Red in OZ

[david farland]

Don't know whose interested ( i am) in starting a local Red thread with view to sharing local info, resources, bit of networking, helping out in emergencies, or just say hi once every 6 months.

DF

[Terry Delahunt]

Sounds like a good idea. We would be keen to make contact with other locals who are interested in RED.

David I have sent you a PM.

[Cail Young]

Certainly a backup network similar to those being proposed overseas would be a great idea!

[Alister Robbie]

We are keeping an eye on all things Red for the moment.

Cheers

Alister

Alister Robbie
Editor / Post Production Supervisor
Blue Fish Productions
Melbourne
http://www.bluefish.com.au

[David Limpus]

Definately interested in some comunication. Especially for you guys with the 3 digit reservations in your initial finding from an Oz point of view.

Anyone got a ruling from customs yet on importing of the red one and lens?

and is anyone going to the SMPTE 4K DI workflow displayed on a 4K cinema projector in Melboune or Sydney put on by Quantel and Sony in association with Park Road Post ?

[Cail Young]

and is anyone going to the SMPTE 4K DI workflow displayed on a 4K cinema projector in Melboune or Sydney put on by Quantel and Sony in association with Park Road Post ?

When is this? I hadn't heard a peep about that.

[David Limpus]

I got a email on sunday from smpte Australia . It says smpte members and guests in the flyer.

Additional information

"See the Quantels Pablo 4K colour grading system going through its paces in true 4K resolution and Sonys SXRD 4K Cinema projector showing what 4K cinema projection will look like in the very near future."

Melbourne Tuesday 20th Feb 07 Sydney Tuesday 27th Feb 07

[david farland]

Thanks for that. Sounds interesting and will try and be there in Sydney.

DF

[Daniel Walding]

im another one interested in all things red. im from canberra and would definately be interested in any sort of network, contact, etc. The 4k screening sounds very interesting as well.

cheers,

DW

[Cam McGrath]

Count me in on that!

cheers, cam

[david farland]

Thought I be Johnny on the spot and post the link to the SMPTE Quantel 4K demo page:

http://www.smpte.org.au/index.asp

Note down the bottom, rsvp essential….

On a RED note, anyone have a notion how we can see Red footage when the cameras start shipping?

DF

[Dan Graetz]

colour me interested . . .
would be great to know what kits people are getting together (lenses, support, post workflow etc.)

[Brainstorm]

Howdy folks...

I'm interested in keeping up to date with local RED developments too. I'll be at the SMPTE meeting at Film Australia on Feb 27th and will be keeping an eye & ear out for anybody who's talking RED!

Cheers
brainstorm

[WesG]

howdy,

I plan to check out the SMPTE 4K showing in Melbourne next Tuesday.

Anyone want to catch up before hand post here or email me at
wes@naluproductions.com

cheers


RED #179

[Paul Moss]

howdy Oz players....
Great to see there are a few keen Oz RED users out there.
I have been talking to my web hosting service about starting up a user forum specifically for RED users here in OZ.
i'm wrapping up on a big shoot i the next few weeks, so i will get stuck into the creation of a forum site here in Oz in the next few weeks.
i'll keep an eye out for any RED freaks at the SMPTE show:wink:
see you there
Paul

[david farland]

Just wondering if anyone who went to the Melbourne 4K demo can give a brief report, kit, processes, ough waw 4K looked awesome etc etc.
DF

[WesG]

sorry can't report - had a few commitments change and didn't make it - doh

anyone else??

[Brainstorm]

Just wondering if any of the Australian RED buyers have checked whether GST and/or import duty will be charged when their cameras get shipped to OZ?

I haven't paid either for a long time because I've always snuck gear in amongst a whole bunch of other equipment that's listed on a Carnet. Obviously that won't be possible if I order a RED when NAB gets underway :-)

[david farland]

Excellent question.
I thought about it a way back and have forgotten about it since. My company's GST registered so GST's okay for me. Import duty??
DF

[david farland]

Good to meet you at SMPTE, Brainstorm. Good demo of Quantel Pablo 4K online system. Didn't get a price but a few $A100,000 was mentioned.

The Sony 4K projector ($A160,000) didn't blow my socks off even on Mystic India. Could have been some weird shit on setup or maybe it wasn't full 4K. I worked out my viewing angle of the screen was 130 degrees which says I should be seeing full rez 4K.....maybe I'm going blind.
Interesting to note the Sony 4K projector needs 4 dual HD-SDI connections to drive it. Also interesting that AFTRS has purchased a sony 4K projector and who was that cinema in Melbourne?.....Crown??
DF

[David Limpus]

Seek professional advice.

but what I go so far from the the web is
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/WCO_2007_Tariff_Changes_Bill.pdf
and search for 8525.80 I hope it is classed as 8525.80.10 ---Digital cameras Free

But I guess we need to ring some one on this list http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/HS2007Contacts.pdf
Let us know what you end up with.

David

[Brainstorm]

Good to meet you at SMPTE, Brainstorm. Good demo of Quantel Pablo 4K online system. Didn't get a price but a few $A100,000 was mentioned.

The Sony 4K projector ($A160,000) didn't blow my socks off even on Mystic India. Could have been some weird shit on setup or maybe it wasn't full 4K. I worked out my viewing angle of the screen was 130 degrees which says I should be seeing full rez 4K.....maybe I'm going blind.
Interesting to note the Sony 4K projector needs 4 dual HD-SDI connections to drive it. Also interesting that AFTRS has purchased a sony 4K projector and who was that cinema in Melbourne?.....Crown??
DF

Likewise David. I enjoyed chatting with you too!

I suspect the Quantel Pablo system would be well over the half-million $ mark. I've been doing some work for a production in New Zealand over recent years and they just installed a new Quantel iQ system in their online suite. Even that has a list price above that, and it can't handle 4K.

I was really impressed by the images of the Sony 4K projector, even when it running pics shot at 1080. I don't recall which cinema it was in Melbourne that purchased one.

Also, did you know that Broadcom (in Artarmon) have a 2K cinema which can be hired for screenings, watching rushes, crew viewings, etc? Could be handy when you get your RED and want to see some images projected.

[Brainstorm]

Seek professional advice.

but what I go so far from the the web is
http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/WCO_2007_Tariff_Changes_Bill.pdf
and search for 8525.80 I hope it is classed as 8525.80.10 ---Digital cameras Free

But I guess we need to ring some one on this list http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/HS2007Contacts.pdf
Let us know what you end up with.

David

Thanks for that info Djtech.

[Casey Green]

Just a quick note:

Australia Rocks! I'm over here for a couple of weeks (from L.A.), and I just have to say how incredible the first few days have been.

You Aussie's know a good time and are laid back and very cool. Sydney is amazing... and Cronulla beach is a great time.

looking forward to the rest of our stay... which may include Bondi, Hunter Valley, the Blue Mountains, and Darling Harbor... we'll see where the adventure takes us...

Rock on. :mellow:

[Brainstorm]

Just a quick note:

Australia Rocks! I'm over here for a couple of weeks (from L.A.), and I just have to say how incredible the first few days have been.

You Aussie's know a good time and are laid back and very cool. Sydney is amazing... and Cronulla beach is a great time.

looking forward to the rest of our stay... which may include Bondi, Hunter Valley, the Blue Mountains, and Darling Harbor... we'll see where the adventure takes us...

Rock on. :mellow:


Happy to hear you're having a good time Casey! I forget to tell you before, if you want to know what music is on around the city's bars and clubs, go down to a record store and pick up a copy of one of the free gig guides, like 'Drum Media' or '3D'. They'll tell you what's on.

Cheers
Brainstorm

[Cail Young]

I don't recall which cinema it was in Melbourne that purchased one.

The Capitol Theatre, owned by RMIT - exciting, since I know some of the AVS guys there who spoke very highly of the projector. They haven't, however, purchased a playback server (e.g. QuVis); I think they're waiting for a slightly cheaper alternative.

[Mike Seymour]

I'd be interested in any local Oz Red group.

I am camera 22 - so we are looking good for NAB timeframe

Mike

[Casey Green]

just an update: Had an incredible time in Sydney and the surrounding areas. We made it up to the Blue Mountains, Hunter Valley, Bondi, The Rocks, Opera House, Harbor Bridge, etc.... and stayed both at Cronulla Beach and then at Darling Harbor...

What a beautiful city and country.

Thanks to everyone who gave advice on places to visit.

We'll definitely come back...

Cheers,

-CG

:usd:

[Steve Gibby]

I'll second that Casey. I've been all over Oz on several extended production trips. Can't wait to go back...

[Casey Green]

Gibby,

Yep, we just got back (still on Aussie time as you can see) and already I'd love to go back... It was a perfect time of year to visit, just gorgeous.

Oh, and one other great stop was the IMAX theatre in Darling Harbor... which is the world's largest. They had some great films playing and while I was watching , I couldn't help but think of what Red 4K would look like on that large a screen...

[Steve Gibby]

RED 4k -> IMAX = way cool!

[david farland]

I heard someone say (Graeme, i think) that IMAX was an experience at 4:3 with 65/70mm depths of field. Meaning as well as the 3D effect, you're drawn in to this small, in focus field, in the middle of the screen with all the rest for effect.
But yeah, I take my 4 year old there a bit and love to see him reach out and try to touch the 'image'. Very glad you had a nice time in Oz.

DF

[david farland]

Mike,
Nice fx site......

Be great to start a local user group for a bucket load of reasons.
I guess the first thing is we're distributed over a bit of land, but a little thing like that shouldn't stop us.

I'm sure we all want to see a RED camera or show what it can do.

Maybe as well as this thread we could get an email list of people interested in Red.
Get a demo or screening arranged. Whatever you want. thoughts/ideas?

cheers,

DF

[Mike Seymour]

Here are a few thoughts:

1. it is really important to educate producers to use the RED, more importantly to be comfortable with a data workflow.

2. It will be important to any producer that there are other Red cameras around - for backup.

3. It would be great to be able to cross hire some options - in case everyone does not have every option.

4. It would be nice to get a sensible idea on rental rates (day rates) so we can afford to invest further.

5. There will be a huge roll in educating camera assistants and DOPs, working with the ACS etc ...

6. There will be fun to be had showing and testing Red on Stedicams / milos / etc etc

7. Workflow - storage and file systems will all be critical - we are already looking at a Codex box.

At the moment I know of

camera 21 - NZ
camera 22 - me
camera 444 - david farland

As we will get one of the first cameras - clearly it would be great to get any other Red Users - who are still waiting - to get some hands on time - and build a local community.

Pur attititude is very clear - there is much much more to be gained by sharing and working together to educate the market - than competiting. I did work on promoting the original Panavision 900 HDCAM - and that openned my eyes to how much education is need to make producers come around. While we may see a 4k tapeless workflow as ground breaking - most will see it as unproven and risky.

Anything we can do to make the workflow seem stable - accepted and tested the better.

I suggest SMPTE in July could be perfect for a major Red user event. After NAb we should look to get as many key players involved as possible - this includes NLE, telecine graders, DOPs etc etc. I'd love to show Red from Camera to DaVinci grade etc...

Education will be everything, well education and co-operation.

Internally we will also we working with Red users in NY and LA.

What do you think?

Is this the best place to formulate the plan - or would you and others like us to take it off line ? I'd like to see non-owners as included as possible - it isnt about ownership - its about professional workflow and production solutions.

Mike

[david farland]

Mike,
You’ve brought up a lot of good points here……practically a Sony/Panasonic marketing plan without the actual sales requirements. You mention very practical support requirements for the camera.

Education
Support infrastructure
Professional workflow
Production techniques

There is a mix of technical focus and experience of people wishing to know about and be involved with RED.

For now I think we should discuss this in the RED forum mainly because there a so many eyes reading who can contribute ideas.
I think you’ve raised some important points that have not been answered in the RED forum and that would benefit all local user groups i.e., technical support, user training.
I’m hoping RED Inc. also helps out in these regards but there’s not substitute for practical experience.

Anyone else want add or flesh out an area that should be covered or initiative undertaken or just say what they want to get out of this group?

Cheers,

Dave,

[Mike Seymour]

Agreed lets talk here - and you know the RED community is a huge benefit of the RED... but I really believe that sharing and working together is the key to quick update in the broad production community.

We are also looking at doing some international joint education stuff...

Interestingly - there is a production RED camera lecture at NAB - in the main NAB program ...
Anyone know who is doing this ?

Mike

[Cail Young]

At the moment I know of

camera 21 - NZ
camera 22 - me
camera 444 - david farland

242 here, I know 241 is in Melbourne as well but it isn't ours, and there's a #1xx as well to my knowledge.

An education campaign is a great idea; and anything that helps bring producers around has my full support. I know it's been hard enough without any hard evidence to convince people of the potential, I don't imagine it will be magically easier once I've got a camera in my hands.

[Mike Seymour]

242 here, I know 241 is in Melbourne as well but it isn't ours, and there's a #1xx as well to my knowledge.

An education campaign is a great idea; and anything that helps bring producers around has my full support. I know it's been hard enough without any hard evidence to convince people of the potential, I don't imagine it will be magically easier once I've got a camera in my hands.

Excellent..

Here is my 2 C... for many productions - the rental price is well useful - but as it is not going to be the Panavision Genesis A$5000 a day - it will be fine.. more to the point - it wont be an issue... (great for us of course - but I am now putting my self in the place of a producer looking to use the camera)

The 4K will be great - but again frankly you'd have to think people are very unlikely to use 4K - they will use 2K or HD - but rarely 4K... of course image quality will be a big issues - but I dont think it will be the primary issue...

Being able to shoot digital is great - since there are no film stock, processing or transfer costs... but the biggest issue I am guessing will be..

Risk - how is this going to work?... who knows how to operate with it ?... how will I edit, grade ?- how will we do rushes ? what happens if something goes wrong on set ?... are there any unexpected issues ? Can we fit it to a steadicam/hot head/car mount/crane.. and most of all - this is tapeless - so how do we shoot - how do we do mag changes etc... "it is all so different to what we are used to and what we know works"...

The other key aspect will be testing - watch EVERYONE wil want to take the camera and do tests... side by side, exposure etc etc - if we could bunch a few of these tests - so they were done with say the ACS - then we could save weeks if not months of endless test and no actual production.

When the 900 came out - everyone and their dog wanted to borrow the cameras for free and test them.

Mike

[Brainstorm]

Thought you'd all be interested to know that Lemac in Artarmon have also got reservations for two REDs... and they will be going into their hire stock. I was talking to their sales guy the other day and he mentioned the reservation numbers. I don't recall what they were, but I'm sure they were both under 1000.

This will be a handy back-up if anyone shooting with their own RED runs into technical problems and needs another camera ASAP.... or requires a second or third RED camera for a multi-camera shoot. Might also be a good source of technical support in the long run.

Cheers
Brainstorm

[Cail Young]

Thought you'd all be interested to know that Lemac in Artarmon have also got reservations for two REDs... and they will be going into their hire stock. I was talking to their sales guy the other day and he mentioned the reservation numbers. I don't recall what they were, but I'm sure they were both under 1000.

They will be under 100; the reservations were made at NAB 2006 to my knowledge.

[Mike Seymour]

excellent - it would be great to know their numbers...

Mike

[Cam Crowley]

Hi to the Oz RED users. Just letting you know that I've been following RED since it's inception but didn't take the plunge until reservations opened up again in January - so I've got #1103 which I don't expect to get until Aug/Sept but I keep my fingers crossed that it will be earlier.

Just letting you know who's out there in Oz with a reservation. I'm currently based in Melbourne but am prone to travel!

Cheers

Cam

[david farland]

All,

I've put done a list of topics our local user group may or may not concern it's self about.
I've got these from what I've read on this thread plus a few more.
Please jump in and add, edit however you wish. I've expanded Education as example.

1. Education – who, what, resources, etc.
• Who – producers, camera assistants, DOPs, production & hire companies, professional organisations, Red owners, other private individual & organisations.
• What – basic & advanced user training, data work flow, backup, online storage & file systems
• Resources – Red Inc. & dealer network, professional organizations (e.g. SMPTE), other user (local & o/s)

2. Support infrastructure – technical support; replacement, etc

3. Professional workflow – capture, offline, online, using Redcine, software/hardware workflow products, post houses, screening, etc.

4. Production techniques - etc

5. Commercials - rates, shipping, insurance, hire accessory & support requirements, etc.

6. General – list of owners, etc.


cheers,
Dave

[Paul Leeming]

Just thought I'd say g'day too!

I'm an Aussie but I have recently moved to Tokyo to make films. Although I'm based in Japan I have most of my film friends etc still in Australia so there is some chance that my camera will end up being hired down there. On the flip side of that I'm the only person with a Red in Japan so it may well be booked solid here for a long time to come (fingers crossed)!

Anyway, if anyone here is traveling to Japan in the near future don't hesitate to look me up for a beer or two, you never know when you might get to film up here and if you do then you have a local Red camera ready to go!

cheers,

Paul

[Scott Webster]

G'day

Happy to be part of any ANZAC Red initiative. We are NZ's largest (video) rental house and will be taking delivery of an early Red (23). Our main focus will be on 2/3" B4 Cine HD /ENG HD production due to the lack of cine lenses in the short term. We have interest from major NZ post houses in being involved in testing of the camera and workflow. I know of 4 confirmed camera orders in NZ but I expect there are more that haven't gone public yet.

We probably won't be comfortable renting the camera until our 2nd body arrives or we have confirmed cross-hire options.

It will be interesting to see if an Australasian distributor/service agent is appointed for the region

[Brainstorm]

G'day

Happy to be part of any ANZAC Red initiative.

Howdy Rocketeer,

Any NZ'er is welcome as far as I'm concerned. I've worked in NZ a number of times of the past few years and I love the place! Now that I'm back in OZ though, can we swap prime ministers? I'm sure you'd love to see our wonderful "Little Johnie" doing his daily power walk across the Southern Alps.

Now, how could we arrange a well-timed avalanche?

Cheers
Brainstorm

[david farland]

Hello, My name is David. I'm a Kiwi.

DF

[Paul Leeming]

I know of 4 confirmed camera orders in NZ but I expect there are more that haven't gone public yet.
Are you counting Peter Jackson in those 4 confirmed orders? If not, you better make it at least 5 ;)

[Scott Webster]

Are you counting Peter Jackson in those 4 confirmed orders? If not, you better make it at least 5 ;)

When we take our camera out to Park Road I'll make sure to ask him ;)
And when James Cameron arrives I'll see if they want to have a Reduser evening LOL

[RED Russians]

Hi all, OzRED is a great idea. I'm intending to go Canon glass. Was thinking of Nikon but if Birger deliver at NAB then I'm Canonising. Any thoughts? Great to be in touch. I'm #241.

[Scott Webster]

I've started a Red 23 blog (http://redcamera23.blogspot.com/).
I'm new to blogging so if anyone has any tips, shout out.

[david farland]

Good luck with the site.
Hope it goes very well.

Dave,

[ChristopherKenworthy]

Hello everybody. The subject of Import Duties came up a while ago, but didn't seem to be answered. I rang Customs, and asked whether the Free Trade Agreement helped at all in reducing Import Duty, and was surprised to be told that it doesn't even come into it as duty isn't charged on cameras. Duty is only applied to goods that are already manufactured here (she said), and therefore cameras have no Duty charge. They do, however, have GST. I didn't get around to asking about the various batteries and so on, but I imagine it's the same story. So, GST is painless for those who are registered, and there's no duty. Good news. I'll check again, as this was just one person, and I wouldn't mind it in writing.

[Paul Moss]

Howdy all....
Just been reading through the posts here in the Oz section.
Great idea Mikes to build up a local collective of RED users.
I guess one of my first questions is, does everyone intend to hire out there RED camera, and if so i think we need to start looking at setting some ball park rental rates, depending on what kit we buy from RED....?
I noticed one place in NZ called Rubber Monkey, that already has the camera listed on there site and has a rental rate of $370NZ P/D.......!
That seems awfully cheap to me....? what do you guys think...?
http://www.rubbermonkey.co.nz/rental_catalogue.asp

It would be a great idea as Mikes mentioned to try and get a group of RED owners together once some RED cameras have been delivered.
My suggestion would be to put on a bit of a demo day/night for anyone & everyone to come along & see how this thing works.(DP's,AC's,Prod & Dir & Editors).
I'm sure the ACS here in Sydney would love to do a demo night with the RED camera. They are usually very accommodating
Next thought......
I wonder if RED HQ will be offering authorized service centers around the world eventually....? you know.....someone goes and does a 2 week intensive tech course with the RED boffins, and becomes a qualified RED-TECH here in Oz.....i hope so...!

Sorry guys i know im all over the place, but i'm just throwing it all out there as it comes to mind.....

cheers
Moscow

[david farland]

Paul,
When you say ACS would love to put on a show, what resources would you hope they’d provide? I think someone also mentioned SMPTE in June. Venue, screen, projector, advertising come to mind.
With regards to cross camera hire/share etc I’ve had little experience here.
But here are a few thoughts.
I like the idea and feel if there was an opportunity within a local RED community to share RED cameras…then knowing I have a backup is important.
If that backup costs or doesn’t is secondary, as long as it’s available!
Also knowing some of my shoots I can plan on using 2 REDs instead of one, is an attractive idea particularly if the only cost was offset by lending out my RED for a week the previous month. Also reduced rates to participants works for me even thou this starts to get a bit ‘funny’.

The key one for me is risk/insurance and key to that is if I had a shoot coming up would I feel like lending it out a couple of days before. Hell I don’t even like lending out my HDV’s to friends who I think won’t treat them as well as myself or it would be a bother getting them repaired. But these things I’m sure have work arounds and would love to hear from people that have made it work.


Cheers,
Dave

[GeoffreyRDavis]

Love your blog Rocketeer and loving this whole OZ thread.

We shot our very first feature on Sony HD900 and from the lessons learned in that production we would love to actually "own" the camera & lighting gear for our next production.

RED looks as if it might help us solve that problem.

I am finding that these forums are answering questions as quickly as I can ask them and that is great. What I am really looking forward to is some hands on training, so I am definitely looking forward to some annnouncements on Education ....

One question ... is anyone from this forum going to NAB?

[GeoffreyRDavis]

Love this thread. Thanks for starting it David

[david farland]

don't blame me....it was Jarred's idea

[Scott Webster]

I'm expecting NZ to have a minimum of 10-20 Reds on the ground and due to our very small production slate of local TV drama and features the rate here will be competitive.

[Steve Gibby]

I checked the new blog...very cool.

I'll visit it regularly, because I make frequent Southern Hemisphere trips.

I'll come to Oz and NZ as often as possible...

C-ya at NAB Rocketeer!

[Scott Webster]

OK ANZAC's. Jim Jannard and Jarred Land are in Wellington as I type with a prototype doing camera tests with Peter Jackson. I'd love a shot of the Oakley Lear on the Wellington Airport tarmac as proof but my sources are 100% reliable.

[Dan Graetz]

I agree with Paul - it would be great to discuss rental rates & packages. I know Lemac has 2 Reds on order (low res #'s) - will be interesting to see how they price and package things. Anyone know of any other Brisbane reservation holders?

I've been stalking ebay in preparation for the arrival of my Red One - so far I've got a pretty comprehensive Nikon manual SLR kit, Ronford Hi & Lo legs, and a Worral geared head. Planning on picking up a P+S Technick SkaterMini dolly at NAB as well. Would be great to find out what kits people are putting together.

Rocketeer - I had found a tender auction on graysonline.co.nz for an NZ film company that had gone into liquidation. Missed the closing date as I was overseas. They had everything from an Arri 435 to lens kits & follow focus. Have you heard about this? If there's anything left I'd certainly be interested.

I'll be at NAB - would love to catch up with anyone else who's going. I'll be at the Apple event on the 15th as well - looking forward to seeing what post workflow will emerge - hopefully 4k capable.

Loving the OZ thread - thanks to all who are contributing.

[Scott Webster]

All tenders for the Silverscreen liquidation were rejected. The liquidators were not happy with what they were offered. I understand they are looking at repackaging the equipment into kits and either auctioning or tendering the equipment that way.

Feedback from DOP's has been that the gear is old and some of the lenses are a bit ropey.

Having said that this is the same gear that Silverscreen shot award winning commercials on. I don't think the Liquidators realise that this is probably the worse possible time to offload film gear!

I'm hoping for a Red prime lens set to be announced at NAB. I would rather wait for lenses specifically designed for the camera than take a risk on used cine glass. Or we will wait for lens tests to come through from other users.

[Jess Charlton]

OK ANZAC's. Jim Jannard and Jarred Land are in Wellington as I type with a prototype doing camera tests with Peter Jackson. I'd love a shot of the Oakley Lear on the Wellington Airport tarmac as proof but my sources are 100% reliable.

I got one! I can email it to you if you like?

[Scott Webster]

I got one! I can email it to you if you like?

You have to ask:biggrin:

[Sanjin Jukic]

OK ANZAC's. Jim Jannard and Jarred Land are in Wellington as I type with a prototype doing camera tests with Peter Jackson. I'd love a shot of the Oakley Lear on the Wellington Airport tarmac as proof but my sources are 100% reliable.

What are the Wellington's paparazzies doing now? Where are the pictures online? JJ, JL, PJ or the RED tests in NZ...?

http://www.asni.net/king%20kong%20(10).jpg
This one still did not make any shot...? Just watching...!!!


http://www.asni.net/king%20kong%20(17).jpg
Under Tight Security or the bodyguards are working hard on the R-E-D carpet...?

[Paul Moss]

Hey guys....
Yeah i saw all that NZ gear at Grays online auction house.......
there was a lot of kit there for sale....! would have loved the Arri MB-18 and follow focus. some lenses would have been nice too, but sounds as thought some were a bit average.
Talking lenses for the RED, i've been looking at the Optar Elite S16 prime set.
http://www.cinematechnic.com/products/optar_illumina_lenses.html
I figure i'll only be shooting 2K RAW for the time being, and the Optar glass seems affordable, although if RED do a prime set i could definitly be swayed..!
A good S16 zoom would complete the kit, and maybe a Canon 300mm PL mount.
Re other piece's for the Kit, i'm looking at a Chrosziel S16 swing away matte box & follow focus now, lighter weight than the Arri...
i'm kicking myself because i just sold my 7+7 Sachtler head and 3 sets of legs.....:poster_oops:
Most of my work will be Doco, TVC & Music Vid & the odd Short here and there, so the S16 style set up suits my needs.
Nothing i do would need to be 'Archived' so to speak, by shooting 4K.
nice chatting
Paul

[Jess Charlton]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1469_1175250992.jpg

Ok, here's proof that the Oakley jet was in Wellington today. :blink:

[david farland]

Nice one!

[Sanjin Jukic]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1469_1175250992.jpg

Ok, here's proof that the Oakley jet was in Wellington today. :blink:

Elf NZ's Paparazzi, great shot !!!

[RED Russians]

I know 241 is in Melbourne as well but it isn't ours
It's mine! Michael Andre from 2 Mad Russians based next to La Trobe Uni.:biggrin:

[Cail Young]

It's mine! Michael Andre from 2 Mad Russians based next to La Trobe Uni.:biggrin:

Weird, eh? We'll have to meet up in a couple months and compare cameras :)

[RED Russians]

Yeah, I thought so too. Definitely, lets catch up.

[Mike Seymour]

So guys I spoke to Ted last week at RED
Subject to confirmation he is keen to attend and help with the first Australian RED user group meeting at SMPTE in Sydney.

I touched base with Aust SMPTE and I will have more - and then give the details to Ted at NAB.

I want to have this as a team effort - I dont want to be seen to be trying to push the group in any direction - but I figured this was the correct first steps
Can we set up a "steering committee" or core group to make this happen and keep it RED USER friendly?

I really dont want to be 'running' anything - but I'm well place to organise things further if the group wants it

Mike

[WesG]

That's great Mike. You can register my vote to get TED downunder.

I'm based in Vico but I'd be keen to attend if it came together.

Maybe this could consitute the first "Red in OZ" meeting??

[Scott Webster]

So guys I spoke to Ted last week at RED
Subject to confirmation he is keen to attend and help with the first Australian RED user group meeting at SMPTE in Sydney.

I touched base with Aust SMPTE and I will have more - and then give the details to Ted at NAB.

I want to have this as a team effort - I dont want to be seen to be trying to push the group in any direction - but I figured this was the correct first steps
Can we set up a "steering committee" or core group to make this happen and keep it RED USER friendly?

I really dont want to be 'running' anything - but I'm well place to organise things further if the group wants it

Mike

I know JB at Lemac has a couple of early reservations. Do you want facilities and ACS involved or are you keeping it independent?

[Mike Seymour]

I know JB at Lemac has a couple of early reservations. Do you want facilities and ACS involved or are you keeping it independent?

No, I know JB - He's great ! - John and any others are very welcome. I think we need to be open to all.

Mike

[david farland]

Mike,
Great work keep it up.....please!!

Here are the details for the SMPTE07 Conference Scheduled for July 17-20 at Sydney, Darling Harbour.

http://smpte.org.au/conferences.asp

and here is Richard Kaub contact details:

http://smpte.org.au/smpte07papers.asp

I was also speaking to John Maisels (SMPTE) who said Ted will need to contact Richard in the next few days with details of the 'paper' he wishes present at the SMPTE07 conference.
He said there are still a few spots open and feels Ted will have no problem getting on the speaker list but needs to contact Richard in the next few days. He mentioned SMPTE couldn't fund Ted expenses.

On another note there seems to be a bucket load of questions regarding support/training of RED which hopefully will be answered at NAB/directions. I'm expecting/hoping that hands on experience of RED is a one de facto task the RED User group (RUG) can provide. Be interested in hearing what everyone wants the group to provide.
The first one I can think of is a group of us working with the camera for a day on inside & outside locations looking at field monitors and later 4K.
I wonder if Sony would be interested in providing their 4K projector. Tricky, but I know someone in Sony marketing and will ask.
Anyway be great to hear what other want....what activities/directions people wish the group to go?
Cheers,
Dave,

[M Olsen]

I know JB at Lemac has a couple of early reservations. Do you want facilities and ACS involved or are you keeping it independent?
Not sure if this has been clarified with Rocketeer, but are Kiwi REDs welcome to "interface" with Australia ? It could well make sense given how often we get equipment over from you guys when the heat is on here.

[david farland]

Fully 'paid up' members as far as I'm concerned, thou a dozen Bluff oysters wouldn't go astray!!

[M Olsen]

Fully 'paid up' members as far as I'm concerned, thou a dozen Bluff oysters wouldn't go astray!!

Fair swap for a Barramundi !!

[Alister Robbie]

Hey all,

I am a bit late to this thread, but thought I would throw in a post and say hi.
We have not reserved a red yet, but I have a feeling it is on the cards before the year is out.

I am keen to catch up with you all at SMPTE in June if you are meeting and discuss this all futher.

Anyway, keep us informed of plans for the meeting at SMPTE, and I will be sure to see you there.

Thanks people - this is a great thread.

Cheers

Alister
Post Production Supervisor
Blue Fish Productions

[Brainstorm]

Welcome aboard Alister! :w00t:

[GeoffreyRDavis]

"I am keen to catch up with you all at SMPTE in June if you are meeting and discuss this all futher." from Projectsplat

sounds good except I think it's in July ... from the website ....

SMPTE07: It's All About Access
Scheduled for July 17-20 at Sydney’s Darling Harbour, the theme for SMPTE07 is ‘Access’.

I wouldn't mention it but I am just as likely to turn up in July and be told ... actuallly this is not the real SMPTE ... that was last week!!!

It's July right?

[Brainstorm]

Yeah.. it's in July.

[Alister Robbie]

whoops. my bad. cheers for the correction.

al

[Mike Seymour]

Just an update.
I have spoken to SMPTE papers chair and I have emailed Ted.
If Ted can make it we can still get a paper into SMPTE - they are been very open and helpful. (officially papers have closed).

If Ted comes - or even if he does not, - we will hold a user group workshop in July - to tie in with SMPTE,.. so what is wanted?
I assume
a) a 'fake' shoot - perhaps outside at Darling Harbour ? Or do we want
b) a discussion get together with some sort of presentation?
c) a studio session away from Darling Harbour - at say a sound stage ?
d) A paper giving a formal discussion of the workflow and showing red footage (even if Ted can't make it )
e) all of the above is not a good answer :-)

As I said I would welcome a steering committee approach on this - so we all have a voice and we share the decision making.

But for now I will keep moving forward and report back to the group here- if thats OK?

mike

[Alister Robbie]

mike,

there are some great suggestions there. I am keen on the fake shoots and the idea of a brief paper followed by a lengthy discussion - over a bottle or two of red?? :biggrin:

another suggestion, and potentially one for another gathering, would be to look at the post production end of the workflow, and possibly get our hands dirty there.

since most people in australia would probably be downconverting the 4k Red RAW straight to 2k, 1080p or worse, it would be great to drag along a Mac Pro and ingest the footage shot, process it from RAW, and see how it looks out the other end of the workflow.

my biggest reason for get involved in all of this at the early stage (without a reservation) is that once people have gone out and shot this stuff, there is going to need to be someone who knows what to do with it at the other end.

I went through this last time with Varicam and more recently with P2, so this time I am keen to get on top of this before someone turns up with a project they have shot, and start wondering what the hell they are going to do in post.

as I mentioned, this initial meeting might not be the right time to add post production to the discussion, but it would be good to put this on the table for consideration.

cheers

alister
edit - mike, i like the idea of a steering committee, as i would hate to see your time burned up attempting to keep this running. i am not sure that I would be the right person to be part of a steering committee, but I am willing to invest some time and effort into helping this get off the ground.

[david farland]

Thanks very much for that Mike…..great work!!

Ted at SMPTE (Aust) would be good and have him attending a Red user group meeting is excellent. I’m sure you’ll keep us posted.

If at all possible I’m interested in what measures we could use that would keep this Downunder user group regionally open & accessible to all round here. It’s difficult as the REDUSER forum here provides a lot of general RED advice to all and in the main we probably needn’t be mirroring what’s going on in the main reduser forum. Going back to what Mike said about education would be key because I think post NAB the interested parties will increase, so demos and presentations are great. However this may be great for Sydney all & sundry but doesn’t help the rest of the group.

We still need to work out the eGroup notion. Another thing I was thinking about all these user groups round the globe and thinking that most of them will have similar problems and could benefit from a common user group plan with resources i.e. presentation material, etc which could be reused within the local groups.

Another thing is condensed tech documentation/training materials/resource information etc particularly when interested parties want information on RED. I’m hoping a lot will come out at/post NAB. I think the more accessible this information is the quicker RED will be taken up in the community. Stuff such as workflow as Alister mentioned. As we all now most of this stuff requires trawling through the RED forum/s. I’m imagining workflow will be worked out globally but proving and looking at results could be a local initiative i.e, showing different formats/codecs side by side on screen. Also list of local post house, screening venues sympathetic (or not) to the group would be valuable. And as mentioned other local information such as importing, insurance, rates for RED camera, accessory hire i.e. best place to go and rent a couple of Zeiss primes for the weekend if I wish.

Stop raving Dave…..

You know want might be useful if others are inclined…..a list of people interested in RED that we could pass round via email so people if they wanted could get in touch, have a chat with others in their area. Also be the beginning of this RED user group.

I can start – Send me an email to david@farland.com and include whatever contact details you wish i.e. real or forum name, city, telephone or email. Name & city is just fine! I’ll post (BCC) it round say fortnightly/monthly for a while, just while we’re setting up. It’s a start…..

Anyone feel like hosting an Australasian user group website sometime….

Rave stopped.

Dave,

[GeoffreyRDavis]

With regards to ...

a) a 'fake' shoot - perhaps outside at Darling Harbour ? Or do we want
b) a discussion get together with some sort of presentation?
c) a studio session away from Darling Harbour - at say a sound stage ?
d) A paper giving a formal discussion of the workflow and showing red footage (even if Ted can't make it )

All of the above mis not a bad answer but if we could only have a selection I would go for the practical every time ... lete's see it happening in front of us rather than read about it ... look touch feel is my preference

so I would love to attend

a) a 'fake' shoot - perhaps outside at Darling Harbour ? Or do we want
-or-
c) a studio session away from Darling Harbour - at say a sound stage ?
-then-
do some download and some edit and then some viewing

Happy easter ...
geoff

[Mike Seymour]

Just so you guys know... I have submitted a paper to SMPTE as a 'placeholder' it is a long story, but it is to lock in a slot (applications have now closed)- while we discuss things at NAB - so anyway I have submitted a paper. I only say this to you guys, as clearly - if at some point this is published on the net - you guys dont go: " Hey why is HE down for a paper".

In summary: things are happening - it is important to pencil something in as we solve the details.

Mike

[Brainstorm]

Thanks for getting the ball in motion Mike.

[Paul Moss]

Mike,
A user group workshop is a top idea.
I think a presentation of some description should come first, to help get everyone up to speed on the latest developments etc, and also a good opportunity for us to put a few names to faces and have a brew or two.....
Shooting some footage, outdoors and studio based is a must, and would be a good next step.
Personally i would love to do some really in depth test of the camera. Latitude tests, Green/Blue screen test, PL v's 2/3" v's Nikon Glass, 4K v 2K v 1080P, Film out test, colour grading etc, but i know initially this would be too comprehensive for what your proposing.

Obviously the next thing would be taking the outdoor/studio footage and going through the post work flow procedures.
Then if possible seeing it in all its RED glory projected up on a big screen (2k or 4K) if possible...?

hey thats my two cents worth.....and yes i'd love to help out in any way needed.
have a great time all those lucky enough to get to NAB.....!
Cheers
Mossy

[Jess Charlton]

I’ve been known to fly to Sydney for a workshop, and I’d love to do it again. It’s a great city, and I met loads of good people last time I was there.

Are we thinking of a two-day workshop? It seems like there’s a lot to fit into one day. This is how I could see the schedule panning out:

day one: presentations... mingling... shooting (in smaller groups).

day two: post production workflow...and then projecting sample footage.

I’m fully keen on making a contribution, although I’m not really sure what I can do at this stage, being here in NZ.

[david farland]

Anyone have close connection with AFTRS as they have a Sony 4K projector?

[Mike Seymour]

Just so you know - I agree with the points about 4K and we have already started work on including that in our planning.

More after NAB

Mike

[Scott Webster]

Leave tonight for a few days in SF before roadtrip to Vegas.
Might see you at NAB Mike to get a progress report on how SMPTE is shaping up.

I'm expecting 2007 to be slightly different than THIS (http://web.mac.com/mikedcurtis/iWeb/Site/NAB2006-CrowdDayOne.html)
Photos courtesy of Mike Curtis HDforIndies (http://www.hdforindies.com)

[david farland]

Just so you know - I agree with the points about 4K and we have already started work on including that in our planning.

More after NAB

Mike


What are you talking about?

[Davo]

Hi Folks

New to this thread but eager to collaborate any way we can. A few of us here in Brissie have clubbed together to get #903.

SMPTE get-together is a great idea. Anyone else sign up for a RED here in QLD?

[Mike Seymour]

Hey guys GREAT NEWS.

After talking to Ted yesterday at the show opening - he is 90% sure he will be flying to Sydney for SMPTE, and we joining our workshop / Seminar. He said something may happen - but he is fine for me to post here about it. Ted is slammed (- clearly !!-) and so he has asked me to co-ordinate his trip for him. He will be here for several days. Let me know if you have questions - try and not email him directly unless it is confidential - as I will be co-ordinating things on the ground in Sydney for him. If you guys are reading this right now and have any questions - please post them ASAP as I will be heading back to RED this morning - for another meeting with Ted.

Just to repeat it is not 100% due to co-ordinating with other roll out activities but we are 90% sure it is all good and this will include a 4K screening of RED material.... but details are to follow.

thanks so much

Mike

[Cail Young]

Given Ted will be flying out in early July, can he bring our RED ONE with him? :)

In all seriousness, though, I guess what I'd like to see, hopefully in shipping form by SMPTE, is working FCP6-Color interaction with REDCODE RAW 4K and REDCINE tips.

[David Limpus]

Hi Davo,

What are the plans for #903? In QLD I have only seen FilmNorth #1124 Port Douglas and I hope to be receiving #1100.

David

[Bachman]

Just wondering if any of the Australian RED buyers have checked whether GST and/or import duty will be charged when their cameras get shipped to OZ?

I haven't paid either for a long time because I've always snuck gear in amongst a whole bunch of other equipment that's listed on a Carnet. Obviously that won't be possible if I order a RED when NAB gets underway :-)

Ive bought gear in from OS before, you WILL pay GST, but NO duty.

[Bachman]

Leave tonight for a few days in SF before roadtrip to Vegas.
Might see you at NAB Mike to get a progress report on how SMPTE is shaping up.

I'm expecting 2007 to be slightly different than THIS (http://web.mac.com/mikedcurtis/iWeb/Site/NAB2006-CrowdDayOne.html)
Photos courtesy of Mike Curtis HDforIndies (http://www.hdforindies.com)

Hey Scott, Im from Welly. Now have a Production Company in Perth. Used to hire gear of you guys and know Rocky. We ordered our RED on Thursday.

[Terry Delahunt]

We ordered our RED on Thursday.Hello Bachman, Welcome aboard. Perhaps we should organise a Perth get together, for those interested in RED?

[Paul Moss]

hey guys.....
After reading Mikes post about Ted possibly coming down to Oz for SMPTE, i have made contact with the guys at the ACS here at the NSW branch, to see if they are interested in running a night of some description, and also to see if they can aquire Ted's services while he is here in Oz, to give members and guests a bit of a demo etc.
I am waiting for a response now from the ACS, and then we'll see were we go from there....
cheers
Paul

[Seth Larney]

Anyone feel like hosting an Australasian user group website sometime?.


Hey Dave, I'll sign up for this. I have the resources, should we start thinking about it ?

Sorry I'm coming in so late in this conversation (Keeping up with all the Nab news has been a full time job !). I'm Red# 1084, and am in Sydney. I run a production company here (Chaotic Pictures), and am interested to know if I know anyone here personally (been working on studio pictures at Fox since Matrix Reloaded. I also went to the Quantel 4k screening a few months ago (but didn't meet anyone from the forum)).

I'm extemely interested in this idea of an Aussie support group, I am already in negotiations to implement digital workflows for 2 Aussie feature productions (more of that in next post), and am keen to develop a bit of a family with all you guys.

Seth.
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[Seth Larney]

Hey guys,

I am currently in negotiations to develop and implement fully digital workflows (hopefully with the Red) for 2 up and coming feature productions (My last studio position was Technical Supervisor on Superman Returns). One is to be shot in August, and one in November.

It is still very early days, but the one that is slated to shoot in August is from a fairly big Aussie director. Our camera (#1084) is not scheduled for delivery until early October, so that will rule it out of the first shoot. We would also need 2 cameras for that shoot, as there will be a second unit, and a B-cam when only main unit is shooting.

So my question is, is anybody that is lowish on the res list, interested in having a talk about possibly supplying their rig for this ? The timing is tight, obviously because we don't have a relaible schedule for delivery yet, and have no way to start work on a workflow for a little while at least, but I will need to start bringing resources together soon if I'm to convince them to go Red (They walked out of our last meeting where I screened them the milkgirls footage, saying "if only the camera was going to be here in time) :ninja:

Seth.
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[Scott Webster]

Hey guys,

I am currently in negotiations to develop and implement fully digital workflows (hopefully with the Red) for 2 up and coming feature productions (My last studio position was Technical Supervisor on Superman Returns). One is to be shot in August, and one in November.

It is still very early days, but the one that is slated to shoot in August is from a fairly big Aussie director. Our camera (#1084) is not scheduled for delivery until early October, so that will rule it out of the first shoot. We would also need 2 cameras for that shoot, as there will be a second unit, and a B-cam when only main unit is shooting.

So my question is, is anybody that is lowish on the res list, interested in having a talk about possibly supplying their rig for this ? The timing is tight, obviously because we don't have a relaible schedule for delivery yet, and have no way to start work on a workflow for a little while at least, but I will need to start bringing resources together soon if I'm to convince them to go Red (They walked out of our last meeting where I screened them the milkgirls footage, saying "if only the camera was going to be here in time) :ninja:

Seth.

Seth,

I'm pretty sure my balls would be on a stick if I sent one of the first Red cameras in the Southern Hemisphere to Australia for a job!

Catch up with JB at Lemac. His first 2 cameras are low res numbers from memory and Mike from FX is number 22.

With your experience we would all be very interested in your feedback during your shoot, given you would be one of the few to be able to give an honest appraisal against a Genesis shot feature.

[Seth Larney]

Thanks Rocketeer,

I've known about Lemac for a while, I'll go over and have a chat to JB as well. I'll definetally stay in touch with everybody here as I'm very interested in developing a bit of a family with fellow innovators. As we all know, our industry is very small, we have to stick together !

Cheers,
Seth.
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[david farland]

Good to hear from you Seth,

TO ALL AUSTRALIASIAN USERS......particularly those KIWI's...

I know everybody has been threatening to do something for the last couple of months regards setting up a local user group.

I feel we should discuss/agree what type of structure everyone wants the user group to have, what it does and what people want out of it.

So we can move forward and actually get some of the things we want done.

Comments?

[Seth Larney]

Hey David,

I just noticed you are like 10 mins drive from me :)

Lets get some input from the guys here .. What does everyone think ?

If no one has any objections - I will host the Australasian user website.

What would everybody like to see in a user group ?
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[ChristopherKenworthy]

Perhaps we should organise a Perth get together, for those interested in RED?

Good idea. Or we can all fly to Sydney if need be - we're used to that. Seriously, though, a Perth get-together would be good. My Red won't be here until October. It would be good to meet other users before then.

[Terry Delahunt]

Good idea... a Perth get-together would be good.

Hi Christopher. Yes, we must set something up..anyone else interested???

[Terry Delahunt]

I'm very interested in developing a bit of a family with fellow innovators. As we all know, our industry is very small, we have to stick together

So right Seth. Let us know how you go.

Sounds like you and David will get the ball rolling.

[david farland]

Terry,
I like your suggestion about indemnifying users under an assoc. umbrella as it's free and simple to set up.

Anyone interested in group Skype?

[Cail Young]

Terry,
I like your suggestion about indemnifying users under an assoc. umbrella as it's free and simple to set up.

Anyone interested in group Skype?

Sure. I'm 'cailyoung' - just mention reduser in the auth request!

[M Olsen]

TO ALL AUSTRALIASIAN USERS......particularly those KIWI's...

[FONT=Verdana]I know everybody has been threatening to do something for the last couple of months regards setting up a local user group.

I feel we should discuss/agree what type of structure everyone wants the user group to have, what it does and what people want out of it.

So we can move forward and actually get some of the things we want done.

Comments?

David, count me in, I will just go with the flow on set up etc

[Bachman]

Good idea. Or we can all fly to Sydney if need be - we're used to that. Seriously, though, a Perth get-together would be good. My Red won't be here until October. It would be good to meet other users before then.

Sounds like a great idea guys. Keep me posted. We ordered our RED last week. Still waiting for our place in the que but wouldnt expect it till early 08. :-(

Tony
www.westmedia.com.au
tony@westmedia.com.au

[david farland]

Anybody up for a 'meet & greet' tele conference this weekend?

I just had a call with Terry over Skype, and it's great!
Download the free software, make sure you have speakers and a $5 mike. Calls to other Skype members are free.

I understand Skype can have a 9 way conference call with online members and can also include external telephone numbers.
I'm sure we can try and have a civilised free for all over the phone line...maybe a little round robin talk/intros/opinions.

Another thing is I gonna send around an email to all who've contacted me at 'david@farland.com' so you can put in the contacts details you wish to share and the details you don't. i.e. name, telephone number,city, email, skype etc.

Cheers,

ps: don't mind being the office temp for a 'little' while.....note little!

[hoko]

David,
Great you are setting up com for Red. I've been based in London for the past 20 years but am making the move back to Sydney this year. I'm a director/cameraman working strictly in documentary. I've ordered a RED and expecting end of 2007. I'll be doing a prelim shoot in Indonesia on a science film in June for 2 weeks. If anyone is up for renting it would be great to test it. I have my Canon Super 16mm lenses from my Aaton kits so would be shooting 2K. Look forward to meeting people if that's possible when I get out there late May.
Best to all,
Chris Hooke (chris@periscopefilms.com)
PS any Red users in desperate need of accomodation in North London June through to August give me a buzz on e-mail

[Mike Seymour]

Hi

I am clearly in for any local user group. This weekend is out for me - i have a 4 day Viper shoot. But next week is good.

We have offices at Crows Nest - if anyone needs a meeting space in Sydney.

thanks

Mike

[Mike Seymour]

Hey guys,

I am currently in negotiations to develop and implement fully digital workflows (hopefully with the Red) for 2 up and coming feature productions (My last studio position was Technical Supervisor on Superman Returns). One is to be shot in August, and one in November.

It is still very early days, but the one that is slated to shoot in August is from a fairly big Aussie director. Our camera (#1084) is not scheduled for delivery until early October, so that will rule it out of the first shoot. We would also need 2 cameras for that shoot, as there will be a second unit, and a B-cam when only main unit is shooting.

So my question is, is anybody that is lowish on the res list, interested in having a talk about possibly supplying their rig for this ? The timing is tight, obviously because we don't have a relaible schedule for delivery yet, and have no way to start work on a workflow for a little while at least, but I will need to start bringing resources together soon if I'm to convince them to go Red (They walked out of our last meeting where I screened them the milkgirls footage, saying "if only the camera was going to be here in time) :ninja:

Seth.


Sorry about being late getting back to you...
Yes we'd be interested in talking...
We expect our RED may/June (30 days after the first "beta" early adopter set).
email me off list if you like mikes@fxguide.com

Mike

[Seth Larney]

Hey Mike,

Sounds great mate, thanks for being in touch. I'll shoot you an email ..
S.

[Scott Webster]

From the latest upgrade announcement I'm betting at least 4 weeks on the existing schedule. Makes it tight for SMPTE.

[david farland]

Most of you have already seen the message regarding an email list of people interested in australiasian Red user group ….about 2 dozen of you.
But for whatever reason apologies if you I haven’t contacted you via pm or email!

If you haven't the email list comprises of name, city, email, telephone, reduser id, skype id, other details and will be sentout on a regular basis to all on it...until we come up with a better option.....

Note: Only add what details you're happy to release to other members.

So if you haven’t and want to please forward me with details you wish to include.


Also a user group name sounds a good start!

RED-ANZ
ANZ-RUG
RUG-ANZ
ARUG
COLOR CLUB

Any suggestions......please?

Cheers,

Dave

[Seth Larney]

David, count me on the email list, I'll send you my details.

Shall we make the user group name the same as the website name .. ?

REDAUS (for Australiasian ?)

Umm..

[Jess Charlton]

REDEANZ (Red Experts Australia NZ)

ANZRUA (Australia NZ Red Users Association)

[David Limpus]

DURUG (Down Under Red User Group) pronounced DRUG, it is just this project has become a little addictive.

[david farland]

:waaa: Ha ha...Djtech!!

[Seth Larney]

Or you could just spell it like this :

Downunder Red User Group - DRUG

:)

[Bachman]

Or you could actually spell it like this :

Downunder Red User Group - DRUG

:)

Excellent!

[Seth Larney]

I do really like REDAUS ...eg. www.redaus.net .. just because it's easy to spell.
Might look too much like 'Australia' than 'Australasia' though ? I guess if we have a aus user website it doesn't have to have the same name as the user group ? um..

[Bachman]

I do really like REDAUS ...eg. www.redaus.net .. just because it's easy to spell.
Might look too much like 'Australia' than 'Australasia' though ? I guess if we have a aus user website it doesn't have to have the same name as the user group ? um..

No it sounds like it's just for Aussies

[Scott Webster]

Or you could just spell it like this :

Downunder Red User Group - DRUG

:)

I can see the T-Shirt now: "I'm on DRUGs"

And the 'Others' response: "Just Say No to DRUGs"

Brilliant :biggrin:

[David Limpus]

The other choice instead of Australiasian is to use Oceania to cover the same regional area.

[david farland]

.... if the group of red oceanic guys / and girls split from the downunder red users group, we can have a GROG & DRUG night......hey I'm just trying to help!

[Seth Larney]

No it sounds like it's just for Aussies

Agreed ..

REDPACIFIC ?

[Seth Larney]

David, great to talk to you on the phone today. I think we covered some good points.

All, (As has been mentioned) I am interested in setting up an Australiasian/Oceanic/Pacific Red User web board for all of us "down under". I'd like to know what you all think would be useful/desirable in a web board. The way I see it, we can use a community to organise and share information not only about Red's technical details, but also about things that are relevant to us as a community. Ie, local events, user Footage/Films, Seminars, employment, anything else ..

I'd like to start it off by collating (hopefully with some help), some of the more important technical information from RedUser.net (With Jarred's permission of course), in order to get together a bit of a cente of knowledge that we can build on. I feel like a format similar to RedUser.net's own (vBulletin), would be an appropriate way to start. Of course, RedUser.net will always be the first port of call for all of us re: news and a wider scope forum, but what I'm suggesting would be something aimed at our local community user needs.

I'd love to know what you all think of this, I feel that something along those lines could benifit us all. Please feel free to add ideas, requests, etc. Or to just let me know if you think it's a good idea or not.

Also, keep coming with the User Group names.. We can use this for both the User Group, and the Web board..

My pick so far is REDPACIFIC .. eg, www.redpacific.net

Cheers,
Seth.

[Bachman]

The other choice instead of Australiasian is to use Oceania to cover the same regional area.

Oceania is fine but we cant use Pacific because it excludes us tax payers on the West Coast. Maybe we are the RED Indians

[Terry Delahunt]

Australiasian Digital Cinema - A RED user group ?

[Seth Larney]

Australiasian Digital Cinema - A RED user group ?

Hey, I like it !

hmm, WWW.ADC.NET is taken..

[Terry Delahunt]

Hey, I like it !

hmm, WWW.ADC.NET is taken..

then maybe

WWW.ADCRUG.NET.AU

[RaiFong]

how was the screening? was it a one off event or is it left in place? wonder if you hear anything on HD theatre development downunder

[Alister Robbie]

.... if the group of red oceanic guys / and girls split from the downunder red users group, we can have a GROG & DRUG night......hey I'm just trying to help!

wow. I step away from the forum for a couple of days and look what happens! :glare:

very cool. the DRUG idea is actually quite cool.

nice one DJTech!

[david farland]

Mike,
I was looking for your reference about starting up a workflow issues site. anymore on that?
It sounds a great idea. I've got lots to discuss....question really, around that, not so much from a problematic perspective but from a choices in workflow and looking at where the quality hits are.
I was a bit surprised when this guy posted a simple request here (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2100) and there was so much conjecture or how to output from red to dvpro50.

Also very much like Rocketeer's site. On something completely different...I was thinking, but I guess it's too hard (without a commercial or love perspective) of a daily summary of what's gone on, on the reduser forum.
You want people knocking down a door to your site, give 'um the up to date skinny of what's going on/revealed on reduser forum.

Whatever's done site wise by different folks, I'd love to see mirrors?...or links to these sites on the local red user site. Like a frame on home page with the title, summary etc going off to full information.

Also, Seth's talking about having a faq plus I'm assuming some overall explanations of redcamera and redcine workflow..dunno, on a user group site.

Hopefully with the blessing of group, a value add site will be created.
This as well as a bucket load of other things i.e. user name/assoc stuff etc are obviously all topics for us to discuss and agree.

Back to the more mundane...love lots of the name suggestions.
I guess we could give it a few more days/week and then vote. Thoughts?

On the user group site suggestions, in addition to stuff above I'd personally like to see:
password protected member contact list/ camera availability calendar(need to talk on this one???)
local 4K post services.
Other red workflow presentations/technical/ education information
RED accessory product summary
Events

As Rocketeer mentioned it'll be interesting to see if Australasian distributer/service agent is appointed for region.
However where as I expect a lot of overlap, that will be from a red corporate down, where the user group is back other way.

Back to that name....

Dave,


ps: and I'm aware we missed our group telephone hookup...next week?

[rodrigo@honeypictures.com]

Don't know whose interested ( i am) in starting a local Red thread with view to sharing local info, resources, bit of networking, helping out in emergencies, or just say hi once every 6 months.

DF
very interested in joining a community of aussie red owners and users... to be able to help each other out

[Scott Webster]

Thanks David, I started the blog as a repository for Red info after I could never find the details of a post I had read. I wanted somewhere central I could refer to. The wheels have come off after spending 10 days in the States and offline.
The noise to signal ratio on this site has increased dramatically making it harder to find the gold. And more often than not you find yourself posting "Yeah what Mike Curtis said" :)

On Wednesday at NAB I spoke to Stuart English about international support and the only option (at that stage) he could offer up was returning gear to the States.

If they do apoint agents how much access will they be given to the camera?
Will local servicing be viable? What degree of access will technicians be given to the Red? Will agents just be given spare bodies, VF and LCD as swap outs?
Will they have to buy them?

But to put it in perspective, we carry 2 Sony F900R's. Sony NZ don't carry a body in case we have a fault. I have to cross hire from another rental company (good week the 2nd camera is working too!). The Sony warranty won't cover that cost. But...I do have access to the Sony Engineer...but parts will more than likely come out of Hong Kong(our support hub now) or Japan. 2-5 days freight max. Let's be optimistic and say 5 days to diagnose the fault, get parts and repair. The cross hire has cost me 10k. Ouch.

Any Red return to the states is going to be 10 days minimum. The upside is the cross hire won't cost you your first born.

For us and other international owners it is important we are given some indication of what will be in place for support while the camera is under warranty (which I don't think Red have indicated a length of time for warranty)

[Jess Charlton]

Let’s not lose momentum in this user group.

Here’s a summary of the suggested names so far:

REDANZ
ANZRUG
RUGANZ
ARUG
COLOR CLUB
REDAUS
REDEANZ
ANZRUA
DURUG (Down Under Red User Group)
DRUG (Downunder Red User Group)
REDPACIFIC
RED Indians - REDINDIANZ - REDINDEANZ
ADCRUG (Australiasian Digital Cinema - A RED user group)

Any more suggestions before we vote?

[Jess Charlton]

Rocketeer,
I'm curious to know, will the Wellington branch of Rocket Rentals be offering Red hire in the near future?

[Mike Seymour]

Sorry I have been on a viper shoot...
I love DRUG but I fear Spam filters will stop any emails so

PacificRED or

ANZRUG sounds direct?

mike

[david farland]

Red Oceanic Cinema

Red Oceanic Group


The name should also describe our goals and pursuits as a group.
….er, okay the above doesn't really….but ‘user group’ strikes me as a bit limiting and lame.

Dave,

[Terry Delahunt]

REDADC:help: - Red Australiasian Digital Cinema

[Seth Larney]

Red Oceanic Cinema

Red Oceanic Group


The name should also describe our goals and pursuits as a group.
….er, okay the above doesn't really….but ‘user group’ strikes me as a bit limiting and lame.

Dave,

I agree,

I've set up the web server (with a temp domain name) and installed vBulletin (same software as reduser). The server is online, and I've created a temp skin etc. It's all waiting for a proper domain name, and some ideas.

This is what I'd like to see happen here (purely self orientated goals). I've said most of this before, I just want to list it all here so that everyone is clear on what I'd like to offer/see from this endeavour..

I'm up for hosting the website/forum, and I'd like it to be a place that all of us down under folk can go to to collate and talk all things Red. BUT I'm also interested in not limiting it to Red only. Digital Cinema yes, but I don't see why we should limit ourselves to only listing Red news. I see it more as a DVXuser downunder, with a bit of HDforindies thrown in in the way of collated articles and info that is easy to trawl thru, rather than only 50+ page threads which take hours to read. For instance, I am in negotiations to Post Supervise (posssibly) on an Australian feature, and if we can't get the RED in time, then the second choice is the Viper, In which case I'd be interested in sharing info in Viper workflows etc.

In this vein, I'd prefer the name to have 'Digital Cinema' in it, rather than Red. Of course Red will be the main focus anyway, this approach just leaves us with the most amount of options in the future.

Now, I don't know if the website name *needs* to be the same as the User group name. i.e If for instance we call the website "Oceanic Digital Cinema" (My current favourite), then we can still have section on the board named "Oceanic Red User Group" or what have you.. (this is just an option, I would like to know what everyone would want from the board in terms of content.)

So, I just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page here.

My main preference for choosing a name for the actual site (as opposed to the group), is that it is not limiting, it's descriptive, and that the actual domain is available.

eg :

I like "Oceanic Digital Cinema", but "odcinema.net" is taken.
I like "Digital Cinema Oceanic", (although not as much) but "digitalco.net" is taken. (edit: digitalco.net is NOT taken, the .com is)
"odcforum.net" is available .. but I don't really like the word forum in the url (again, limiting)

Let me know what you all think.
Seth.

[Bachman]

Id prefer RED users only thanks. Otherwise it will be just another DV users group

We had a meeting with 3 REDs in Perth on Friday. Hopefully we will be swapping info, ideas and possibly gear once our REDs arrive.

[Terry Delahunt]

www.odcnetwork.org
&
www.odcnetwork.net.au

are available.

Perhaps under one of these, we could even explore financing & distribution options etc?

What do you think?

I think Seth's idea of keeping it as open as possible, is good.
Reduser.net will always be first point of call! But for local issues this would be good.

[Seth Larney]

Glad you agree Terry. I don't think it will become anything like dvxuser. What we're after is something that serves our needs as a local community. I don't see why we should limit ourselves in any way. The important factor here for me is "local"..

As I said, I will be pushing the RED hard. I am also more interested in talking RED shop than anything else, but, there will be projects that we will all be involved in that are not RED related, in which case it would be good to have the option.

odcnetwork .. not bad, shame the .net is not avail.

Financing and distribution options, excellent idea ! .. A perfect example of something we should be able to discuss.

Keep em coming ! Ideas, name suggestion s (website AND usergroup), comments ..

[david farland]

ORG - Oceanic Red Group

[Daniel Walding]

adcinema.net

- Australasian Digital Cinema

[RobRoySyd]

David and anyone else in Sydney who wants to hire their kit out or needs access to extra / backups cams:

I'd suggest talking to the Camera Collective, 4 doors up from Lemac. They have the infastructure already in place to handle this kind deal I think and already ship cameras and kit all around the Pacific region. You should find them rather RED aware.

[Shane Betts]

Any Melbourne DoP's with a Red on order?

I have screenplays (LA comp finalist x3) ready to go and some links to financing and can't wait to join this revolution. Having worked at Blackmagic Design I'm already a beret-wearing revolutionary - let's go!

Cheers
Bettsy

[Bachman]

Any Melbourne DoP's with a Red on order?

I have screenplays (LA comp finalist x3) ready to go and some links to financing and can't wait to join this revolution. Having worked at Blackmagic Design I'm already a beret-wearing revolutionary - let's go!

Cheers
Bettsy

Shame your not in Perth Bettsy

[Seth Larney]

Sorry Bettsy, we're in Sydney.

[Cam Crowley]

Bettsy

Got one coming to Melbourne but I don't expect delivery until Sept/Oct. Also have access to another (roughly the same delivery time) if you need A-B setups. If this fits in with your timeframe, PM me and we'll chat.

Cheers

Cam

[WesG]

Any Melbourne DoP's with a Red on order?

I have screenplays (LA comp finalist x3) ready to go and some links to financing and can't wait to join this revolution. Having worked at Blackmagic Design I'm already a beret-wearing revolutionary - let's go!

Cheers
Bettsy

Order no: 179 here Bettsy in Melbourne. You can PM me if you like.


cheers
nalu

[Tim Schumann]

I'll definetally stay in touch with everybody here as I'm very interested in developing a bit of a family with fellow innovators. As we all know, our industry is very small, we have to stick together !

Hi all... same here...

I work in Post at Lemac and we are down for 2 of the early ones (I'm not 100% sure what order number we have) and will certainly be keeping in touch on here in relation to the Red workflow etc.

-Tim

www.lemac.com.au

[Cail Young]

Nice to finally hear from you, Tim :)

Shoot David Farland an email and hop on the as-yet unnamed users group contact list, it'd be good to have you on board, I think.

[Tim Schumann]

already have done. ;)

[Matt Redmond]

Hi all... same here...

I work in Post at Lemac and we are down for 2 of the early ones (I'm not 100% sure what order number we have) and will certainly be keeping in touch on here in relation to the Red workflow etc.

-Tim

www.lemac.com.au

I think you're 62 and 63 :wink:

[david farland]

All,
Went to the ACS (Aust. Cinematographers Society) demonstration night at AFTRS (AustralianFilm & TelevisionSchool) last night (Friday). As you may know it was the SMPTE 07 conference in Sydney last week and Apple had brought out Ted Schilowitz (Red Ted).

Quite a few people turned up early. Unfortunately name tags had only ‘guest’ so missed out in meeting some local Red enthusiasts. Be great to know who else where there, Anyone?
Went into the hall and sat down with a non-working version of the Red camera/18-50 lens sitting on the stage.

David Wakeley opened the night mentioning the agenda would be: 1. Red camera & 2. Red workflow.
He then thanked Alan Butterfield – AFTRS (projectionist), Mike Seymore (fxguide) & Ray Calford (Sony Tech).
The room sits about 220 and if all the people standing, sat down, I say it would have been filled.
Ted asked how may have got a Red on order – and about 1/3 of room puts their hands up.
He started by saying the Mysterium sensor is key to all and they have a special sensor team and have their own intellectual property rights on the sensor.
“The camera is very much like a digital still camera that happens to shoot motion pictures.”
Their logic to build the sensor was the same approach you would have in building a digital still sensor.
He went on discuss the basic sensor specifications i.e. S35, 12meg etc. Then talked about the progress of how digital still camera have overtaken film still cameras and started on specifications: Dynamic range of 11 stops. Rated at 250 ASA at the no noise floor, 1-60fps @ 4K, 1-120fps @ 2K windowed, weight 9lbs, i/o posts etc.

In the near future Red expects to eclipse the DR of some film stocks.

He showed various stills of Red including the latest ‘Bad Ass’ photo still.
He talked about Red also have optics division which are producing: 18-50mm T3, Full set of primes,300mm telephoto, 50-150mm lens. Went on to discuss frame rates/files sizes of uncompressed/raw file sizes and Redcode wavelet based compression. Then recording media – hard drive/ express & compact flash media.

Mentioned Red went to Apple and asked if they’d collaborate with Red with a post production solution. Discussed Red native ingest & ProRes 4:2:2 (for HD) and also mentioned that Assimilate had a hand in helping Red develop RedCine. He also gave a demo of RedCine.
He said a special version of FCP, which will recognize the Red camera footage in a couple of months.

Okay, as an introduction to ‘Crossing the line’ he talked about how Peter Jackson came to make the short……
About 7 months ago Ted got a phone call from PJ who said he didn’t want anything special but if you needed help testing, then Peter would be available, no strings attached.
Peter said he was gonna be in LA in a few weeks and if Red could set up a screening for him and his team, that’ll be great.. They showed footage from Frankie(?) of Redcine compressed and uncompressed images, PJ & his team all guessed wrong to what was the compressed version and what was uncompressed.
Moving on, about a month before NAB 07, Red asked PJ if they’d like to shoot some test footage for Red. PJ said if they came to NZ he’d be happy to shoot some test footage. Jim & co then went with their 2 prototypes to Wellington, NZ.

He mentioned Red went to Apple and asked if they’d collaborate with Red in post production. Discussed Red native ingest & ProRes 4:2:2 (for HD) and also mentioned Assimilate had a hand in helping Red develop RedCine. Gave a little demo of RedCine. Mentioned that special version of FCP, which will recognize the Red camera/footage will be out in a couple of months.

They then showed the footage of ‘Crossing the Line’. The footage was ProRes2K playing off a Mac with FCP. Look nice, clean, warmish.
The movie was shot in 2 days on 500MB, in the dirt, in the air with helicopter. He said the aerial footage was shot in a couple of hours, where normally it would take weeks……..where the 2 planes & helicopter would need to be lined up, you’d then shoot one film magazine, come down, reload and start again. He then went on to describe post production: editorial on FCP in 2 days, sound in 2 days, finished in 2 days on 4K Pablo. The footage was 2K playing off a Mac with FCP. Mike Seymour talked of online Red training and introduced Lucas Wilson. Lucas talked about Scratch and its native Red support. He gave a good/funny PowerPoint presentation showing traditional off/online workflow and then showed a Red/Assimilate easy workflow. He then gave short walk-through of 3 workflows.
One using FCP/Color, one using Scratch and typical on/offline/dpx process and another using native Redcode in FCP, Redcine, Scratch. Scratch looked very easy, fast and intuitive. He mentioned Scratch renders 4K @10 frame/sec. The room was opened up for questions while Scratch demonstration was setup.

Pause:

I’ll post Part 2 (question & answers time) when I get back tonight. (Oz time).

Real sorry not to have it all in one post but 5 young kids are just waiting to see the Transformer movie up the road...Bondi Junction.

Cheers,
David

[M Taylor]

Hey David,
Thanks a lot for the detailed post/s. Good to meet you last night.

[Terry Delahunt]

Thanks for the update David, much appreciated!! Looking forward to Part 2

[mdo]

Thanks for taking the time to bring us up to speed with the first half. Much appreciated!

[david farland]

We trashed the Transformer theatre with popcorn.

Now, back to Part 2.

The room was open for questions to Ted while the Lucas etc setup the Scratch demonstration.

Q1. How noisy is the camera? About ~20db. When the camera is in standby the fans will stay on. When you hit record, the fans stop. If the camera gets too hot, it will turn the fans slowly on during takes. It also has a band pass filter for fan noise.

Q2. How do you clean the sensor? Sensor is covered by low pass filter. Could see dirt on LPF in ‘Crossing the Line’. Use special photography swabs/cleaning kits (freely available) on low pass filter.

Q3. What will be the lead time on ordering camera in the future? Ted started with reservation process. Start shipping in late August 07. Try to deliver 1500 camera in 9 mths. If you order now, the lead time will be about 9/10 mths. He said that now was a good time to order because there will probably be an ordering surge once the camera starts shipping.

Q4. Service centre plans? Ted: There will be service places to go in roughly same time zone. Though in the beginning everything it will be back to depot. An advantage is, Red can find out directly what the early issues are.

Q5. Have you seen film outs of Red footage? Ted said he goes to Park Road, Wellington NZ tomorrow to see regraded footage. Peter Jackson has re-graded ‘Crossing the Line’ and says the film out looks excellent. They have done a film out which Ted will see in the next couple of days. Did a screening at EGA in LA with Mark Neveldine?, director of ‘Crank’. Looked at some film out test footage they shot. Ted's impression of the test footage was it was locked, pristine, cool, digital technology. They then looked at a 35mm film out of the footage and thought it looked old school. Looked at a ProRes and were also impressed. Falloff is very film like.

Lucas then talked about Redcine. RedCine has 4 views on LHS: project, shot, color & output.
Project: Library has a directory structure of scene & takes where you can scrub through. Timeline along the bottom lets you see you different takes.
Shot: Metadata appears in separate window.
Color: Pick a white balance, exposures, color. Anything you do in Redcine can be saved and ported to camera. Everything you do in the camera will be sent to Redcine as metadata. Lives as non-destructive data. Talked of cumbersome LUT work and how RedCine was so much better.
Output: Can downrez to a dozen resolutions.

Lucas then gave a demo of Scratch playing native Redcode. It had shapes, power windows, curves, tracking etc.

Audience then asked more questions.

Q6. What are the rendering times? Lucas: Taking NAB 07 Red compression rates, Scratch will render out 4K DPX files at 10fps and 1K DPX at faster than real-time.

Q7. Red audio? Ted: Its 4 channel 24bit. People are using camera like a typical film camera with separate audio. Not sure if the first camera will have audio enabled. If not it will be a firmware update.

Weight of camera? Weighs 9 lbs. Demo rig with 18-50 lens and basic production weighted ~20lbs.

Q8. What’s the camera’s reference color temp? Daylight balanced to 5000 Kelvin.

Then there was a little discussion on DCT/wavelet/mpeg codecs.

Q9. Is the camera upgradeable? Some parts i.e. sensor could be upgraded in future.

Q10. What is the Power drain of camera? 12volts /140WH battery. Will run the camera for approx 90mins. He haven’t seen an HMI etc flicker yet.

Q11. What is Red’s low light capacity? Did some test in the middle of night outside Red headquarters. Light meter was showing 0~0.6.They did a comparison with Arri/500 asa Vision stock. Vision was pretty grainy. Red had wonderful, usable images with very little noise.

Q12. Beside FCP, what other vendors have Red been collaborating with? No collaborations, but they are in discussions with very interested parties.

Q13. Redcine is windows & OSX.

Q14. Can anyone other than Dalsa make an uncompressed capture device? Ted: The Dalsa Codex capture box is just one of the ‘fridge’ capture solutions available. Anyone can get the specifications of the fibre port from Red and if they have the smarts, build their own capture box.

Q15. Who makes the lenses? Ted: We have partners. If you know optics and you know lenses, these were made in the England. Grin…….

The camera and discussions then moved into the foyer for 30mins.

Very nice talk.

Cheers,

[Adrian T.]

Q15. Who makes the lenses? Ted: We have partners. If you know optics and you know lenses, these were made in England. Grin…….

This leaves no doubt about it! :biggrin:

[david farland]

Hey David,
Thanks a lot for the detailed post/s. Good to meet you last night.

Nice to meet yourself....should hook up sometime.

Dave,

[Keith Alan Morris]

Paul Haggis is a badass. Yet another great writer/director interested...

[Casey Green]

Q7. Red audio? Ted: Its 4 channel 24bit. People are using camera like a typical film camera with separate audio. Not sure if the first camera will have audio enabled. If not it will be a firmware update.


Is that what Ted said? Possibly no audio in the first shipping Cameras?

Hopefully they can get it worked out. I know we sure would love to test the Audio at LART.

[Seth Larney]

Hey David, thanks for the great review of the night.

I was sitting just in front and left of you. Sorry I didn't get a chance to say hello. I've written my own review over at www.redanz.net as well. Wondering if you mind if I post a copy of yours over there as well ?

Cheers,
Seth.

[Scott Webster]

Thanks David and Seth for the great reports on the evening. 37 days to go...subject to change :wink:

[david farland]

No problems at all.

[Alister Robbie]

Thanks for the update David. Greatly appreciated.

I am spewing that I missed SMPTE. We have been head down in a job for the last few months, so nothing has been happening here.

Cant wait to see a RED in the flesh.

Cheers

Alister

[Russ McDonald]

This is a re-post that started on the insurance thread, no one check there for a while, but I still need answers if you could.

While I'm here I would like to get an idea on crew cost down there.

Since I have been pontificating elsewhere. Dave is getting 3000.00 a day US (that's all the bells and whistles, with bullet proof data management. So Dave don't show up with your camera, an EOS zoom lens, rubber bands, grip tape, a case of blank DVD's, and a one arm man who's just happens to be named Fallow Focus.)

I can get slave wages, because I'm American asshole producer, but since I was a slave once. I don't pay them. A happy crew is a fast crew. I want to know it all including what it cost to feed you free loaders. Do I actually have to have Vegemite. Please enlighten me, use Australian dollars when quoting.

••• Just for Dave •••
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[VJzoo]

Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster :P

I'm running an event in Perth in December called Byte Me! Festival. While it's no NAB, I do have some pretty cool speakers coming - eg EA, Weta Digital and Dreamworks, and keynote is Posie Graeme-Evans, EP of McLeod's Daughters. Even Severed Heads, if anyone else is AV-geeky and old enough to remember them. I have no money, but I've pulled a few strings to get the speakers and a venue (the Perth Town Hall).

I know an event this non-traditional and umm... well, you know.. organised by one person with no money... probably isn't the ideal place to demo Red in Oz. Although it sort of fits in with the 'rebel with a cause' image of Red, and your talk about networking the digital-content-development community is pretty much the reason I'm insane enough to be running this Festival in the first place.

So.. is anyone who will have a Red by 1st December willing to come and show it off at BM!F? I emailed Mike Seymour and Red Ted but haven't heard back yet. I'd love to knock the socks off the local Industry traditionalists who just don't seem to 'get' what the digital revolution is going to mean.

I won't have a 4k projector, but I'll have a great venue that can seat at least 250 people and it will be set up for screenings, panels etc. I prefer the Perth Town Hall to the Convention Centre anyways :P

Check out the website and let me know if you're interested. I'll be overseas on tour for most of Sept, but will be checking my email all the time. If any of you Perthites would like to meet up this week before I leave, that's do-able.

best, kat black =^..^=

http://ByteMe.net.au
~ a festival of digital creativity ~

[storyhaus]

Don't know whose interested ( i am) in starting a local Red thread with view to sharing local info, resources, bit of networking, helping out in emergencies, or just say hi once every 6 months.

DF

Hello fellow Aussie REDsters. Have also been a lurker for some time... definitely support the idea of a local thread. :biggrin:

[david farland]

Hiya Karl,
You up near Newcastle.Certainly a lot of things to discuss. You picking up any of the Red lenses. I think a lot of people are busy saving for all the accessories (& camera)
Dave

[storyhaus]

Hi Dave
Have only committed to the 18-50mm. Plan to hire the Prime Set for projects, for a while at least. As far as the other accessories, I'm hanging back, interested in what feedback (namely digital media options) comes through from the first batch of cameras now being used in the field. A set of primes would be grand.... Karl

[Cail Young]

A set of primes would be grand.... Karl

More like twenty grand AM I RIGHT?

Phew, what a long week. Country shoots don't suit me, I don't think. I'm sick of 16mm film. Bring on RED!

[Mike Seymour]

So we were filming in Sydney Yesterday - we will be filming again on Tuesday.

In a week or two it would be good to do a workshop so everyone who would like to see the camera can - and you can get a hands on look at shooting and image converting.

Can we agree on a time ? - I want to do it with the ACS .

Mike

[jimhare]

"In a week or two it would be good to do a workshop so everyone who would like to see the camera can"

Sounds like a great idea Mike! Just say where and when and I'm sure everyone will create the time to attend. I know I will.

Jim Hare
Sydney

[Terry Delahunt]

I'm running an event in Perth in December called Byte Me!

http://ByteMe.net.au
~ a festival of digital creativity ~

Hi, I've sent you a PM

Cheers,

[Alister Robbie]

hi all,

i have been out of the loop for the last few months on a big job, so have a bit of catching up to do. It is great to see that the cameras are finally out there in the wilderness and that people are getting their hands dirty with them.

out of interest, has anyone in Melbourne taken delivery of one yet?

Cheers

Alister

[Cail Young]

out of interest, has anyone in Melbourne taken delivery of one yet?

Cheers

Alister

We just got pushed back to Nov 30 on ours; Lemac will have theirs (mid 60s) very soon.

[Mike Seymour]

I have 22 in sydney and we will have it in Melbourne tomorrow - we have been filming quite a lot and it has all been going fairly well

Mike

[david farland]

Mike, pleased it going well for you ...you lucky bastard!!

[Alister Robbie]

We just got pushed back to Nov 30 on ours; Lemac will have theirs (mid 60s) very soon.

I will have to hassle Tim over at Lemac and find out when theirs arrives, and if they are having a play-day with it.


I have 22 in sydney and we will have it in Melbourne tomorrow - we have been filming quite a lot and it has all been going fairly well

Mike

Damn. I really should check on here a little more often. So Mike, how are you finding the camera?

Cheers

Al

[Mike Seymour]

I will have to hassle Tim over at Lemac and find out when theirs arrives, and if they are having a play-day with it.



Damn. I really should check on here a little more often. So Mike, how are you finding the camera?

Cheers

Al


Play day is Monday... at Fox Studios - with Animal Logic and Panavision involved - we are shooting on the back lot and presenting material in the theatre.

Re finding the camera - we love it - and we love working with the RED crew- it is still a Beta camera in my personal opinion, as we dont have a view finder, but each week more features are enabled and the schedule is holding exactly as we had hoped... but it produces beautiful images and all the DOPs that work with us so far have agreed - as a tool it is a great new addition - as a post device it is a revolutionary new workflow.

Mike

[jimhare]

Play day is Monday... at Fox Studios - with Animal Logic and Panavision involved - we are shooting on the back lot and presenting material in the theatre.

Mike

Hey Mike,
Is Monday closed and guarded, or is there any chance of having a look?

Cheers,

Jim Hare
Sydney

[Mike Seymour]

Hey Mike,
Is Monday closed and guarded, or is there any chance of having a look?

Cheers,

Jim Hare
Sydney


No almost everything we do is open - but places are first come first serve...
email me at mikes@fxphd.com

and I will see if there are any spare seats.

Mike

[Alister Robbie]

Play day is Monday... at Fox Studios - with Animal Logic and Panavision involved - we are shooting on the back lot and presenting material in the theatre.

Re finding the camera - we love it - and we love working with the RED crew- it is still a Beta camera in my personal opinion, as we dont have a view finder, but each week more features are enabled and the schedule is holding exactly as we had hoped... but it produces beautiful images and all the DOPs that work with us so far have agreed - as a tool it is a great new addition - as a post device it is a revolutionary new workflow.

Mike

bugger. I am in Melb, and unfortunately, the RED is not high enough on our "to buy" list for me to justify getting my boss to send me to Sydney for the day.... oh well. with the Lemac ones arriving soon, I am sure I will get the opportunity to get my hands dirty in the not-too-distant future.

cheers

al

[Alister Robbie]

We just got pushed back to Nov 30 on ours; Lemac will have theirs (mid 60s) very soon.

mmm I was chatting with John from Lemac the other day at the Barry Green P2 event in Melbourne. I asked him about how his two cameras were going. His response on the Red was less than flattering. One of them has already gone back to the states for repair.

So, how are the other aussie RED's holding up?

[Luke Goddard]

Hey ANZRUG-gers,

Is anyone else going to the DMF at the Sydney Convention Centre this week? While I don't think a RED will be there, S*ny and all the other major camera vendors will be sporting their latest offerings.

You can get a free ticket by going to their website: http://www.digitalmedia.com.au/node/145

Let me know if anyone's interested in meeting up - My mobile is 0408 612 680 or email Luke.Goddard@three.com.au

- Luke

[Mike Seymour]

Hey ANZRUG-gers,

Is anyone else going to the DMF at the Sydney Convention Centre this week? While I don't think a RED will be there, S*ny and all the other major camera vendors will be sporting their latest offerings.

You can get a free ticket by going to their website: http://www.digitalmedia.com.au/node/145

Let me know if anyone's interested in meeting up - My mobile is 0408 612 680 or email Luke.Goddard@three.com.au

- Luke


I will be showing the RED #22 tomorrow - Wed - 10 am then there is a panel after at 11am.

Mike

[Mike Seymour]

mmm I was chatting with John from Lemac the other day at the Barry Green P2 event in Melbourne. I asked him about how his two cameras were going. His response on the Red was less than flattering. One of them has already gone back to the states for repair.

So, how are the other aussie RED's holding up?


I think you got John on the day he was having 16 different types of problems - it has been much better I just walked in the door from being on set of the Feature "Nothing Men" that has John's two cameras at the moment.

Our is working well (we never had the air filters !!!) and we are now renting ours - with a beta version of the working EVF. We have been testing our camera a lot and I think John was unlucky with some things...
But he reported most of those issues today himself at DMW during his talk.

Mike

PS
Just for the record we are working side by side with Lemac and our RED #22 will rent eventually through them.

[jimhare]

This is what I've been concerned about. Long time without it and very expensive to move it back and forth. Would be a downer to pay $800 in shipping and lose your camera for a month each time.

I'm hoping some kind of local support will be introduced. At least a certified repairer that stocks some parts.
We'll see.

[Mike Seymour]

This is what I've been concerned about. Long time without it and very expensive to move it back and forth. Would be a downer to pay $800 in shipping and lose your camera for a month each time.

I'm hoping some kind of local support will be introduced. At least a certified repairer that stocks some parts.
We'll see.

I am not sure what you are meaning? Losing a month ????

I know that John has 2 cameras here in operation - neither has been sent back to the USA and another is being SENT here to help them out.

I shipped mine back to the USA for one thing to be done and it was turned around in one day and FED ex back it took 7 calender days Sydney - LA - Sydney , which i was extremely happy about.

I am not sure what your point is ? Perhaps I am missing something - sorry?

Mike

[Cam Crowley]

I'm hoping some kind of local support will be introduced. At least a certified repairer that stocks some parts.
We'll see.

Was chatting to Lemac yesterday about RED. They seemed pretty happy with them and mentioned that they may become a certified service option for Australia.

[Scott Webster]

I can also back Mike up on this. We have turned around our camera in 7 days (full week) Auckland to Orange County, to Auckland. Jim has talked about establishing a support centre in Singapore, but whether it be in Singapore or Sydney I would be still looking at a 5 working day turn around.

The support cost of maintaining your Red should be factored into your rental rate.

[Scott Webster]

Was chatting to Lemac yesterday about RED. They seemed pretty happy with them and mentioned that they may become a certified service option for Australia.

That would be a good outcome for both New Zealand and Australian owners.

[jimhare]

I am not sure what you are meaning? Losing a month ????

I shipped mine back to the USA for one thing to be done and it was turned around in one day and FED ex back it took 7 calender days Sydney - LA - Sydney , which i was extremely happy about.


Mike

Okay, a month is certainly exaggerating, a week is a tremendous result. :)

Sorry Mike, I didn't mean to sound negative. I LOVE what RED are doing and am completely amazed by the level of service and commitment they have demonstrated.

It's just my experience as a little guy sending cameras and decks in for local repair, it's gone for a while. I would have thought this would be compounded with international travel, but as you say, it only adds a couple of days on each end. Would love to have an improved experience.

I'm also considering that when I get my camera, there will be over 2000 units out there and it would be great if RED can scale their service with the number of cameras.

But there is still the cost of moving the camera back and forth. I suppose if you were just shipping the body, no lenses or accessories, it wouldn't quite cost $800 for the roundtrip either. Just me exaggerating again. :)

It all comes down to a desire to have some level of local support.

Cheers,

Jim

[jimhare]

Was chatting to Lemac yesterday about RED. They seemed pretty happy with them and mentioned that they may become a certified service option for Australia.

That would be great!

[David R]

Hey Everyone
Been searching the net for a while and was glad to see that someone had setup this post (people tend to forget about this big little island)
I'm a melbourne based DP looking at a shooting a film clip for a big local hip hop act on the RED Camera. Any owner/operators out there in Vic who can share there experience? Has anyone hired the Cam that Lemac has?
My main concerns are workflow orientated at the moment. Can anyone share there workflow experience in Australia/Victoria? I'm looking at shooting at 2K Rez editing in FCP on a Dual G5 setup then Grading/Onlining on Scratch at Complete Post or similar.
Sorry bout all the questions but where shooting in a week and a half and I have to make a decision to go RED or DVCPro HD/P2.
Bit concerned about the "Bleeding Edge Technology" aspect of the RED Camera and don't want to get caught in the post workflow and have a client hanging while I break my brain trying workarounds.

Cheers

David R

[david farland]

David,
Where's I hope that local lads can help you I'd also check out.....

4K Workflow / Apple workflow thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

or for field experiences check out....Footage/ Field tests here:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=21

Cheers,

[Jason Sinclair]

I'd just like to thank Mike, Jimmy and cam#22 for the TVC shoot we shot yesterday. As far as I Know it is the first one shot in Australia with the intention for release (as opposed to tests). It was an amazing experience and the images... Well let's just say I am still trying to get my breath back. As Toby Oliver ACS said, "it's not 35mm and it's not video, it's an image of its own" Working with an experienced DOP who is willing to think out of the box helps.

Luckily the client knew that we were in experimental land and was understanding. As a producer I also had to have a backup plan. Obviously the workflow is pretty well different from anything else. I think me reading these boards for the last year has paid off. There's a lot more to learn and I will be very eager to do more shoots with this camera.

Anyone who thinks why shoot 4k to scale down standard def or HD really has to rethink their mental processes and get their head around it.

I'd like to thank a lot of people on these boards for sharing information and helping me come to grips with the tech. Particularly Mike and David. I'd also encourage any future owners or anyone interested in using this camera to do Mike's online course @ fxphd. It will save you grief.


Jason Sinclair
Supernova Films

[symscovington]

Australian feature film The Nothing Men just wrapped shooting on Red...
http://www.if.com.au/News/View.aspx?newsid=562

[symscovington]

I'd just like to thank Mike, Jimmy and cam#22 for the TVC shoot we shot yesterday. As far as I Know it is the first one shot in Australia with the intention for release (as opposed to tests). It was an amazing experience and the images... Well let's just say I am still trying to get my breath back. As Toby Oliver ACS said, "it's not 35mm and it's not video, it's an image of its own" Working with an experienced DOP who is willing to think out of the box helps.

Luckily the client knew that we were in experimental land and was understanding. As a producer I also had to have a backup plan. Obviously the workflow is pretty well different from anything else. I think me reading these boards for the last year has paid off. There's a lot more to learn and I will be very eager to do more shoots with this camera.

Anyone who thinks why shoot 4k to scale down standard def or HD really has to rethink their mental processes and get their head around it.

I'd like to thank a lot of people on these boards for sharing information and helping me come to grips with the tech. Particularly Mike and David. I'd also encourage any future owners or anyone interested in using this camera to do Mike's online course @ fxphd. It will save you grief.


Jason Sinclair
Supernova Films
Oh and also, Jason, I'd love to have a chat about that TVC you shot yesterday and even tee up an interview for the mag I work at, Inside Film, but your website contax seem to be down.

You can email me at sdebruyn@if.com.au, as can anyone really as (while I am still new to reporting on the film industry) I want to stay abreast of all things Red...figure this user forum is the best place to start.

[Jason Sinclair]

Oh and also, Jason, I'd love to have a chat about that TVC you shot yesterday and even tee up an interview for the mag I work at, Inside Film, but your website contax seem to be down.

You can email me at sdebruyn@if.com.au, as can anyone really as (while I am still new to reporting on the film industry) I want to stay abreast of all things Red...figure this user forum is the best place to start.

My email is: jason {a t } supernovafilms.com.au Look forward to speaking to you soon.

[Colin C]

Hi

To carry further Red in Aus/NZ has anyone heard any rumblings in the distance about a possible bootcamp in the area of the type being discussed here?


http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7007

With several cameras making the journey to the region in the near future I was wondering if people were interested?

[James Press]

Draegar, I'd be very keen (although I don't expect our cameras until mid year, given the delivery history...).

[Colin C]

Hi JimPress

Excellent. I'm in the same boat timewise, fingers crossed.
I'm wondering if previously established Oz RED get-together ideas couldn't be built on. I'd be assuming an Eastern States convergence point.

I'll get a thread going on REDANZ as well.

[James Press]

Good one Draegar. Unfortunately for you I'm guessing East Coast might be more viable/ have more interest. Having said that I've only been west once and it's bloody stunnning--man, I drool at footage you'll be able to get...

I'll stay turned.

[Ace]

Bout time this thread became sticky.. Aussie RED users unite!

[Wayne D]

sound slike a good idea - count me in

[Ash Bolland]

.....

[timwiseman]

Yes good idea, I'm thinking about buying a RED so the more people I know
the better in Australia. I'm in Sydney

[jimhare]

Hi Tim,

Welcome! You won't be sorry, there are a few of us in Sydney with cams and we're all sticking together.

Cheers,

Jim Hare
Sydney

[Dominik Muench]

Hi guys

my Red (Lucy) is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, that's another camera for south east qld. ( Goldcoast).

I just registered the domain www.redinaustralia.com

If there is enough interest, i could create a little list of red users in australia ???

[david farland]

hi Dominic,

Congratulations..!!

Dave,

[Jonas Rejman]

@BoyWithCamera

I would like to integrate that list into The Purgatory Magazine listing. Would that be something we could work on?

Whoever wants listing, send me a PM, or register at the page and post. I will review and put it online.

[Dominik Muench]

thanks david :)

jonas: sure count me in :)

[David Guest]

I'm in Melbourne - count me in.

[Joe D'Arcym]

I'm on the Gold Coast. (Red 3166) Count me in.

[Dominik Muench]

hey im on the goldcoast too :)

[Tim Bradley]

I would like to integrate that list into The Purgatory Magazine listing. Would that be something we could work on?

Whoever wants listing, send me a PM, or register at the page and post. I will review and put it online.

Hi Jonas count me in too

[david farland]

Merry Xmas to all the Red guys/girls out there!!!

[jimhare]

back at you David.

Thanks for a great year.

Big plans for next year. Can't wait!

Jim

[DIEGO ESTAY LILLO]

Hi, I am a young cinematographer, just finished filming my first feature, and currently moving to Sidney to work on film and as many audioVisual productions as possible. Would love to get to work with the Red One adn see it on the set doing its magic. Is there a store or production company in Sidney that works with Red One?

[Jason Sinclair]

There's actually quite a few of us. Your best bet is letting us know where your portfolio can be had.

[Darryl Wood]

I offer some RED stuff. I also deal in Element Technica gear and getting new stuff from other suppliers.

Anything you need? I have 2 MX 5K reds for hire and can offer free shipping for longer form jobs.

[john jeoung]

Hi Everyone
I am stranger here but just got RED ONE from the Lake Forest US.
I am playing with new toy all day long. It's really amazing to me and happy to know you guys. I expect that next user group meeting ! ( Do we have user group meeting?)


-------------------------------
www.mickle.com.au

[Stelios Kokotos]

I have a RED in Melbourne which is available for projects. Please add me to the Melbourne list.

Thanks.

[Glenn Cogan]

hi guys im poised to get into this scene with Epic hopefully this year (later half im hoping) and just booked everthing for NAB 2011. Anyone else heading accross?

[scott william]

not me man. i have a day job. post some stills though.

[jimhare]

I'll be there! Too good to miss this year.

[Kapil Vikash]

Hello all !
1.I have a wish to make feature films ,but no experience at all.

2.What ever research i have done , i think i will start with joing an editing school.


3.I will need a camera. Which Red do i Buy ?

4. What is the process ? ( after shooting my Film on Red to having it being
screened on the Cinema hall ) In the lowest cost possible.

5.Which Computer/s , Editing Softwares should i buy?

Your valuable responses will be highly appreciated.

[Jack Brandtman]

Great to see a strong ozzie thread

[Jack Brandtman]

Hello all !
1.I have a wish to make feature films ,but no experience at all.

2.What ever research i have done , i think i will start with joing an editing school.


3.I will need a camera. Which Red do i Buy ?

4. What is the process ? ( after shooting my Film on Red to having it being
screened on the Cinema hall ) In the lowest cost possible.

5.Which Computer/s , Editing Softwares should i buy?

Your valuable responses will be highly appreciated.


We would all love to make feature films one day. But it is a long journey, i suggest looking at schools to give you a basics in film. Look at tafe courses in film or film schools themselves.

Buying a camera (let alone a red) is a huge decision you will come to later in your journey. Courses will teach you filming basic, the production line and also hands on experience with a camera.

Getting a grounding and understanding the industry is an important step. Don't race in, make educated decisions.