View Full Version : Idea for sample footage distribution
10-22-2007, 07:23 AM
Firstly Kudos to all red owners (you lucky dogs) for sharing and uploading test footage.
I was just wondering that seeing as how getting the best quality footage out to people is a server issue - has anyone thought about creating a binary Usenet group to upload footage to (or just using a group already available)
That way you could upload footage in untouched tiff seq or whatever and anyone with a usenet account can hammer it down with no cost to you in terms of bandwidth. Also it gets around people encoding in prores which screws all us PC and non fcp6 users out of having a play.
If Usenet is good enough for wares kiddies and pirates to upload 50gig Blueray movies to - surly we can use it for something worthwhile.
10-22-2007, 11:21 AM
I think Usenet is the way to go too
10-22-2007, 01:18 PM
Glad Im not the only one - be interested to hear what any RED owners think and if they would consider it.
BTW as soon as they become available for hire in Australia I plan on grabbing one from lemac for a day or so and Ill be more than happy to embarrass myself by uploading what I shoot to Usenet.
Anyone else in Oz interested in doing the same maybe we can pool together and hire it for a few days...maybe even a week. Heck might even come up with a project to shoot for it too.
10-22-2007, 05:12 PM
i made a torrent also ok?
10-23-2007, 02:15 PM
USENET wouldn't be my first choice to distribute footage. BitTorrent would be much better and far more practical. USENET is way too slow and it's too easy for multi-part messages to get corrupted by duplicated parts being downloaded or parts not getting through to the servers. I also don't want to wait 265469847 hours to download a 300 part message from my ISP's slow news server when I can get it from BitTorrent. Of course the distribution method is meaningless if you can't actually playback the footage on your TV (which is much better than a crappy PC monitor in my opinion) so that limits us to h.264 or WMV 9 which are widely accepted by media playback devices.
10-23-2007, 03:07 PM
BitTorrent can be as slow or if not slower than free Usenet. Depends on the amount of users wanting to share. Pay for service Usenet can reach speeds of 2meg.
10-24-2007, 12:33 PM
uenet leeching is at the full speed of the connection - in my case 4mb or 485k/sec you never get that on torrent - but then its a $15 a month service I pay for...
10-24-2007, 03:49 PM
The problem with both of these is that people have to store the files and be online. Most people's up speed is around 40kb/s. Not to mention torrents don't utilize all the up bandwidth someone has. A lot of it gets sucked up. So likely- if we are a 1:1 seed:peer ratio- the peer won't get but 20-30kb/s downloaded. So if someone is starting off with a new file, the file will take a huge amount of time to get initially.
Then we would have to get people to commit to staying on those as seeders which is just impractical. A physical online location is the best way to go. We don't have enough longevity in our downloads or shelf life for these files to even think about doing torrents unless 3-5 people are initially seeding.
When I upload a file, people can consistently get anywhere from 72kb/s to 300kb/s depending on local network stress during the day without requiring multiple people to be online all the time.
RedRelay does not currently have a problem with bandwidth. For the entire month of October plus the last week of September, we didn't use but 9% of our primary bandwidth and only 3% of our total bandwidth for the month.
I've been trying to tell people this but people still are freaking out about not having a place to store their files. What I'm trying to do is allow a place for people to upload their own files instead of uploading them, me downloading them and uploading them again.
RedRelay is meant to be a first generation handoff to the end user. We have almost 1TB of total storage plus 10TB of bandwidth total a month between our primary site and our handoff sister sites.
Use RedRelay or one of these other fine people who have been hosting red footage. We have the space and the bandwidth, we just need people to use it!
10-24-2007, 10:28 PM
Usenet doesnít need people to be online - its a once off upload to dedicated servers. Having said that posts do expire depending on your provider with binary retention at a maximum of 150 days.
Still its interesting to know the stats you put out for redrelay - guess the problem isnít bandwidth - its just bringing everyone to the table so we have one port of call.
Maybe we need an ad campaign to promote awareness...shot on red...
11-03-2007, 12:56 AM
That would be good. Right now there are two great locations to get Red footage. My site, RedRelay, and http://www.hd4.tv/red/mirror.html.
We consistently have up the latest footage and have never taken footage down for bandwidth reasons.
I'm currently working on the visual side of my site so some less popular clips aren't available at this point in time but will be up completely before monday.
What would be nice is a cooperation with RedUser or even Red itself to make people aware of where they can see user-submitted footage.
This base will grow rapidly in the coming months. I'm already working on a server at home starting off with 1TB of HDD space and a two coupled T1 lines until the FTTC gets installed here in Shreveport, LA. In march, a media outlet called the Robinson Film Center will open locally and I will likely get to use the system for a static IP location from which to host RedRelay footage.
We will see. I'm just hoping I can hire a coder that can make this thing what I really want it to be... a big ass RedTube of sorts where people can log in and upload their own films and make a uniform look for the site with totally dynamic content. That's way out of my league. But we will see what the demand is like in the coming 2 Quarters.
11-03-2007, 01:00 AM
Everyone really should use RedRelay, it's pretty dang cool, and free!