerrrrssss RED!!
Clients (Looking) : Cool.
Other Client: yeah, cool.
Clients: How do you see the picture?
Me: Use the LCD here...
Client: Is there a viewfinder?
Me: Not yet, but it's coming.
Client: When
Me: Not sure, but it's COMING.
Client: Uh huh. Where do you record too?
Me: This little CF card here.
Client: Cool.. How long?
Me: 4 min.
Client: 4 Min? Can't you go longer?
Me: Yeah we can use a RED Drive and you can go over an hour
Client: That's more like it.. Where's that?
Me: Not here yet.
Client: Really? When will you have that?
Me: Soon
Client: When exactly is "Soon"?
Me: Not sure, but soon.
Client: Uh huh. Anything else "Not here yet"?
Me: (Pause) what do you edit on?
Client: PC, Adobe premiere... Why?
Me: Oh good grief... Nevermind


Get my point?.. I'll just wait.

:)


JA,

This is a very realistic situation for many hardlined EFP shooters and I can completely understand and sympathize with your position. I understand the fluid and ever changing, relax it's all good, sensibility of RED, but I agree that there should be a "sense" of what is considered a complete camera.

I think they are very close to that right now.
Right now you have:
4K
2K to CF (more than 4minutes)

Missing:
No sound recording.
No extended record times (reddrive)
No Viewfinder.
No Version 1.0 software.

I think when all of these things are in place then is it a complete "feature enabled camera"?

Who is going to decide when or what that is? What are the targets?

Every business that has software and hardware attached is always going to be improving and release software, that is a given.

For now I would assume that the features stated on the RED.com website

http://www.red.com/cameras/tech_specs

(though subject to change) would be the features that make it "fully featured". but that might be subject to change :)


David

[Michael Schrengohst]

If that is the case and you can hold your place in line then sure that
is a great option. But at what point will RED say "The camera is ready - take it or leave it?
Maybe that will be camera 300 or 3000 - who knows?

[PaulClements]

The problem here is that they are beta testers who have paid tens of thousands of dollars to be beta testers. If they enjoy this (Which I KNOW they do) then cool for them. But I already work 6 days a week and I am not sure I have the time to be a beta tester, especially for $30,000+ dollars.

When I have been a beta tester, the product was usually free (No, I am not suggesting Jim sends us all the cameras for free.... Unless he'll do it! Then I'l suggest it! :) )

Jay

Hi Jay,

I'm not disagreeing with you. I can completely understand that people might want to wait for it to be ready. But I believe that once the camera is no longer deemed to be in it's beta stage then it is the first true consumer incarnation of the camera. At which point the reservation holder probably wouldn't have a right to hold off on either settling an account or getting a refund.


That sounds fair. Do we have a sense of what functionalities will lift it out of beta mode...?

For me it would no longer be classed as a beta camera if it can shoot 4k anywhere upto 30fps, 2k anywhere upto 100fps, 2540p anywhere upto 60fps using the RAW Port, On board Audio, Multiple video out enabled, A working EVF (Whilst it's an accessory, it's an important part, and an LCD is a compromise), a none beta version of RedCine for both Windows and PC and finally any issues with image quality and all known bugs removed.

Paul

[wshultz]

The need to shoot contiguous video beyond a 4 minute limit may be enough to cause some folks to wait. I can certainly understand that. For those not shooting narrative takes and who might need to shoot a 10 minute interview, not having the hard drive makes it non-functional for their purposes. It sounds like Jim is accomodating that.

[LighthouseMEdia]

I'm in the same boat guys...there are just enough bugs and issues that should be fixed by my number but I want to wait until I see everything working before I lay out my cash. I understand a project in development but I prefer to know that everything is in place before I finalize my deal.

[LEON]

, a none beta version of RedCine for both Windows and PC and finally any issues with image quality and all known bugs removed.

Paul[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I hope you mean MAC and PC, is this correct ?

[Stephen Williams]

As I understand Jim's quote it refers to camera body features not the accessories.



Hadn't thought about this possible interpretation - ie can we wait until all features are enabled and from that day we then have 30 days to come up with the balance of payment. Or do we have to pay within 30 days of a basic-feature-only camera being available, but can choose to leave it with RED until it's fully enabled?

Need RED team to clarify this!

Hi,

I don't see how you could be expected to pay for a camera that you have not taken delivery for the sole reason that the features promised when you made your reservation aren't yet implemented.

Personally I would not pay 100% of the purchase price until 100% of the features are enabled, but then I have been in this situation before.

Stephen

[Ruairi Robinson]

Hi,

I don't see how you could be expected to pay for a camera that you have not taken delivery for the sole reason that the features promised when you made your reservation aren't yet implemented.

Personally I would not pay 100% of the purchase price until 100% of the features are enabled, but then I have been in this situation before.

Stephen

Were all featured "promised" on initial delivery...?

I seem to remember the precise opposite being the case. For example, in ever single thing Jim Jannard posts here, he says "Everything in life changes... including our camera specs and delivery dates..."

That doesn't sound like a "promise" of features to me.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything - just that people are making all sorts of assumptions, then getting pissed off when it turns out not to be the case. And the haven't corrected anyone on this thread yet...

R.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Guys,

Thanks, your support has made me feel better about this. I felt like I was letting down this community by having to consider this option, but hearing that some of you felt the same way was a relief.

It sounds like there is a general agreement on what a completed camera is:

Current promises on Firmware completed
EVF
REDDrive
REDCine v1 for MAC and PC (For that person that asked, no "Windows & PC was not an error on Paul's part.. He simply refuses to admit that Apple exists! :) (Yes I am kidding)

At this point you cannot call RED a BETA camera. Will all this be done by Dec 07? That's the $30,000 question.

Jay

[_BK]

Hi,

Personally I would not pay 100% of the purchase price until 100% of the features are enabled,

Stephen


I fully agree with this Stephen. I had purposely held off reserving my camera early because I don't think its fair for users to pay full price only to be beta testers for RED.

I personally beta test various 2d and 3d software and those companies have never forced me to pay for the software while beta testing it. Once the software is fully functional, then I make the decision to purchase or not.

I had hoped and still hoping that by the time RED gets to the 800's that all features will be enabled, but if they are not I will be taking my reservation refund and waiting until they are.

[Stephen Williams]

Were all featured "promised" on initial delivery...?

I seem to remember the precise opposite being the case. For example, in ever single thing Jim Jannard posts here, he says "Everything in life changes... including our camera specs and delivery dates..."

That doesn't sound like a "promise" of features to me.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything - just that people are making all sorts of assumptions, then getting pissed off when it turns out not to be the case. And the haven't corrected anyone on this thread yet...

R.

Hi Ruairi,

I seem to remember that Jim said the first 100 cameras would not be fully functioning but approximately 97% enabled.

If I had chosen a camera because the features & specs were better than the competition, I would expect those features to work before taking delivery.

Clearly YMMV

Stephen

Stephen

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Guys,

Thanks, your support has made me feel better about this. I felt like I was letting down this community by having to consider this option, but hearing that some of you felt the same way was a relief.

It sounds like there is a general agreement on what a completed camera is:

Current promises on Firmware completed
EVF
REDDrive
REDCine v1 for MAC and PC (For that person that asked, no "Windows & PC was not an error on Paul's part.. He simply refuses to admit that Apple exists! :) (Yes I am kidding)

At this point you cannot call RED a BETA camera. Will all this be done by Dec 07? That's the $30,000 question.

Jay

Guys :
Please do not forget that completed camera come with completed supporting format that make's Red and its video codec compatible and useable with
multipile enviorments Pc And Mac (including graphical and editing softwares)
that everybody everywhere using them.:unsure:

[Ryan Sims]

I think Jim answered these questions here:


You can choose to wait until all features are enabled, which should be sometime early October. Then you have 30 days.

Jim

[Stephen Williams]

I think Jim answered these questions here:

Hi,

Assuming were talking early October 2007, then I am confused.

Stephen

[Jay A. Kelley]

I fear we are starting to confuse the issues here. I am NOT COMPLAINING about anything. I am simply dealing with the facts that are in front of me. The post Jim wrote about features being ready by Oct may still be true. And it's also true that he did NOT say anything about accessories and delays.

BUT

I don't think (Yes, I am guessing here) he expected to have such basic elements such as REDDrive, or the EVF not ready with the camera. If you search past posts you will see they ALWAYS expected to have these items with the camera. Jim is a reasonable person, so I was making a leap of faith that if I were actually able to communicate with him directly, I would say "Jim, in my situation I can't do much with the camera without an EVF or REDDrive, can I wait until those are ready and then get the camera (I'm assumeing the firmware is done at this point). I would expect him to say something like... "Huh? Wha? What the hell are you doing in my house you creep!? GET OUT!" Wait, no that's not Jim.. That's an old Jessica Simpson fantasy.. Ok, I would expect JIM to say "No problem Jay, we'll hold your camera until those two items are done."

Yeah.. There... That's what he would say.... :)

At least I hope he would.

If not, then I will get the damn camera the second he tells me too.

Jay

[Noah Kadner]

Curious how that would work though. Say 100 reservations holders decide to delay their purchase. Is Red going to sit on the manufacturing costs of 100 cameras while the reservation holders wait or go ahead release those cameras to the next folks in line? That's a lot of potential Red ink- isn't it?

[Jannard]

I hope this becomes a moot point pretty quickly. Features are being enabled pretty quickly now. And while we are admittedly a bit behind, features and stability should be pretty complete by the Serial number 100+ builds. Of course that can change... :-). You certainly have the option to wait for EVERYTHING to be complete and not accept your camera or pay your money until that time. But I would expect that to be fairly soon. I WANT anyone that is nervous to wait. I do NOT want anyone to complain about being a part of development and be frustrated. Everyone so far has been told that they are taking cameras that are not done and have been given the choice to wait. No one has accepted the "wait until done part". But you certainly can.

Taking the camera now gives one an opportunity to learn the camera and understand its capabilities...

A new build will come with 51-100. And it will be sent to 1-50 the same day. It enables many more features, but not all.

Hope that helps.

Jim

[PaulClements]

Thanks Jim, all sounds fair.

One quick question. Do you anticipate that later models might in some way have physical differences? And if so will those differences be available to earlier adopters? One that springs to mind was the CF card issue.

Cheers

Paul

[PaulClements]

Sorry, I hope you mean MAC and PC, is this correct ?

Yeah sorry. My bad.

Paul

[Häakon]

Hi Jay,

According to Jim's latest delivery schedule, your camera lot begins shipping November 30th, and that's also the date he's given as the estimated completion of the feature set. So really, there's nothing at all to deliberate. :-)

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jim PLEASE.. Just one more thing (I know, if you had a nickle for every time you heard that you'd be a ... Wait.. You already are...)

WHOOPS... Nevermind.. You answered this question just now... Thanks Jim!!!

Looks like I will be getting my camera when it's ready...

BOOO- YAHHHH!

:biggrin: :w00t:

Jay

[ericyoung]

...features and stability should be pretty complete by the Serial number 100+ builds. Of course that can change... :-). You certainly have the option to wait for EVERYTHING to be complete and not accept your camera or pay your money until that time...Jim

Think that answers our questions - Big Thanks Jim! :biggrin:

[Ruairi Robinson]

You certainly have the option to wait for EVERYTHING to be complete and not accept your camera or pay your money until that time.

Hope that helps.

Jim

Well that answers that then. Sometimes I like being wrong :)

R.

[damonbots]

At this point, will all near term updates be software based only? If so, I don't foresee any problems with taking delivery immediately upon availability.

[David Battistella]

I hope this becomes a moot point pretty quickly. Features are being enabled pretty quickly now. And while we are admittedly a bit behind, features and stability should be pretty complete by the Serial number 100+ builds. Of course that can change... :-). You certainly have the option to wait for EVERYTHING to be complete and not accept your camera or pay your money until that time. But I would expect that to be fairly soon. I WANT anyone that is nervous to wait. I do NOT want anyone to complain about being a part of development and be frustrated. Everyone so far has been told that they are taking cameras that are not done and have been given the choice to wait. No one has accepted the "wait until done part". But you certainly can.

Taking the camera now gives one an opportunity to learn the camera and understand its capabilities...

A new build will come with 51-100. And it will be sent to 1-50 the same day. It enables many more features, but not all.

Hope that helps.

Jim

After following this thread I would say that this helps a lot! Thanks for making a post. It makes everything so easy.

David