25-250 Angenieux Night Test

[CJ Roy]

Hey all-

I love this camera. Thank you Jim, and the rest of the Red team.

DP Anthony Kwan & I shot this in my backyard to just test some night exteriors. We shot @ 500ASA with the Angenieux 25-250 f3.9 (pre-HR/HP). As Jim referred to it on Red Day, it's an antique.

There's some vignetting on the wide end of the lens, and some distortion going on everywhere else. You can see some of it with the out of focus xmas tree lights, where on the sides of the frame it looks like a 3 bladed iris. It's a $700 lens and acts like it.


Mirror #1: http://www.bealecorner.org/red/ (Thanks Jbeale)

Mirror #2: http://www.hd4.tv/red/mirror.html (Thanks Claus)

Mirrors REALLY appreciated. My server's getting nailed.

Thanks.

-CJ

[Spinflight]

I actually like that look of that lens. The picture doesn't have the usual crispness of the red zoom. the image seems a little more organic to me. I like the feel. Not bad for $700.

[Rick Darge]

I don't know what you're talking about. Those images were awesome. I want that lens! I agree with spinfight, had a real earthy look to it. What did you do for lighting?

[Jason Francois]

I don't know what you're talking about. Those images were awesome. I want that lens! I agree with spinfight, had a real earthy look to it. What did you do for lighting?
I couldn't agree any more.

That was amazing.

I would love to see what that lens does in the daylight, because it looks golden in the night.

J.

[CJ Roy]

I think the lens can produce some really nice images. It doesn't have that sharpness that some of the newer lenses have, which I dislike. This one, however, has the vignetting, a lot of distortion on the wide side of the lens, and from 200-250mm it has some strange softness. Almost like a diffusion/promist. I'm not sure of the proper term for it. You can see some of it on close-up of the eyes.

I'm looking forward to testing some zeiss standards & super speeds. I think they'll have that look that I'll like.

For the backyard we used a 1200par bounced into a white reflector disc, a double 4ft Kino bank and 650fresnel for rim/hair light. We varied up which played key/fill, etc.

For the 1st table shot, we used the kino double bank for key, 1 650w bounced off a reflector on the table and a 300 for rim.

For the candle simulation, we used the 150w for snooted on the candle, the 650w bounced off a gold reflector for key and the kino double bank for rim.

[Jason Francois]

Thanks for the info. Still sounds like it has some promise. Maybe not full range, but still usable for the right style of project.

Thanks again CJ.

[Jason Francois]

Sorry CJ, but is that lens 16, Super16 or 35? I see that in your link it says 2k....did you shoot at 2k?

Thanks,

Jason

EDIT: Also, congratulations on getting your camera.

[jbeale]

Thanks for the clip, looks nice!

I have added it to my mirror http://www.bealecorner.org/red

[CJ Roy]

Sorry CJ, but is that lens 16, Super16 or 35? I see that in your link it says 2k....did you shoot at 2k?

Thanks,

Jason

It's a 35 lens. We shot in 4k. For ease, I exported a 2k tiff sequence, converted that to black magic 10bit for editing. Then a 1k H264 from there.

I'm still figuring out the post workflow, but it's kind of difficult without an Intel Mac tower.

[CJ Roy]

Thanks for the clip, looks nice!
I will upload it to my mirror http://www.bealecorner.org/red
it will take a while before the upload finishes though.

Thanks!

[Jason Francois]

It's a 35 lens. We shot in 4k. For ease, I exported a 2k tiff sequence, converted that to black magic 10bit for editing. Then a 1k H264 from there.

I'm still figuring out the post workflow, but it's kind of difficult without an Intel Mac tower.

Thanks CJ. I'm thankful for all you pioneers out there going through it and making it work.

[jbeale]

ok, it's up at http://www.bealecorner.org/red/

Thanks again for the showing us the test! in this 1k file at least, I didn't notice anything objectionable about the lens. Anyway, as long as you are showing a pretty girl, usually there are no complaints. :-)

[Matt Uhry]

It Looks Cool, thanks for sharing.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com

[Mark Pugh]

Do you have any notes on the shots here? e.g. how many stops underexposed is the skintone on the last shot?

[Andrew Benz]

Very nice guys... Very nice variety, thank you for the footage.

[Hans von Sonntag]

Nice to see this old baby on a RED. Shot a lot with this lens and liked it for its softness. Breathes a lot. Nothing for packs, architecture etc. but nice for moody people shots (no need for diffusion). Well maintained vintage lenses can be the right choice for certain applications.

Hans

[Paolo Tinari]

very good, tx for posting

[Claus Mueller]

Added to mirror including flash h.264:

http://www.hd4.tv/red/mirror.html

[CJ Roy]

Added to mirror including flash h.264:

http://www.hd4.tv/red/mirror.html

Thanks Claus!

[Alexander Nikishin]

That lens produces a very soft & smooth look, almost as if it had a 1/2 black promist filter on.

I definitely like the look of it!

I particualrly liked the lighting setup that began on minute 1:15 of the clip, great work guys, thanks!

[Damien Molineaux]

... We shot @ 500ASA with the Angenieux 25-250 f3.9 (pre-HR/HP). As Jim referred to it on Red Day, it's an antique.

There's some vignetting on the wide end of the lens, and some distortion going on everywhere else. You can see some of it with the out of focus xmas tree lights, where on the sides of the frame it looks like a 3 bladed iris. It's a $700 lens and acts like it.

...

Hi CJ,

Thanks for sharing. The 1k looks great, I'd love to see the 4k. I bought the same lens, but am waiting for Jorge Diaz-Amador at Cinematechnic in Miami to convert it to PL. Was yours already in PL ?

The christmas lights look great. I take it your were wide open as the shape is nearly round although you can see it's three sided. I wonder what the bokeh looks like if you're stopped down. I'm looking forward to testing mine out, but I guess that won't be for at least another couple months...

A couple more questions : did you use some kind of support with the lens ? And any chance you could post a picture of the camera with the lens on it please.

Cheers,
Damien

[Kevin Lang]

We used this lens alot with our Pro35 and Varicam to shoot music videos because it was such a messed up lens, clients loved the look of it and it was nice to have that range 25-250 pig of a lens though. We just bought the newer version of this lens a 25-250HR cant wait to try this one out on the Red.

Cool looking stuff guys!

[Sanjin Jukic]

Amazing night shots and a girl.

Also looking forward to test one another 25-250mm zoom vintage 35mm lens with PL mount from Rank Optics Taylor-Hobson today better known as Cooke.
Cooke Cine Varotal 25-250mm for 35mm with PL mount from the beginning of 80's. I paid € 1.500 for the lens.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/cooke25-250mm.jpg

[Matthew Rogers]

I loved the look of it. That, I believe, is the most filmic looking footage I've seen so far. Too bad H.264 is 8bit--otherwise I would think her skin would be very soft and smooth.

I'm also thinking of the Cooke 25-250 as a second lens for when I need more reach.

Matthew

[Petr Dvorak]

Nice!
I like that distortion on xmas tree lights, it dont need to be perfect :biggrin:

[ChrisLyon]

It's up on RedRelay as well.

I've said this to you already, CJ but man you have some good looking stuff there. Great optics, great range.

[Ronnie Silos]

Wow. I love it. Creamy, soft and warm. I love it!
Ronnie

[Rudi Herbert]

Any color correction done to the clip at all?

Those are the best $700 worth of footage I've seem so far from RED, organic, fluid and engaging, centering your attention on the subject and rendering the edges pleasantly and conveniently soft and unfocused, just as human vision works. Where can I buy one of those babies?

Rudi Herbert

[dalemccready]

it's going to be great fun to find odd lenses and pair them with the Red since it's such a sharp capture device. I'm looking forward to trawling for old bits n pieces, lensbabies and the like

[chuck colburn]

Gee I remember not that long ago if you mentioned the old 10 to 1 zooms you were berated and told to get real. Seems some are having a change of heart here. While the coverage at the wider end is a bit anemic for S-35 I believe it can be delt with in post. These old lenses put into the hands of a decent optical tech (preferablly someone with experience in the repair of them) can genneraly be tweaked to perform quite nicely. The 6 to 1 (20-120) which came out afterwards was a superior lens in both optical and mechanical aspects. And of course if you can use a smaller stop for the shot your even more better off. Zoom lenses are mechanically complex and need to be checked and serviced to assure their best performance.

Here's a 6 to 1 package that caught my eye. Not the finest zoom control, but was widely used at the time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ANGENIEUX-20-120-zoom-w-CP-J-4-Control-and-all-access_W0QQitemZ130164944775QQihZ003QQcategoryZ469 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Jason Francois]

Gee I remember not that long ago if you mentioned the old 10 to 1 zooms you were berated and told to get real. Seems some are having a change of heart here. While the coverage at the wider end is a bit anemic for S-35 I believe it can be delt with in post. These old lenses put into the hands of a decent optical tech (preferablly someone with experience in the repair of them) can genneraly be tweaked to perform quite nicely. The 6 to 1 (20-120) which came out afterwards was a superior lens in both optical and mechanical aspects. And of course if you can use a smaller stop for the shot your even more better off. Zoom lenses are mechanically complex and need to be checked and serviced to assure their best performance.

Here's a 6 to 1 package that caught my eye. Not the finest zoom control, but was widely used at the time.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ANGENIEUX-20-120-zoom-w-CP-J-4-Control-and-all-access_W0QQitemZ130164944775QQihZ003QQcategoryZ469 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Too bad you took a beating Chuck. I think I took a bit of a beating at one time for asking about using promists and the like to soften the image a bit. Some people think it's crazy to have such high resolution and not use it, but like Dale said, it's going to be fun to experiment with old lenses and get different looks.

DALE: I can't wait to see some music video footage with the Lensbaby:)

Jason

[chuck colburn]

Not me..although I remember responding to a discussion somewhere about what to lookout for when buying older zooms.

[Shawn Nelson]

Great post guys! Wow, now I want an old lens :-)

Chuck, where is this post of yours?

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Wow. I love it. Creamy, soft and warm. I love it!
Ronnie

Yes, true, she is CREAMY soft :love:

[Shawn Nelson]

Btw, where can I buy this lens for $700? I'd whip out the card now if so. I found it on Visual Products for $1500+ a fee to convert it to PL mount.

[chuck colburn]

Great post guys! Wow, now I want an old lens :-)

Chuck, where is this post of yours?

Shawn,

I don't know. Mayby it was on some other site. lol
Is there away one can call up their previous posts?

[Stephen Williams]

Amazing night shots and a girl.

Also looking forward to test one another 25-250mm zoom vintage 35mm lens with PL mount from Rank Optics Taylor-Hobson today better known as Cooke.
Cooke Cine Varotal 25-250mm for 35mm with PL mount from the beginning of 80's. I paid € 1.500 for the lens.

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/cooke25-250mm.jpg

Hi There,

As I told you in another thread that's not the F2.8 Superman lens.

Stephen

[Stephen Williams]

Shawn,

I don't know. Mayby it was on some other site. lol
Is there away one can call up their previous posts?

Hi Chuck,

I stripped mine down for the glass to use as a prop. I paid $300 from Digital Domain on EBay.

Stephen

[Sanjin Jukic]

Btw, where can I buy this lens for $700? I'd whip out the card now if so. I found it on Visual Products for $1500+ a fee to convert it to PL mount.

There is Cooke 20-100 Varotal zoom 35mm lens with PL mount for € 1.500 at Holland Equipment Rental in Amsterdam.
If you have VAT number you don't pay a local Duch tax.
You pay just for US Import taxes.
Also if you have FEDEX account they could pick up the lens and you get it in a day or two.
Here is the LINK >> (http://www.hollandequipment.nl/index.php?page=3_2)
Contact person : Nico van den Boogaard (English is the second speaking language in Holland)
Email: Nico@HollandEquipment.nl
Phone: +31 20 694 35 75

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hi There,

As I told you in another thread that's not the F2.8 Superman lens.

Stephen

Stephen,

forget Supermen and take a vintage lens.

[chuck colburn]

Your a bad boy Stephen.

You could have at least given it a proper burial. Something like a head on crash shot with a steam engine or mayby a bungee jump into some large rocks. Something like that. lol

[CJ Roy]

Do you have any notes on the shots here? e.g. how many stops underexposed is the skintone on the last shot?

I believe we were 2-3 stops under. The talent is about 5'9 and the double kino bank was at the ground, angled up towards her. Hopefully Tony can chime in about this.



The 1k looks great, I'd love to see the 4k. I bought the same lens, but am waiting for Jorge Diaz-Amador at Cinematechnic in Miami to convert it to PL. Was yours already in PL ?

I'll post some of the tiff's up here later today. All the tiff's were unaltered and just exported through redalert. Let me know which shots you'd like and I'll load them up.
I believe the lens came with the PL mount. Tony will have to chime in about that.


The christmas lights look great. I take it your were wide open as the shape is nearly round although you can see it's three sided. I wonder what the bokeh looks like if you're stopped down.

I thought we were at a 5.6 on those shots, but I can't remember if I opened up for it. At first we were strictly using our meters... then we ended up being able to decently judge it off the LCD.


A couple more questions : did you use some kind of support with the lens ? And any chance you could post a picture of the camera with the lens on it please.

No support. The mount feels pretty solid, but support would be better. I'll see if I can snap a pic later today.


Nice!
I like that distortion on xmas tree lights, it dont need to be perfect :biggrin:
Yeah, it has a look. I think, like someone else stated, it can serve a bunch of applications. But I can just imagine the comments coming back from the client's video village. "Why does that dot look like an egg?"


Any color correction done to the clip at all?
Those are the best $700 worth of footage I've seem so far from RED, organic, fluid and engaging, centering your attention on the subject and rendering the edges pleasantly and conveniently soft and unfocused, just as human vision works. Where can I buy one of those babies?

I did some small corrections in FCP. Crushed the blacks a little, raised the highlights and added some saturation. Not too much else.
I think Tony got the lens on Ebay.

[Joe Taylor]

Ah, the good ol' fashioned 25-250. Here's mine on my Arri 2c. Soon, it will be working on my new RED... unless I decide to use the EOS option.

[Damien Molineaux]

Thanks for the feedback CJ. A little busy these days. I'll check out the tiffs as soon as I get a chance, and I'll keep a look out for a pick of your setup.

Cheers,
Damien

[chuck colburn]

Ah, the good ol' fashioned 25-250. Here's mine on my Arri 2c. Soon, it will be working on my new RED... unless I decide to use the EOS option.

Nice clean 2C package you got there. Even if you convert the lens to PL mount insted of using a S/B to PL adapter you will want to use that lens support unit. But then again I'm sure you already know that. lol

What kind of telescope have you got Joe?

[Sanjin Jukic]

Here is the King of all 25-250mm lenses and it's about Rank Optics Taylor-Hobson Cooke Cine Varotal T4
even if Stephen (http://www.reduser.net/forum/member.php?u=379) is trying all the time to degrade this lens preformance without ANY own scientific test!!! :clown2:

http://www.sanjinjukic.com/extras/cooke25-250mm.jpg

[chuck colburn]

Boy you sure like to post that shot alot Sanjin

[Sanjin Jukic]

I'm very old boy and also like to talk about real things and facts.

[Joe Taylor]

Nice clean 2C package you got there. Even if you convert the lens to PL mount insted of using a S/B to PL adapter you will want to use that lens support unit. But then again I'm sure you already know that. lol

What kind of telescope have you got Joe?

For my film "Dead Lonesome" I mounted my Arri 2c to a home built mount that is big enough to have it's own trailer.

I recently bought a Meade ETX 125 that you can piggyback SLR2 and possible a stripped down RED with a light prime.

The online version of Dead Lonesome looks terrible because of the heavy compression. On DVD it looks really good. I wish I could go back and shoot he whole thing again with a RED.

Don't mean to hi-jack this thread. Sorry

[Scott Tanner]

Anyone have any comparisons of the 25-250 vs 20-120 versions of the angenieux? breathing, sharpness and distortion..etc

[Obin Olson]

Hey all-

I love this camera. Thank you Jim, and the rest of the Red team.

DP Anthony Kwan & I shot this in my backyard to just test some night exteriors. We shot @ 500ASA with the Angenieux 25-250 f3.9 (pre-HR/HP). As Jim referred to it on Red Day, it's an antique.

There's some vignetting on the wide end of the lens, and some distortion going on everywhere else. You can see some of it with the out of focus xmas tree lights, where on the sides of the frame it looks like a 3 bladed iris. It's a $700 lens and acts like it.

http://www.cjroy.net/images/video/red/extnightBM2k_1k.mov

Mirror #1: http://www.bealecorner.org/red/ (Thanks Jbeale)

Mirror #2: http://www.hd4.tv/red/mirror.html (Thanks Claus)

Mirrors REALLY appreciated. My server's getting nailed.

Thanks.

-CJ



The reason the camera is so great! I don't care a snit about the glass "resolution" that has never been an issue in my mind, it's the cheap "digital" low dynamic range of "video" that is sooo horrid! THANK YOU RED!

now when can I get my #610?

who want's to cut me a killer deal on a week long rental? I will even give you mine for 2 days for every one day I use yours....

[Omar Saad]

Anyone have any comparisons of the 25-250 vs 20-120 versions of the angenieux? breathing, sharpness and distortion..etc

I'm curious about this too. Does anyone have any first hand info?

[George A.]

I am curious, too.

PS I have a feeling that old lenses would do quite fine on RED. I know Stephen and some others say that the old lenses are quite bad - but they know how they would perform on film, not RED. RED is so unbelievably sharp - too sharp for many people's taste. They would use some kind of diffusion anyway, on camera or on post.

If you use older lenses, it seems you can achieve a nice, organic look.

[Adrian Correia]

I am curious, too.

PS I have a feeling that old lenses would do quite fine on RED. I know Stephen and some others say that the old lenses are quite bad - but they know how they would perform on film, not RED. RED is so unbelievably sharp - too sharp for many people's taste. They would use some kind of diffusion anyway, on camera or on post.

If you use older lenses, it seems you can achieve a nice, organic look.

this was the exact reasoning I bought my old canon k35s for Red...now looking at cooke zooms....

[pensound]

DP Anthony Kwan & I shot this in my backyard to just test some night exteriors. We shot @ 500ASA with the Angenieux 25-250 f3.9 (pre-HR/HP). As Jim referred to it on Red Day, it's an antique.



may i ask one?
probably this lens mount is Arri's. what is PL-converter?
I found it and I have Angeneux zoom too

best regard

[CJ Roy]

may i ask one?
probably this lens mount is Arri's. what is PL-converter?
I found it and I have Angeneux zoom too

best regard

There's no adapter on the lens, the PL mount is attached. It must have been converted at some point. Not sure though.

-CJ

[Michael Schrengohst]

Hello,

Can you take a pic of that PL mount??
Thanks

[Tom Lowe]

CJ what about trying a candle-lit scene with only candles? Maybe five or six candles on the table in front of a subject? 1000ASA?

[Scott Tanner]

Does anyone know where to get an arri mount adapted to a PL mount? Is there any adapters to purchase?

[laguun]

I'm curious about this too. Does anyone have any first hand info?

i own both, and have also 3 of the 25-250. one is the old generation (as the one used here), 2 the following ones.

right now i am in the middle of a movie and i hope to post soon.

if you want to see the angenieux 25-250 in action, just have a look at some kubricks. as example, barry lyndon used the 25-250 f3.2 on most of the exterior scenes.

people who dump it should be aware that well maintained 25-250 sell for 5.000~10.000 and are a rental standard. the never 3.2/3.5 are excellent, one of my all time favorites. we have them as rental as well.

for the recent testshots with red we used arri masterprimes and zeiss distagon as well, and i can clearly say that red exposes the weaknesses of these lenses as well. i was surprised by the amount of chromatic aberratin on the arri masterprimes and the softness of the zeiss in the outer areas.

we also have a cooke set on offer, this will be tested soon with red.

[laguun]

Does anyone know where to get an arri mount adapted to a PL mount? Is there any adapters to purchase?

many different ones, from 200-500 typically.

if you order more, you will even get better prices.

[CJ Roy]

Hello,

Can you take a pic of that PL mount??
Thanks

Here's the mount.

http://cjroy.net/images/red/Angenieux1.jpg
http://cjroy.net/images/red/Angenieux2.jpg

-CJ

[CJ Roy]

CJ what about trying a candle-lit scene with only candles? Maybe five or six candles on the table in front of a subject? 1000ASA?

Eh... frankly after getting a set of standard primes, I can't really see using the Angenieux much, so I'm not sure how much more testing I'll do with it.

You'd want to fake a candle lit scene with this lens... and the noise would be too much at 1000ASA.

-CJ

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

i Have extra very clean optics like new 25 -250 Angenieux lens for whom may concern ?

[Michael Schrengohst]

Eh... frankly after getting a set of standard primes, I can't really see using the Angenieux much, so I'm not sure how much more testing I'll do with it.

You'd want to fake a candle lit scene with this lens... and the noise would be too much at 1000ASA.

-CJ

I hear you...
It will be awhile before I can entertain the thought
of owning a decent prime set. I am waiting to see how
the RED primes look. I have a few beater PL zooms
that will get me going and then will rent
when need be.
Thanks

[Jaime Vallés]

The footage looks great! Damn, only $700... This makes me reconsider the whole SLR lens idea.

How heavy is the 25-250?

[Michael Schrengohst]

Mine is about 5.5 lbs. It has no focus or zoom gears.
I am still getting the Nikon mount.
I also have a 20-120 Angenieux - it is a beast.
No hand holding that sucker.
http://www.mzhd01.com/red_pics/DSC_0002.jpg

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

Hi is this PL mount made specialy for your Angenieux ?

[Michael Schrengohst]

I don't know...
I bought the lens with the mount on it.
It screws on. I have not found
another mount like it.....
Only time will tell if it work on the RED.

[Tom Lowe]

Eh... frankly after getting a set of standard primes, I can't really see using the Angenieux much, so I'm not sure how much more testing I'll do with it.

You'd want to fake a candle lit scene with this lens... and the noise would be too much at 1000ASA.

-CJ

Yeah, I was wondering if you could do a candlelit test with a fast prime.

I've been dying to see that. If you can do it, can you post the footage at 1080p so we can see the noise?

[pensound]

it's PL converter for Angenieux zoom!
I want this...

[Stephen Williams]

[QUOTE=The Third Man;100681]Here is the King of all 25-250mm lenses and it's about Rank Optics Taylor-Hobson Cooke Cine Varotal T4
even if Stephen (http://www.reduser.net/forum/member.php?u=379) is trying all the time to degrade this lens preformance without ANY own scientific test!!! :clown2:

Hi There,

If you want to do a scientific test just pull focus and see it breathe. Its not the F2.8 Superman Lens that you claimed. It does not look anything like the picture you posted. It was always very clear what lens you had bought.

Out of interest when did I try to degrade the performance of the MK1 Cooke, it's an ideal beauty lens, horses for courses.

Stephen

EDIT If you put your lens on a Projector take a look at what happens about 170mm

[Stephen Williams]

Hi Chuck,

This is what happened to my 25-250

[CJ Roy]

That's pretty cool Stephen.

[Shawn Nelson]

Well I'll have you know that this test led me to hunt down and buy one myself! It's on its way to me now. Even though I own the Red zoom, I'm really looking forward to how this lens looks for the right project.

[Omar Saad]

I really liked the look from CJ's test as well.

Shawn, if you don't mind me asking, were did you buy from and did you get as good a deal as CJ got?

Omar

[Shawn Nelson]

I really liked the look from CJ's test as well.

Shawn, if you don't mind me asking, were did you buy from and did you get as good a deal as CJ got?

Omar

I bought mine on eBay, it hasn't come yet.

CJ must have bought a long time ago, because I've been hunting around and it is NOT a $700 lens anymore. Most places it's $1300-$1500 plus a fee to convert to PL mount.

I got mine for just under $900 with PL mount already on it.

[Omar Saad]

I bought mine on eBay, it hasn't come yet.

CJ must have bought a long time ago, because I've been hunting around and it is NOT a $700 lens anymore. Most places it's $1300-$1500 plus a fee to convert to PL mount.

I got mine for just under $900 with PL mount already on it.

Definately a good deal. I just popped on to visualproducts today and it was up to $1500. I need to track one of these down myself.

Looking forward to hopefully seeing some of your tests with it.

Omar

[Luke Boyce]

Got mine from Visual Products. It came in a week ago. Great lens. Some vignetting here and there, but for an old vintage lens, it's seriously not bad.

[Shawn Nelson]

Got mine from Visual Products. It came in a week ago. Great lens. Some vignetting here and there, but for an old vintage lens, it's seriously not bad.

Oh wow! You bought that $1500 one from them? Did you pay them to convert it for you to PL? How much was it? I emailed them and asked them how much to convert and they never replied to my email.

[Luke Boyce]

Oh wow! You bought that $1500 one from them? Did you pay them to convert it for you to PL? How much was it? I emailed them and asked them how much to convert and they never replied to my email.

Yeah, I did. I bought the lens, PL Conversion and a Pelican case for it all for $1850. It took about a week to get it from them cause they cleaned it for me.

[Shawn Nelson]

Yeah, I did. I bought the lens, PL Conversion and a Pelican case for it all for $1850. It took about a week to get it from them cause they cleaned it for me.

Cool! Post footage!

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

will you please post some angenieux red graps ?:huh:

[Michael Schrengohst]

Lenses sold - thanks to all that looked:

Boys,

I got one of those sitting around with a PL mount already on it.
The zoom is a little sticky but otherwise appears to be in good shape.
I was thinking of going to e-bay with it but I have not had the time
to mess with it.
I do mostly editing and had entertained the thought of getting a RED but
I just cannot do it right now.
PM if you want to see some photos.
Ohhh, how much?? - I bought it for $800 last year when I was entertaining
the thought of getting a RED.....the first $750 gets it....
I can send you some of my current e-bay listings and you can see
my 100% approval with 192 feedbacks.....
I also have an Angenieux 20-120 PL mount. This lens is in great condition.This has an arri lens support and zoom and focus gears.
I bought it for $1250. The first $1200 gets it.

[planet e]

i'll take the whole angenieux pkg, if it's not already spoken for...email sent--if you didn't get the e-mail, shoot me one at planete@comcast.net and we'll talk....

[Luke Boyce]

Cool! Post footage!

I haven't actually shot much with it at all, but I'll post something as soon as I do.

[Andrae Palmer]

I love the original 25-250 even with all its problems. The lens has a great organic look. First lens that comes to my mind when thinking of shooting an Epic period film. Some people are into medical lenses... caring about sharpness, contrast, CA, etc. When I look at a lens the first thing that comes to my mind is look... and these look great. Paired with the RED they are also sharp enough. I know Stephen has derided even the 20-120mm Angeneiux which is much sharper than the 25-250. I say take a look at these lenses yourself and judge based on your own aesthetic/technical requirements.

[Michael Panfeld]

I really liked the look of the old Angie 25-250 zoom on the RED One. Has anybody tried this on the EPIC? How about the OP? Thanks

[CJ Roy]

Wow this an old thread...

[Michael Panfeld]

So CJ: Have you tried the 25-250 on the EPIC? Thoughts? Thanks

[Shawn Nelson]

I have! It objectionally vignettes up to about 32mm, but them is useable after that. There is still a visible vignette/falloff, but I think it looks cool.

[Michael Panfeld]

Thanks Shawn. Yeah, I threw mine up on my lens test projector and could see the vignetting at the ends. Post some footage when you get a chance.

[John Fairstein]

...We shot @ 500ASA with the Angenieux 25-250 f3.9 (pre-HR/HP).

I own a nice example that was properly maintained by its previous owner. Of course it is not a modern lens, but I like the look, and used it quite a bit a few years ago on the RED One for a indie feature (still in editing). There is some footage at www.cinescenes.com. Around the time I got it, I remember reading on a blog somewhere that it has two soft points: 75mm and 150mm. The writer also mentioned taking the lens apart and reversing one of the elements which apparently improved the sharpness. I think these older lenses respond gracefully to applying unsharp mask.

[Peter Strietmann]

Also when you close focus you will get heavy vignetting on an epic. I think the image is quite beautiful, not sharp my any means. Also 3.9, you never want to go there, I don't care how soft you like the image. It is easy to confuse the focus with the zoom on this lens. JK...